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Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Now that I've discovered that Audrey's channel support is MUCH happier with some gratuitous linefeeds, I've too gotten a shell with a Marimba server. Benefits - This method doesn't require a difficult to obtain CF disk Downside - It takes setting up a Marimba server and a specially constructed Marimba update (which I'm still not completely sure on). For what will probably be today only (and definitely only until 3com sends me a cease&desist letter), I'm just putting a server up. If you set your DNS to 216.102.107.227 and force firmware update (the three-finger salute in another thread), you too can have a shell on your box. (I have to go to work, so I can't just add people manually). WARNING - I will log *EVERYTHING* that goes to my machine. NOTE that some updates from my server will leave the AUDREY sitting at the "Update successfully completed" screen because I don't have the Audrey-information logging thing setup (nor do I ever intend to). Once you've installed the update (it won't change your version string.. yet), the only thing you'll find different is that you can now use the URL: http://localhost/shell.shtml?pterm Thanks to Sowbug for the method, and the binaries (here's hoping you don't get upset at me leaking shellex). Enjoy. 08-08-2001 07:23:42

Working? (modified 0 times) rshah Profile Has anyone been able to get this update from scythic? I tried it and got an message "There was an error while checking for Audrey update" I changed the DNS and I am on the latest version Thanks Rajiv 08-08-2001 08:04:49

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Try again. At first my DNS-server thought it wasn't supposed to be providing information for 3com and marimba (foolish server). If it still doesn't work as of now, please email me at scythic (at) yahoo (dot) com. Tell me the result of running 'nslookup' on NT (or Linux, for that matter), doing 'server 216.102.107.227' followed by just '3com.marimba.net' I can only check remotely at the moment.. 08-08-2001 08:09:38

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sowbug Profile Nice work, scythic! I wish I had an Audrey here at work to try it! 08-08-2001 10:42:20

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile Cool...I'll be sure to try this out. I'm still waiting on my FedEx guy to bring my beloved Audrey, but I'm anxious to get started and try this out. I just have to find info on that "three fingered salute." :) 08-08-2001 10:46:43

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile ok, I'm trying to do this now scythic (thanks for all the hard work) Here is what i have: a linksys router connected to my Road Runner Cable modem. It dishes out IP to my PC & 3 audreys (yes 3) so i have audreys set to get IP automatically. Here is what i did: changed the audrey connection setting to static IP so i can enter the information. (here is where it gets a bit fuzzy for me) Do i have to determine the actualy ip address that Road runner has coming into my cable modem, or do i simply put in the router assigned number (192.168.1.3)? I tried putting in this ip and the DNS from your post, it quickly gives me the "There was an error while checking.." (I also put in the gateway as my router address 192.168.1.1, and net mask as 255.255.255.0) Do i need to directly attach the audrey to the cable modem? I'm still working but thought id give scythic some more opportunity to help the "less-educated" (ok, "dummies" go ahead and say it) 08-08-2001 11:30:43

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile For some reason, djbdns isn't cooperating as I'd like it to. I've gotten some emails to the effect that it isn't working. The workaround is to set BOTH primary *and* secondary DNS to 216.102.107.227. I've had *one* report of success with this method, but it took a longer time than usual. Sorry. I'm still experimenting with this... 08-08-2001 11:40:45

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile i tried setting both DNS to 216.102.107.227 and still getting that cant update error. HOWEVER, im probably doing something else wrong with the ip address, router, cable modem ,something. Patiently waiting for some help :) 08-08-2001 11:50:17

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sowbug Profile I am able to do an nslookup from a Linux machine as follows: nslookup > 3com.marimba.net 216.102.107.227 Server: [216.102.107.227] Address: 216.102.107.227 Name: 3com.marimba.net Address: 216.102.107.227 However, doing the same thing from a Windows 2000 machine craps out (2-second timeout). 08-08-2001 12:08:23

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) preacher Profile | Email scythic: What is the three-finger-salute? I have looked for it in the other threads but have not been able to find it. By the way, what does this update? Does it take me to the latest version (even though it does not change the version string) or just add the ability to drop to the shell? Thanks for your hard work! 08-08-2001 14:10:49

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) whitemouse Profile With the primary and secondary dns to your IP, I was able to do an "Update Channels Now", and it went through the progress bar without error. I set the update schedule for every fifteen minutes over the next hour, I'll check on it after the ball game. BTW, a DNS check from work gave this: H:\audrey>nslookup 3com.marimba.net 216.102.107.227 DNS request timed out. timeout was 2 seconds. *** Can't find server name for address 216.102.107.227: Timed out Server: UnKnown Address: 216.102.107.227 Name: 3com.marimba.net Address: 216.102.107.227 H:\audrey> 08-08-2001 14:20:52

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) rshah Profile Press the browser, actions and email buttons simultaneously for the three finger salute. 08-08-2001 14:33:49

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile ok, still no go but here it what i did: pulled router off cable modem, turned off cable modem & audrey. pplugged audrey directly into Road Runner cable modem. Turned on cable modem to let it grab IP. later, turned on audrey and set broadband to get IP automatically DHCP. went to audrey options and profile, wrote down IP, gateway, and net mask. went back to audrey options and get online, choose static ip. Put in all the info from the profile, and both DNS numbers for scythic's server. Choose continue. put in email crap. continued did email-actions-browser buttons at same time. It went to checking for update, then gave me the standard error. I was able to choose update all channels, but the little progress bar came up and quickly went away, no error (I doubt this did anything). Stuck... But excited. :) 08-08-2001 15:50:23

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile SpaceGhost, with the static setup, you might have the best chance of getting it to work. Send me your email and maybe at 6pst we can try to get it to work. When my setup worked this morning, I did it a couple of times with no errors. This was the Audrey connecting to a modem inside my firewall, using the internal IP of the machine running the castanet server. The DNS server on the inside is different than the DNS server outside but I thought I copied over the relevant stuff. There are a few things that could be happening - First, if you let the ISP assign DHCP parameters, there's a good chance that it will send a DNS record which will override the DNS entries supplied. To test this, hit the HTTP port on the Audrey browser (http://3com.marimba.net/, and http//marimba.3com.com). If you see the "AUDREY TEST" page for both of those, that's not the problem. If you don't, then try to set up your system as a static IP. The wierd thing is - even if your ISP's name server isn't doing the right thing you should still get the lookup when you eventually get to hitting mine. So, if you see the page, but it still doesn't work, see if you can be around at say 6PM PST, and we'll find an IRC channel and try to get this working live. I'd REALLY appreciate someone with a *older* Audrey rev trying this -- you should skip to 1.02.08.00, 1.02.08.01 then the hacked 1.02.08.01 in that order... would be interesting to see if maybe the packages that I built don't work for all machines... 08-08-2001 16:05:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) larsomatic Profile Hey scythic have you documented how you went about setting up the server? It would be cool to be able to modify my channels to something that works. I also might be able to pull together a simple web app that would allow folks to customized their channels on the fly. 08-08-2001 16:13:22

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sowbug Profile scythic, I'll revert my Audrey to 1.00.17.1 tonight and see how far it gets against your server. I plan to leave work at 7 p.m. Pacific. 08-08-2001 16:16:51

