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CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) UUGib One man's opinion on what to do with the ePods: I think this is pretty on topic, since we are all a bunch of hackers playing around. Hopefully most will have a spare machine around they can test with. Anyway, here's my setup: ePods with the full CE shell Cable modem and a home network Spare computer (166MHz, 256MB RAM) running Win2000 Advanced Server (pretty slow from the console) Cabletron -- now Enterasys -- 802.11 wireless LAN card I already had the 802.11 card working with the CE shell, and it was okay. Just okay... surfing was kind of slow, and a lack of apps (plus not being able to set up an ActiveSync partnership) diluted the fun. This morning I enabled Terminal Services in Application Server mode. WOW! What a difference. All of a sudden the ePods is flying! Web pages, even ones with complex tables like this board, are snapping up on the screen. And I've got access to all of my desktop apps just like they were loaded directly on it. Since the client doesn't do any processing it's a perfect solution. I was even doing some simple 3D modeling from the ePods! It seems much faster from the client side than it does from the console, too. Not sure if that's because I am expecting slower response from the ePods, or it just works better. I can't think of any better use for it. I highly recommend it, if you have the time and the resources to do it. It's awesome. Just my $0.02... Hope someone finds this useful. -- Patrick The CE Terminal Server client is available here at Microsoft's web site. It's in the HPC download section. 01-15-2001 14:35:25

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Smakz Profile Totally agree.. I've been using terminal services with the wireless 802.11b, and, it ROCKS. Much faster for surfing. 01-15-2001 14:39:21

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Groch This sounds very intriguing. It would seem the hang up for most folks is the 2000 Advanced Server software which does not sound cheap. Are there any other alternatives (other forms of NT or Linux etc.) that might provide the server functions at a lower initial investment? What does 2000 Advanced server cost anyway? 01-15-2001 14:45:50

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) theisgroup You can use just plain win2k server. terminal services are available for both win2k server and advanced server. Also if you use metaframe(Citrix) you can get sound to work through the connection as well. 01-15-2001 14:56:36

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Rich I have no experience with Win 2000 but am desperate to get something like Terminal Server going so I can surf faster on the ePods and use other programs. I tried searching for "Windows 2000 Advanced Server" on price engines and all I seemed to get were 10 or 25 Client versions that were extremely expensive. Does anyone know where I can get a single license version for a reasonable price, or even if a single version exists? Also can someone explain the basic differences between Windows 2000 and Windows 2000 Advanced Server, as well as how the Terminal Server can be put on a regular Windows 2000 system (not "Advanced Server"). Please excuse my limited knowledge of Windows 2000 and I hope you can answer some of these questions. Thanks.... 01-15-2001 15:12:18

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) swan Profile UUGib: what resources does the terminal server take on the server? Does it slow it down any (can you tell?)? Rich: Advanced server is real expensive, it adds stuff like load balancing (so they claim) between advanced server boxes, and >4(?) CPU's per box. Students can often get MS software at a much reduced price at their school/uni book store, or at "educational discount" outlets. Here in Portland, Oregon, Software Electronics http://semall.com is one such place. Note that their prices on other stuff seems to be list +20%. They show w2k server (5 client) for $499, and advanced server (25 client) for a mear $2200 01-15-2001 15:26:32

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) theisgroup Terminal server is a service on both server and advanced server. Just go to control panel, add®emove programs, add®emove system components. There will be a check box for terminal server serivces. If you want to use in application move, you will have to install the terminal server license manager. To activate the license manager, you will have to go to microsoft and get an activation key. The key is free, but the user licenses will cost you. Server has a smaller footprint, uses less memory (max 2gig), and can not be clustered. Probably not important for home use. 01-15-2001 15:30:50

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) theisgroup Microsoft pricing is at the following http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/pricing/default.asp 01-15-2001 15:34:17

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) DanMan Has anyone tried PC Anywhere for CE by Symantec. I know it is not supported anymore, but might work similar to Terminal Services (but alot cheaper). 01-15-2001 15:41:48

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) theisgroup I fyou need to purchase the software, here is a link http://www.licenseonline.com/qq2/nav.asp?LOLID=49051 01-15-2001 15:42:08

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Rich Thanks for the help. So I guess Windows 2000 Server will work just as well as the Advanced version if I only want to run Terminal Server and use it in the home. I'm still a little confused about the licenses for the Terminal Server itself. Is a single license really expensive? Also, I notice that there is a trial version of Windows 2000 Advanced Server that you can get from Microsoft. Anyone know if this would allow me to try out the Terminal Server for 120 days or if it has limited capabilities or what? 01-15-2001 16:09:50

