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New MessageBlue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) FlaGator
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I have a blue clipper IA-1 and have been able to get into BIOS setup by using the clear CMOS jumper idea.

The issues I have are:
1. The unit won't boot (hangs) if both IDE controllers are enabled. This prevents access to the Sansdisk when booting from the CF card. (Dolly can't find HD129)

2. USB HD - When using a USB hard drive formatted with a DOS/Win98 FAT, the drive is found and reported but the system hangs when trying to access it. Also My my 8MB DiskOnKey is not found at all. I have tried both the DUSE and ASPIUSB drivers with no luck.

Am I having hardware issues, or is there someone who has seen these and knows how to work around them?

Thanks for any help.

03-15-2007 11:08:54

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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Hi,

if you look at some other recent threats on this BBS, you might be able to find a solution.

I posted some usefull (I think) stuff on badongo.

Try http://www.badongo.com/fr/file/1456166

A couple of drivers in my config.sys make it possible to acces a USB harddisk or memory stick under dos. It does't work with my Silvercrest USB 2.0 256Mb. A 64Mb Medion stick works fine. A 64Mb pendrive works fine as well. Also notice that you can enable USB legacy support in the bios (for USB mouse to appear as PS2 mouse), and that enabling this might cause conflicts with other USB drivers.

regards,

Luc

03-15-2007 13:51:23

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) FlaGator
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Any ideas on getting both IDE controllers active without hanging at boot time?

I can boot either the internal SANSDISK or the CF card by enabling them individually in BIOS but the system hangs before the COMPAQ BIOS screen if both controllers are enabled.

03-23-2007 11:07:50

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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Hi,

I think compaq changed the bios in such a way that the internal sandisk is disabled when the system boots from a compact flash card. That way, they want to protect the IA-1 OS from being altered. They only disable the bios support for the disk. The primary ide controller stays enabled. Tools like dolly need the bios support to access a drive.

The tools I wrote accesses a disk trough the ide controller io adresses. They don't need the bios, so they can change the sandisk contents, even when the IA-1 booted from a CF card.

The moswr program rewrites the IA-1 NVRAM. That ram is used to save the bios settings. If you can boot into dos from the CF card, you can change the most important settings of your IA-1 without going trough the bios setup program.

My IA-1 sometimes hangs too if I went to the bios setup program with the cmos clear jumper trick. I don't think it was related to the fact that both IDE controllers were enabled.

If you follow the procedure I described in my upload to badongo, you should be able to write a new os image to the internal sandisk, so that it will start the new os from there. A CF card in the slot should be perfectly accessible, once you can boot from the sandisk. As I made 2 bootable partitions on it, you can experiment with one of them and use the other for disaster recovery.

regards,

Luc

03-24-2007 16:04:59

New MessageRE: Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) FlaGator
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Luc,

Your Disk programs don't see the SansDisk on my Clipper (blue) IA-1 and the boot selection in BIOS Setup doesn't make any difference. So when both IDE controllers are enabled it always boots the SansDisk.
I have a CMOS editor written by a Compaq engineer. Is it possible to change the boot selection by editing the CMOS or is it in NVRAM? My CMOS editor says that there is no NVRAM in this system. The location may have been moved from Compaq's standard locations.

Thanks,
Rick

04-01-2007 16:17:43

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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Hi Rick,

sorry to hear that my disk tools don't see your sandisk.

The cmos and nvram are two terms for the same thing. In the first generation of IBM compatible computers, it was a dedicated real time clock chip. When the board powers off, the chip gets supply from the small battery on the board, and keeps it's clock running and it's memory contents that way. Those chips usually have 128 bytes of memory. Only some of them are used to store the date and time info. The others are used by the bios, to store the settings that are made in the bios setup. On the IA-1, the real time clock is integrated in the VIA VT82C686 South Bridge chip. It has 256 bytes of memory instead of the 128 bytes on early PC designs.

So, if you alter the cmos or nvram bytes, you can change everything you can change in bios setup. Most programs that manipulate those bytes only save and restore the first 128 bytes. That's the reason I made my own tools to do this.

If my disk programs don't see your Sandisk, than there is a 99% change that the primary ide controller of your IA-1 is not enabled. The sandisk is the master disk connected to the IA-1 primary ide controller. The Compact flash slot is the master disk connected to the secondary ide controller.

