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Using powerline for audrey networking

New MessageAlmost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) balloonman
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After seeing all the heartaches over the wireless issues on Audrey, I decided to go a different route.

Siemens makes a powerline ethernet interface and I figured I would give them a try.

Plugged one into the wall near my router/hub and ran a cat5 cable from the hub to the powerline interface.

Went elsewhere in the house and plugged in a short extension cord (so you can plug the adurey power brick on one side and the powerline ethernet adapdter on the other.

Plugged a cat5 cable from powerline adapdter to Audrey's usb adapter and worked like a champ.

These are available many places, but buy.com has them for $40 bucks each. I had to place my order and wait (about 2 weeks) looks like they stay out of stock

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10336656&loc=101

05-22-2003 09:18:56

New MessageWireless Audrey - $40 (modified 0 times) brothersquid
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It's not quite a wireless card, but not much bigger, and about the same price.

I've been looking for wireless options for my Audrey since I got her. She's sitting in my kitchen,
and there is no easy way to get ethernet to where she is. I know that the WET-11 has been used to
link to an ethernet adapter, but I'm too cheap to pay $100.

I noticed that wireless routers are getting to be dirt cheap since 802.11a and g have come out,
so I picked one up from CompUSA for $25 figuring that if I could make it communicate with my existing
router, it'd be a cheap solution, and if I couldn't, I could just resell it for what I paid.

Note: With possibly some exceptions for routers that support other operating modes, you CANNOT
get two wireless routers to talk to each other over wireless. They will communicate just fine
when wired, but that's not the point, is it? A friend will be buying the router. He needed one anyway.

Now I know that I need an access point, but all the access points I've seen so far are $80+, which
is more than my cheap ass is willing to pay. Until... I found the Mitsumi wavit11 on sale at
overstock.com (and other places, but shipping's $2.95 at overstock).

Not only does this access point support four different operating modes, Ad-hoc, Infrastructure,
Access point and wireless bridge, it's also the smallest access point ever made (smaller than
a pack of cigarettes). The only downside is that it doesn't support web-based configuration.
You must have access to a computer with a wired 10baseT port, which is running Windows. If you
don't have one at home, one of your friends probably does. I used my wife's PC to configure it.

It took about 10 minutes (mostly because I had to go find my WEP key) to put in into infrastructure
mode and give it an unused IP in the same range as my router, but now the Audrey is connected!

Next step -- update Audrey's firmware w/o losing my wife's calendar or address book. I'm going to
start by backing it up to her Palm.

Happy networking!

BrotherSquid

09-12-2003 17:20:18

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) huggy_d1
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That looks like a great little widget, especially at liquidation pricing!

What is on the other end getting the Audrey WLAN connection back onto your wired LAN? I have a Linksys router that has 4/1 wired, and the wireless WLAN setup as well (up to 11mbps). Would this widget behave similarly to the WET11 (wireless bridge), or does it need a true access point? What little I read online indicated it _could_ act just like the WET11. To get my Audrey wireless, this seems like a wonderful solution to integrate into my WLAN.

Thanks for posting your great find.
huggy_d1

09-12-2003 21:14:58

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) brothersquid
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I have an SMC wireless router -- probably about the same as your Linksys, but different manufacturer.
09-13-2003 07:35:17

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) eban
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I currently have my Audrey hooked up via a Dlink DWL810+ Wireless Ethernet Bridge, which is wirelessly connected to my Dlink DWL614 Wireless Router. It works great! You can get the DWL810+ for around $60, check www.pricewatch.com under networking and do a search for the model number. I also know that a wireless access point with the correct configuration will work too, but I'm not sure which models will work (I know that dlink's models do work).
09-15-2003 13:07:02

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Fran
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I can vouch for the wavit11 - great little device and soooooo much cheaper than my previous purchase, the wet11. Very good documentation and went in without a hitch. It fits perfectly under the keyboard holder (double-sided tape) and gives Audrey a little purple antenna-tail
09-24-2003 22:56:05

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) lloverin
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Eban,

I have a D-Link DWL-900AP, trying to get it to work with my Audrey. What kind of settings (access point, etc) did you use? It seems that it accesses the nic for a few seconds after it boots, then there is no network.

