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Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile I took my point 510 apart tonight and took some pictures for those interested. They are at http://vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us/~tcbordp/point510 Let me know if there are any problems accessing them PeteB 02-01-2002 21:32:59

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile I forgot the "observations" part. First off I don't think the pcmcia slot if 32 bit, as posted on another thread. It won't take a 3.3v keyed card I have and Cardbus (32 bit) is 3.3v. Also since this is a 486 motherboard it is doubtful that it has a PCI bridge, which is used by Cardbus. Second I tried a 32M memory module I had for my Ricoh G1200-s. This is the same memory that works in the Panasonic CF-01. It didn't work in either slot, using the Fast Page Mode setting. I imagine that it is a layout issue, I have seen this on the CF-01 forum. When I got mine the sound wasn't working but no errors were listed under device manager. Just for fun I went into the setup and restored the factory defaults and after that the sound worked fine. I took off the antitheft tag, came off pretty easily with a pocket knife. The stolen sticker underneath looks like it will come of with just a little work as well. Part of it came up with the antitheft tag. There are two internal batteries. One is a standard solder on lithium coin cell, a Panasonic VL2330, for cmos settings memory backup and clock suport. The other is a removable varta NiCd battery that is probably a bridge battery. It is three coin sized cells shrink wrapped together and is rated at 3.6V and 60Mah. This type of battery allows you a couple of minutes under suspend to ram mode to change the main battery without loosing anything. PeteB 02-01-2002 21:44:08

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) wanderer Profile Nice pics! Glad to hear it got there OK. You're right about the card slot; I was going on what Windows was telling me when I put 98 on, but the Cardbus LAN I tried sure won't fit. Sorry. I might have a source for some relatively inexpensive 32MB DIMMS - Samples are coming next week, I'll let you know if they work. 02-02-2002 00:23:23

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Yep mine made it fine, thanks for the good deal and fast shipment. Mine also survived the disassembly and reassembly with no spare parts, always a good sign. Keep us informed on the memory issue, I wouldn't mind maxing it out. I did see on the fuji site that you can put in 64M but only 56M will be recognised. I am betting this has to be with the unpopulated memory traces on the motherboard under one of the slots. PeteB 02-02-2002 01:52:11

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile More observations. The unpopulated memory traces under slot 1 seem to have all their capacitors and resitors around them. If someone is good with surface mount soldering they could probably up the onboard memory to 16M and total memory to 64M. The connectors in the picture conn-close.jpg (about 16 down) are interesting. The one on the left is for the bare contacts on the bottom. Right below this connector is the silver shield over the IRDA port. The other connector to the right of the IRDA is not connected to anything. Its position over a clear area on the case looks like it might have be an external port that was left out. Note on the pictures of the external contacts that they are all labeled. It looks like we could get power, keyboard and mouse from here if needed. I just fixed the bad image link for one of the cpu closeups. I put three cpu closeups incase someone needed the numbers off of it. I did notice that it is a 486DX4-100, I thought someone had said they were AMD 586-100. The 486DX4-100 was the predecessor if the 586-100 if I remember my ancient history correctly (I remember getting an 486-40 and thinking it was so much faster than those plain old 486-33 chips) The processor and associated low bus speed makes this the least powerful of the stylistic 1200 / panasonic cf-01 / point 510 trio. Being able to up the memory to 56m and the use of EDO memory should help even things out between the point and the cf-01 (it has issues with 40m and can't seem to go any higher. The 1200 is still significantly faster, especially with its top end of 80m of memory. PeteB 02-02-2002 02:12:50