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile If someone wants to help, here's what would be appreciated. IF you have a static IP and a DNS server (I'm sure someone else does). Set your DNS up to be authoritative for 3com.com and marimba.net and point those two names to my IP (mentioned earlier in thread). Then, post here so people can use your DNS instead of my broken one :) How to set up a Castanet transmitter on Linux - First you need release.tar.gz -- if you got this when I first posted, you're in good shape. You'll have a transmitter and Channel Copier running. Now, you need to run 'tuner' as root so it can bind port 80 (I'll work around this later). Next you need 'TransmitterAdministrator.car', which was on the FTP site. If someone has a FTP where I can dump this stuff, just send me email, and I'll upload it. Use channelcopier to put TransmitterAdministrator on your own server, then go to 'Browse' and install it. You need that to create the folders, and having folders helps for being like 3com. If you used the channel copier against the 3com site, or if you have the .car files somewhere, you can (one by one!) copy them with Channel Copier into your transmitter. Set up your DNS to point the two machine names for 3com updates to your own machines, and start updating -- you are now as good as 3com's site (fairly simple..) ignore the error messages that get spit out about marimba.tuner.name not found -- it looks like a bug in the subscription service that 3Com provides. So, going beyond that, you'll need to create a package. It's easier if you see how the packages are put together first -- the packages (.car files) are just zip files (as described in an earlier post). You'll want to get my 'mrbrename' which takes the index.mrb from the root directory and renames the files to their original names -- makes it much easier to see whats going on. You then delete all the urn$* files, and look through what you have left. With the Final release, the Audrey will request two files - sub_1_02_08_01 and ch2dir_1_02_08_1 ch2dir is easiest, you have two files, one is properties.txt and the other is ch2dir(something). Edit properties.txt to change the channel name information. Edit the other file to reference your newly created channels -- any example will show you what you need -- it's basically (from memory) a few lines of similar to. 1.02.08.01/kojak=/kojak|action=reboot Just change those to be your own packages. the sub_1_02_08_01 is a little more involved. Still just take an example, modify plugin\groups.txt to point to your own packages. Make sure you have a number of linefeeds between the URL line and the first line of your packages. It *looks* like you need a seperate package for each main subdirectory -- I tried doing everything relative to the root directory and it didn't work. So, take any of the kojak.car files, extract it, and use their properties.txt as a template, modifying the name. You'll need to create a small portion of the treee... For example: I want nto.car to have bin/ftp So, in my target directory, I make a subdirectory bin... I have audrey_packages/1.02.08.03/nto/bin/ftp and put properties in audrey_packages/1.02.08.03/nto (anything up to *and including* the nto is changeable -- using nto is convenient though. Now, you'll have a set of a few directories (for the Sowbug-style hack it's three).. Not hard, just inconvenint, eh.. So, now in channel copier, select each directory (choose the FOLDER icon) where you have a properties.txt file (ie, sub/, ch2dir/, nto/, kojak/, data/) in turn. Point to your server, and locate it where in the hierarchy you want it. I found that on the Linux version, it would grey out the ADD if there wasn't already a file of the same name there... so select anything to get it to let you 'Add'. Now, go to 'Edit' for each of the ones you had to kludge, and make sure they point to the correct place! The easy part -- <select all><copy> Now, you'll have the complete set of channels on your transmitter. You can check by doing a copy back to .car files (transmitter on the left, file icon on the right), unzip and break it apart with the mrbrename tool. Confused yet? 08-08-2001 16:36:39

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile thanks for all the tips scythic, i'll get started on them i had a buddy up the road doing the same things i was but his was a non-updated (spetmeber i think) unit and his didnt work either. 08-08-2001 16:38:34

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile ok, i can not navigate to your "audrey test" page unless i put in the actual numbers, both marimba addresses gave me DNS erros. So.... ??? 08-08-2001 16:53:01

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sir_Tristan Profile ditto SpaceGhost's results re:direct IP addressing. Running 1.00.17.01 on a day-old Audrey purchased on uBid. scythic - you've done some excellent work here! thanks 08-08-2001 17:32:00

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Alright, finally at home and trying to see *WHY* djbdns isn't happy! I think it's because the remote side is setup for tinydns instead of dnscache. Tinydns doesn't forward on requests, and it probably has some other odd behaviors which make it less than ideal for this sort of thing. Anyway, if someone is willing to sit around and do the 3-finger salute while I'm watching, I'm on yahoo messenger (scythic).. 08-08-2001 19:32:46

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile "Press the browser, actions and email buttons simultaneously for the three finger salute." Hmmm....I've done this many times, and nothing happens but the screen flickering. :( Help? :) 08-08-2001 19:58:56

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) zman6911 Profile Hi all I got it to work by setting a DNS server to resolve the two A Names he specified earlier to his IP. The update works perfectly, however I dont know how to get root access. I have a $ prompt and everything is access denied. The bottom line is: The update WORKS, just keep trying with his DNS or setup your own DNS. 08-08-2001 20:06:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Moral of the story being - DJBDNS just isn't as good as BIND. Of course, I'd rather stick with the one that doesn't scream "rootshell my firewall". I'll try to futz with it more. Sman - if you are on static, can you let people bounce through your DNS server? As far as getting root -- I'll be putting together a new package which includes some other stuff, _and_ that makes the 'shellex' setuid so you can run more stuff.. This is just a proof of concept. And -- the great thing is, it'll update to it automatically *laf* 08-08-2001 20:13:59

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) wildcard Profile Is there some kind of feedback when Audrey is upgraded, i.e. a screen saying " Hold on while I ... 08-08-2001 21:02:47

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Well, this is it for me with this Marimba thing. If anyone is willing to take on running the DNS entries on a static IP, let me know and I'll keep my Marimba server up. If no one posts, I'll just take down the linux from outside -- already I'm getting a lot of code red probes and curious people playing with the server -- and I *don't trust* that code too much. Anyway, the latest image has more QNX tools. It doesn't do root by default. If you want root, when you boot the first time, run the URL for a shell, and then type the command echo chmod 4755 /kojak/CGI/shellex >> /kojak/boot.sh don't forget the double >'s otherwise you might mess up your boot. The next reboot, you'll be on as root. Still won't be able to use the tools like 'ls' -- I'll need to put another copy of those in /nto/bin. Lets see.. I'm disappointed -- can't use this as an overpriced answering machine.. the lousy modem doesn't support TAD. (It's 3COM 1807), and the keyboard JUST PLAIN SUCKS! No escape?! No CONTROL? it makes QNX positively unuseable (not that it ever is to begin with..) when I next play with this, I'll add in a serial console, and probably go from there... 08-08-2001 22:15:51

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Warning, I pointed my Audrey's DNS settings and 3-fingered, and after it updated, I set the network settings back to DHCP, power cycled, and now pushing any of the buttons causes a wierd noise on the speakers, along with the 'normal' sound. The noise is like an extended click. Hmm, another power cycle (at least 30 seconds off each time), and the 'glitch' is gone. Anyone else's speakers 'rattle' just a bit? 08-08-2001 22:32:41

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) whitemouse Profile Mine is running 1.00.18.02 2/16/2001. I can get the test page with numeric IP, but not by name. The channel updates go okay. I don't get a static address for either of my connections. I do have some ftp space, though. How can I help? mickeym 08-08-2001 22:37:22

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) larsomatic Profile scythic - I am putting together a DNS server that everyone can use, but am getting pretty tired. I will have to finish it tomorrow morning. I will post the ip when it is up. Maybe I can help you out with the mirror site. I have access to a server that no one will cry about if it gets hacked :) What is your email address? 08-08-2001 22:45:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Maybe this is old news by now, but after launching a pterm, I was able to ftp to and from an ftp server on my fileserver... 08-08-2001 23:03:36

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile To those of you who, like me, are not well informed on this matter: The three-fingered salute does NOT work if you have Version 1.00.17.01!! So don't waste your time like I did trying to get it to work. At any rate, for those of use non-fingerable types....how do we update using this new method? Thanks! :) 08-08-2001 23:18:17

