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New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss
New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss

New MessageNew FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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Greetings yet again,

I have access to a Vadem Clio. This is a MIPS based CE HPC Pro platform (all MS office apps even pocket Access, IE 4.0, and the Clio has Calligrapher on it too). It has ALL apps on it.

My question is now somewhat obvious: Other than the registry, is there a directory structure that You want me to take and zip? Can we take the shell from it, replace the drivers with what the Epod needs, and make a NEW shell that is fully functional?

I am not a programmer, and need to know that me getting the whole thing will be worthwhile. Will not be too much problem getting it, but I want to make sure it is of some use.

Please reply quick as my window of opportunity is short to get what is on this little guy.


Got any questions or comments

Mail Me

03-12-2001 20:00:02

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Groch
I have a Sharp Mobilon and originally wondered the same thing. Its not that easy. Appearantly most of the system files and additional Microsoft progrms the Epods is missing are burned into the ROM of the Clio/Mobilon and cannot be copied. Otherwise several of the very smart folks on this board would have done it long ago.
03-12-2001 20:24:35

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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ooohh, yes, get it, I am sure some of the guys here can mess with it.
03-12-2001 20:24:38

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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The Sharp Mobilon has more than the Clio. Someone was looking for the registry earlier off of one.

We are kind of utilizing a lot of things that should be on the ROM, but we are going over that. That is why I was wondering.

Peter

03-12-2001 20:52:03

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) vagitizer
wiresless from my epod!
MISman I was the one to request the zip of your device. Get an image of the entire device, along with a copy of the registry seperate... and ftp it to my server ftp://24.18.138.95
Use the username epod and and password epod. I will work on it and post the results. You'll be the second to know if I get your email address.

vagitizer

03-12-2001 21:09:19

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) vagitizer
hold your horses... the previous post is correct... at least for now.. you can't get the rom files out of your device (or can you)... lets keep searching... we can overcome this. I know
03-12-2001 21:40:57

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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I believe you can get files off the ROM. You CAN see the Windows directory, and thus I can copy the files. I have a MicroDrive and thus, space will be a non-issue.

The largest issue I can see arising is that with the inability to re-do the flash, we will take up RAM for the programs. Might be a tight fit for those with the better video, in fact, it might be MANDATORY to have a CF card, but look at the payoff..... All apps, all updates. Could be a decent trade.

Peter

03-12-2001 22:12:34

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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Groch - Can you do it too? Might be valuable to have some comparisons when they are working on the shells, can compare.

Peter

03-12-2001 22:22:35

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
Hey sorry to burst your bubble but it is impossible to copy files out of the ROM. They are executable only there is no way to "copy" them you will receive an error message. You are better trying to get the platform builder build of the OS, but even then there is no way to get around the masked ROM boot loader for the current version of Windows CE as it is hard coded.

The only way would probably be to flash the ROM chips outside of the unit, and physically replace/resolder them into the unit.

03-12-2001 22:48:08

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) vagitizer
OK here's the deal. I know for fact, that PlatformBuilder CE3.0 will and can run on the epod. There are others on this board who can back me on this, not to name names for legal reasons. And no as-hole coments please (oh ya' prove it). Look, we are all in the same boat here. What we need is someone with enough experience to create a PlatformBuilder 3.0 build for this device. We also need the MS Suite of CE products.

The ROM on my epod says flash.. Guess what.. it's flashable. How we are going to flash it is another problem. But i've been doing some searching on the web... the linux on hand-held people have flashed the rom on other devices. There is also a page from someone who had a project on flashing the Philips NINO rom module, and getting linux running on that. He also mentioned that the rom module had to be removed to flash it. I would say that this is probably the case if we are going to get the additional functionality in rom. If we can get the programs out of another device in native format, and then into the epods with 32 meg. We just might have this thing licked.

look no one is truely happy without the rest of the MS suite of software. While it's a nice toy, )I worked on a contract last night while watching a movie), having this by my side as a PDA would be great!, calligrapher on a screen this size is awesome. Now lets get together on this and figure out how to get what we need onto the epod.

role..call!!!!!

Vagitizer
Scratch and sniff...

03-13-2001 10:21:18

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
I didn't say it wouldn't run, I am just saying that even if you can FLASH the ROM, there is no way the bootloader is going to be able to boot the new OS. All that DOC is custom for the 2.12 build.
03-13-2001 10:40:38

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) vagitizer
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Flashing the ROM might be a problem it looks like. This type of flash rom has features that make it difficult to comprimise. Here is the link to the intel site re: this rom
http://developer.intel.com/design/flcomp/prodbref/298188.htm
(and I don't know how to make it a link)
So, the trek continues
03-13-2001 11:31:05

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) NITF
http://developer.intel.com/design/flcomp/prodbref/298188.htm
03-13-2001 11:45:44

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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I remember someone trying to get DOC boards from ezex, any chance this may ever fly?
03-13-2001 16:29:02

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) JamesW
Nope, they said their contract prevents them doing this.
03-13-2001 17:33:39

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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Is it possible to get one, and get an 'image' of sorts that can be flashed onto our pods?
03-13-2001 17:58:13