10-05-2003 14:11:28

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Fran
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I never did get my 900AP to work - ultimately, I found out that it would only work in Bridge mode w/ another 900AP as the access point.
10-05-2003 20:49:53

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) lloverin
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Thanks, Fran. I really don't understand why it wouldn't work according to the documentation. I did get the 900 to get a DHCP address from the router, but nothing after that.

-Larry

10-06-2003 15:04:57

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) rechsm
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Ok, so to summarize, the Mitsumi Wavit11, the Linksys Wet11, and the Dlink dwl810+ all work as 802.11b bridges for the Audrey.

I'd be very interested to hear what other bridges or APs people have got working, or have confirmed won't work.

10-07-2003 12:55:52

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) eban
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Fran,

Tell me what your whole setup is for the network. From the cable/dsl modem to the audrey. You do realize that you can't just hook up your access point directly to the cable/dsl modem. I can also suggest Dlinks tech support. You may have to be on hold for a little while, but they seem to do a great job of figuring things out.

10-10-2003 14:03:47

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Fran
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eban -

I have an Orinoco access point connected to a Linksys router/switch. The router is in-turn connected to the DSL modem. What was always odd was that I could ping the 900AP from other machines on the wired side, AND ping it from the Audre connected to it, but I could never ping all the way down to the Audrey (or up from Audrey to the rest of the wired machines). After trying every configuration setting known to man, I spoke w/ Dlink technical support and they confirmed it would only work w/ another 900AP as the access point.

10-13-2003 08:39:20

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) eban
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Here is a picture of my wireless setup http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/eddiesocrazy
As mentions in the "Wallmount solved by Home Depot" thread.

Fran sorry to hear the access point doesn't work.

10-13-2003 17:09:34

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) rechsm
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Just a confirmation that I ordered the Mitsui WAVIT11, and am using it succesfully with my Audrey.

Unlike the previous poster, I had a lot of trouble getting the thing configured. The instructions that come with the unit are more or less useless. Here's what you need to do:

1) Install the included Mitsui software on your desktop
2) Connect the WAVIT11 to your desktop computer's ethernet card using the supplied straight-through ethernet cable. This is the one with the "S" collar on the cord. This won't work with a regular ethernet cable. If your computer is already on a network, you'll need to disconnect it in order to do this. Obviously.
3) Change your desktop PC's IP address to 192.168.0.2, the netmask to 255.255.255.0, and the default gateway to 192.168.0.1
4) Run the Mitsuit software. I don't have it in front of me so I can't provide step-by-step instructions. You want to put it in "Infrastructure mode" and you want to make sure that it sees your access point and displays its information on the appropriate tab.

You can email me at mrechs at contentproject dot com if you need help.

10-15-2003 13:23:20

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) huggy_d1
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rechsm and anyone else using the wavit11... you do indeed need to hook the widget directly to your pc during the initial configuration. You do not need to change your PCs IP Address though, but I'm guessing it might make it simpler. Instead, you can change the wavit11's IP address/gateway info/subnet mask in advance of completing the configuration. Per the docs, if you mess that step up, you gotta start all over and reset the device. To do so, attach the widget as rechsm says (directly -- it's right when you get link lights on both the computer and the wavit11). Fire up the wavit11 config software and have it search for wavit's. It will not find one unless your PCs subnet mask lets it find it. My settings did not, so I changed the IP address to suit my own tastes instead of using DHCP. When all done, please note that if you try to ping the device from anything other than the device(s) connected directly to it, you will not see it when it is used to bridge your audrey to your LAN.

I guess the short of it.. change the ip address before you configure the wavit11 and it'll go more smoothly and more predictable. Oh yeah, don't forget to configure your WEP settings so people can't hack into your WLAN by simply driving by. You can buy a widget that tells people a "hot spot" exists (saw it at Best Buy, Kensington makes it). No Netstumbler required.

huggy_d1

10-15-2003 22:22:29

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) volcguy
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I was able to use a DLink DWL-900AP+ together with DLink DI-614+. I put the 900AP+ in Wireless Client Mode and put in the MAC address of my DI-614 in the configuration settings of the 900AP+. It has been working for the past three weeks. But two days ago, I tinkered around my DI-614+ and added MAC filtering. Lo and behold my Audrey cannot connect to the internet anymore.