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Example, here's the contents of /etc/config/media/mpregistry, as ftp'd: soundfile.so file://*.wav soundfile.so file://*.au soundfile.so file://*.voc soundfile.so file://*.aif soundfile.so file://*.iff dvdplayer.so file://*.MPG dvdplayer.so file://*.mpg dvdplayer.so file://*.vob mpegaudio.so file://*.mpa mpegaudio.so file://*.mp1 mpegaudio.so file://*.mp2 mpegaudio.so file://*.mp3 mpegvideo.so file://*.mpv mpegvideo.so file://*.m2v audiocd.so file://*/dev/cd? audiocd.so file://*.cda audiocd.so .cda:* playlist.so file://*.pl dvdplayer.so dvd soundfile.so=file=File audiocd.so=cd=Audio CD dvdplayer.so=dvd=DVD BTW, don't ftp any junk over to the Audrey just yet, we don't yet have root permission to delete files, and ftp runs as userid -2. /etc/printers has config files for the supported printers, anyone try to add a new definition ? vi is there for editing files, use the 'snapshot' button to end insert mode. double-click the pterm label bar to maximize to screen. /nto/voyager/x86/plugins could be the place to add plugins for other media formats (pdf would be nice, but certainly mp3). 08-08-2001 23:34:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Don't try a du -s / 08-09-2001 00:13:59

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect UPDATE_ch2dir_url could be changed to your server, and not have to mess with the DNS changes. UPDATE_subscribe_url has the version # in it. config.sn has the serial number. /config/downloadSchedule can be changed to allow for more frequent email polling. 08-09-2001 01:19:01

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Start up Audrey, hit browser, run pterm, then: in /kojak/SystemPanel.init add the line: ,paint.gif,launch,/nto/bin/shutdown using vi (hit snapshot to end insert mode). Then move pterm out of the way, click on the browser background, hit the action button, select audrey options, and the panel that comes up will have a "paint" icon, selecting that will reboot your machine. do the same with ,paint.gif,launch,/nto/photon/bin/pterm then you can launch a pterm from that panel. Substitute any .gif you'd like. This weekend I'll try building vncviewer in QNX RTP... and ftp it over... 08-09-2001 02:44:00

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Example, here's the contents of /etc/config/media/mpregistry, as ftp'd: soundfile.so file://*.wav soundfile.so file://*.au soundfile.so file://*.voc soundfile.so file://*.aif soundfile.so file://*.iff dvdplayer.so file://*.MPG dvdplayer.so file://*.mpg dvdplayer.so file://*.vob mpegaudio.so file://*.mpa mpegaudio.so file://*.mp1 mpegaudio.so file://*.mp2 mpegaudio.so file://*.mp3 mpegvideo.so file://*.mpv mpegvideo.so file://*.m2v audiocd.so file://*/dev/cd? audiocd.so file://*.cda audiocd.so .cda:* playlist.so file://*.pl dvdplayer.so dvd soundfile.so=file=File audiocd.so=cd=Audio CD dvdplayer.so=dvd=DVD BTW, don't ftp any junk over to the Audrey just yet, we don't yet have root permission to delete files, and ftp runs as userid -2. /etc/printers has config files for the supported printers, anyone try to add a new definition ? vi is there for editing files, use the 'snapshot' button to end insert mode. double-click the pterm label bar to maximize to screen. /nto/voyager/x86/plugins could be the place to add plugins for other media formats (pdf would be nice, but certainly mp3). 08-09-2001 02:45:30

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile I don't know where that last repeat msg came from... But if you didn't figure it out already, launching a pterm from the audrey/options menu gives.... *A* *root* *shell* your welcome. Or did someone beat me to it? 08-09-2001 03:12:18

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile s/your/you're/ 08-09-2001 03:13:12

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile larsomatic - Thanks! My email is scythicatyahoodotcom (lets see if that foils the spamcollectors). mr23 - First, your method for the root shell is quite a bit more elegant than my approach. I'll have to tinker with that. Any ideas on how to get a remote serial console going? That would spare my way-too-big-for-tiny-keyboard fingers. I noticed that I could change the URL for updates, but my server is definitely temporary. Presumably someone will register one of the dyndns style entries and use it for future marimba updates. I might just leave the update as is - since with 'ftp' there's really no need for anything more. If there's any call for a large set of changes to the standard image, I'll those in the package, change the version string, update URL and change the version to something like "1.02.08.03 SHELL"? shatner - Method for old firmware, thanks to Sowbug earlier. Go to Browser, enter the URL http://localhost/cgi-bin/GetSystemValue?kcrontab Look for the line like: update; 26; 3; *; *; * Set your time to EXACTLY that (eg: 3:26) - your time may be different. Hit the Sleep(Power) button. Wait 1-2 minutes. You should see a yellow dialog in the center of the screen. If you get an error message wait until someone else gets a mirror up. Once you get to 1.02.04.01 you can three-finger it. 08-09-2001 06:54:48

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) bubsy Profile I had DNS up and running with scythic's host information. Set your machine using 160.79.101.114 for DNS. 08-09-2001 09:45:20

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) radman Profile Has anyone had success upgrading via scythic's site using the internal modem connection?? Damn, I can't wait to finger my Audrey. -r 08-09-2001 12:12:10

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile I've been trying too, radman, and there ain't no fingering going on here. I've tried both DNS numbers listed above (entering each one twice when I try them), and the Audrey is connecting. All she does is update channels (which is useless now). I think our problem is that we don't get a "yellow box" or anything indicating an update is going on. The screen does not even turn on when an update occurs. This is probably because we have the original software. My only concern is, does each "update" that users use to have access to include all other previous updates? For instance, if we "skip" a few (which it sounds like we are trying to do), are we missing other updates? Or does scythic have each update and we just need to go through them one at a time (once this works)? We're out here, and we're trying...so don't give up on us! :) Thanks! 08-09-2001 12:43:12

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Ergo Profile Radman, I haven't been able to get an update using the internal modem, and I'm wondering if I've got the DNS set up wrong, or our equipment does cut it.. I've tried several times the three finger method, and always get a network error message in the yellow box. I don't want to keep bothering syncic's server as a curious bouncer, probing, etc but I can't get this thing to work. So I try one more way thinking that will be the ticket.. Those that are using dialup, how are you setting the DNS numbers. Do you set them in under the advanced information tab section of internet settings/audrey options, or is it set under the "get online" section? Do you leave the box ppp/DHCP checked? Do you do anything with the Static IP setting? I don't want to keep "probing" the server with an badly set up box. Sometimes when your lost, you should ask for directions. I'm lost. How do you get to the updated shell? 08-09-2001 13:01:18

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile ok, tried the new DNS numbers and same result. PLEASE, tell me if this is simply Road Runner isp keeping this from working... for the benefit of others, I'll list all steps: (1) unplugged cable modem & audrey for 5 minutes (2) plugged in cable modem, waited until all lights were solid (3) plugged in audrey (let it get time & date from internet automatically (4) used actions button to get audrey options then chose About Audrey, then profile (5) under profile, i wrote down the IP address, the gateway, the net mask that audrey pulled from my cable modem (6) checked web browsing.... (WORKED) (7) went back to audrey options, chose get online (8) selected broadband, static IP, entered all the copied down information (9) put in the new DNS numbers in both primary & secondary (10) went to browser to see if i could reach any http addresses.. COULD NOT (11) 3 finger salute (12) long search this time with little yellow box (looking for update)... Dreaded error while updating box (13) cried (14) wiped tears gently off Audrey touchscreen (15) Came here to file results 08-09-2001 13:02:34

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Here's what I did about 10 minutes ago to update an audrey via broadband/roadrunner. (1) changed dns addresses to (specified), no dhcp, fixed ip (on my 192.168.0 network), set a hostname, netmask, gateway (2) hit the audrey "power down" button (3) unplugged audrey for 1 minute (by unplugging a/c side of adapter (4) I never disconnected the usb/ethernet adapter from my switch, which is connected to a MaxGate uGate, which is connected to the roadrunner Toshiba modem. (5) plugged in audrey -- it can't get time & date from internet automatically, as the dns server won't provide a proper time host resolve, so just set the year and continue (6) 3 finger salute rewarded with update. after it completed (went away for 10 minutes and did other stuff) I went back, went to internet options and cleared all fields and selected dhcp. Checked "pterm" at this point, worked. Went into the filesystem and added the SystemPanel.init lines, tested root shell, etc. Did a final power cycle to reset the network settings. Could have just done a shutdown at that point, but... 08-09-2001 13:37:19

