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New MessageOrinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
I am a new Epods owner. I got the v2.0.4 shell going, but would now like to go wireless. However, I can't seem to get my Orinoco Silver card working. I've reviewed all the previous posts and know that others have succeeded on this. The card is recognized by the Epods, but the little network status window just sits there "Searching". I am using the latest driver from the wavelan site and flashed the firmware on the card to 6.16. The version info indicates that the driver is ok. Also, the same card works fine in my laptop with the exact same settings. Would someone who has succeeded on this care to offer some suggestions? As a note, I am using the card in access point mode to connect to an Apple Airport Basestation. I also have encryption enabled. Is it possible that I have to upgrade the firmware on the Wavelan card in the Apple Airport - I hate to mess with that?
03-04-2001 12:48:17

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) eggplant
I've only tried doing ad-hoc mode, and it works just fine, so that this for what it's worth.

It is possible that the firmware in the card in your airport is sufficiently backlevel that there is a problem. You could take it out and reflash it in your PC. You should download and install the vxUtils (TCP utilities) for your ePods as well. This will let you query the ePods to find out what it thinks its own name and IP address are. If you are using DHCP and you get a valid IP address, then you can know that your card is talking to your airport. You can also use the ping utility in vxUtils to try to ping your airport. Next, I would try turning off encryption everywhere to see if that helps.

Regardless of those results, you can try running your PC and your ePods in ad-hoc (peer-to-peer) mode to see if they can see each other. The Client Manager utility on the PC comes with a cool "link test" that shows you all the cards your card can see, and lets you send test packets back and forth to make sure things are working at a hardware level.

Basically, I would suggest the standard rules-of-thumb for debugging problems like this. Start removing any possible complicating factor (AP mode, encryption, DHCP vs. simple static IP addresses, different firmware levels, etc) until you have success. Then start putting them back one at a time until you are where you want to be.

Finally, at least in ad-hoc mode, my little bar graph in the system tray always looks like it is searching, and if I bring up the little status window, it always says that there is no signal. And yet it works just fine. Never trust the computer to tell you the truth.

-- j

03-04-2001 17:10:17

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
Thanks for the suggestions!

I had already removed encryption and still no success. Also, I am using static ip addresses so DHCP is not a factor. I did install vxUtils which was much needed. It shows that the Epods has the correct ip address (although since I'm not using DHCP, this doesn't say much). If I perform a ping, the Epods seems to freeze for a minute or two before I can do anything. Actually, before vxUtils, I was opening Internet Explorer and trying to surf the web. The Epods would completely freeze requiring a soft reset. Any idea what this means?

As for ad-hoc mode, the only other wavelan card I have is in the Apple Airport. I guess I can try using it, but ultimately, access point mode is what I want. I have two more Epods coming and I hope to have all three connect though my Apple Airport. I could pull out the Airport's card and try ad-hoc with the Epods and my laptop. I may try this next, but I would still prefer to leave the Airport alone. I am also reluctant to upgrade the firmware in the Airport wavelan card. I don't want to screw up the Airport. Besides, my laptop has been working fine with it for some time (using the exact same card).

Finally, I am encouraged that your little bar graph in the system tray is behaving the same as mine. When you pop up the status window, what does it say for "Network:"? On mine it says "Searching".

03-04-2001 19:48:15

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
I finally found my problem - and it was a dumb one! My network name includes the word "AirPort" which I had been typing as "Airport". I thought that things might be case sensitive, but didn't notice the capital 'P'. Arghhhhh! Oh well, it's only one afternoon wasted. I've done worse.

Thanks to eggplant for the suggestions. By the way, my little bar graph does work as expected now, and the status window does indicate a signal strength. According to the Orinoco manual, signal strength is not reported in ad-hoc mode so I believe your setup is working normally. Perhaps this is because in peer to peer networking it is not obvious what is "connected".

03-04-2001 20:52:27

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) Pete
You will notice that at odd times u will lose connectivity and get the flaming bar graph. It appears to be some sort of driver glitch.
03-05-2001 05:21:39

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) RayBarnett
Oddly though I only get the flaming disconnected problem when I'm using Terminal Server client. I can use the wireless connection for hours on end with no problems. 5 to 10 minutes on the Terminal Server though and it breaks the connection.

I thought it might be related to ePOD CPU usage or sending key presses to the Terminal Server, or network bandwith in use, but to be honest it doesn't seem to correlate to anything in particular.

This is with the Orinoco Silver card and a RG1000 gateway BTW, connecting to either a NT4 Terminal Server, or a Win2K Terminal Server.

My notebook will connect wirelessly to the Terminal Server using the same card until the battery dies without experiencing a problem...

03-05-2001 07:52:26

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
I will keep an eye out for the flaming bar graph problem. I played with it for a couple of hours last night and haven't seen this yet. Also, I don't plan on using terminal services so if the bug is related to that, I'm in the clear.

The one time I do see the flaming bar graph is when the unit comes back from suspend. Of course, I expect this, but it is inconvenient waiting for the thing to connect again. I want to use this as a home automation controller where I can just tap the screen and go. My unit has external power so I don't need to enter suspend. However, I don't really want the screen on all day either. Is there some way to turn the screen off (not just dim the backlight)? I'd like to walk up to a dark screen, tap it once to have it come back on, and then tap whatever buttons, and walk away - never having to touch the power suspend button and not worrying about burning out the display.

I guess a followup question is whether leaving the unit on all the time with backlight dimmed is acceptable or whether this will cause a shortened lifetime? I guess I'm getting off topic here (perhaps I should post another thread), but this whole question is motivated by the couple second delay when the Orinoco reestablishes its connection.

