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EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01
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New MessageEPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Stinger2
Hello Everyone,

I want to first start out by saying that I have been reading this board for about 3 months and I have learned alot about handheld computing in general, and the EPODS specifically. I am also not trying to sell anything, I just bought a new unit and I am excited about it!

Even though I have desperately wanted to "surf from my sofa" for the longest time, with the EPODS prices still over $300 on EBAY, I have not been able to justify buying an EPODS for its limited functionality in other areas and its less than stellar computing power. I have searched long and hard for a Win95 tablet PC that could do everything you all have been doing with the EPOD, plus offer some traditional PC functionality. I think I found just the ticket today on Ebay.

I just purchased a Panasonic ToughBook CF-01 touchpad handheld computer. It is brand new, still in the box, for only $395.00. It additionally came with a pretty cool docking station/tilt stand (the stand will be good because I plan to have this unit do double duty as a digital picture frame when not used otherwise). I am going to include some other specs below, but here is the EBAY link if you want to check out pictures/specs from this "ended auction".

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1225952225

Has anyone ever seen or played with one of these? I had not heard of them before. It is a discontinued model, but Panasonic still makes about 7 others in the line. I searched the web, the last "press release" I found from 1997 had this unit selling for $2500 without the expansion base. So I think I did pretty well on this, I can't wait for it to get here so I can set up my wireless network!

Specs and features:

Brand New Panasonic TouchPad Handheld CF-01 with Expansion Stand and FREE 56K PCMCIA Modem!

A Windows-Based 2.2LB Hand Held PC with Touch Screen!

Features:
AMD 5x86 133 Mhz CPU, 24 MB RAM
1.6 GB Hard Drive
7.8 " Color LCD w/ resistive film touch screen, 640 x 480, 65k colors
Lithium Ion battery, Ac adapter
FULL Windows 95
Pen Services for Windows v 2.0 with Handwriting Recognition!
Expansion Base

Ports on the Handheld:
Mouse/Keyboard
Serial Port
Infrared
2 PCMCIA Slots

Additional Ports on the Expansion Base
Floppy Drive
Additional Mouse/Keyboard Ports
Additional Serial Port
Parallel Port
External Monitor Port
One Additional PCMCIA Slot


That's all. Let me know what you guys think!

Ed

03-31-2001 22:57:46

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) osuuma
Pretty Cool Stinger!

I have something similar to this, called a Copernicus. Made by Sharp. About the same specs, but not as "tough" and no docking feature. I love my copernicus, it is my favorite computer. Sure the CPU is a little slow, but it is so cool.

You got a deal!

04-01-2001 02:07:31

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) PodPeople
i think i like the fact that my epod turns on and off without noticeable bootup/shutdown times. i like the relatively long battery life. i like the size and weight. it does what i need it to do, and i thnk some people miss the point when they complain that not every single desktop pc feature is crammed into one.

that said, yeah, i can see the day 5-8 years down the line when we'll have viable wearable ai w/ highspeed wireless internet.

04-01-2001 02:21:39

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
Nice deal and nice machine!
04-01-2001 05:56:48

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
Looks like a very interesting, if somewhat old, item. It apparantly predates the widespread use of WinCE (hence its Win95 O.S.), yet it's about the size/weight of an ePods. Virtually no info about it on the net, though, even on Panasonic's own website. Probably because they didn't sell many, I'd suspect, given the $2000+ price that it commanded at the time. I read one review that said its handwriting recognition was lousy, but perhaps more modern software can be installed. Anyone know more about this beast, or sources for info on it? It's definately got my interest.
04-02-2001 08:57:52

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Perplexer
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I can attest to the fact that the handwriting recognition in Pen Services 2.0 (?) for Windows is lousy. I have a Thinkpad 360PE (capacitive touchscreen) and find the handwriting recognition to be a novelty, not a tool. Unless you write your letters in precisely the size, shape, and stroke that the software expects, you'll get garbage.

When I first installed Calligrapher on the ePods, I nearly wet myself! Calligrapher gave me about 95% accuracy, while Pen Services was about 60%. Of course, I just made these numbers up, but it's about right...