Now I am in debugging mode trying to figure out whether I messed anything else up. I have taken out the MAC filtering on my router, but the Audrey still refuses to connect to the internet. My next step is to reset the DI-614+ and the DWL-900AP+ to its factory settings. Hopefully I have not messed up the 3Com USB ethernet adaptor.

Also in trying to get Audrey connected again, I had to use the 'Enter the wrong password three times' method to reset the Audrey. Does this wipe out all the software updates? I don't have any data in the Audrey in the first place. I was just using it as a kitchen computer to access web pages. Now I need to go thru the software updates again since I do not have a flash image. My wife also misses the Audrey on her kitchen table

Lessons learned:

1.) DWL-900AP+ and DI-614+ can make the Audrey connect wirelessly.
2.) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

10-27-2003 13:27:21

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) jlund69
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Saw this thread last week... Found a wavit on ebay real cheap... got it... configured it... and now the Audrey I've been playing with next to my desktop in the basement and meaning to put in my Kitchen for two years is finally there.

Configured the wavit in infrastructure mode, connecting thru a D-Link DI-713P. Connected to the Audrey via a modified D-Link USB ethernet adapter. Only problem I had was that the Audrey has to be powered up and connected to the Wavit before you plug the Wavit in, or the link between the wavit and Audrey doesn't seem to work. I kept getting DHCP configuration failed, and the link lights would not go on. Probably going to mount this baby on the wall in the kitchen where we have a phone jack.

John

10-27-2003 22:04:02

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) ZubbY
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You make it sound so easy...HELP!

The setup:
DSL modem > DLink 614+ AP/Router > 2 Wired PC's, 1 Laptop, Audrey, Wavit11...

The Symptoms:
Everything that's wired works fine. Audrey even works fine when wired. Laptop works great via 802.11b.

When I connect the Wavit to a PC, and change it to Infrastructure mode, the link light goes out, the TX/RX light blinks rapidly, and it can't find the AP. The AP doesn't see the wavit at all either. I can ping the wavit from the PC, but nothing beyond the wavit.

I have confirmed that the wavit works in AP mode by connecting it to another network, changing the SSID & IP, and connecting to it with the laptop.

I've tried setting the SSID on the wavit to match the Dl-614+, I've checked and re-checked the channels, IP addresses, everything I can think of. I read somewhere that the MAC addresses need to be the same when in bridge mode, but does that apply to Infrastructure mode as well? And I can only change the last 6 digits of the MAC address anyway.

Does anyone out there have a wavit working with a 614+ ?

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!

11-21-2003 13:38:27

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Squintel
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The Siemans SpeedStream adaptors LOOK GREAT, BUT, the company just told me that network connections can only be made from inside the same electrical circuit. That is very limiting in a standard 2,000 sf home. Most people have at least 8 circuits. Too Bad.
12-09-2003 12:14:34

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) wzakaras
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First Off, I want to thank all you folks for helping
out on this project. You all have proviced a huge amount of info!!

I have an Audrey with the 3com ethernet adapter.
Us old guys refered to this as a dongle
I just purchased a Mitsumi Wavit11 from www.mitsumidirect.com for 49.00
I have a Belkin F5D6231-4 Wireless Cable/DSL Gateway Router in my system now
This is an 802.11b wireless router.
Has anyone had any issues with this configuration.
I haven't hooked it all up yet, but I'm looking for anyone who may have
experienced problems and can shed some light .
I plan on configuring the Wavit11 as posted in this thread
THanks
Wayne
wcz@exit109.com

12-12-2003 09:08:06

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) huggy_d1
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Only thing I can think of for my audrey with the wavit11 is that if for any reason the thing this wavit connects to goes off line, I have to cycle power on the wavit for it to work again. Maybe I did not configure it properly (gave it a static ip hoping this would get around that sort of thing). Anyhow, it boots fast enough so that isn't a real problem, except if I lose power to my whole house, the wavit boots so fast that my AP isn't ready and the wavit just sits there useless until I power cycle it, and it comes back fine.
12-13-2003 13:19:34

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) flamedog
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RE: the Siemens Speedstream powerline ethernet adaptors...