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile OK OK OK OK OK I was making this waaayy too hard! (1)Per Mr23's advice, this time i left teh audrey attached to my router and never disconnected any cable modem or cables. (2) set the audrey to my router assigned ip (192.168.1.102), gateway, mask, put in the latest DNS number (bubsy's) (3) powered down, unplugged audrey (4) replugged her in, and she comes on (5) date and internet went through fine (this made me worry, again, per Mr23's post (6) three finger salute- takes several minutes, then Preparing audrey for reading update, then copy status bar (7) audrey powers itself off, check the pterm url, voila a shell window pops up (8) i type a few expletives in the shell (since i don't know jack about qnx) then reset to DHCP (9) cry tears of joy, clean them from audrey touchscreen again (10) roll back to PC monitor and kiss Mr23's post (ok, i really didnt kiss his post <-- sounds like Ch 598 on satellite) THANKS THANKS THANKS.... Now, I assume we are like beggin pups waiting for sowbug/scythic and whoever else intends on making some additions or explanations of getting other apps onto audrey. Will we need a CF card for program storage? 08-09-2001 14:24:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Randy Profile I updated mine using Scythic's server, and it worked great. I'm using a dial-up ISP, btw, and used Scythic's DNS number. Thanks VERY MUCH for hosting this!!! To tell the truth, this would be a great resource for the stray Audrey-buyer months from now. (Scythic, how long do you plan on hosting this?) Randy 08-09-2001 17:46:19

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile OK, all my units are updated with the sowbug image. but a buddy's is an original and we cant get it to even try to update. we think we have tried all steps: set time to exactly what is in teh update update 13; 4; *,*,* so we set time to 4:11 am and powered off, when we come back 5 minutes later, it has updated the time from internet to current time wiith no update. So we tried scythic method, set time to exact update time from http, then power off, nothing. Also tried setting Time to Update a few minutes ahead of current time and it wont go. 08-09-2001 17:58:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile The server is on a test machine. If I keep it up, I'll be moving it to another machine which can stay up longer... but since I'm on a personal DSL which doesn't really like servers, I don't know how long before they complain. SpaceGhost Please post the results of the following two URLS from the machine that doesn't work... http://localhost/cgi-bin/GetSystemValue?UPDATE_ch2dir_url http://localhost/cgi-bin/GetSystemValue?UPDATE_subscribe_url As well as the adjacent lines from kcrontab. Thanks.. 08-09-2001 18:28:02

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile the subcribe url = http://3com.marimba.net/subscription update_ch2dir_url= http://3com.marimba.net/ch2dir_map krontab: #app; min; hour; day; dweek; month -memdefrag; 5; 21; *; *; * setitime; 13; 21; *; *; * update; 14; 21; *; *; * upload; 15; 21; *; *; * maild; 16; 21; *; *; * updatechannels; 17; 21; *; *; * 08-09-2001 18:40:16

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Not to be too dense here, but isn't the 21:14 time different than the 4:13 time you mentioned before? Other than that, I *think* everything looks right. I'm not *positive* that 'subscription' is on my server. I'll check that right now. 08-09-2001 19:37:04

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Ergo Profile Argghhh Still can't get an update, and I've run out of things to change. Tried two different ISP accounts, and both DNS addresses. Each time I get the "error has occured method." Double Argghhh. Randy How did you get the dialup upgrade to work? I'm either missing something simple, (but I keep rereading the thread.) or this upgrade is hit and miss, and I'm unlucky. But I tend to think I'm missing something. Is it only me who can't get this updated. 08-09-2001 19:58:19

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) dan67sf Profile scythic: Hope you can help me out. Here is what I have accomplished so far. Started out with version 1.04.??.?? I don't quite remember. I am using a dial up account, changed dns to bubsy's then did the 3 finger solute and it upraded to the next version, I did this 3 more time until I got to ver 1.02.08.01. Now when I try to do the 3 finger it gives me the error, tried your dns also and it gives me the dame error. Below are what I have for subscription and ch2dir urls. If there is anything you can do to assist I would appreciate it. http://localhost/cgi-bin/GetSystemValue?UPDATE_ch2dir_url = http://marimba.3com.com/ch2dir_1_02_08_01 http://localhost/cgi-bin/GetSystemValue?UPDATE_subscribe_url = http://marimba.3com.com/sub_01_02_08_01 kcrontab #ap: min; hour; day; dweek; month -MwmDefrag;25;4;*;*;* settime;33;4;*;*;* update;34;4;*;*;* upload;35;4;*;*;* maild;36;4;*;*;* UpdateChannels;37;4;*;*;* BTW Thanks for all the work. 08-09-2001 20:05:00

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile I've finally been skimming through my log files.. and to my (original) surprise, I found a lot of people trying IIS overflows on me. I hadn't thought that people here would be quite so malicious. Then I figured out that it was the dreaded 'code red' thing that I'd heard out of the corner of my eye on the news sometime or another. Seems that some ISPs are blocking port 80 requests from other ISPs, or denying them through, and I have no idea how the Marimba server likes having this sort of probe thrown at it. So possibly, this might be a bad moment for some of the testing -- I'm guessing my DSL provider is limitting instead of completely blocking port 80. I'll help anyone with a spare linux box get this set up... 08-09-2001 20:17:49

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scooter Profile YESSSS!!! Worked perfectly via my DSL connection thru my router/switch. All I changed was my primary DNS and blanked the second one. Then ran the steps listed from mr23 & spaceghost. I was already using static IP, etc so all I had to do was put back my original DNS setup and voila! Thanks guys, beautiful effort 08-09-2001 20:38:38

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) kaotikfunk Profile | Email I have a non-fingerable audrey (1.00.17.01 RC8 9/26/2000), and am not getting any version updates using the method from another thread (set update schedule 5-6 min in future, put audrey to sleep). I've even let it sit through 2 timed updates, and its not turning on for either of them, no updating, etc. I can however: view the test page through 3com.marimba.com and the IP directly use the channel update button on that download schedule screen, it goes through, updates, no errors I have the hacked DNS as primary and no secondary, should the channel update described above work? also, I'll be in irc.openprojects.net #audrey tonight, drop by if anyone wants to chat 08-09-2001 20:41:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Ergo Profile kaotikfunk I don't think you set the time to a five minutes in the future. You want to set the time to the result of the kcrontab so that the machine does not correct the time at one minute less. Check the thread again on just how to do that. 08-09-2001 20:53:57

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Ergo Profile k-funk Here is the thread on updates without using the three buttons. http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=3Com_Audrey&Post=37&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=ergo.99741547657808 08-09-2001 21:06:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) LeBorg Profile The best way for people with version 1.00.17.01 code is to hit the calendar button, then actions palette, then download schedule. This way you can see the system's current time in the bottom left corner of the screen. Add 3 or 4 minutes to it, pop it into the first download schedule slot and put it to sleep. In theory, if everything's set up right (primary DNS pointing to Scythic's server) your Audrey should go up to version 1.02.08.01. If it doesn't, you might want to try clearing out all your Palm data, flush out your email, maybe even go as far as cleaning out your URL favorites and snapshots. If you want to really get your Audrey to "almost virgin setup", set up a password, put it to sleep, and wake it up. It will give you 3 chances to give the right password. Enter anything but the right password. It will then ask if you want to reset Audrey. It'll clean up everything for you. Be warned though, that this will kill >>ALL<< your data, even your ISP settings. I would resort to this if all else fails. 08-09-2001 23:21:05