04-02-2001 11:13:12

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
So, can Caligrapher be used on a computer that runs Pen Services?
04-02-2001 11:16:19

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) geekgranny
Stinger2,

I have a CF-01 coming any day now. I can't predict, though, when I'll be able to make some time to do some serious fool'n with it. ....... the big T day is fast approaching. WinXP Beta 2 will probably arrive on the 16th to present me with a dilema over which project to [re] or pickup.

At any rate, perhaps we can share thoughts, ideas, and experiences.

I'm also awaiting a Biscuit PC board and a harsh condition system [about the size of I-Opener] with a Bis-MB. Wouldn't it be just super if the board in the CF-01 is one that we can get some specs on!!?

BTW.....guys [including gals] , I haven't forsaken my beloved e-Bub.... I've been surfing with da Bub all evening, including two sessions in the "library".

Oh yes, a thought.... I'm wondering just how much battery time we'll get on fhe CF-01. That might tend to tether us a bit longer....but most of the time I'm sitting somewhere where I have my multiple power adapter "stations" set up.

Be well all

04-03-2001 23:12:16

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
I too have a CF-01 coming - so yes, lets share notes!
04-04-2001 04:12:31

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Stinger2
Hey geekGranny and busDepot,

I am definitely interested in sharing notes and experiences about the Panasonic CF-01. Mine should be here by Friday 4/6/2001. I read a GSA government review that said the battery life was only 2 hours. That should take care of my evening surfing on the sofa.

I scored my CF-01 on Ebay for $399. Where did you guys manage to buy/order yours and how much? If there are still more available at some source, maybe some others on the board may be intersted.

I didn't want to spend alot of money for wireless, so I ordered a Acer Warpling kit (ISA and PCMCIA cards, along with Sygate software) I know its only 1Mbs, but I am on a 56kbs dial-up connection so it shouldn't limit me.

Talk to you all soon.

By the way, geekGranny and busDepot, you can send me an e-mail message so we can communicate directly if you want. Mine is mattison91@yahoo.com

Stinger2

04-04-2001 07:42:00

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) geekgranny
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Hey guys,

I really think these are going to be a blast. I've been searching for info, too, without much luck. Would be nice to find more info; perhaps by maybe being persistent calling Panasonic for starters.
I got mine on eBay too, for $399. How about asking the seller for leads for info?
Hopfully, when we open them up, we'll find that we can do some upgrading....more memory for starters. I'd like to, at least, run win98 on it.
I.ve set up a new hotmail account for this "adventure". Address is <<< epodsgranny@hotmail.com >>>. I look forward to sharing this with you guys.
BTW.....the Panasonic website does have a couple of updated drivers posted early 2000.
<<< epodsgranny@hotmail.com >>>>


"Ah crapola....sorry for the multiple posts..." (Greenspark)
THEGeekGranny-epodsgranny@hotmail.com
04-04-2001 21:34:06

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
"How about asking the seller for leads for info?"

Tried that. He knows nothing. He got a few on a closeout but knows nothing about them. He has no spare parts, accessories, spec sheets, literature, etc. and doesnt know where to find them. And there is virtually nothing on the web about this unit. There are, however, updated drivers for video and pen software at http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/html/04b.htm . (The options for manuals etc. for the CF01 on that page come up "none found"; just some drivers.)

04-05-2001 04:58:13

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
"How about asking the seller for leads for info?"

Tried that. He knows nothing. He got a few on a closeout but knows nothing about them. He has no spare parts, accessories, spec sheets, literature, etc. and doesnt know where to find them. And there is virtually nothing on the web about this unit.

There are, however, a couple of updated drivers (pen software and video) at http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/html/04b.htm , with a posted date of January 2000. (There are also drop-down options for manuals, etc on that page, but when you ask for them for a CF01 they all come up "none found.")