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) lchop Profile I wanted to ask about the CPU. I am not an expert, but from the pics it would appear that the 486 CPU is surface mounted to PCB. Is there a way, and I mean even remotely simple, to remove that CPU and install a desktop version of an AMD 586 133 MHz? I would think that the pin out for a socket CPU and surface mount CPU would be different but I am not sure. Performance wise, it makes sense that the CPU is a 486 DX4 100 because the only program I could get to play 128 KB/s MP3's was the DOS based mxplay program by buffering the entire song in memory first. Any native win32 MP3 players including Winplay3, early versions of winamp and WiMP 6.4 can not properly play MP3's. 02-02-2002 05:19:17

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) wanderer Profile From Fujitsu: AMD Am5x86TM 100 MHz From a review: "On the processor front, Fujitsu determined that an Intel 486 DX4/100 processor would deliver the best trade-off between cost, performance, and power consumption. Even though the Cyrix 5x86 has recently become sort of a standard in the pen slate market, the designers at Fujitsu Personal Systems followed a modern adaptation of that old saying about buying IBM, and concluded, 'no one has ever been fired for choosing Intel.'" I wonder if there are different configurations? I would imagine that all from Nabisco would be the same. 02-02-2002 11:06:38

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Well it is an AMD but it says on the edge 486dx4 100. You can just make it out in the bottom two pictures of the CPU. It is a stamp on the black edge of the chip and very hard to photograph clearly. It does seem like the two sources you quoted above are at odds. Maybe they did change cpu's over time. The intel 486DX4-100, AMD 486DX4-100 and AMD 586-100 are all pin compatible so it would only take a change of cpu and maybe a bios change. I did notice that the motheboard is listed as a REV 4.0. As far as changing the CPU you would need to have very good surface mount soldering skills to remove the one there and replace it with another. Also there is no way that a desktop cpu would work, it is physically about twice the size and there is no room for it or a socket. Remember there is a reason that these smaller surface mount chips are used, size. If all desktop sized components were used the thing would be the size of a shoe box. PeteB PeteB 02-02-2002 16:49:35

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile I just found a good discussion of the differences between the amd and intel chips. It sounds like there never was an AMD 586-100 and the AMD 486dx4-100 has half the internal cache of the intel. Here's the link http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/fam/g4A5x86-c.html PeteB 02-02-2002 17:01:04

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile if you need or want cardbus support go get Fujitsu Stylistic 2300 or higher and any laptop made 96" or newer they do have pci type cardbus support ,damn my compaq lte5300 doesnt support cardbus :( 02-04-2002 06:13:02

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) stretch Profile | Email For those who need to know, the 1200 also has cardbus support. 02-04-2002 06:42:29

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile but 1200 only have mono vga screen(ick!) prefers color 02-05-2002 04:04:33

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) YouBecha Profile The two 1200s I have use the color Dual Scan screen, not as nice as TFT but better than monochrome http://www.geocities.com/mr_bubba_zanetti/ 02-05-2002 08:04:59