03-05-2001 08:24:27

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) frazzle
Profile
I have seen the same thing. Disconnection seems to occur when one of the following occurs

1) Playing a video
2) Web sites with lots of graphics and animation
3) When typing using the epods keyboard.

When it fails the systray icon for the Orinoco goes all black and "broken". To recover I have to suspend and restart the epod.
I have found just found this in the readme for the TS CE client ( http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q236/2/82.asp )

> 6. Graphics-Intensive Applications. Running graphics intensive applications, such
> as screen savers, in the Terminal Server session is not recommended. Doing so
> can cause the client to disconnect from the server.

So I guess playing videos is out but I don't think Web Surfing or especially typing should be bad for the connection. Anyone found any workarounds to this problem?

03-05-2001 08:25:32

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) EpodsWireless
Marcus,
Any chance on describing what software you
intend to use to do your home automation?
03-05-2001 11:54:15

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
EpodsWireless,

No problem. For starters, I'm going to try MisterHouse, http://www.misterhouse.net. I'm just starting to play with it now. I like the fact that it's open source and written in Perl. Also, it has a web interface so I can have things displayed on the Epods right away. I have 6 or 7 home automation devices that I want to integrate in my system - all controlled through a Linux box running Misterhouse. Unfortunately, several of my devices are not yet supported in Misterhouse so I've got some coding to do. Also, I think the web interface on the Epods will eventually be too restrictive.

Originally, I started writing my own Java app to perform home automation. I had it minimally up and running - talking to a couple of my devices. However, I really want to get the house automated asap. So, I'm going to try Misterhouse. Later, I might revert to my own code or perhaps I can make some contributions to improve MisterHouse. On first glance, the author of MisterHouse seems to have done a pretty nice job.

03-05-2001 12:22:11

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) RayBarnett
Marcus, you can improve the response time when you switch on the ePOD by assigning it a fixed IP address rather than using DHCP. When I switch mine on there is never a pause for it to establish comms with the base station - just a bit of a pause whilst it chats to the DHCP server. Fixed IP seems to reduce the 2 second wait down to next to nothing.

Leaving the screen on permanently may be a bad idea too - someone (forgotten their name, sorry) in the UK reported they left their ePOD on all day (9-5) when they first got it, with the backlight on full brightness. At the end of the first day the ePOD was dead, which they diagnosed as a dead transformery thing in the display hardware. Maybe a one-off, but perhaps not worth the risk?

03-06-2001 00:45:11

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
Ray,

Thanks for the thoughts. I am already using a fixed ip and still have a 3 or 4 second delay every time it returns from suspend. If you don't have this delay, I'd sure like to understand what we're doing different. To confirm, you are in access point mode? Do you have encryption enabled?

As for leaving the unit on all the time, I would set the backlight to dim after a few minutes of inactivity. It does seem like the bottom front of the unit gets a little warm when the unit is left on for a while. Does anyone else out there leave their Epods on continuously?

03-06-2001 07:59:12

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) Pete
>EpodsWireless> I have been using TS to connect to the internet and my WEB based X-10 control PC. The program I am using is called HomeSeer. Excellent program in that it is very flexible and user friendly. It has a standard client front end along with the WEB interface. You can find more information about it at HTTP://www.keware.com....check it out...
03-06-2001 23:29:06

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) RayBarnett
Marcus,

I'm pretty sure I get no delay whether I'm running with the driver configured to think it's connecting to a Residential Gateway or a full blown wireless access point. I'm using 64bit WEP encryption because you can't turn it off on the RG1000 gateway AFAIK.

Maybe that's the difference though - I'm using the Orinoco RG1000 Residential Gateway, and it sounds like you're using an Apple Airport AP? How do you have it configured? My gateway is configured as a straight ethernet bridge and doesn't do any DHCP, dial-on-demand or NAT.

Thinking back into the mists of time (I have a memory rivalled by goldfish), I do recall my ePOD taking a long time to present the Start menu and desktop when first switched on. The problem was fixed by removing a network mapping to my server (set using the NET USE command), and may have been caused by installing software to run from my server (intended to save space on the ePOD, can't remember if I actually did this though or whether I just thought about it).

03-08-2001 00:40:00

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) sticky
Can you tell me which drivers you are using for your Orinoco? I have the
same hardware and just can't get it to work. I'm not using AdHoc mode, I
have a PocketPC which works fine with the same Silver card, but the ePods
just won't do anything. Well, that's a lie - I got it to Ping the other
computers on my w-Lan but that's all. Any settings I've missed? Can you
tell me what version of Orinoco card you have and how you can tell?
03-08-2001 19:53:36

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) sticky
Yeah! I updated the PCMCIA card firmware, and it works now!
03-08-2001 22:25:48

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) marcus
Ray,

I have by Airport AP configured exactly the same - bridge, no DHCP, no NAT and no dial on demand. I also have 64 bit encryption (which I believe is really 40 bit, but only Lucent call its 64). I haven't tried adhoc mode for lack of another card; however, I should have one shortly so I can confirm whether there is a difference between adhoc and access point modes. Otherwise, I'm stumped.

As for the Epod turning on, that is very quick and always has been. It's only the Wavelan connecting that takes a few seconds.

Thanks again for your thoughts!

03-09-2001 06:35:01

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) Neill
Has anyone managed to fix the issue of drop out using Orinoco cards and Terminal Services?

Ray and I would be eternally gratefull!

03-09-2001 06:53:35

New MessageRE:Orinoco/Wavelan trouble (modified 0 times) Pete
I have not yer. Originally thought it might be related to TS but have verified that it is not. When in the network and not running TS but copying a large number of files it will drop the connection. As someone has stated before it most likely is a bug in the driver and should be brought up to Orinoco.
03-10-2001 06:26:52

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