04-05-2001 05:01:00

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
Here's another link for some info:
http://208.201.97.5/pubs/gbb/1998/0202/gbb-coverstory-2-2-1998.html#panasonic
04-05-2001 06:05:22

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
In Japan/UK known as "PEN NOTE" PC...ordered one too! Looks interesting...
04-05-2001 13:49:34

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
Here is the Japanese Link for the ProNote.

http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pc/prod/note/01xsaapj.html

04-05-2001 17:39:47

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
Hello,
I am also interested in this unit. I try to convince my wife to let me buy one, but I may have to wait a couple of months before I save enough money. The guy sells this on eBay now sets "But it now" to $410. I saw there were a couple of autions for CF-01 before, but no one bought it until last 4 weeks. I guess all buyers are here :) I hope it won't become too hot like ePod or Ricoh g-1200s then I can't offort it at all.
Normally I do reseach before I spend money on some unknown items. Here are some information I found on the net, I would like to share it with your guys:
1. The CPU is AMD5x86 133Mhz which speed is close to Intel Pentium 75
2. The battery life is around 2 hours, full recharge in 2 hours when power is off, 8 hours when power is on
3. IBM also OEMed it from Panasonic, the model is 2435-003
http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pc/thinkpad/tppen84/tppen84a.html
4. There are more Web sites related to IBM 2435 than Panasonic CF-01, but most of them are in Japanese, here is some interesting web sites:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/ohta/2435/batt.htm
http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~t-toku/gi2435.htm (it also has links to others to related IBM 2435)
If you cannot read Janapese just like me, use http://world.altavista.com/
to translate it to Engish. Translation is far from perfect, but it will give you some idea.

I also have my eyes on Qbe, it is fast and with CD-rom and WebCam but I think it is too heavy(6~7lbs) FIVA Tablet PC by Casio is light(1.88lbs) but too expansive(~$1600).

I have one question for your guys who bought CF-01: what is the audio type? Is it just a PC speaker, or you can install the sound card driver?

Cheers,

Leo

04-05-2001 20:51:18

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
I have the gentlemen's email. He will sell direct if you want instead of Ebay. His email is:Jeff Marchant <deals@luskmicro.com>. Any comments from those that received theirs?
04-05-2001 21:44:09

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Stinger2
Hello everyone,
I received my unit this afternoon!!
I am actually composing this message on my "on-screen" keyboard on the Panasonic.
I'll just start off by saying I love this machine. I don't have an Epods, so this webpad stuff is new to me.!
When I opened up the box, I was surprised at how small it is. It is really easy to hold inyour hand.
*** I also got a big surprise from the docking station: the dock has a floppy drive built-in! From the description, I thought it was just an FDD port.
My wireless equipment has not arrived yet, so I just decided to pop in a pcmcia modem and set up my ISP info. Win95 has only IE3.0 installed, and I surfed with that this evening. It doesn't like some javascript, but it renders the pages pretty fast, I was impressed!!! As far as battery life, I charged the unit for three hours, then I turned it on and popped in the modem card. I was able to surf for 90 minutes. Not bad.

That's all for now. This unit is going to be alot of fun. If the "suspend" function works well for instant-on, this could be my PDA.

Ed

04-05-2001 22:21:02

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
**** WAIT!! ****
**** WAIT!! ****
**** WAIT!! ****

Before a bunch of people contact this guy and drive the price up, I'm working on a large volume purchase for my business that could be modified to include enough for bbs members as well. This will mean a lower price. If a bunch of people start emailing, the price will go up instead. As you heard, it's already gone up $10 in the last week.

Be patient for about a day and if we're lucky some cost savings will result. I'll probably know by tomorrow afternoon whether the deal will happen or not, and I'll post a follow-up.

04-05-2001 22:32:47

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
Too late, I sent my email already. Sorry about that. Hope you can get a good price for us.

Leo

04-05-2001 22:52:02

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
Stinger2,
do you have to shut it down before put it on the dock station? or you can put it to suspend mode before dock it, or it is even better that you can direct dock it without turning it off?

Leo

04-05-2001 22:57:56

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Stinger2
Hey Leo,

Good news. The panasonic CF-01 can be put in the docking station in three different modes: "hot docked" (when the unit is running), "warm-docked" (when the unit is in suspend mode), and cold docked (when the unit is off). When you hot-dock it, any devices in or connected to the docking station can be used immediately without rebooting the system. If you want to remove it from the dock while running, there is a "new" option on the start menu "eject pc" that you select before removing the unit. It is similar to shutting down a pcmcia card before you remove it.