Did you experiment already with the moswr.exe to change your bios settings? The files have the following meaning:
v2nusb1.mos

The first digit is the amount of memory used as video memory. (2Mb in this case)
After that digit comes a "n" or a "w". The n stands for no usb support, the w for with usb support. This parameter only tells you if the bios will support a usb mouse/keyboard or not.
The last digit can be either 1 or 2. Some bootable Compact Flash cards will only boot if you uploaded the version "1" to the IA-1, others if you upload the version "2". It depends upon the tool you used to make the card bootable.

The mos files that come with my package are extracted from my Blue IA-1's. It is possible that your unit has a different Bios version, that saves it's information in different bytes of the NVRAM (CMOS). In that case, the bios will revert to it's default settings, and will boot from the sandisk.

So, what I might suggest:

Step 1:
Do wathever is necessary to boot from the Compact Flash card, and run the following program.

moswr v2wusb1.mos

Step 2:
Reboot the IA-1. There are 2 possibilities:

1. It boots from the Compact Flash card.
2. It boots from the Sandisk or doesn't boot at all (hangs)

If you see issue 2, you should repeat step 1, but this time try the other file:

moswr v2wusb2.mos

If the unit boots from the Compact Flash card, you should try to run disktst 0 and see if your sandisk can be seen. If it can, you can reflash it.

Another problem you could have on your unit is a dead battery on the mainboard. If that's the case, your unit will return to the default settings every time you pull the plug. You can reset the IA-1 on 2 other ways without pulling the plug:

1. You can press and hold the power button for 4 - 5 seconds.
2. You can call the reset.exe program from the dos prompt.

Just let me know your findings on your IA-1 on previous issues. I am sure there is a way to get in.

regards,

Luc

04-02-2007 03:00:09

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) FlaGator
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Luc, I have gotten your Disk tools to work by editing CMOS to add in the missing primary HD after applying your V2NUSB1.mos file. It appears the MOS files don't change the lower CMOS locations 019h - 01Ch that contain the hard drive types for primary and secondary controllers. I used the V2NUSB1 file and then used the CMOS editor to added in the primary (SanDisk) value of 01Ah into 019h. I then rebooted and the DISKTST utility saw both drives(after booting I checked CMOS and the value I changed to 01Ah was changed by BIOS to 01h). I then used Ghost to back up the Sandisk with no problems. I then used Dolly to load Midori linux to the Sandisk. Presto, it boots into linux.

Cool,
I now have a blue clipper IA-1 (unhackable??) running Midori Linux!

04-02-2007 17:44:47

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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Hi,

as you also noticed, the bios changes some values in the cmos ram itself. My files are simply a dump of that memory. The disk geometry is filled in by the bios as well, the same way as modern pc boards auto detect their devices connected to the ata port. If I look into my file, I can see that the value at location 019h is also 1.

The important thing is that you managed to reflash your IA-1.

regards,

Luc

04-03-2007 02:47:29

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) smr123
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hi,

i tried to download http://www.badongo.com/fr/file/1456166
but meanwhile it was deleted

has anybody this file ?

i am looking for it, because i believe after reading this thread
this files could help me.

regards
stefan

11-15-2007 01:29:04

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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Hi,

I will put them back on badongo. Just a little bit of patience.

regards.

11-21-2007 13:55:26

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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I uploaded it back to badongo.

the new link is:

http://www.badongo.com/file/5241961

regards.

11-22-2007 01:16:57

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) brainhawk
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Hi Obcd,

although this thread is very old, i'll try my luck.

My unit is a blue, VDAB labeled 'unhackable' unit.
I managed get to the BIOS using the 'ekempen' way and got a DamnSmallLinux booting from a CF-Card.
But I would love to reflash the internal Sandisk with a FreeDOS and would like to get this "IA1FLASH.zip - Clipper sandisk flash utility" which is no longer available at Bodongo. Is there a way for you (or someone else) to upload this file again and make it available again?
Any help appreciated!

Best Regards

Brainhawk

02-20-2009 13:45:47

New MessageRE:Blue Clipper issues (modified 0 times) Obcd
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I uploaded it again

http://www.badongo.com/file/13523627

02-23-2009 00:14:47

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