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email On AMD 486DX family CPUs: Am486DX4/100: While it only has 8k L1 cache, it runs much cooler than the Intel 486DX4/100, both clocked at 3x33. Am486DX4/100 (Enhanced): This is an even lower powered version, known as the Am486DX4/100 S-version, which uses techniques similar to the Intel SL-enhanced 486DX2/50. This uses special microcode to switch off sections of the logic during execution, in a manner that is completely transparent to software, but with no penalty in performance (this is very distinct from software-controlled power-management like APM or ACPI). The S versions are the lowest-powered 486DX CPUs, and were used in notebooks and handhelds. Perhaps the Fujitsu uses these. You can tell them apart from the standard CPUs from their marking: SV8T/B (Enhanced), NV8T/B (Normal). 'T' indicates Write-through cache, 'B' Write-Back. Am486DX4/120: Similar to the Am486DX4/100, but qualified for 3 x 40 = 120 MHz operation. Some of these devices (late production) apparently had 16k L1 cache. AMD5x86/133: The fastest 486 CPU ever built, at 4 x 33 MHz. Selected examples will overclock comfortably to 3 x 50 = 150 MHz or even 4 x 40 = 160 MHz. These are also very cool running (since they included the enhanced S-version logic). In conjunction with their flexible multiplier and speed ratings, this is the reason behind their popularity for upgrades and overclocking. Of course, it also possible to underclock these to 3 x 33 or 4 x 25 = 100 MHz, in which case they are similar in performance to an Intel486DX4/100, but consume less than 50% of the power. Also interesting is 3 x 40 = 120 or 2 x 50 = 100, both of which are higher-performance and lower-power than an Intel 486DX4/100. All these CPUs need a voltage-adapter socket to upgrade a 5v 486DX socket. These sockets are still available for $20-$30. The 5x86/133 was also available in a PQFP (surface-mount) package which is very similar to the PQFP package of the Intel mobile SL-enhanced 486DX2/50. Replacing the 486DX2/50 with an AMD5x86/133 results in a cooler and faster running portable. This has created a cottage industry in upgrades for older notebooks with the Intel CPU, like the Thinkpad 755/C/Cs/CE/CD, 701/C/Cs, etc. (I have a 755CD with the AMD 5x86/133 upgrade, and it runs cooler and faster than the IBM Pentium/75 upgrade for the same notebook, which has a list price of about $1200!). 02-05-2002 14:51:12

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Well the numbers on mine are as follows. 9820ALB silk screened on the silver center surface. B 9820ALB branded / printed on the lower edge Am486 DX4 100V16BHC Don't quite know where that fits in. It is probably a totally standard 486dx4 100 with no special features. These machines seem like they were made to be lower priced than the competition so they cut some corners to save money. Things like only one pcmcia slot, dstn as the only option, the cpu, the 486 / isa based motherboard. It all adds up to economy. I used to have an economy model Thinkpad, a 355Cs, that was just like this. Take a thinkpad 755, remove the TFT screen, the high end cpu, one of the pcmcia slots, voila a 355Cs. Now take a Stylistic and do similar things and you get the Point 510. The only nice thing they did is go with a 800x600 screen. PeteB 02-05-2002 20:17:09

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email PeteB: It sounds like a AMD5x86/133 core, with 16k Write-Back L1 cache. This is most likely an enhanced S-version die, but from the 100 MHz speed bin during speed-grading (these were not available for retail desktops or upgrades, but only as special direct deals to OEMs, similar to the AMD K6-II+, III+ and 2P). It may actually be running at 3x33, in which case you may be able to overclock it to 4x33 by cutting or jumpering a few traces. OTOH, if it's at 4x25, you're out of luck. Anyway, 4x25 is quite adequate, and it may well be the lowest-power solution at that speed. 02-05-2002 22:31:28

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile I wouldn't think that a chip with a 586 core would be labeled 486dx4-100, especially given that amd also made a 486 dx4-100 chip. It is probably justa bog standard amd 486 dx4-100 without any of the enhancements that made the 586 chip an improvement over the 486. Of course I could be totally wrong. What are you basing your assumption that it is a 586 core on? I didn't see anything in the numbering on the chip that would suggest that it was a 586 core. After looking through the AMD specs it seems to be a 3.45 volt chip with 16K write back. Of course this would have to be a special chip since nothing like that is listed by AMD. Going by the spec sheets on fujitsu's site is probably not a good idea. I have a toshiba libretto that toshiba swears has a 75Mhz pentium but it really has a 120Mhz pentium running at 75Mhz. Too many things get changed between development and production to trust spec sheets too much. Guess we will have to find a cpu id program and se what it has to say. PeteB 02-06-2002 16:31:29