Hey, the UPS man just showed up with my wireless cards, so I need to get busy. Talk to you later. I guess I am not going to get any "real work" done today!

Ed

04-06-2001 09:29:10

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
It looks like a deal is going to happen. We came to a detailed verbal agreement; by Monday, money should have changed hands, at which time I'll consider it a sure thing. There will be a significant cost savings - not huge, but enough to definately be worth a few days wait. I'll update you all on Monday.
04-06-2001 11:31:33

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) epoder
I emailed him too -- didn't want to wait, he said he'd ship independently of the "deal". I should have one in my hot little hands by next Friday!
04-06-2001 11:55:49

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) pete
Epoder> please email me what you paid, I want to know how much I over paid. Thanks. pcalleros@ameritech.net
04-06-2001 13:39:52

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
Busdepot,

I definately will buy one. I had already contacted the ebay seller (there were two but only one replied) but if you can save me a few bucks more power to you. I can wait until monday to see at least. Good going and I love this site.

Pete B

04-06-2001 14:26:01

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) geekgranny
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On my do doG !!!!!! It just arrived!!! FedEx ground...took only 3 days.

It was delivered at 7:30 PM Central just as if it were a special delivery. FedEx always comes in the a.m. so I figured I'd have to wait some more.

Just opened first box, removed CF-01. It is tiny even by ePods standards. Screen same size as ePods but case around screen is less than 1" all around. Double boxed..boxes pristine as is just the one box I've partially unpacked (box with unit). Haven't done anything else ...................gotta run!!!!!!!! (and you know why)

CHEERS


"Ah crapola....sorry for the multiple posts..." (Greenspark)
THEGeekGranny-epodsgranny@hotmail.com
04-06-2001 17:48:30

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Durnik
BusDepot: Put me down as a candidate for a purchase. E-mail is "Durnik_Bob@hotmail.com". Can't wait to hear from you.

Bob

04-06-2001 17:58:30

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) FDAMAN
BusDepot-

Sign me up for one if you can get them for $300-$325...

fdaman@msn.com

04-06-2001 18:12:50

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) FDAMAN
Busdepot-

Make that $350.00 for one unit...thanks - I hope this all pans out~

FDA

04-06-2001 19:39:56

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) geekgranny
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Quick check-in...battery is charging right now. So far great.. Didn't mention I tripped over an extention cord trying to get downstairs and out to the big locked gate to catch the delivery person in case a signature was needed. Wasn't... Have a couple of nice rug burns on knees and neck and back are complaining. Was gonna say I feel kind of like a teenager with skid burns on my knees....but back then my body wouldn't be complaining so much.

This baby is loaded!!!!!! Only 2 things are missing so far. There is no sound card or speakers but that can be easily taken care of with a PCMCIA card and headphones or small (or large) speakers. Only time I would want speakers is when it's attached to docking station. Remember that the unit has two PC slots (Type 1 or 2 but not 3 -- 5 or 12 volt) and docking station has one. All can be used at same time. No USB but who wants anything dangling off of this tiny thing anyway.

What little I did with Win 95 was very speedy. Boot up is ... I didn't count... but amazingly fast!! I haven't put a network card or modem in yet cause I'm working on syncing some other gadgets and I want the battery to get a full charge before I mess with it any more.

You can run it sans the docking station without the battery inserted powered directly from power adapter. But I don't want to do that for long as I might pull out cord in middle of something and screw up the clean install of Win95. Win95 setup was very brief. Screen keyboard can be a bit tricky until you realize what it is doing. There is a space at top of keyboard that displays what you are typing. After you get info right you hit okay for it to copy it to the sign up screen. I haven't done any other data entry so I don't know how it behaves with like a document or message, etc.

Here's my list, so far of extras I'm going to get first off.

--Extra power adapter so that I can leave the original hooked up to the docking station. (I probably have one that should work already)
--PCMCIA sound card.
--A couple of extra batteries and find, or make, or adapt one I have, to charge and trickle-charge the extras. (BTW... the battery is very accessible for putting in and taking out. In fact every thing is extremely accessible!!)