I have been using these adapters for quite a while in a number of different home and business settings. They WILL go through different circuits. What they will not do is go through a transformer--the thing that hangs on the pole out at the street. I can reliably connect from any outlet in my 4100+ sf home. I've also used in 80-year-old homes and had no problem with 4Mbps+ connections. Also, they WILL NOT go through any type of surge suppressor...you must plug directly into the wall or extension cord. Breaker box based surge suppressors will render your entire home/business unfit. (like the Leviton 51120 or PanamaxGPP8005)

02-08-2004 08:16:06

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) sundevil67
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I am hoping someone can please help me with this. I just got my Audrey upgraded at audreyupgrade.com, and they put a dlink wireless adapter on the back of it, and it is supposed to be able to access my existing wireless network, which consists only of an Airport base station and a cable modem. For some reason however, it works only about 1 out of 10 times I turn it on. I am not sure what to enter in the audrey's advanced internet settings, any ideas? I have spent a lot of time and money on this thing already, but it is worthless if I can't get it online. Thanks for any help!

Adam

11-13-2005 21:45:33

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) redbot
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well this way works, and it works well .. i dont want to steal any trade secrets here, but how does www.audreyupgrade.com do their wireless up grades??? do they use the same process ... is it internal or external? any one have pictures of an www.audreyupgrade.com wireless upgrade? thanks
04-11-2006 11:46:27

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) runlevel5
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I just got a D-Link DWL-G730AP Wireless Pocket Router/AP. It's between the size of a large matchbook and a mini Altoids tin, and can run off of USB power. I'll have to configure it with a PC first, but I'm hoping that it will let me set Audrey up without running ethernet to the kitchen.
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=346
Best of all, it was $15 after rebates from CompUSA
06-19-2006 09:55:21

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) runlevel5
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Success! I finally set up my audrey in the kitchen, and attached the D-Link DWL-G730AP to the 3COM ethernet adapter. The D-Link is powered by the other USB port in the audrey, so I only need 1 outlet for the whole thing.

One downside, I had to downgrde from WPA2(AES) to WPA(TKIP) encryption on my home wireless network. Maybe a newer version of the D-Link will let you run WPA2.

Setup was pretty simple, I attached the D-Link to a laptop and configured it thru the web interface. I set the Wireless settings, and set LAN to DHCP. (Setting it up with a static IP wasn't working with DHCP running on the AP) Overall, well worth the $15.

12-11-2006 15:49:07

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Audreee
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OK. I just bought an Audrey, finally. I have not received it yet, but I have a silly question, as a person who is not as techy as some of you are, at least in the hacking realm. Why can't I just buy a wireless G USB adapter and plug it into a USB port? Is it because it needs a driver to operate it and would it naturally slow down to wireless B if it would work at all? Or are some people just using regular ethernet? I know it's not as sexy, but I would like to get my email notifications in another room reliably. Would this somehow work with an Apple Airport Express base station or is that overkill?

I was thinking about getting my Mom an Audrey, too. She needs to receive email from 4 door away wirelessly. Do you think this would be a good idea for her? She is a light computer user.

Also, does anyone know if there are any recipe programs available for this "kitchen-like" internet appliance other than using contacts to hold recipes. Should I host recipes on a website and pull them up through the browser instead?

Any help would be appreciated. Have a great holiday if you don't respond before then.

12-15-2006 11:08:59

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) runlevel5
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You've got it exactly right. USB WiFi adapters require drivers to work, which are not on the audrey. I suppose a really talented hacker could find a USB adapter that works with QNX (the OS running on the Audrey) and hack the driver to work with Audrey without slowing it down too much. Nobody's managed to do this, though.

audreyupgrade.com have come up with a couple solutions, embedding the ethernet and wireless adapters inside the case. They're pricey, though.

If you're trying to run wireless across 4 houses, you'll probbaly want to use one of the newer Rangemax-type setups. You would need a Rangemax router or access point in the house with the internet connection, and another rangemax device in the house with the audrey. The second one should be set up in client mode, and connected via ethernet to the audrey's ethernet adapter.

12-19-2006 14:44:57

New MessageRE:Almost Wireless Audrey (modified 0 times) Audreee
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Thanks a bunch for the information about the Rangemax. I'm going to get my mother set up. This will be perfect for her. Just one more question. There are no compatibility issues or difficult setups with the client side (Audrey) of the setup? This will be a perfect and suprising convenience for her. I really do appreciate your help. Please have a wonderful holiday.
12-24-2006 22:30:59

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