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) viggen Profile I have an audery with version 1.00.17.01. I have configured the DNS server properly, as I can see the Audery test page when I browse to 3com.marimba.net. I have tried all the methods of trying to get this machine to download the new code (including setting the password to do a complete reset) without success. I am running an Ethernet connection to my cable modem. I am able to download e-mail without a problem (using the IP address of the mail server since we don't have "real" DNS), so it seems pretty functional. Has anybody managed to get a 1.00.17.01 machine updated yet? If so, what exactly did you have to do? 08-10-2001 00:18:42

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) nsx11 Profile I have an Audrey with 1.00.17.01 and a dialup connection. I found out about this site the day after the marimba site went down. I have setup the DNS server to 216.102.107.227 and I am able to get to a few sites. When I try the download I always get stuck when it tries to update the ABC News Channel. I get the message that the channel is no longer available. That is where it always stops. jmb 08-10-2001 01:17:22

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile :( Still not working for me. I have followed the instructions exactly as written. I am on a dialup, so I don't have the convenience of a static IP. I also have a "fresh" (non-updated, brand new) Audrey (Dare I say "Virgin Audrey?") I have tried both DNS numbers (even once setting primary to 216.102.107.227 and secondary to 160.79.101.114.) I set the update for 3-4 minutes ahead, then "put the bitch to sleep." I wait about 10 minutes. Nothing happens on the screen (still dark). When I wake her up, she's on the standard screen showing arrows to what each button does. From what I gather, she quietly connects, checks mail email (sometimes the totally cool email & pen light starts blinking), then updates the channels. Then she sometimes disconnects, other times is still connected. But that's it. Whether there is email or not, this happens. I am not getting errors of any kind. It's almost like my audrey has somehow been set to "not" check for updates (is that possible?). All I can say is *please* don't give up on us dialup virgin audrey users! We're still trying (some, like me, religiously!!!!). Any other suggestions? Thanks for being there when 3Com is clearly not. :) 08-10-2001 01:47:23

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile Scythic... regarding the virgin audrey and update times. if we change the type of update from scheduled to every 30 minutes, it changes the update time shown to us by kcron. we tried all steps with both times in both download settings. Thanks for the patience and interest in helping!! All... Just to confirm... after powering the unit off, it should come back ON and try to update, right? Shouldnt we at least see the yellow message box if we are gettng an error? If not, the activity light is certainly active during power off, but as others mentioned, it is getting mail and sometimes "fixing" the time if we had changed it. Has anyone taken a virgin audrey through any updates since the 3com server went down? 08-10-2001 03:58:20

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) cpudweeb Profile | Email scythic, > I'll help anyone with a spare linux box get this set up... I've got a spare linux box that can be used if you need some help. Let me know either way: cpudweebAThotmailDOTcom ICQ: 547421 MSN: cpudweeb 08-10-2001 05:49:17

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile SpaceGhost/Shatner, if you are going to be around tonight (yeah, a geek like me will be), come to kaotikfunk's channel on openprojects, and I'll try to figure out if something is happening... The other option might have just been to leave it on over night and see if it managed to hit the server on its own. I don't know if anyone's tried that -- it would definitely require more patience than I'd have. Let me know if you followed LeBorg's suggestions -- it seems that the Audrey wasn't as reliable in fetching firmware updates in the older versions, so maybe there is too much email, web cache?, or the like. When I updated mine, I hardly did anything with it until I got it updated. No plans to give up on the older Audreys. (Although, I'm somewhat torn between wanting to help, and feeling like I'm really doing UBID a huge favor in helping them sell these things as functinal internet-appliances -- their description says "software updateable"). Please, as a favor - please refrain from posting my IP.. when I need to take down my server I'll edit it to avoid future confusion. 08-10-2001 07:43:24

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) roswell979 Profile Is it possible to get the image and update via compact flash for us that have only dialup and old software versions? If so is anyone that upgraded to the newest code able to make a flash image? 08-10-2001 07:50:58

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) roswell979 Profile Is it possible to get the image and update via compact flash for us that have only dialup and old software versions? If so is anyone that upgraded to the newest code able to make a flash image? If you can get me a copy please email me at moxieman1_at_hotmail_dot_com 08-10-2001 07:51:33

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sandshifter Profile | Email I'm in the same boat as a lot of others. Brand new Audrey unit yesterday, 1.00.17.01 9/26/2000 firmware, and unable to update the version using the suggestions on this thread. Am working from behind a linksys router with no special setups, simple home network. Seems 1.00.17.01 presents some unique problems. Someway I can help resolve the update issue with this firmware? Big thanks to Scythic for your efforts to help us have a better working internet appliance. Hope to return the favor somehow. 08-10-2001 07:59:18

Wierd problems with DNS.... (modified 0 times) marcuso Profile I have been having significant problems getting DNS working on my virgin Audrey. I ended up starting from scratch (using the password trick) and entering static IP information. Along with my own dns server as the primary (nd3.domainmonger.com - 216.145.17.188) and scythic's dns server as the secondary.... In windows, I am able to nslookup with "server ns3.domainmonger.com" and get scythic's IP address. On the audrey, I am able to view random websites (indicating DNS is working), and I am also able to see scythic's "AUDREY TEST" page if I enter the IP address. However, I am unable to see the page if I enter 3com.marimba.net - it says "Error: DNS Failure". Are other people with virgin Audreys having the same problem? Is there possibly a static hosts file in the earlies audrey versions? Feel free to e-mail me at marcuso at u.washington.edu. Thanks. - Marcus 08-10-2001 08:01:46

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) whitemouse Profile I have an older audrey (1.00.18.02) and I am using dialup. I have been setting the dns addresses through the actions pallette, internet options. What I notice is odd is that, even though I have set both primary and secondary dns and verified that they show up on the profile page, normal nameservice still works. At first, I though my isp was intercepting all dns requests, but the DSL side of mindspring doesn't do that. Maybe dialup is different, but I tend to think it is more related to dhcp overwriting the settings. With dynamic IP, I can't just shut that off, so either a modem proxy through my workstation or a usb/dsl setup is probably next. 08-10-2001 08:23:26

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) dav_man Profile Version 1.00.17.01 RC8 Well, another 1.00.17.01 user that can't seem to get his UBID audrey to update. Tried every trick in the book. I can actually see traffic going out... But, No Update. I have my own DNS server and get the test pages.. Even had the patience to leave the darn thing overnight. Any Idea? I have more of these things coming in for a COOL home automation project. There has got to be a way to Flash this thing with the CF's I have laying around this place. Here is the scoop... subcribe url = http://3com.marimba.net/subscription ch2dir_url= http://3com.marimba.net/ch2dir_map krontab: #app; min; hour; day; dweek; month -memdefrag; 45; 8; *; *; * setitime; 53; 8; *; *; * update; 55; 8; *; *; * upload; 55; 8; *; *; * maild; 56; 8; *; *; * updatechannels; 57; 8; *; *; * 08-10-2001 09:29:35

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sandshifter Profile | Email Stillnot updating from from 9/2000 firmware. May be of interest that my seeting are as follows: the update subcription_url = http://3com.marimba.net/Subsriptions the update ch2dir_url = http://3com.marimba.net/ch2dir_map ANy help? 08-10-2001 09:50:04

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile Dav_man, This is one of my main interests for the AUdrey as well. Perhaps you could start a new thread, uses for hacked audre or add to the one "What have people done with shell access." I'd love to hear your plans and what hardware software you intend to use. Does it involved Girder, X10 devices, and IR receiver/transceivers? 08-10-2001 10:29:43

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) wildcard Profile Ditto, Can't get it to update, have tried everything. Could those who've gotten an update, describe just how their system was setup, it might help so that all the work doesn't fall on scythic 08-10-2001 10:44:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Scy, How much effort would it take to make a paired down linux disk image that contains the marimba server functionality, and make that available on the net? Then we could easily set up a set of mirror sites that people can update from. Once we figure out how to get the 9/2000 machines to update, there's going to be a lot of people trying. We could set up a web page for people to select the different sites, or create a smart web page to distribute the load out, so that not just one or two servers are doing all the work (thus, their ISP's won't complain). Since only high bandwidth sites will be hosting this, the image could be as large as half a gig if necessary and not be a problem. 08-10-2001 11:03:16

