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New MessageThe Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) Billings
I tried a Buslink USB external hard drive -- but unfortunately it requires a driver to operate. Installing it on my desktop it installs a USB - IDE driver but no such drivers are available for Windows CE devices. I tried installing the driver for a microdrive just as a wild chance and it accepted it, but then the machine locks up before you can do anything causing you have to reset.

Adaptec makes a PCMCIA SCSI adapter which can reportedly be used with external SCSI devices. I think it is #1460, but the driver is for Windows CE 2.11 and I tried installing the driver from the web site before I try to buy the card, but it wouldn't install.

The Iomega Clik drive might work, but at only 40 Megs a disk it just doesn't seem worth the effort to make it work.

The microdrive is nice, but a battery hog from what I've heard, and kind of pricey for the amount of storage you get.

I saw one called the EXP HD Traveler which was about $300 for 20 Megs, and it was completely powered by the PCMCIA slot, I don't know if this one required drivers.

Anyone have any other ideas for storage on the epods, besides CF cards?

01-06-2001 14:49:39

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) Glitch
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Billings,

I've installed the Adaptec 1460 driver by manually copying the cab file to the ePods and double clicking it. The driver install complained about the OS version, but it let me install it anyway. The sparrow.mips.R39 is the only cab that would install (which make sense).

I've only tried a 1 GB jaz drive and it was not recognized. I may have an old external SCSI hard drive laying around to try, but it may take some time to find it.


Glitch
Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work
01-06-2001 16:12:53

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) Citizen+Kane
Compact Flash versus Microdrive !! very long post.

Which is better ? I've read all the three threads that deal with microdrives but none of the information seems definitive.

Power Consumption
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I would love the microdrive and dont mind the one-time price hit for the 340 MB disk. however, i've heard reports about power consumption going from "microdrive will give 15% less time than CF memory" all the way to "microdrive sucks the battery dry".

Any feedback by users ?

Physical Misalignment
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From what I've heard, the microdrive does not fit perfectly into epod's CF slot bcos of mechanical design problems with the ePod. The CF memory modules dont seem to suffer from this. I am comfortable with opening the pod and taking the door out.

Usage pattern
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I want the microdrive for mp3 usage :) I've got 6 gigs of mp3s. However this option is tied to the power consumption question. Music implies continuous access to the CF media which means that the microdrive could run down the battery.

Speed of usage
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Which one is faster ?

A quote from the IBM site http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/datasheet.htm
"With a maximum sustained data rate exceeding 4 MByte/sec, the IBM Microdrive provides a significant performance improvement over current flash memory". Specs indicate sustained thruput = 2.6 MBytes/sec (min) to 4.2 MBytes/sec (max).

DSCM-11000 1 GB CF+ Type II 3600 RPM
DSCM-10512 512 MB CF+ Type II 3600 RPM
DSCM-10340 340 MB CF+ Type II 3600 RPM
DMDM-10340 340 MB CF+ Type II 4500 RPM
DMDM-10170 170 MB CF+ Type II 4500 RPM

For SanDisk CF: between 4.0 MB/s to 6.0 MB/s for a burst. Not clear what the sustained thruput is. Source: http://www.sandisk.com/download/mmc.cf2.pdf

Interoperability between CF Type I and CF Type II
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CF type I cards (3.3 mm thick) are designed to fit into all CF type II slots (5.0 mm thick) but not the other way around. Type I and Type II are electrically identical. Source: http://www.compactflash.org/faqs/faq.htm

All microdrives are Type II.
Most memories modules are Type I.

Physical mishandling
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Microdrives - can do 175 G (for 2 ms) while in operation; 1500 G (for 1 ms) while not in operation. 175 G is like a drop from a few inches above ground while 1500 Gs is close to a 7 foot drop. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/datasheet.htm

CF memory modules are designed to withstand 2000 Gs i.e. 10 foot drop http://www.compactflash.org/faqs/faq.htm#shock
Kingston can withstand 1,000Gs of shock. http://www.kingston.com/flash/compfl.asp#prod

I need to decide between 340 MB micro and 128 MB Kingston.

A big thanks to all the guys who've made this hacking so accessible.

01-21-2001 08:10:44

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) Sinner
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Have you looked at the Sandisk TypeII PCMCIA storage solutions?

I can point you to a guy who has the 440 meg cards at around $250.

To pricey for my ePods project at this time (way to many projects), but I think it is a good alternative.

01-21-2001 08:21:33

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) Phillerup
I have some PCMCIA linear flash cards. ANy idea how to make them work in CE? MS's site says they are compatible with CE but I dont know where to get a driver
Thanks
-Bill
04-12-2001 21:05:51

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) whack-a-mole
I have a 340MB microdrive [ibm oem] that works just fine. For mp3's, be aware that the internal speaker is okay, but the headphone jack is incapable of producing a signal loud enough for a cassette car adapter. Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out how to do this [i.e. Glitch]. To put the microdrive in, you simply open up the case and remove the door [it pops right out], then put it back together and the card fits right in. The microdrive makes a minimal amount of noise [you only hear it in a quiet room], but is a little slower than the internal storage. I still think it's better than a CF, because $ per MB is higher.

If anyone has a solution re: the headphpne jack I'd be very interested.

04-12-2001 23:23:22

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) webdaemon
I saw an ad in a computer magazine within the last few months for headphones with a built-in amp. I don't remember which magazine or the name of the product. And I don't know how an external amp will perform as far as sound quality. It ran on a lithium watch or camera battery.
04-13-2001 16:44:20

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) zhensel
The headphone jack also produces quite a bit of noise. For some type of in-car mp3 system you'd want to buy a noise filter as well (they have some at radio shack et al). I'm not really sure about your assertion that it doesn't have enough volume for in-car use though. My CD player doesn't go much louder than the epods when hooked up to headphones yet works fine in the car at half-volume. I'll hook the epods up with a cassette adapter later and see what happens.
04-14-2001 14:25:02

New MessageRE:The Quest For Cheap epods Storage (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
I have hooked mine into the car stereo with a tape adapter. I had to crank it pretty high and there was audible static. Also, it depends on the volume of the mp3, some with louder volume sounded good. The quieter files are the problem for me.
04-14-2001 19:27:40

New MessageNow that this is completely hijacked... (modified 0 times) whack-a-mole
I couldn't pipe it out to any source with any success...i tried a home stereo, 2 cars and a receiver. All had to be cranked way up regardless of the volume of the file resulting in way way way too much static (and an eardrum-burstingly loud boom when I shifted back to radio without changing the volume back.) Maybe Glitch-a-saurus can be of help.
04-14-2001 20:50:57

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