**I have extra ePod cases but they gobble this little thing up. In fact I have boo-koos of cases but all of them are so much larger than this. (I would like to call it something other than CF-01....that is so???? ......and a hassle to type.)

Gonna hobble,


"Ah crapola....sorry for the multiple posts..." (Greenspark)
THEGeekGranny-epodsgranny@hotmail.com
04-06-2001 20:53:14

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) geekgranny
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Forgot to add,

If you go to the link in first message you will see a picture of a blue CR-01. My unit is a very nice dark slat grey. I expect they all are. So if you are concerned with decor... should work with just about any decorating scheme. This little dude looks very serious and professional...nothing toyish about it.

She hobbles off......

04-06-2001 21:07:39

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
Busdepot

Just wanted to add my email addresses. I will take a cf-01 for anything up to the going rate of $410. I just hope I don't miss out waiting.

Pete Borders

tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us
pw.borders@verizon.net
pwborders@worldnet.att.net

04-06-2001 23:34:54

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pat The Hack
Okay, busdepot, I'm holding off til you post details, but you say by that time money will have changed hands - does that mean that you are buying all his stock and we must purchase from you? I'm just unsure what the plan is... Can you post details soon? Thanks...
04-07-2001 01:25:27

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Stinger2
Hello all,

I just wanted to let everyone know that the more I play with this CF-01, the more I like it.

After about two hours of tinkering, my wireless network is up and running!!! I have three PC in a simple network (A pentium 450 desktop) ( A Pentium 233 laptop) (and of course my little CF-01). They all see each other perfectly well. I used my desktop "shared cd-rom" drive this morning to install Office 97 (I thought Office 2000 and IE 5.5 would be way to resource hungry) suite on the CF-01 while I was sitting on the couch. The Acer Warplink is quite satisfactory for my needs. Surfing with IE 4.0 is not bad at all. I transfered my favorites in from my desktop and I cruising. I ordered a pcmcia cd-rom off Ebay, which I plan to install in the pcmcia slot on the docking station. It is really shaping up! the battery lasted over 100 minutes during surfing and software installation today. I am happy with that. I just want about two more batteries and a separate charger. We need someone to speak Japanese and find us those items!

That's all for now!

Ed

04-07-2001 11:57:02

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) lensman
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busdepot,

I'd like one of the Toughbooks.

You can email me at:
kunichika_mark@cygnifi.com

Thanks,
lensman

04-07-2001 13:59:17

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) FDAMAN
Busdepot -

Any news?? I'm ready to take one of the CF-01's off your hands...:0)

FDA

04-09-2001 10:02:03

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pete
<geekgranny> Hope you are feeling better. Have you opened yours up yet? I just updated my notebook HD to 18 gigs and have a spare 6.5 gig HD that I would like to install in the CF-01. Think memory is updatable to 128 megs...have you looked to see what type of mem modules it uses yet? Mine is coming this week....
04-09-2001 10:35:43

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
Pete,

It is very doubtful that the CF-01 can handle 128m of memory. It is based on the 586 chip which is 486 pinout based. That means the CF-01 probably has a pretty normal 486 motherboard which generally can't go over 64m max. There is a japanese site that had pictures of the internals and the memory module which is 16m. If we could find a compatible 32m module we could go to 40m, that is probably the best we can hope for.

On the hard drive front things look better. Since it came with 1.6g and there was talk of a 4g model we should be ok with drives up to 8g with luck. Also from what I have read it takes a 12.7mm high drive which is easy to get and a little cheaper.

Of course all of the above are educated guesses based on web sites, until I get one in my hands I can't be sure of anything.

Pete B

04-09-2001 10:45:39

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
I got that backwards. The japanese site states that the removable memory module is 8m and underneath it on the motherboard is 16m. That would mean if we can find a compatible 16m modue we could have 32m total. Also there is the possibility of 48m if we can find a 32m module. Physically the module is one that I have seen in other laptops, the problem will be identifying the actual ram type and speed to find a compatible module from another system.

