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Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey?

New MessageAnyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) wambs
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Hi,

I'm planning on replacing the 32 Mbyte SDRAM by soldering on either 128 Mbyte or 256 Mbyte chips. There are four of them on the audrey. Has anyone tried to solder new SDRAM and if so, what were the results.

Thanks,
Kevin

03-23-2002 23:56:54

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) Vermifuge
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I don't have th link but somone tried and the audrey didn't boot.
03-24-2002 05:14:29

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) jhd3rd
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Here's the original thread.

http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=3Com_Audrey&Post=668&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

03-24-2002 06:58:50

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) wambs
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Great,

Thanks for finding that thread. I tried to but could not find it.

On that threads recommendation, I'm buying the ChipQuik Solder/De-solder rework kit. It's a bit expensive, but I don't want to mess up audrey's by the ton.


ChipQuik Complete SMD 2000 1 97.00
Solder/Desolder Rework
Kit (SMD 2000)

I got it from:
http://store.yahoo.com/webtronics/

03-24-2002 15:34:58

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) SafariJack
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I really should have written this up a long time ago, but there was this evil game named Lineage, and, well, you can imagine the rest... :) Unfortunately I can’t provide too many technical details or any pictures, since most of my stuff is packed up in another state, waiting to be moved.

Back in January I successfully replaced the 64Mb SDRAMs with 128Mb chips, which brings the addressable amount of memory in my Audrey (affectionately known as “Green Audrey”, unaffectionately know as “The ugly Audrey”) to 64 MB. Green Audrey had some trouble coming out of the surgery, but re-flashing with an image from my other Audrey brought her back to life, and as far as I can tell, she is fully operational.

I used 128Mb Micron chips, rated for 143MHz operation. This seems to be important, since my first try with 133MHz rated chips resulted in random hang-ups after a couple minutes of operation. Unfortunately Audrey didn’t recognize the extra 32 MB of memory; the command line memory used/free command (can’t remember it right now) still reported the original 30 MB (or was it 28 MB?) as the total. My personal theory is the QNX kernel was only configured to use the 32 MB that comes on the board, and is incapable of auto-detecting the additional memory.

The avenue that I wanted to pursue but haven’t had the time to check is the installed memory is a parameter stored in the configuration flash, and can possibly be changed, or it is a parameter in the IPL that could be tweaked and re-loaded. I have no experience with the QNX IPL, nor do I have much of an idea what is stored where in the configuration flash, but if somebody that actually has the QNX RTP installed can figure out where the kernel gets the installed RAM information, I may be able to work with them to get the extra memory recognized.

As for any questions about the solder job, I used a hot air rework station that I had access to. Anybody trying this method will want to worry about the SMT resistor arrays next to the SDRAM, they can come off easily with too much air, and they are a pain to get back on. In a previous attempt at replacing the memory, the person had good things to say about the ChipQuik package, but I’ve never used it myself.

04-12-2002 09:43:13

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) lars69
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As another idea, what about piggy backing additional chips on the existing ones? This should double the amount of memory. I am about to do this to my Tivo per the instructions on this site:

http://www.9thtee.com/tivomemory.htm

04-15-2002 14:03:35

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) jayklm
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I dont think it will matter. The audrey only adresses the first 32MB of memory. It requires hacking the image (i guess the boot loader. Since there is no bios in the machine, it seems to be hard coded in the image.

jay

04-15-2002 16:10:03

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) wambs
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OK,

I looked into two approaches with getting more memory into the Audrey, using DIMMs and removing the existing chips and replacing with them with larger ones.

Using DIMMs:
This approach would be very difficult, because I have found that the you can not simply solder wires/leads from the exiting oins/CPU to the DIMMs. They length of the wires/leads from the CPU to the DIMM is very important, because timing is very critial for memory.

Note, one reason why you can pop in many different memory DIMM configurations into a DIMM slot, is because the parameters or config data in located in an EEPROM on the DIMM memory board with the SDRAM chips. This includes CAS, RAS, and memory size among others. In the case of the Audrey, these settings are hard coded in the IPL and the memory controller is configured by the IPL code.

Replacing the memory chips:

Replacing the memmory chips with larger ones seems more promising. I will do this soon. However, I'm not sure we can get any larger than 64 MBytes total. Its seems that chips larger than this have a 8K refresh size which is not compatible with the 4K refresh of the Audrey. But, I'm not sure about this, so I'll have to try it after I do an Audrey with 64 Mbytes.

The IPL code in the Audrey tells the memory controller how much memory there is in the system. I do not believe this is set in QNX OS. There is a way to set different values in the memory controller registers, this includes the memory size. So, after IPL, the first thing I'll do is tell the memory controller that there are 64 Mbytes. But, this may be too late, because QNX may have already queried the memory size. So, I may have the use the solution SafariJack noted above.

I am also concerned about the amount/type of memory you can put on the Audrey. Because next to the memory chips, I believe are the Row and Column decoders. These chips are associated with the memory but I don't know how. Does anybody know? They are also present on DIMMs modules as well.

SafariJack,

You mention you used Micron memory chips. Do you have the part num by any chance? Have you tried larger memory sizes? Where's a good place to get memory chips? Most places don't sell by the chip, but by the DIMM.

Kevin

04-15-2002 20:40:51

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) wambs
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Jay,

I don't think you can change anything in the bootloader, because it probably has a check sum associted with it.

Kevin

04-15-2002 20:42:26

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) SafariJack
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I believe I used Micron part # MT48LC8M16A2-7E
(http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/128MSDRAM_E.pdf)

I think I ordered them from Avnet, they happened to have them in sub-frame (108) quantities, so I got 10, 4 for each of my 2 Audreys, plus 2 extras. I think I paid around $4.50/chip. Arrow also carries Micron memory, along with a couple other places (http://www.micron.com/sales/NADistlist.asp).

I just had a thought about booting Audrey, since we can run anything as root, we should be able to develop a module that will re-IPL the kernel with our own configuration, and run this after the initial bootup. In fact, you should be able to load anything,, a-la loadlin.

04-16-2002 13:14:16

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) wambs
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Hi,

I tried to order the micron chips from AVNET but they said that the lead time was 2-3 weeks and the cost was over $8 per chip. This is rather expensive. Especially since I have 7 audreys with 4 chips each. Ouch!! Is there a cheaper source?

I also tried Arrow and a couple of other online distributers of micron memory. One had a price of more than $12 per chip, and the others had no listing of the chip. Has anyone got a good source for these chips or something compatiable?

Kevin W.

04-23-2002 20:15:35

New MessageRE:Anyone Tried to solder more SDRAM onto the Audrey? (modified 0 times) jukebox
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Has anybody ever considered adding a Disk on Chip? I've read a designated place for a socket is available. QNX support for this chip is available too.

jukebox


http://www.prins.net/audrey/index.html
04-24-2002 00:27:57

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