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) dan67sf Profile Here is what I had to do to get my to do the "final hacked" update. Last night I was able to get the audrey updated from a 1.01.14.?? to a 1.02.08.01 using my dialup ISP. AFter that update I tried and tried to get the final update and it kept on giving me an error. So I brought it into work with me and I tried using the dial up again and still would not work. I connecttd my USB ethernet adapter which I connected it straight to the internet, outside of our firewall since there is no way to put is proxy info. I tried to do the update and it worked. So I think scythic is correct when he said that his ISP was blocking certain IPs/ISPs. 08-10-2001 11:08:38

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) bubsy Profile sorry. My DSL is down lastnight and the DNS is back. Verzion suxs!! 08-10-2001 11:55:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile Well, I see why mine is not working. When I try to go to http://3com.marimba.net, my browser just hangs and never loads anything. When I go to http://marimba.3com.com, I get Not Found. This is definately a DNS issue for us older version, dialup modem users. I think our ISP's are trying to be "too" nice by using their own DNS no matter what we put in. 08-10-2001 13:13:58

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sandshifter Profile | Email SHATNER ... I can see BOTH servers using my cable connection and router setup, just can't update a dog-gone thing from either with this 9/2000 software ... Hope a solution is in sight ... 08-10-2001 14:03:49

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) kaotikfunk Profile | Email Ok, when I went to sleep last night, the upgrade time was 4:02 in krontab. I blocked the time servers at my router, so the audrey no longer updates the time :) both of the dns work and I can resolve through to 3com.marimba.net. I set the time to 2 AM before I went to sleep just to be safe, and after work today the update time was different, but my audrey didn't update the software. Right now I set the time to 10 mins before the new update, and am sitting back and waiting... 1.00.17.01 rc8 9/2000 is still being a pain 08-10-2001 17:00:55

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile For those of you with this "unupgradeable" firmware, lets try to get some of you together on #audrey on irc.openprojects.net tonight. I'll set up 'tcpdump', see just what is going wrong, and see if we can resolve this. If any of you has monitoring capability (ie, your audrey is on a hub with a *nix machine), that would be *nice* to see both sides of the story. I'll probably be on at like 7:30 pacific time or thereabouts. 08-10-2001 17:35:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) AudreyLover Profile | Email Just FYI: TigerDirect.com has the Audrey's for $89.99 - NEW Linen It's on their email today: http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/mil186.asp They aren't in stock today, however should be shipping from their warehouse on Monday/Tuesday. Not such a bad deal! I saw another post where if you go to http://www.tigerdirect.com/mastercard/ it will give you a $10 discount once you get your email confirmation (KEWL!) 08-10-2001 17:44:58

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile whitemouse, make sure you are power cycling after making an ip/dns change. It doesn't take effect immediately. 08-10-2001 18:55:47

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) TonyB Profile I'll join the club of people who can't get the update to work yet. My Audrey is running 1.00.18.02 1/16/2001. I've got it up and running with a static IP address, DNS servers set to both of the addresses given in this thread. Set the update time to 3 minutes in the future, and I'm running tcpdump from another Linux box on the network... I can see the DNS request for 3com.marimba.net succeed, a bunch of port 80 traffic to 216.102.107.227, several DNS requests for "kojak" that never get answered, more port 80 stuff... Eventually, it seems to get stuck in some kind of loop doing DNS requests for www.vs.aparato.net every 5 seconds that never get answered. It's been sitting for over 10 minutes now just trying to lookup www.vs.aparato.net... If I point a browser to that name, I get the Audrey-discontinued 3Com page. Will it eventually work itself out, or do I not have all the magic ingredients yet? Thanks for all the hard work so far! 08-10-2001 21:33:54

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile For those of you with the really old firmware, try the update again. I've changed some things.. As it turned out, my mirror was incomplete. So, you'll be missing some of the early updates (maybe LeBorg can comment on what the really early RC fixed and if I need to copy some files over from a complete image?) Now, all the older versions will update to 1.02.04.01 which then upgrades normally with my mirror. 08-10-2001 22:41:31

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Sandshifter Profile | Email Scythic ... Thank you, thank you, thank you ... Had my 01.00.17.01 9/26/2000 audrey set up to auto update 5 times last night ... Woke up this am and bingo, I was up to the Jan version ... Couple of three finger salutes brought me up to FINAL version ... I am on a broadband connection behind a linksys router ... Did the setup as explained above ... Thanks for saving me a shippment to 3com for an upgrade ... BTW: If a person sends their audrey to 3 com for version upgrade, there is NO guarantee they will receive a new unit in return ... The ONLY guarantee is that 3com will return a unit with the latest firmware version ... 08-11-2001 05:50:33

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) infoz Profile | Email I have my audrey @ 1.02.08.01 FINAL 4/23/2001. Does that mean I can't pull down the shell update (since updating is turned off?) I've tried a few times with no results. thx, Tim (infoz at earthlink.net) ps - i have access to a solaris server with a fat pipe and might be able to set up a marimba server for this stuff. gotta check with da boss. ;) 08-11-2001 08:10:08

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile If you have the 1.02.08.01 final, as far as I know the only way to update is with the 3-finger salute (Mail + Browser + Action). My sole test Audrey was updated via that method. 08-11-2001 08:13:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) infoz Profile | Email On my Audrey, the three-finger salute just seems to re-set it (goes to the stylus calibration screen) and doesn't try to update anything. I'll keep trying. :) - Tim 08-11-2001 08:44:21

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) smee Profile I'll add myself to the list of people having trouble updating. I've got 3 Audreys which I thought were all up to date (before official Marimba went down). But, it turns out that one is still 1.2.4.1. I've been trying to update using the DNS servers listed above. I'm on a local lan going through a Linksys router and DSL. The three-finger method initiates the update but I get the error message after a while. I wanted to confirm that the DNS servers are up and running. Are they? Thanks 08-11-2001 08:54:40

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) infoz Profile | Email Ok, I got it to try to update now, but the DNS is definitely not responding. I'm running tcpdump on one of my linux boxen and can see the traffic. sythic -- contact me about mirroring this to somewhere. I think I can swing it. (infoz at earthlink..net) cheers, - Tim 08-11-2001 09:15:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) TonyB Profile I tried again this morning. 4 or so updates later and I have a root shell window! Something new I've found out... there's an /etc/hosts file just like any other Unix machine. If you get updated using the DNS server hack to the point where you can get a shell, you can edit /etc/hosts (it's set to read-write for everyone) and add 3com.marimba.net and marimba.3com.com to resolve to another update server, and put your Audrey back to "normal" DNS behavior. 08-11-2001 12:11:41

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) wildcard Profile infoz The mail and calender together on mine, bring up the calibaration screen. 08-11-2001 12:13:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) dav_man Profile Scythic, One thing that I noticed in the sniffs that I did last night, when we were figuring out why the updates were not working, is that the marimba server seems to tell the Audrey when and *where* to get it's next update. When I get the other three or four in, we should try to change those parameters and see if this darn thing can be told to look elsewhere the next time. Dav_Man 08-11-2001 12:20:21

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Good job, TonyB. That will keep us from having to change dns entries, until we modify the Audrey image to look elsewhere. 08-11-2001 12:25:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Shatner Profile My Audrey is at the point that, if she were human, she would look up at me and say, "I don't care what you try, I'm still not going to do it." I, of course, am referring to the update. Argh! She's been through so much...she feels abused...there must be another way to get this to work? Help me.....help Audrey. :) (Just to review, I have a dialup...no access to any kind of broadband...which seems to be the key here.) 08-11-2001 13:23:55