Pete B

04-09-2001 16:12:55

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) SnappleBoy
Put me down for one. You can reach me at jsteehl@hotmail.com.
04-09-2001 16:39:42

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
After digging through Micron's web site these are the most likely modules to work in the CF-01. The main issues we need to identify are if the system supports EDO memory and if it suports 5v or 3.3v memory. Once I have a cf-01 in hand more information can be decerned from the actual module already installed. Also, once the correct modules are identified we may be able to find memory surplus for another machine at a much better price.

Pete B

Crucial page (micron memory retail sales):

http://www.crucial.com/store/ListModule.asp?module=72-pin+SODIMM&x=14&y=1

04-09-2001 16:46:43

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp
To Geekgranny or Busdepot

Could one of you that actually has a cf-01 find a memory / system test program and see what it says about the memory currently installed. Mainly we need to know if it is EDO or FPM, that is probably about all that software can tell. There might also be some useful information during the boot sequence if you watch carefully.

Pete B

04-09-2001 16:49:33

New MessageHere's the promised deals on CF-01's! (modified 0 times) busdepot
Okay, folks, the deal is happening! As promised, not a huge discount but, I think, enough to have been worth a short two-day wait.

First of all, my apologies for breaking the "no-for-sale-ads" rule. I promise it will be my first and last for-sale post. But clearly it is topical, people have been waiting for this news, and I think it's neccessary as a starting off point for making the CF-01 a viable alternative to the ePods. We need to hit a "critical mass" (CF-1's in the hands of a bunch of people) for a real dialog about hacks, mods, etc. to begin. That's what got the ePods forum going. This will, I hope, be the first step toward the same thing happening with the CF-01.

To bring those up to speed who have not been following this thread, the CF-01 is an ePods-like device that runs true Windows and has a real Pentium class processor and a hard drive. More information is here. Panasonic/USA sold them primarily to government/industrial users but discontinued them about two years ago. There apparantly was a deal struck to offload the remaining inventory to Europe at a reduced price (about $500), but the deal fell through at the last minute, leaving the middleman stuck with the remaining units. Those are the units that are now turning up on eBay. They started out at $395, then $399, now $410. Doubtless if everyone here had flocked to eBay last week as started to happen, they'd be up to $450 by now, as clearly the supplier has been gradually raising prices in response to increasing demand. (To his credit, he really hasn't been gouging, though; even his present $410 price is quite reasonable for what it is, I think.)

After using my CF-01, I determined that it would be ideal for use as point-of-sale and inventory terminals for my business, and decided to contact the distributor about a volume purchase. It then occurred to me that if I were to increase the order to include enough units for interested people on the ePods forum, it might be a win/win situation. Not only could folks in this forum benefit from a better deal, but the additional quantity would put me in a better negotiating position, hopefully saving me money on the ones I keep. (I'm a buyer by profession, in the automotive field, so negotiating quantity deals with vendors is something I do all the time.) So I approached the seller with an offer.

He agreed, but with one stipulation. He doesn't want to impede his ability to sell them for $410-plus on eBay. This is perfectly understandable; why should he want someone undercutting him on his own product! So while he knows that some of the ones I am buying will be passed around to other users (I was upfront about that), he wants it done discretely. For example, I'm prohibited from selling them on eBay (which is fine with me; I really don't want to go into the computer resale business anyway). As long as he doesn't feel like our little deal is costing him sales that he could have made at $410, he doesn't care. So don't do anything stupid like rubbing his nose in the fact that you're getting a better deal here, or bugging him for tech support or advice (neither of which he can offer; he has no tech resources or spare parts; I already asked). Otherwise he could decide to see how tightly he can enforce the non-competiton agreement, and try to put a stop to this. That would give him the monopoly again, allowing him to set his own price.

So the price here is $345.00, as opposed to $410 on eBay (or $3000+ originally!). As I said, not a huge savings, but significant. This also happens to be about what you can sell an ePods for on eBay, making an "upgrade" to the Panasonic nearly an even swap if you choose to do so. This price includes both the unit and the optional docking station (which is also a stand and floppy drive), both brand new in factory sealed boxes and apparantly with original Panasonic 3-year warranty. The CF-01 does not normally come with a modem, but I got a bunch of 56k modem cards that I can include for just $10 more (OEM pulls, new but sold as-is). Most of them are the nice "dongle-less" 3com ones where the phone cord just connects right to the card. To simplify shipping, I'm going to make it a straight $15 anywhere in the U.S., $5 for each additional kit. (Each kit is actually in two boxes, one for the unit and one for the docking station.)