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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Yeah, does someone here have a NadaPC SurfBoard? Do those have a CE3 image?
03-13-2001 18:37:03

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
What are you hoping to accomplish with version 3.0 that you can't do with 2.12?
03-13-2001 20:58:09

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
Just to follow up on that : even NapaPC Surfboards can't form ActiveSync partnerships, they too were designed to be websurf only devices.
03-13-2001 20:58:54

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) MISMan
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They also can not have shortcuts.... refer to other new thread.
03-13-2001 22:50:06

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) als123
I am looking for a defective Epods MB, which can be cut up and wired to read/write the flash module. I can get a
clean 3.0 (without the Nada limits).
03-15-2001 22:58:48

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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Really, and will this "clean" 3.0 run on an ePods?
03-16-2001 14:01:56

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) als123
Already tried that. It works! Can use both 16MB and 32MB.
03-19-2001 23:13:05

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) cestar
are you saying you have 3.0 running on epod?
how did you get it to work?

what are some of the benefit of running 3.0?

Thanks

03-20-2001 03:41:58

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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Holy cow, tell us how, we NEED 3.0

Better games, better emulators!!

03-20-2001 08:03:15

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) als123
3.0 on Epods .. it can run both 3.0 apps as well as 2.11 and 2.12 (just include the MFCE211 and MFCE212. It includes
IE 4 (still with no bookmarks). To be honest, it does not do much more than a full CE shell of 2.11. It is already
32K colors standard, even with 16MB. Everything is on ROM, so the 8MB flash is completely empty and available.
Lucent as well as Prism cards work including WEP. DHCP still dependent on the DHCP server. Have not seen anything
that worked in 2.11 that did not work in 3.0. Have not seen apps that are specific to 3.0! If you have specific
apps I can try it. May take a little time because of work!
CE3.0 is build 126, with memory at 15816MB (16MB) or 32196MB (32MB). Flash is still 8MB.
All in all, if you already got the 2.12 running, and the 32K color support, then unless you need the flash space, the
3.0 is not worth it at the higher prices!
Testing on EPods, involved just swapping the ROM/RAM card from unit to unit. The main board is exactly the same 1.2.
Still looking for where to get bad MB to cut up!
03-22-2001 01:00:36

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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How large is the ROM image for CE 3 that you have?
Will we be able to flash it into the existing ePods ROM?
03-22-2001 01:09:54

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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(Try out PocketSNES-- that's PocketPC)
03-22-2001 01:12:30

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) als123
Uses exactly the same type and number of flash chips, so the image is probably the same size.
03-23-2001 01:27:10

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) guac_a_mole
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Sorry to bump this back up to the front. Is there any news on the WinCE 3.0 shell? I would think that it would be able to run more programs than the current one.

Since we've learned through this thread that the rom is flashable, why can't we flash the rom with the missing dll's to make more 2.11 software compatible?


Made from 100% recycled electrons.
04-21-2001 12:32:41

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
It's more than a matter on missing DLLS, 3.0 is a whole new platform rather than just a few files, that needs to be rebuilt for this machine. and getting it onto the flash is harder than say flashing system bios or a modem rom chip. Theoretically even if 3.0 was able to be launched on the epods there is no guarantee it'd be compatible with any more software than it already is. Remember this thing was designed to be an internet appliance -- no more no less. The operating system components were just incidentals.
04-21-2001 12:51:33

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) PodPeople
Hope i'm not beating a dead horse here.. Why would it be so difficult to flash this puppy? are the chips protected (locked)?

Someone clear up my thought process here: build an SOIC adapter that clips onto the chip (piggy-back style), and with the appropriate programmer, flash the chip? could be used in reverse to suck the info out of the existing 3.0 build i read so much about.

used to work with cellphones, anyway.

04-21-2001 22:38:23

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Glitch
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PodPeople: The "flashing the chips" part is not what is holding things up. Most agree that this wouldn't be that hard.

Building the image from which to flash to the chips is the problem. From what I understand, there is much more to the flash image than a simple FAT file system. Otherwise, I'm sure it would have been done by now.

I haven't researched this myself, I'm going on the word of others that have posted here in earlier threads. HTH.


Glitch
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04-22-2001 06:40:25

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) PodPeople
but glitch :))

haven't at least a few ppl posted that they have a 3.0 image machine, or that one is available as a prototype model from the makers of the device (for ~ $700).

if one of the kind insiders could leak an image, or, if a 3.0 device could be jointly purchased..

btw., this is all about the theory here, not the law.

man, i would love to be able to run .vb and active sync correctly.

04-22-2001 22:13:46

New MessageI agree (modified 0 times) guac-a-mole
Yeah Glitch, ya lazy bum...you figured out how to solder 16 more MB of RAM, but what have you done for us lately? :)
04-23-2001 00:00:21

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Glitch
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What!!! You want me to work. I thought you kept me around because I'm pretty to look at .

I haven't done much with the ePods lately. Been too busy working on i-Openers, CF-01's, a Moniputer, a B&S Vanguard and soon some electroluminescent flat-panel kiosks.

BTW, the Vanguard is a Briggs & Stratton tractor engine and is giving me the most trouble <g>.