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) ngav What is application move? Also, I am not familiar with setting up a server, but I have an old pentium pro 180 machine with dual cpu operability. I will add another pentium pro to it and put on the win2k server. Can I just connect it to my existing cable/router and use it as a server just for my epods to connect to the net? And can I access programs on another machine (win98se) on the network with terminal services, or do they have to be on the server? Or do I have to upgrade the existing win98se machine to win2k? 01-15-2001 16:42:57

RE: CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) UUGib Swan: Terminal Services eats up RAM at an alarming rate if you are not expecting it. Each user kicks off multiple processes, so if you have a limited amount of RAM in your box, you should limit the number of sessions that can be active at one time, or disconnect sessions when they are not active. Win2000 loves RAM anyway, so just go buy another 128MB chip :) They are getting cheaper by the hour. The speed of the processor itself dosn't seem to be an issue... like I wrote, my server is a 166 Pentium, and it flies from the ePods terminal client. I've opened up 6 IE 5.5 windows at one time from the ePods, switching between them all and haven't noticed a slow down. ngav: It's actually Application Mode, not move. When you install and enable Terminal Services, you have the choice of using it as an Application Server (so you can run all your desktop apps from a TS client) or using it in Remote Administration mode. Remote Admin mode is a limited terminal session that allows you to admin your server remotely. But it also does not require the license manager. Luckily I get to to fool around with stuff because of my MSDN subscription. It's one of the side benefits of having my MCSE. 01-15-2001 17:41:16

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) ngav uugib - thanks. One more thing... So if I just put in win2k server and not application mode I can not access apps on the server - right? But I can still surf the net via my router?? After just re-reading your post, I think I need the license to surf with the speed you have. So I need to buy the win2k server program, and then register and buy the license for another $700, is that right? I really do not want to eat up the board with these questions, would you mind if I emailed you directly, or do you think a lot of people are interested? Or do you know of a newsforum for a beginner with this, that I can go to? Thanks again. 01-15-2001 18:13:35

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) UUGib  Actually a lot of places have the Win2000 server packages that bundle 5 client access licenses with the server. That would take care of you. Not sure if they are $700 or so... seems like a lot of money to pay for Win2000 server. But personally, my thoughts on licensing are this: If you are a company, pay for it. If yo 01-15-2001 18:26:14

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) UUGib Hmm... looks like my M$ licensing rant got cut off. Oh well. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the first one this board has seen :) 01-15-2001 18:32:28

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) swan Profile I'm sure the rest of that line whent If you arn't, then pay for it so you're all nice and legal like. Right? BTW, just in case it slipped by, I'm fairly sure WinNT 4.0 (sp6.1) server will also do the terminal server stuff. I'd think it'd be easier to find a copy of that. Maybe from your place of work(tm) upgrading to w2k server, or some close out somewhere. 01-15-2001 19:56:32

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) joemi Do you connect via TSWEB or via a CE application? 01-15-2001 23:20:05

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Groch Does the CE Terminal Services client work only with NT or would it work with other Server (Linux etc) software? 01-16-2001 07:09:16

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) theisgroup nt4 sp6 does not have terminal server services. In the 4.0 realm there was an OS called "Terminal Server". WIn2k is the only OS with Terminal server as a service. Also, servers in admin mode will still run applications just like application mode server. The TS client will only work with Windows, but the Citrix Client for metaframe can be used on different OS with Citrix running on it. 01-16-2001 13:48:31

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) KcImpuse I have advanced server Dose any one know off a good key to get terminal server up and running. or if there is is key or patch i think last time i tried it a while bcak it need a serial and i just didnt care then 01-16-2001 21:03:54