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Rumor has it that the late-production Am486DX4/120 with 16k WB cache was really a 5x86/133 die that failed to qualify at 133 MHz. It's possible that there was a bond-out option to remap the multiplier pins back to the specs of the 486DX4 (i.e 2x, 2.5x, 3x instead of 2x,3x,4x of the 5x86). Alternatively, the multipliers may actually be 2x,3x,4x (which is what I was hinting at earlier). I'm basing my conclusion on the V16B sub-string in the part number and the date code of '98. By that time, the Am486DX/4 had been phased out, and the enhanced-core 5x86 was the only die left in production (and cost less to make than the Am486DX/4 because of the 0.35 micron process), so the prefixes of N and S had been dropped. But some of these from the lower-speed bins were labeled as Am486DX4/120 (or 100) to protect the price premium of the 5x86/133. (Otherwise, the overclocking crowd would have just paid less and bought the 120s and clocked them to 4x33. By labeling it as a DX4, maybe with a bond-out option to disable the 4x multiplier, there was no longer such an incentive.) 02-06-2002 20:24:18

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) stretch Profile | Email Hey Pete nice pixs ! Maybe you can help me out, That ribbon cable that hooks to the main board from the lcd assembly I think I may have damaged mine, how do you get that thing loose from the socket? In your picture it looks like mine after I got it loose but I thought I had to pull it and I ended up with a small plastic end from the ribbon cable. Was there a release or something ? Any ideas on how to get this thing back on ? Wow what a idiot I am !!!! 03-06-2002 08:04:20

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Well it has been a couple of weeks and I don't remember exactly but there are only really two kinds of sockets for flat printed ribbon cable that I have ever seen. One type has a flap on the top across the cable that lifts up releasing the cable. This type is usualy mounted flat to the pcb so the ribbon cable ends up flat and parallel to the pcb. The other style has an edge that comes out a little by pulling up at each end in turn. I just looked at the pictures and that is the type of connector described first above. You just lift up on the brown part, it is hinged at the back edge away from where the ribbon inserts. Once lifted the ribbon cable comes out without resistance. Make sure it is open and insert the cable then while holding the cable straight and fully inserted just snap the flap shut. I am not sure what you are describing as a small plastic end from the ribbon cable. The end of the ribbon cable often has a small rigid plate attached to the back side to make it more stable for inserting. Alternately did you pull off the brown flap that holds the cable in? If you did that you may be able to put it back on the connector, it probably just has pins on either end to act as hinges. Of course if one is broken you may be in trouble. PeteB 03-06-2002 20:18:48

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) stretch Profile | Email Pete : Thanks, that's what dumb me did. I thought I had to pry the ends open (hinge part of soccket) and pull ribbon cable. I guess I broke off the hinge part of socket and the brown flap is the small plastic part I ended up with. Now the challenge, I guess I'll have to unsolder the old socket on the main board and replace it. From what I can tell from your picture and what my ribbon cable looks like there really isn't any thing on the ribbon itself so I think the cable is ok . Well now to look for a parts unit for sale and then solder time. Thanks again for helping . : 03-06-2002 22:45:32

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) mallum Profile | Email Whats the sanyo chips for ? could it be the touchscreen controller ? Does the actual screen give any clues to who its made by ? 03-07-2002 10:00:07

Regarding the STOP THEIF! decal (modified 0 times) Gambrinus Profile I was able to remove mine using very fine grit sandpaper (2000 grit) you can get the sandpaper anywhere that sells plastic models. Now its just a smooth spot on the case. 03-14-2002 08:24:51

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) sethstorm Profile According to fujitsu, it's either a wacom digitizer, or a mutoh/finepointinnovations type digitizer - now it's just a matter of seeing who makes the hardware of that digitizer - (http://vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us/~tcbordp/point510/case-back2.jpg) would be a bit more helpful if we saw what was all on that white backing to the lcd/digitizer, it might narrow it down to what we have for a digitzer. 03-14-2002 12:31:54