HOWEVER, this price will not be ongoing. I had to pay cash up front for these units, and it's tying up a lot of my money. While I'm not selling them at dead cost, I'm not selling them at a huge markup either. Strictly from a business standpoint, doing this was stupid; I took money out of my company's operating funds, where it makes a much better profit, to spend it on a bunch of low-markup 2-year-old computers. My wife thinks I'm nuts, and I have to admit it doesn't make much business sense. But there's no harm done if I turn it back into cash pretty quickly, which is my intention. So those who help me do that get the $345 price. After a week or ten days, I'll probably up it slightly to make you stragglers pay for tying up my money. That is, if there are any left by then; at some point I'll run out and then it'a back to eBay for $410-plus.

The units are now in FedEx's hands now and will reach me in a week. If you email me, I'll reserve a unit (or units) for you, and p-mail you with payment instructions (money order, paypal, or COD with deposit). That can all be kept off of the board since this is really not the right venue for handling such transactions. Please use a subject header of YOURLASTNAME CF-01 so I can keep track of the emails. If they sell out, I'll honor the requests first come first served.

My email address is tech@busdepot.com . (Incidentally, that's also my ebay user name, if you want to check my feedback to reassure yourself that I'm not a scam artist. Then again, as many of you know, I've been a contributor on the epods bbs for quite some time.)

By the way, I'm really anxious to see what can be done with these CF-01's! With all this baby can do right out of the box, I can only imagine what some of the sharp minds on this forum might be able to come up with!!

04-09-2001 18:46:15

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) walker
Sounds like something I'm really looking for. But before I go for it, what's the consensus of all the veterans on this board??

Thanks for helping me make a decision for going for the CF-01.

04-10-2001 07:40:50

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) SnappleBoy
One thing I like about the epod is that it is dead quiet and you don't have to wait for boot up or shut down.
Is the CF-01 as quiet (does it have a fan)? Would you ever need to shut down the OS if you have it docked most
of the time (ie the battery does not die)?

I assume if it will work with Win98 that we can use the power saving options to suspend and wake it up.

I will keep my epod but this looks good as a kitchen counter top unit.

SB

04-10-2001 09:19:23

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
SnappleBoy:

The CF-01 does not have a fan and is silent in operation. It has a suspend mode, so you can use that each time instead of shutting it down, and it seems to take maybe 5-10 seconds to "wake up" from that. It also has an "undock" button that allows almost instant use when you "hot" undock it. As you said, as long as you don't let the battery go totally dead while it is not plugged in, there would really be no reason to have to shut it down other than typical maintenance, installing software, etc. Just take it in and out of suspend as needed.

Regarding upgrading to Win98, the only caviat that I been told is that if you install the Win 98 clean (as opposed to doing it as an upgrade from Win95) you lose the Pen Services (handwriting/pop-up keyboard) feature, whereas if you install Win98 as an upgrade the Pen Services stays on it. (Although perhaps you could use an app-mover program to move Pen Services off of the CF0-01 and then back onto it afterwards.)

Walker:
The veterans on the list can't answer you because they're all busy ordering CF-01's for themselves.

04-10-2001 10:32:41

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
I should perhaps clarify that since it does have a real hard drive, you will periodically here the sound of the hard drive accessing a file. So I guess technically you couldn't say that it's completely silent.
04-10-2001 10:35:46

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Cesar
I have a couple of questions. What is the cheapest way to get this device networked (wireless)? I have a 10MBps LAN. What type of software/hardware would you use for Home Automation (IR/RF/X10)?

Anything else you can think along those lines?