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) asquare I just set TS up, using Win2K server. I set it up in admin mode (which doesn't need the licensing server running), and it runs IE 5 fine, which is the main thing I want. I have it set up so it maintains a "session", so my epods can turn on or off, but the terminal server session is always running, just as I left it. So I can turn the epods on, click on the TS client icon, connect to the server, and the screen comes up with my desktop, just how I left it. It is FAST! I can't believe the difference between VNC and TS on the epods. Here's what I did: 1) Have Win2K server installed 2) Start/Settings/Control Panel/Add/Remove Programs 3) Add/Remove Windows components, Click on "Components" button 4) Check off "Terminal Services" 5) Choose "Admin mode" to avoid the hassle of needing Terminal Server Licenses 6) Insert CD when it asks for it 7) I recommend creating a new user just for you epods login, since the screen size is going to be 640x480, it will hose your icon layout if you use your normal login. CE Install: 1) Download and install TS client for CE http://www.microsoft.com/technet/WCE/tools/termsvr.asp (standard Win CE install) 2) Run the TS config on the epods to set it up. If you run the wizard, it will work but it will creat an icon on the "Desktop", which you won't see unless you've done the shell hack. You can just run the "Terminal Server Client" program in the Windows\Programs\Terminal Server Client directory on the Epods, it will work OK. To get your session to be left alone when you turn the epods off, choose "Disconnect" from the Start/Shutdown menu when you are connected to TS. Then, the next time you connect, you should go right back to that session. If you have any questions, I'm happy to try to help. 01-16-2001 22:24:52

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Groch In the above link it looks like I can use windows NT4 and achieve the same functionality using terminal server. Can am I correct in this? 01-17-2001 02:06:32

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) gumshoe It would be nice if Win2K Server showed up on one of the binary news groups. ;) 01-17-2001 07:52:26

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) asquare Groch: You can use NT4 Terminal Server Edition, which is a special build of NT4. I don't know what the upgrade cost is from regular NT4 to NT4 Terminal Server, but I'd imagine it makes more sense to upgrade to Win2K Server. The installation and management under Win2K Server is much much easier than NT4 Terminal Server Edition. 01-17-2001 08:33:00

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) dshapiro Help! I try to run the install app from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/WCE/tools/termsvr.asp and it tells me "TSSetup is not a valid Windows CE application". What gives? I just copied it onto the epod with a CF card. I've had this problem with some other files too, like the Cisco aironet wireless card utility. 01-17-2001 19:25:58

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) bbreneman run the installer on your pc... 01-17-2001 19:44:10

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) donerb http://www.directdeals.com/category.asp?category=Software%2FOperating+Systems Some decent prices for Win2000 Server and the like... 01-18-2001 12:16:34

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Seajack I'm a student and I'd be willing to split the cost of Windows 2000 server with another student (wink, wink) since you get 5 licenses and I would only need two at most. It costs $479 for me at the bookstore but my wife would KILL me with a rusty axe if I paid that much for faster web surfing for the EPODS. She still doesn't know that I bought the 11 MPS wireless equipment (I hid the access point behind an empty box). Any takers? Seajack 01-18-2001 15:45:52

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) KcImpulse Can you use the null modem cable with terminakl server or should i look for a nic? 01-18-2001 19:00:48

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) shavebo Im so glad I have w2kpro full copy along with w2k advanced serverfull copy NFR i got it off the microsoft web site for $99 back in june with no time limit .. i will have to do the terminal server it pays to poke around that website ever once in a while shavebo 01-18-2001 20:28:57

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) SnappleBoy Profile Speaking of W2KPro... I'm running that version and was wondering if there is any way to "add-on" the terminal server to it? My guess is no as I didn't see it in the add/remove componets list but it never hurts to ask. My second option, if I decide to buy the upgrade, would be to upgrade my Pro installation to Win2K Server. Is that possible without fubaring the whole OS or is a complete new install required? Also, just to clarify, as long at the win2k box has and internet connection (mine is dsl) then the terminal session can browser with that internet connection, correct? Sounds like this is the best option for surfing and running apps on the epods! Thanks1 02-09-2001 20:14:48

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Drjay Profile | Email Snappleboy- If you want win2k server, you just can't u/g it from win2k pro. It requires a completely new install, just like you can't u/g NT Workstation to NT Server. Sorry bout the dissapointment.. 02-09-2001 20:47:50

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Stephen Profile I am new to the epods, so excuse this if it has already been hashed out. For a poor man's version of Terminal Services, what about VNC? Or is there a version that works with the epods? My database server in the basement runs nt 4.0 and could be set to the proper screen resolution, 640x480 I believe. --Stephen 02-09-2001 21:33:38

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) jaa stl What about netmeeting? It is free, includes remote desktop access and runs on 98 and ME. Is there a CE client available? 02-10-2001 08:12:15

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Pete Terminal running here! Excellent! I am very impressed. Now to look for a custom E-Pod portal for a 640X480 display... 02-10-2001 12:55:55