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile sethstorm: I am not quite sure what you want. The picture you listed is the plastic molding of the back of the back of the case which doesn't have much more detail. The picture of the back of the lcd is about all there is to see. The white backing is just that, plain white. The only information is the japanese characters in one place and "Made in Japan". The screen half is not something that can be easily disassmebled, at least not that I could see, so there is not much more to see about the actual digitizer. Also since it is a passive resistive digitizer there isn't much hardware associated with it, just the resistive layer over the lcd display. There probably is a chip on the pcb that decodess it but your guess it as good as mine on which one. I don't think it is wacom since they make electromagnetic digitizers like the 1200 uses. PeteB 03-14-2002 23:13:43

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) wilkiek Profile Not sure if this is much help in identifying the digitizer but i took mine apart and there is the following (serial number??) on the digitizer screen Z N010-0551-t141 F.T 98 99 I don't see any active elements on the digitiser and it connects to the first 8 tracks of the ribbon cable to the motherboard. I'm trying to get the digitiser working uner Xfree/linux without much luck (anyone out there making progress.) Kevin P.S. contrary to other posts that i've seen on the net, the D-Link DWL-650 802.11b wireless cards does work well in the 510 under linux (even though the mfg site says that its a 32 bit card) 03-19-2002 15:56:17

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) sethstorm Profile Well, I dont have an exact model name, but I do have the following based on those part numbers from google using the keyword "N010-0551" http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:VN_m78bWLYIC:www.fcal.fujitsu.com/pdf/FID550.pdf+N010-0551&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1 refers to a pdf of fujitsu's tablets that approximately match the kind we have, up to the point of pins and interfaces (serial or ps/2) The html would be a good read if you dont have the pdf, we might have something similar here in spec to look at interfacing with this. 03-19-2002 23:29:10

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) sethstorm Profile About that pdf, I'd recomend that you go look at the pdf if possible, it's clearer than google if you can read pdfs 03-19-2002 23:43:34

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) wilkiek Profile Looks like were getting somewhere, from the spec i'd say that the 510 is using one of the "special model" panels, Serial 7 wire for pen or finger (the 12.1 inch model is part# n010-0551-t242, we want the t141 which is probably another size in the same series of panels) As the pdf recommends, i have contacted Fujitsu for "driver details", i'll update the thread if and when i get a reply. 03-20-2002 02:28:24

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) wilkiek Profile Got relies back from the Fujitsu input devcie product manager and the fujitsu tech support team. Basicaly they won't give anything away, apparently the windows driver is "Microsoft Licensed Software" and the fujitsu serial driver specs are "proprietry to Fujitsu". Can anyone out there provide info on how to monitor hardware interfaces from linux using c or java. (or even better some code that can find hardware or monitor hardware found) Thanks Kevin 03-21-2002 07:38:47

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) sethstorm Profile ...Dunno about the stuff to probe, but if we can pressure them enough, they might crack. Copyrights only stifle creativity, not the other way around. 03-21-2002 19:40:44

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) Dale746 Profile Thanks for the pics, especially the view from the flip side of the motherboard. I have a point that hung-up during installation of software from a floppy and I can't reset it. Do you have any idea what mechanism could be preventing the machine from resetting? Reset button wouldn't work. I replaced the hard drive which was NOT bootable, but the machine still won't boot-up. When turned on, the hard drive light lights up, the floppy drive is accessed but no boot-up; same as if there were no hard drive in. 04-22-2002 13:17:15

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) fluke Profile Great pics! Some of the screws on my Point 510 won't budge, anyone have any advice? or WD-40 I could borrow? :) 08-09-2002 02:48:22

RE:Fujitsu Point 510 Internals (modified 0 times) Sciallo Profile I almost got excited.... Link to pics is dead. Anyone has a copy of those pictures? I'll be glad to host them. Also has anyone ever figured out the connector for the internal proxim wireless card? Could something a little better be hacked in it's place? Maybe a mini-pci to weird connector could be hacked... I guess I'm late on this game, I just got the point 510 and it seems like nobody's into it anymore, but it still makes an excellent X terminal and they can be found for nothing out there now... 10-02-2004 09:13:14

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