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Ergo Profile Shatner My Audrey is in the same state. Can't update with the dialup. Seems like most everone who has updated was on broadband, but.... not all. Randy on this thread was able to update to the version on dialup. 08-11-2001 13:35:13

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) LeBorg Profile Tony B - The sniffs where it was trying to go to www.vs-aparato.net I believe are for the channel updates which are now dead. There's a lot of links to it in the data/XML Channel Selector folder from the files that I looked at. 08-11-2001 13:53:29

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) infoz Profile | Email YES!!! It's working now. I can't believe I have a terminal window on Audrey!! Thanks to all who did the hard work to get things this far along. I hope I can contribute some goodies of my own soon. I'm installing QNX on a spare PC right now. :) What I did was set both DNS entries to 160.79.101.114 and my gateway address to my DSL router and did the 3-finger salute...kapow! Worked like a charm. - Tim 08-11-2001 17:35:43

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) kaotikfunk Profile | Email After scythic's post above about the missing files, my stubborn 1.00.17.01 RC8 9/26/2000 UPDATED. After a few 3 fingers, I'm up to the shell version! I've done a little poking around, look at my new threads. 08-12-2001 23:26:56

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) affegott Profile Hello All- I had a 1.00.17.01 RC8 9/26/2000 Audrey too. I set both DNS entries to 216.102.107.227 and set the time to force an update. I was able to get it to update to 4/2001 FINAL version, but shell access does not work. Do I need an update beyond that? When I do the "3 Fingered Salute", the update dialog appears for about 5 seconds... and then a dialog saying there was an error updating the software shows up. Any ideas? I am using dial up, and I am able to see the "Test Page" when I go to 3com.marimba.net 08-13-2001 07:15:12

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) dan67sf Profile affegott; I had the exact same problem you did. I was using dial up and got the final version but when I tried for the last update for the hacked verion it would give me the error that there was an error on updating I tried for 2 days to do this. Finally i brought it into work and conncted to the companies internet on the outside of the firewall and I was able to get the update. So if you have friend or family that has a different ISP/internet connection you should be able to get it to work. Hope this helps and good luck 08-13-2001 07:24:08

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) affegott Profile dan67sf: Thanks for the info. I guess I will have to go an grab the ethernet adapter. -Affe 08-13-2001 07:35:14

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scooter Profile Anybody have a working DNS address. The 160.79.101.114 doesn't seem to work (ping). TIA 08-13-2001 17:23:29

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) madmax Profile hi guys, great stuff going on...special thanks to scythic for setting up the update server i just got my audrey+usb ethernet and now i'm trying to update. i faked the dns and i do get scythic website @ 3com.marimba.net (216.102.107.227) but i can't trigger the update because my audrey is running Version 1.00.17.01 so no "three finger salute" for me !. i looked @ the crontab and my audrey is supose to update @ 4:14 am. so i set the time to 4:13 and put it to sleep..... nothing i wait 10 minutes but nothing happens any ideas ?? -madmax- 08-13-2001 17:26:22

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) madmax Profile hi scooter, you can use mine 206.184.77.241 please tell me if your update worked ... i still have problem (see post above) madmax 08-13-2001 17:54:41

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) kaotikfunk Profile | Email madmax: in the krontab, look at the setitime variable, mine was set to update the time AND update at 4:02 originally, so I had to block access to timeservers. You can either look up TimeServer0,1,2 and block those IPs with a firewall, take it off the internet and do it on your lan, or block ports 13 and 37 in your router as I did (netgear RT311), then try the update. With them blocked and scythic's fixes a few days ago, I was finally successful. 08-13-2001 18:07:13

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) madmax Profile hi kaotikfunk, thanks, yeah i finally saw that my timupdate was 4:12 and the uodate was 4:13 so every time i tried i set the time to 4:12 which of course started the "time-update" :( so i just went and tried a few time to set the time to 4:13 and put it to sleep (quick) which after trying 3 times worked !!! thanks, madmax 08-13-2001 18:36:29

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) madmax Profile ok, here is the problem for those who upgraded to "1.02.08.01" without getting the shell to work. after you upgraded to "1.02.08.01" without shell doing the "three-finger salute" your audrey will look for any updates @ "marimba.3com.3com" all the earlier updates where looking @ "3com.marimba.net" !! i updated my dns @ 206.184.77.241 and rebooted my audrey did the "three-finger salute" and SUCCESS !! the profile still reports "1.02.08.01" but now the shell is working madmax 08-13-2001 19:29:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scooter Profile madmax - thanks I tried the other one and it finally worked (216.102.107.227). Had the same issues with the time getting updated. I think this might be a clue. I set the dns, then unplugged it, then back on again, then set the time manually to one minute before the kcrontab update time and it worked. DId a bunch of "salutes" for upgrades. I thought I was done and switched the dns back to my real one, tried the pterm thru the browser, nothing happened. Switched it back, did the "salute" and it gave an error. I had to unplug and restart, then "salute" and it worked. I think I wrote this up correctly and maybe it will help one of you guys that are stuck back on the original version which was what mine was. 08-13-2001 19:57:22

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Swede Profile Just successfully performed my first update over a dial-up connection (my ethernet has not yet arrived). I used madmax's DNS (206.184.77.241) server. After a three-finger salute, I'm on my way to update number 2! Thanks to all those involved in the process. For new Audrey owners such as myself, your work is much appreciated! By the way, I used NetZero's free ISP as a dial-up connection. 08-13-2001 21:05:11

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) delphi Profile Swede, Are you able to use NetZero for any length of time with the audrey, or does it disconnect you after not detecting the ZeroPort app? Also, was it a regular Netzero account or one from the Dreamcast hack site? Delphi 08-13-2001 23:49:04

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) madmax Profile hmm, odd before i got my usb-adapter i tried net-zero with the "special" info from that dreamcast-site, but i was not able to get connected... i got the same error i got using my isp linkline and the same error using my own win2000 dialup in the office always go "IPCP-ERROR"... but i saw someone posting something about that, saying that some dialups use win2000-server with an older version and those won't work (go figure...maybe some virus so i waited for this usb-adapter.. so everybody having those kinda problems... go look for another isp or just get the usb-adapter... is much better anyways! the last thing i did after i got the shell is downloading a file-list all all the files and sure enought found those sound files mono,22.5 KHz. changed one already... my audrey no starts with some star-trak sound .... i also uploaded another gif for the shell prompt i did't like the "paint.gif" madmax 08-14-2001 00:24:53

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) nsx11 Profile I was able to connect using the netzero hack at the dreamcast site. however it looks like it will only let you browse web sites in the netzero network. any attempt to browse outside the netzero network redirects you to a page that says you must upgrade. even after going back to my old ISP dialup account, I still get the redirect message when I try to surf a site outside the netzero network. I wouldn't recommend using the hack on the dreamcast site. jmb 08-14-2001 00:26:23

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Swede Profile Delphi, I used the hack at the Dreamcast site: http://www.dreamcastfun.com/frispnz.shtml The netzero account works like a normal account; I was able to browse to any site and I never was disconnected. My first Audrey upgrade took about 30 minutes, so I know that I can at least stay connected that long. The only problem I had was with the upgrade that gives shell access, it failed. I read in an earlier post that someone had the same problem, and it was a DNS issue that was supposedly corrected on madmax's server (server name changes on the final update). My ethernet adapter is due to arrive sometime this week, so hopefully I can resolve the issue one way or another, I want that shell... Swede 08-14-2001 06:09:15

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) fflintstone Profile I have posted this before, but it seems to be a recurring problem. For those of you trying to force an update from 1.0.x.x code. DO NOT just look at the crontab and set your clock ahead, do it the other way around, it will work much better. Go into the download settings (actions/Audrey options/download settings) and set the first time slot (top box) to at least 3-4 minutes ahead of the current time on the system (if you go into the datebook before doing actions, the system clock will be right at the bottom). The only potential gotcha is that the first thing the system does at any update is set the clock, so if your clock is off it will set it correctly and the upgrade might be missed (this same gotcha will almost always screw you if you try setting the clock to crontab). If you are on USB, don't worry, you can use the times on the left, just check the box and it will adhere to the individual times vs. every 30/60 minutes. Hope this helps. 08-14-2001 18:46:16