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) dish Here's a hint: Windows XP Professional, Beta 2 (soon to be released) has TS, built in, no extra cost. It's called "remote access" now, but it's the same thing. One client only; it locks the screen while in use. You'll have to upgrade after 180 days to either the gold bits or another beta (there's a timebomb), but you'll be upgrading to the Pro version, not the Server version, so the cost is reasonable. This works great on Pro in recent builds; YMMV on Personal or Beta 1. Incidentally, Whistler/Windows XP rocks. But I'm somewhat biased. --dan 02-10-2001 20:59:35

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) SnappleBoy Profile I was just about to toss my ePods (literally ready to put it on eBay) when I came across this post. IMHO,it is way to slow for what I want which is basic web surfing and as an home automation UI. BUT with TS I have a renewed interest (thanks UUGIB!!!!!!). I'm willing to try Win2K server Terminal Services but I don't want go through the license process (I do have an licensed MSDN). Question: Can I just set it up in remote admin mode, not application mode, and be able to run applications from a session? So reading below I could create an administrator account with a couple users (1 epods and 1 pc) and serve up apps to both? I'm going to try this next week, any heads up would be great. I'll post my experience Link: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q237/8/11.ASP "If Terminal Services is installed in Remote Administration mode, the Terminal Services licenses are not enforced because only the Administrator account and members of the Administrators group can connect to the Terminal Services computers using the Terminal Services client (by default), and only two members of the Administrators group can run a session at one time. " 02-12-2001 21:53:52

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Pete Works for me and is great. Actually showed it to a number of individuals today who were very impressed. 02-12-2001 22:18:54

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) wallyworld I also got terminal services working last night and the performance was truly impressive! Thanks to all of you who have shared your knowledge with all of us! This is a major step for me as I have always been a Macintosh user and had a PC for my wife's work. Now it's hijacked and she'll never get it back as long as I have my epods! Surprisingly enough, I have been able to do most everything from my mac including mounting the volumes on the epods (which for some reason will not mount those on my pc), but that's another story. Thanks again! 02-13-2001 09:38:54

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) bobm ok, I'm a little slow but I figured out why it's so fast. It's the html rendering that hurts so much on web browsing. I'm currently in a different state but am wondering if anyone has tried the VNC software? It's _free_ and works great on different platforms. The down side is that you are really working the console so you can't do multiuser stuff but the upside is that you can put it on Linux, win32 and MacOS and work any of those consoles. On Linux it's just another session so you can support many users.... I'll try later in the week but would appriciate any other feedback, bobm 02-13-2001 17:03:38

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) JoeFloyd You may want to try the Citrix Terminal Client software since its supposed to support sound. I installed in on the ePods and the application runs, but I haven't connected to a server yet. http://www.citrix.com/download/bin/download.asp#mips 02-14-2001 14:43:50

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) akelley Profile Don't you need to install the Citrix WinFrame server on your Win2000 server to use the Citrix client? The Citrix client doesn't work with the native Win2K Terminal Services, does it? 02-14-2001 20:05:25

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) JamesW No. Citrix Metaframe is to Terminal Services what Speeddisk is to MS Defrag - in other words, it's the original product from which MS decided to make a lobotomised, cut down crap version which they include in the OS for close to nothing. Citrix allows 16bit (or whatever) colour and streams sound out from the server. But you can't use the client to talk to a TS box, you need to run the full Citrix suite. There's a reason that Citrix is still going strong. :) 02-14-2001 21:50:48

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) akelley Profile So, it's really not that great of a solution, cost wise - for those who have to shell out big bucks for Win2K server (or NT 4 Server), now they have to shell out more for the WinFrame server? How much does the Citrix Suite cost? Isn't Whistler supposed to include some of the more advanced features of WinFrame? 02-15-2001 07:06:18

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) acollins Here's a question: My ePods is running Windows CE 2.12. I have it configured for 16-bit color. However, when I run the Terminal Server Client, it always uses only 8-bit color, and I don't know how to change it. Does anyone know how to configure the TSC (perhaps using the registry) to use 16-bit color? The Windows 2000 Terminal Server PC allows 24-bit color and I am able to use 16-bit color from an NT PC connecting to the same Terminal Server, so I don't think it's a server issue. 02-15-2001 08:35:13

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) akelley Profile My understanding was that Win2K Terminal Services only allowed 8 bit video display on the client. This is the first I've heard that an TS client could use higher than 8bit color. Anyone else verify this? 02-15-2001 08:51:40

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Pete I too was under the assumption was 8-bit. 02-15-2001 09:34:42

