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New MessageExtending Battery life (modified 0 times) Pete
Currently EPOD utilizes a 2700 mAh battery pack of what appears
to be 6 AA 1.2 450 mAh batteries. If I made one with 6 AA each having
1500 mAh for a total of 9000 mAh that should prolong battery time. Does
any one believe that the current amperage is too high for the EPOD?
03-23-2001 06:27:04

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) epodan
The amperage/current does not matter as long as you have the correct voltage. The epod will only draw a certain amount of current and with the 6 higher mAH cells it would last longer.
03-23-2001 06:47:41

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Pete
Glitch: Is it possible to unplug the battery pack while AC adapter is plugged in so that there is no memory loss?
03-24-2001 09:09:57

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Glitch
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Pete: Yes, I just tried this and it will work.

AFAIK, if you take six 1.2v 450 mAh batteries and hook them up in series you end up with a 7.2v 450 mAh battery. If you hook them up in parallel, a 1.2v 2700 mAh battery is produced. If you could use the same batteries to make a 7.2v 2700 mAh battery you would put those cold fusion guys out of business <bfg>

Upgrading the ePods battery pack is possible. The catch is using batteries that are compatible with the charging system. The NiMH technology that the ePods uses is actually pretty good. I'm not sure if LiIon batteries could be used. I believe they produce a different "per cell" voltage so it may be difficult to package them. I am by no means a "battery expert" so take what I say with a grain of salt.


Glitch
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03-24-2001 11:30:13

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Pete
<Glitch> So basically I would have to find at least 2700 or more mAh per 1.2 V AA. So far the largest mAh that I can find are 1500 mAh hooking those up in series would only give me a little bit more than half of what currently is utilized in the EPOD.
03-24-2001 17:10:28

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Glitch
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Pete: I'm probably misunderstanding something about how they rate rechargeable batteries. The state of the art for a AA NiMH is about 1600 mAh. I've always assumed that mAh stands for milliampere-hour. If this is true then my initial analysis is correct. If not, then shame on me.

Your interpretation is more in line with what I've seen advertised. The only thing that I can think of is that they let the marketing people write the specifications <g>.

In situations like this, I usually stop the thinking and start the building. If the packs that you build last longer, don't worry about why <g>.


Glitch
Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work
03-24-2001 17:56:24

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Holodeck2
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I hope I can help shed some light on this subject.
We all want longer running times, we can either reduce power consumption (Unlikely) or we can increase storage capacity. (DUH)
I’m not an EE and I don’t pretend to be but batteries are kind of my “specialty area.”

***Disclaimer*** Below information is presented to the best of my knowledge and you are responsible in how you use it. ***Disclaimer***
The examples are all theoretical with 100% energy transfer. Sadly 100% is not the way it works in real life.

This will take some time so get comfy.
Basics:
Hook batteries up in series = more voltage
Hook batteries up in parallel = more current
The E-pod I believe is running on 7.2V 1400mAh battery
FYI: sometime the marketing people write incorrect capacity for some batteries to make them look superior to their competitors and/or it only has that capacity under certain optimal conditions.
The mAh rating on the battery is the storage capacity it stands for milliamps an hour. The state of the art AA battery right now is 1700mAh (1.7A).
That means that you can draw 1.7A for an hour before it dies or you can draw 425mA for 4 hours before it dies, you get the point.
So, if you currently have 1400mAh battery in your e-pod and it lasts 8 hours, therefore it draws 175mAh
But if you replace it with a 1700mAh battery that means you can run your E-pod for 9.7hours, 1.7 more hours of surfing!!

Advance:
-NiHM batteries require special treatment or else they die quickly.
-Unlike NiCd batteries, which can take more of a beating, NiHM require regulated charging or else they develop hydrogen bubbles between its plates and inhibits it’s ability to hold a charge. (This is not a good thing)
-To charge NiHMs most chargers cut off the charge when it detects –DeltaV, peak voltage, and/or when it reaches the maximum time allotted for that particular battery to charge. Some battery chargers also cut off charging when it detects the temperature of the battery has reached a unsafe level (either too hot or cold)
-The problem with dropping in a battery pack with a larger capacity is that it might not reach that –DeltaV, voltage peak before the shutoff timer kicks in.
*The variable C is the Charge rate so 1C equals the current needed to charge something in 1 hour and C/4 equals the current needed to charge something in 4 hours.

Example: 1400mAh battery charges at 1C (1400mA) it takes 60min to complete so the shutoff timer is set to 61 min. The battery reaches it’s –Delta Voltage at 60 min then shuts off. if the battery doesn’t reach it’s –Delta Voltage before 61min then the timer will shut off the charge to prevent battery damage. This is normal and good.
You then drop in a replacement of a 1700mAh battery, and the charger setting stays the same. You charge the 1700mAh battery at 1400mAh so it should take 73min to complete but you run into the problem that it doesn’t reach the -delta in the allotted time of 61min so the shut off timer cuts in and you are left with at battery that’s 85.7% charged (1457mAh) This is bad and gives you only a few min of extra run time.
So, if Epod’s charging system had a timer it’s bad then we need to change its charge setting or build a whole new charging circuit before dropping in a new battery.

Some more stuff: the rate you charge the battery has an effect on it’s life. If you do a normal charge, usually 4-3 hours, and don’t abuse them you can get a good 500-1000 Cycles out of them
But if you use Fast charge, 1 hour or less, the life reduces to 450-600 charges.

Another thought. We can rip out the entire NiHM system and use Li-ion, some advantages are lighter battery, longer run time, and faster charge time. But the disadvantage is cost and the number of cycles it can go through. With 3.6V per cell for Li-ion we’ll only need 2 of them to power the E-pod.

There’s still some other stuff but I’ll leave you alone for now because most of you might be suffering from information overload.
I’m testing out right now and I will share results once they are conclusive.
There’ my 2 cents on the subject.
How much fun the simple battery can be


I mod anything I can get my hands on!
03-25-2001 13:38:23

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Pete
Tell me how it goes. The largest I could find were 1500 mH.
03-25-2001 22:15:50

New MessageRE:Extending Battery life (modified 0 times) Nigels
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I've only just got my ePODS, so maybe I'm being a bit concerned too soon, but I know from experience that I have to change the batteries of notebook computers every 8 months or so. Has anyone sucessfully done this on an ePODS? If so, what batteries were used (so that I can get a stock)

Regards to all

06-11-2001 04:01:56

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