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Best Non-Terminal Services Solution?
Best Non-Terminal Services Solution?

New MessageBest Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Pough
Unfortunately, after spending all my spare money on the ePods/wireless network/compact flash card, I don't have any money left to buy Windows 2000 Server or Advanced Server to run Terminal Services. I've been looking into other solutions, including VNC and PCAnywhere. Has anybody been running with this (or any other non-Terminal Services application)? How is the speed?
01-30-2001 12:20:38

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Jingoro
I'm in the same situation... I heard that VNC was really slow. Anybody willing to share their experiences?
01-30-2001 20:38:43

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Groch
Well, Microsoft will send you 2000 Advanced server for just a $12.95 Express Mail charge. Of Course, if you want to continue using it after 120 days you will have to reformat your hard drive and re-install. Frankly, I format about that often anyway just to clean things up.
01-30-2001 20:58:32

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Zonyl
I seem to recall that it has a final, "Drop Deap" date as well. So your computer may have to live in the past to keep it alive as well.
01-30-2001 21:01:38

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) ozzy
hi
this is what you can do install windows 200 adv server to a computer with 2 partitions .
then after you have everything working the way you want it to just use a program called ghost to make an image of the primary partition where you placed windows adv server in
and when your time is up you cant boot to dos run the ghost program to reinstall the partition back to the way you made the image of it.set the date back to the date when you made the image and reboot thats it
and contrary to what you might think it will replace the image pretty quickly so it takes hardly anytime

i have done this when i had a limited edition
thanks

01-31-2001 09:38:08

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) ozzy
excuse me i misspelled some words so just try to read it any way

like i meant to say you can reboot into dos not cant

01-31-2001 09:39:50

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) ozzy
excuse me i misspelled some words so just try to read it any way

like i meant to say you can reboot into dos not cant

01-31-2001 09:39:51

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Zonyl
To steer this back on topic, I think VNC on the EPOD is terrible. Terminal Services was a _LOT_ better in speed. Havent tried PCAnywhere yet, but it is based on the same premise as VNC (send bimap changes as apposed to gliph's) so I would think it is not that much better.
01-31-2001 12:30:05

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) johnman
Terminal Services is way better than vnc or pcanywhere
so just use that
also get the cracks for all the software and forget the time limit
(and as a side note cracks are legal to download and own ,applying them is a different matter)
02-01-2001 09:20:53

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) MikeM
Seems like the Epod isn't really very useful until you spend a bunch of extra bucks. Ok it's cute and small, but everyone here seems to be trying to make it into a laptop, which requires about as much money as a laptop, without the performance.
02-01-2001 12:02:50

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) TXCAS
Wait for the next release of Windows 2000 Professional (current code name Whistler). It will have terminal server functionality in it.
02-02-2001 13:20:13

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Nukem
Anyone get VNC working?
I got it working from pc to pc but I can't seem to get the ce
viewer working on the pod
No error messages just no display
02-15-2001 15:18:21

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) boykster
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to get the vnc for ce to work you have to call it with the machine:display specified on the command line...

ie from cmd prompt:
>vnc machine:1

where vnc is the exec name for your viewer, machine is the name of the machine running the host, and 1 is the display to use.

I have used it over my proxim wireless network, and it is very slow. I have also used the pcanywhere and it also slow as well as being b/w.

I haven't tried the term svcs yet...probably tonite.

boykster

02-15-2001 15:26:35

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) zhensel
Note that VNC has the advantage of being ported to quite a few operating systems, so if you have access to Apple computers, Unix varients, or computers not up to spec to run Windows 2000 (or whistler), VNC would be a better choice. Also, regarding 2000/whistler - Whistler Consumer (Windows XP Consumer now I suppose) should probably be priced around the same as Windows ME is now, and will probably have a terminal server built in due to Microsoft's switch to network-based computing (and the fact that the Windows XP Server release will be a couple quarters after the Consumer and Professional releases). If I were strapped for cash and unwilling to give into the evils of software piracy, I would use VNC now, and then upgrade to Windows XP Consumer once it's released (assuming it has terminal server functionality).
02-15-2001 19:43:21

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) nukem
From Run I did:
c:\tools\vncviewer machine:0
where machine was my windows machine and was the same name I used to connect from another PC and got nothing, no errors, nothing.

Is there something I need to do to get the name in the CE device or does it doe some sort of broadcast/multicast to find it?

I want to use VNC because I also need to connect to a Sun Ultra10 I have. Just trying to get the windows portion running first though I suspect the Unix will work MUCH better.

02-15-2001 20:54:58

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) nukem
update
I used the ip address instead of the name and I got the password prompt but still no vnc screen
02-15-2001 23:38:29

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) Curt Lindner
>I used the ip address instead of the name and I got the password prompt but still no
>vnc screen

You are almost there! You need to add the '/8bit' switch to the command line as well. This forces the viewer to 8 bit mode, which I have had success with.

However, it is dog slow, especially if your serving machine is set to a screen resolution higher than 640x480. I haven't bothered to set my machine to this low resolution, but I would think that this would speed things up.

VNC isn't really that peppy, even for PC to PC connections. It was good for a laugh, however, when I scared my wife from the office by taking over the PC at home....

-Curt

02-16-2001 07:33:22

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) yellow1
even at 640x480 on the desktop it's still as slow as a cow...I'm going to reboot into whistler b2 to see if terminal services i sall it's cracked up to be !
04-21-2001 01:21:41

New MessageVNC not always so slow... (modified 0 times) dublin
FWIW, I've been following the development of VNC for about a year and a half, and it's become pretty obvious to me that although the performance of VNC on CE is pretty bad, that may be more a function of a poor VNC for CE than any inherent problems in the VNC architecture.

So far as I can tell, the only VNC client available for CE is pretty old, seriously suboptimal, and does not implement some of the newer VNC improvements (such as "tight" encoding, etc.) that have made it into newer VNC distros for other platforms. (Check out http://www.tridiavnc.com for some newer and more capable clients for other platforms, or Constantin Kaplinsky's tight encoding site http://www.ce.cctpu.edu.ru/vnc for more info.)

MOre seriously, it looks to me like the real problem isn't so much the lack of better encoding as just simply that the CE VNC client is extremely inefficient and has never been optimized. I don't have CE dev tools (or the time to mess with this), but if someone does, grab the source (available at the the original ORL VNC site at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html ) and have at it. I would expect there's a LOT of room for optimization in there for a decent CE code hacker. Me, I'm working on getting a *real* OS running on this thing, since I want Konqueror on Qt embedded and BSD...

04-25-2001 08:03:17

New MessageRE:Best Non-Terminal Services Solution? (modified 0 times) bholio
I played with VNC/CE for the first time yesterday on the epod, and, as everyone else has said, it is unusable, even talking to a 640x480 server. However, has anyone tried the VNC/java client running on pJava? I realize that java introduces another layer of slowdown, but I would expect that the java viewer should be pretty good as I'm sure alot of people use it.

I'll give it a shot when I get the chance, but I'm not sure if I can get pJava installed on my 16M, no CF epods. I don't really use it that much (at all?), so I see no reason to add the CF to it. I actually had to re-hack 1.0 it because the battery died so badly it hard-reset on me.

04-27-2001 08:57:30

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