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) JoeFloyd Well, fooling around with Windows 2000 ADV Server, I couldn't get the Citrix client to connect. Microsoft uses the RDP 5.0 protocol for remote client connections. Citrix uses ICA. The Microsoft documentation found on the web specifically mentions that RDP is an advanced protocol. If that's the case, then why does Citrix ICA support more features??? There is a way to install ICA protocols for use with the Windows 2000 terminal services, but I think that you need to buy and install the full MetaFrame package even though 90% of what MetaFrame used to provide under NT 3.51 and NT 4.0 is now performed by Windows itself. Does anyone know of a way to add the protocol without installing the full MetaFrame package?? The Citrix web site indicates that MetaFrame will not exist as a product once Windows XP comes out, so at that point the Microsoft version of Terminal Server will be the only one that exists. 02-15-2001 10:54:36

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) JamesW Windows TS clients always only use 8bit colour if they are running CE. Citrix will allow you to run anything you like (or your device is capable of). Windows XP (stupid name) 's terminal services will essentially merge TS and Metaframe, hence XP TS clients running CE will be able to use 16bit (or whatever) colour. 02-15-2001 14:22:42

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) JamesW Oh, and on MS's "more advanced" claim - I think we'd all die before we finished the list of things Microsoft's embrace and extend strategy has essentially killed off and replaced with a less capable product (Kerberos, Netscape, Novell, Sendmail, Lotus 1-2-3, the Apple Mac...etc etc). 02-15-2001 14:26:57

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Logikos Clarifications etc. I'm runnning Whistler Advanced Server which supports up to 24 bits of color over RDP for Terminal Services. The desktop clients can choose from 8-bit, 15-bit (?), 16-bit, or 24-bit color and from a variety of screen geometries. Just like Citrix MetaFrame. However, the Terminal Services client for CE that Microsoft has made available apparently is of more ancient vintage, and hence does not comprehend anything but a 256-bit color world. Windows CE 3.0 provides RDP support for more than 256 colors (at least if you believe the info contained in the latest Platform Builder Add-On Pack). In theory, if you configure a device with CE 3.0 properly, you can use the higher color depth through the RDP APIs. The challenge will be to see if those services in CE 3.0 can be added to software built for the HPC Pro (2.12 like the ePods). If we wait for MS to create a new generation CE client, you can bet it won't likely run on older OS versions. Or we can all fork out a bunch of money and use Citrix.... 02-15-2001 14:49:32

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) HowardHolton For those of you that are looking for an inexpensive full license for Windows 2000 look at the Direct Acces Pack from Microsoft. It is a NFR (Not for Resale) developer product that gives you: Windows 200 Server, 10 CLA, Windows 2000 WS Pro (10 User license), Office 2000, Current version of Backoffice (was nt 4.0, exchange 5.5, should be 2000 soon). 02-16-2001 10:42:38

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) flapjack32 This might be slightly OT, but I noticed someone asked about cheaper alternatives... SO, I wonder if anyone here has tried using Linux ($0) running as an XServer (+$0) with the epods running an X client (+$0 more)? I bet this would really scream, because it uses the UNIX alternative to TS, which has actually been around a LOT longer than TS and the Citrix system. Unfortunately, you might have to learn an OS you don't already know, but since you're all hackers, what the hey! -MB 02-26-2001 06:14:11

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) akelley Profile flapjack, give it a try and let us know! -Adam 02-26-2001 08:03:54

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) ouzome So, since win2000 doesn't support 16 bit color, does winNT TS? Or is Citrix(sp?) the only TS that supports 16 bit? And LOGICOS: since the whistler client only supports 256, it doesn't work, right? Basically, is there a 16 bit Terminal Server? sorry, i'm a jerry boy Thanks, ouzome 02-26-2001 09:20:44

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) dattguy There are no 16-bit Terminal Server options until Windows XP. BTW: An ePods with Windows 2000 Server running Terminal Services with a 802.11b wireless network is the way to go! This is cool!!! :) 02-26-2001 21:06:55

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Q!!!!!!!!!! I download the file, but how do I set up the client side or should I say, how do I set up the application on the epod. my set up is Dlink 650 pc-card in the epod with Dlink access pt to a hub. I understand I need to set the server up ( Windows 2000 and terminal server). After running the download I have a client creator, which ask me for 4 floppy disk to make. at this point I'm lost and need help. also my understanding of Terminal Server is limited. Thank you in advance 02-28-2001 21:21:52