Thanks,

04-10-2001 12:52:14

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) mfkap
I saw that someone previously mentioned that if you do a fresh install of win98 you loose the pen services. I just checked out the panasonic website and they have the pen services available for download: http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/html/04b.htm . Just choose your model and win95/98, and the CF-01 Pen software will come up.
04-10-2001 13:04:39

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) pete
Cesar...I am using Homeseer and it works very
well with most if not all X-10 stuff has a client and WEB interface....works good with my EPODs u can find it at http://www.keware.com
I have a wired 10/100 switched network and also WAVELAN 1000 Bridge using Bronze (2M), Silver (11M) and Gold (11M) cards. All work well together. The Homeseer also has Voice recognition and the newest version supports both X-10 AC line interface and MR26A (wireless interface for instant updates)...
04-10-2001 13:09:52

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Sniff
This thing sounds pretty cool but I have a couple question for those who have one already. How is the quality of sound output? It does have an external sound jack doesn't it? Though I haven't read anywhere about such a feature other than how it has sound adjustment buttons. Second concern, how is the display? Since it's not active matrix, how is the viewing angle on this thing? If I put this thing in my car in place of my car stereo, (who listens to radio anyways right?) it would need a pretty wide viewing angle.
04-10-2001 16:23:09

New MessageRE:sound on cf-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
Regarding the sound, there ain't much to write home about. The only sound control I noticed is an audio on/off switch on the front panel, and the sound seems to come from internally. No audio or headphone out jack. Short of adding one internally, the best option to improve sound might be a PCMCIA sound card, because as it's shipped it's clearly not intended as a hifi unit. (Remember, it has 2 PC card slots, not one, so you could add a soundcard without taking up the slot you're using for your network card or modem.) Regarding use on a car dashboard, I haven't tried it but would wager a guess that it would tend to wash out like an ePods in bright sunlight. Then again, supposedly they were used on police cruiser dashboards so it must at least be useable in that application. (Haven't seen a sunny day here in days so I can't test it. )
04-11-2001 04:33:07

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) oturn
Pen Computing Magazine had a previous review of the CF-01, but the article wasn't on their web site. I called their editorial office and they posted it for me...within an hour of my call!

They were very impressed with the unit. I'm looking forward to receiving mine even more now!

http://www.pencomputing.com/PenWindows/hardware.html
http://pencomputing.com/frames/pana_cf01.html

04-11-2001 15:03:22

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Groch
Thanks Oturn, I saw the same reference on their site but didn't think to call them. I am excited about getting mine as well. Not to replace the Epods, but my Mobilon may see Ebay soon.

Question: Any ideas on a place to take this topic that is more fitting, a mailing list perhaps. I think once they arrive there will be some discovery going on and I don't feel right using Epods space for it. I am not sure there will be enough CF-01s enough available to warrant our own section on this board, though the MSN Companion spot looks vacant;)

04-11-2001 18:59:27

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Glitch
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Groch: I've been thinking the same thing. I'm guessing that there will be enough traffic to justify a separate section for the CF-01. I will drop Ken an email and request it. I will suggest that the it be put next to the ePods One General Post section.
Glitch
Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work
04-11-2001 19:08:50

New MessageRE: Separate BBS Section for CF-01 (modified 0 times) busdepot
I think there certainly will be enough traffic to warrant it, if not right away then certainly in a week or two when everyone starts playing with their CF-01's and starts posting their ideas. Also, don't forget the additional several units per week that people are buying on eBay for $410; some of them are bound to join us as well. We're likely to see heavy traffic initially as people start figuring out what this thing can do, and then of course it will eventually die down just as the epods one has. It sure couldn't get more dead than the MSN Companion bbs, though.

It would definately be nice to have the convenience of a bbs, with its search features, easy access, and easy to follow threads, rather than a mailing list. It would also encourage more active and widespread participation than a mailing list would. I really hope Ken will agree to it.

04-11-2001 19:27:05

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Glitch
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I've written a request and sent it off to Ken. He has responded to past requests in a very timely manner. I would guess that he will in this instance also.
Glitch
Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work
04-11-2001 20:08:42

New MessageRE:EPODS alternative: Panasonic Toughbook CF-01 (modified 0 times) Glitch
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The new Panasonic CF-01 forum is up & running.

Go here to take a look.


Glitch
Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work
04-11-2001 21:27:59

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