Glitch
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04-24-2001 16:02:36

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Calvin
Do you think the epods revolution is over? Or will any more big leaps of progress be made?
04-24-2001 16:18:48

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) pete
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I do not believe its over for Epods...just a lull. The CF-01 is nice but batteries still do not last long.
04-24-2001 16:51:36

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Glitch
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I agree with pete. ePods hacking will be going on for a long time. It is too nice of a platform for people to simply discard. I think that many of the "jump on the bandwagon" people will drift away. The same thing happened with the i-Openers. If you have checked out the i-Opener board lately there have been some great ideas lately. I've recently done the latest touchscreen and DC-DC regulator hacks.

I plan on completing my ePods docking bases once I get the engine parts and oil off my woodworking tools. I still think that someone will figure out how to get a PIM running on the ePods (the key has got to be in the registry entries). Someday I hope to get around to making a schematic of the audio out section. Maybe with some better op-amps and some tuning this thing will be able to make sweet music.

There is also the possibility of some great software to be written. A coworker and myself have been talking about using Altia and Rhapsody to create a custom front end for a home automation system. It might take us a year or two to do it, but it will eventually get done.

Nope, the ePods aren't dead.

PodPeople: I would love to see a WinCE3 image leaked. Even if it wasn't any better than what we have, it would stop the speculation. I would volunteer to put together a "group buy" for an CE3 prototype, but I'm probably too "public" for such a clandestine activity. However, I would be willing to make a donation to a nonprofit activity <g>.


Glitch
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04-24-2001 19:09:02

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) fpenguin
talked to one of the reps at eZex (http://www.ezex.co.kr/), the original maker of epods one. While he acknolwedged that it is possible to get Pocket PC into epods, he wasn't going to reveal the secret. I also talked to an engineer at another company who makes CE-based softwares, but he was very sceptical on how Pocket PC would handle epods' screen resolution, since most of PPC has half the resolution (correct me if i'm wrong). My questions to those who have succeeded in converting epods into PPC, then, are 1) how did you get PPC into epods, and 2) how did you find the display driver?
04-25-2001 18:47:50

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) dattguy
You couldn't get Pocket PC onto the ePods, but you may be able to get Windows CE 3.0 or the Handheld PC 2000 (H/PC 2000) O/S on it since it currently runs Windows CR for the Handheld PC Professional (a.k.a. H/PC Pro).

Good luck finding anybody who's willing to touch a device that's software licensing agreement has been broken though...

04-26-2001 05:11:03

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) PodPeople
PPC O/S would, of course, be the non-plus ultra... i'd imagine it's possible ezex might have compiled an epods version internally.

regarding screensize - i'd speculate PPC allows for resolutions other than the popular ones, just like previous versions of ce do.

04-26-2001 08:12:58

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) vagitizer
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If the rep was telling you that you can get P/PC version of CE on the Epod he was blowing smoke WAY up you a$$. It just aint' in the specs. I've talked with those guys over at EZEX in .kr. 6) thier english sucks and they can't spell worth SH*T, 2) it is true that they have a version of CE 3.0 available to purchase as an "evaluation" machine. 9) the "evaluation" machine only comes with Pocket Word, so your still in the same boat. 5) they will not devulge anything about flashing, if you want to have a flashable unit you have to agree to purchase in VOLUME!!! 4) According to Microsoft, and I called like 10 people over there, you can purchase the suite of Pocket apps. Contact Ingram Micro. 1) problem, Ingram Micro only sells to re-sellers.

Hope this helps... and yes for all you who have a butthole tighter than a pencil, I know my numbers from kindergarden!! It's a joke get it!!!


Vagitizer
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04-26-2001 14:04:55

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) guac_a_mole
Bleh, it's nothing that Glitch-a-saurus can't handle. I have faith.
04-26-2001 20:39:30

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) PodPeople
Glitch-

get either am ingram or microsoft part # for the pocket suite. i can purchase through ingram.

04-27-2001 00:07:46

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Glitch
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guac-a-mole: Thanks for the vote of confidence, but getting WinCE3 running from scratch on an ePods is a bit out of my league. If I had the skills/inclination/software to do this it would be done already.

There are "real" programmers/computer engineers that frequent this forum that have a better skill set than me when it comes to this kind of effort. I'm sure if they had the time/inclination to do a WinCE3 build from scratch that it would be done already.

The other option is to "lift" an already developed image from another device. There are people that have claimed to have such an image. I have no reason to believe that they are just blowing smoke. Chances are if they do, it is in conjunction with their job. I can understand why they would not want risk their professional reputation by doing this. I know that I am very careful with sensitive information relating to my job. I can understand why others would be also.

For now, the best I can do is sit and wait. Who knows, maybe someone is working on a CE3 build as we speak. They may not want to make it public until they are done (or even make it public at all).


Glitch
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04-27-2001 05:11:53

New MessageRE:New FULLY FUNCTIONAL Shell a Potential - Shell makers come and discuss (modified 0 times) Curious
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Anybody have information on obtaining replacement or reflashing the Rom module for the Vadem Clio. I have alot of bad modules.
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