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Logikos Latest uppdate from my corner of the world: Whistler Advanced Server does provide up to 24-bit support for Terminal Services, but no CE client has been discovered that provides more than 8-bit support. TS works fine on the 'pod in 8-bit color connected to a Whistler server, but no audio yet (beta 2 of Whistler is supposed to fix this). TS under Windows 2000 Server only provides 8-bit support and no audio. Citrix (version 1.8) MetaFrame provides 16-bit color on the server side (and sound too) to the 'pod, *if* you have Feature Release 1 on your server. Otherwise, you only get 8-bit color. Citrix wants around $2K for their server to support 5 clients. The Citrix web site provides, for free, all of the clients for MetaFrame including CE on their web site (www.citrix.com). Also, Citrix will not run under Whistler beta 1 (I learned this the hard way). You need to run Windows NT or 2000 Server. IMHO, the Citrix product is much better than TS, especially from the administration (server) side. Presuming, of course, that you want to shell out the $$$... 03-01-2001 11:03:18

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) phreak23 Has anyone used Citrix w/ Feature Release 1 with their Epods? I am very curious about the 16bit display. How much does this slow things down? Somewhere it said that all new customers would get Feature Release 1 with MetaFrame1.8, but the info is confusing. It's around $1295 for Feature Release 1, if it isn't included. I just want the MetaFrame/Terminal Edition, for non-pc's (epods only connecting), which is $995. But 16bit display is pretty important to me... this is for a project for my record store. Anyone know the educational prices of MetaFrame for 2000? I am going to try and plead my case to Citrix, and see if I can talk them into making a deal with me. Can't hurt. 03-02-2001 08:31:24

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) Logikos I'm using Feature Release 1 with the ePod and it works great at 16-bits of color. Sound isn't too bad either across a wireless LAN. 03-02-2001 10:44:26

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) phreak23 Did you buy MetaFrame? or do you have access thru a business? or is it by chance cracked? 03-02-2001 12:07:26

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) moaaea I've been reading this site for quite a while with nothing to add, but may have some info that's of interest regarding terminal server. I'm running NT 4.0 TSE at home and using various thin clients around the house to connect, surf the net and run apps off the server. Someone asked if there was a way to install the ICA protocol without buying metaframe and indeed there is. Citrix makes a product called Citrix Device Services (CDS) that is licensed to thin client hardware manufacturers. It allows them to sell their products with ICA without requiring the customer to buy metaframe. The only problem is, to use it you must access the terminal service from a thin client. Citrix also has a DOS version of ICA that can run on 286 and 386 machines. On the topic of thin clients, there are many available on ebay. Wyse makes some of the best and you can get them for as little as $50. I recently purchased on with a built in monitor for $70. It sits on the kitchen counter and makes and works great for web browsing or running apps from terminal server. You can also get cheap copies of metaframe, full licenses or 45 day evals off ebay. Also, metaframe will continue to exist after windows xp comes out in the form of metaframe xp. moaaea 03-02-2001 13:55:02

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) swan Profile Has anyone compared the speed of using TS vs. PCanywhere? Comments? 03-07-2001 02:16:48

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) flanders just install termial server client and all i can say is WOW! What a difference. 03-07-2001 20:02:55

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) polo Windows 2000 Advanced Server 120 day evaluation trial CD might still be available from Microsoft for the cost of shipping and handling, $7.95 here polo 03-09-2001 22:34:51

Terminal Server question... (modified 0 times) podperson Hi all...looking for a little guidance. I have a hacked epods, 2.04 shell. Linksys wireless card talking to a 3com access point. Working great. I'm also running a win2000 advanced server with terminal services enabled and the terminal server client on the epods. I'd like to use the epods to control Winamp (or similar) on the server. Select songs, playlist, etc. The server connects up to my AV receiver...eventially I'd like to serve video. You guys get the picture... Anyway, terminal services is currently set up in Application Server mode. When I try to run winamp from the Epods it launches but will not play any files (something about the wave-out plug-in having IDs that are out of my devices range.) Additionally, in AS mode I can't even control the server's sound control panel. Should I be in Remote Admin mode instead? Or is something else wrong? Please remember, I'm not expecting to hear sound coming out of the Epods. I just want to control the sound that comes out of the server. Thanks. Podperson 04-08-2001 21:05:36

RE:CE Terminal Server client *highly* recommended (modified 0 times) PodPeople i think it wont matter which mode you're in. terminal server tries to run the application "remotely". if a service isn't implemented, sound for example, then error message happens. you might consider a different form of remote control that just shows you what's going on on the server, i.e. pc anywhere. i'm not familiar enough with ts to tell you definitively what you want to do won;t work. maybe someone can shed light? 04-08-2001 21:51:45

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