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) level42 Profile help!! :) i have a virgin audrey, 01.00.17.01 9/26/2000. i have a dsl modem with a netgear (rt311) router. i have set up the router to be a dhcp server, with the following 2 ip addresses as dns: 216.102.107.227 160.79.101.114 the audrey is set up to update at 9:21am. i set the time to 9:19am, and put it to sleep.. nothing... :) i cannot get to the web page at: 216.102.107.227... that is probably related to my problem... can anyone help? post or email if you can: bill@thewilsonfamily.net thanks! bill 08-17-2001 22:28:59

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) delphi Profile level42, If your update time in kcrontab is 9:21 set the current time to 9:21. If you set the time to 9:19 Audrey get the correct time from the internet and skip the update. Also, I was never able to reach 160.79.101.114 so I would recommend you set both dns addresses to 216.102.107.227 in your dhcp server and then power off Audrey with the power cord not the sleep button. Then make sure you can reach 3com.marimba.net, and marimba.3com.net for the shell updates, in the browser or the update won't happen. After the first long update you can use the 3 finger salute to force updates. Delphi 08-17-2001 23:45:27

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile Well, that was odd. I moved the server over to a dual PPro box which was generally not really doing anyway, but tends not to get rebooted. Turns out that it ended up "crashing" -- still processing ping and kernel functions just not running any user code. Can't say if the daemons multiplied until the memory was gone, or if it was some other feature of marimba that did me in. One of these days soon, I'm just going to take down my server -- please remember this is running off ancient hardware, on a DSL line which is capped to 128kB/s. 08-18-2001 00:46:10

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Scy, is the server still choking this morning? I'm trying to update a new Audrey. Thanks. 08-18-2001 07:04:51

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) scythic Profile As far as I can tell, the server seems to be running this morning. To recap - A. if you don't see the test page from the Audrey (or another machine) by hitting http://<my ip> Then my server choked again. B. If you can get to the test page by IP, but can't get to it by http://3com.marimba.net _and_ http://marimba.3com.com Then your dialup DNS is mucking with things C. If both the above work for you, and you STILL have problems with your Audrey it can be one of two things -- either the older audrey bugs (which might get resolved when I get some older files online, and can be worked around by clearing as much memory as possible), or something else unknown (send me email and I'll try to fix it). 08-18-2001 07:45:09

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) nsx11 Profile The server must be working because last night my Audrey did the final update to the shell version. jmb 08-18-2001 09:05:42

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile Sorry for the distraction, the server is working. Apparently the 3fingered "software update", although displayed on screen, doesn't appear to work when there was an "updating channels" notice up. I should have cancelled the channel update first. It's up to final, and is currenty doing the hacked/pterm update. Thanks again! 08-18-2001 09:53:16

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) twarnock Profile I successfully updated a uBid Audrey(Sept 2000 software) to the latest final version today. The instructions (above) were great! I did the updates over Ethernet (USB). Thanks to all that made it possible! 08-18-2001 17:58:13

UBid Audrey working (modified 0 times) Hugh_Jass Profile | Email In the process of running through all the updates with a UBid Audrey version 1.00.17.01. I'll post my setup just in case someone is setup similar. My setup is on a LinkSys router over Cable Modem using the using the 3C19250 adapter. I have DHCP turned off on the router so static IPs are assigned to all machines on the LAN. I set the Audrey's DNS to 216.102.107.227 for primary and secondary. Unplugged her for the network settings to kick in. Then used Sowbugs technique to force the update http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=3Com_Audrey&Post=37&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=ergo.99741547657808 Set the time to a minute before update time turned her off (not unplugged). She updated without a problem. 08-21-2001 13:19:12

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) royal Profile Just tried update but failed and too make matter worse i got a error while updating software notice. now my usb adapter does not work. it will not detect it. anyone got any ideas? thanks. i guess doing a full reset and restore is best anyone know to do this. please e-mail me at royalmonarchy@hotmail.com with any ideas thanks. just got the audrey today so please help me 08-22-2001 00:47:06

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) ravic Profile I finally figured out what was wrong with my audrey (1.0.17.xx) not updating. Looks like it caches the DNS server from the first internet connection. It would not take the new DNS servers i typed in after that. The only way to update the DNS after this is to setup your own DHCP server on the network and assign DNS settings for the clinet (Audrey) through the DHCP server. Then immediately after that my updates started. Hope this helps someone 08-22-2001 18:08:34

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) bitjockey Profile scythic, just upgraded 3 Audreys today...1st one took a while (had to absorb various info), other 2 were fast (under 20 mins each). Really appreciate your info and effort you've invested in making all of this public. I'm keen on turning 1 or more of my audrey's into a home automation control point. I have web-based software that I can control my house with....audrey's browser is a natural for accessing my HA system. bitjockey 08-22-2001 20:01:42

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) mr23 Profile bitjockey, Which HA software/system are you using? 08-23-2001 14:52:15

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile Echoing Mr. 23's interest, please elaborate (at whatever length you can stand to give us) in the HA thread started a while back. Several of us are very interested! http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=3Com_Audrey&Post=59 08-23-2001 17:28:26

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) MJ_2 Profile Not sure what happend to the DNS servers listed in this thread, but they didn't seem to work for me. I ended up with 63.172.195.4, and it worked great! Exactly as described here, and at http://www.3rdmoon.com/crusso/audrey/#How%20can%20I%20update%20my%20Audrey's%20Software? Nice work! Thanks! Except for those who use spaces in their urls... Gotta replace em with %20 instead. HTML.. Can't live with it / can't live without it.. Where's my Goper Server? 12-23-2001 02:10:52

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) tialoc Profile MJ_2, Nice work, I thought all of the spoof servers had dried up. I don't know who is hosting this one but he/she deserves much appreciation. I am now running shell after trying to update this think with CF cards for the past two weeks. Thanks for your post, I hope everyone who is having problems updating her will give it a try. TiaLoC 12-23-2001 09:34:56

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Vermifuge Profile | Email I must be missing something. Looking around i have found several ways to do this the two most common seem to be adding the DNS to the Audrey or if you have a router to do it by changing the DNS there. I have places SEVERAL ips for the DNS and tried many times with each! I CAN'T get the last update and i think i am going to go mad!? I am at the final update with no shell access. I amusing a 3com usb nic and i do have working net access. I have a Netgear RT314 router and i give my audrey the ip 192.168.0.15 when seting it as a static system. I have tried other ips but it make no change, i still can't update. can somone PLEASE help 01-28-2002 20:25:56

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) galt Profile Vermifuge, I just got the final+shell update to work! I have a linksys router hooked up to my cable modem. I didn't have to change anything on the router! It took a while but it did work. Use 66.17.16.112 for the primary and secondary DNS (be sure to unplug Audrey for at least a minute so these settings burn in). The first 3 updates were easy, the fourth one took a day, I think because the DNS was down. Today when I tried it went through. Good luck. There is a ton of great info on this site but you have to be careful to get the "latest" since some posts go back to August when folks were just discovering all this. Galt 01-29-2002 14:37:37

RE:Another hack, and how you too can partake. (modified 0 times) Vermifuge Profile | Email Galt, I think i was pushing a square peg in a round hole. The dns was working but the update site was down. when it was back up today i was able to update no problem and i have since added root access and shutdown to my options applications menu. Next up i was to ad a few basic applications like ACID and such. then i need to go and buy a CF card so i can back it up. P.S. I would of got a CF sooner but i opted to buy a real 3com adapter rather then a cheaper linsys and moding it. 01-29-2002 15:37:35

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