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510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof?
MP3 (via DOS), Realplayer Audio?, Windows Media Player Audio?

New Message510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) cure
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First, thanks for the help with puzzling through what the processor actually is on the Fujitsu 510: seemingly an AMD DX4 100mhz with 8kb level 1 cache.

Second, thanks for finding a mp3 solution in dos: mpxplay.

Third, the 256 colour screen evidently limited from the get go the interest of streaming video to the unit.

Now what I am wondering about is the possibility of listening to streamed audio from the net in realplayer or windows media player formats. (I offer listen to the BBC, the News Hour, that sort of stuff).

The minimum system requirements from Realplayer 7 or G2 are a Pentium 90 or equivilent. An AMD 586 processor would have been somewhere between a Pentium 75 and a Pentium 90 so I was thinking that it would just work.

But that is not the processor we in fact have.

What would you rate our processor as being equivilent to or better still has anyone tried Realplayer on the unit?

I am also very dependent upon the Microsoft Agent text to speech reader. It seems to have lower limits around a Pentium 75 equivilent. Anyone know if it would work?

Would going to linux as an OS help? Evidently that would only be in respect to Realplayer . . .

And in a similiar vane, is the 256 colour limit a function of the screen or of video memory? My Thinkpad 310 runs 800*600*256 colours or 600*400*65000 colours in Windows but has been tweaked to do 800*595*65000 colours in linux and perhaps a similar trick would apply in this case if the screen is capable.

Thanx and any further thoughts about multimedia possibilities would be appreciated.

Cure

02-05-2002 12:29:47

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) lchop
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Here is what I have found...

1. The 510 is relatively slow, I would say that it has at most the performance of an Intel 486DX4 100 MHz processor or just slightly less.

2. The screen can run at 16bit color if the resolution is dropped to 640x480 according to the control panel, but I have not tried it.

3. I have tried as low as 64 kb/s WMA files using Windows media player 6.4 and it is very choppy.

4. I doubt linux would be much better, with X windows running and real player on top of that I doubt you would see a speed increase, probably a slow down. However, using a comand line MP3 player and ditching the GUI will probably pump up the max playable MP3 to at least 256 kb/s. But no pen GUI means no pen so then whats the point.

I hope this helps, I'm probably going to ditch mine because its too slow.

-GatorGeek

02-05-2002 13:11:17

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) wanderer
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I've got it up to 16 bit @ 800 by 600 with the chips98 driver. Media Player and, I assume, RealPlayer, aren't a good match. There are allusions to low-cpu-usage multimedia players on the freeware pages, but I haven't had a chance to try any. The cheap memory I found, of course, won't work in the 510, but it's got my CTX EZBook spinning! Still looking...
RecycleSave@aol.com
02-05-2002 15:50:31

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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While the video controller might sayit is running at 16 bit I have doubts that the actual lcd can resolve 16 bit color. I don't remember ever seeing a DSTN color screen that could actually display 65536 different colors. I could be wrong though, I guess you would need to find some soft of color wheel picture to see if there really is a difference between the 256 color setting and the 16 bit setting. There used to be some pictures highlighting the difference between 4096 colors and 65536 colors on an pocket pc site, this was in regards to the ipaqs. Try these

http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/General/RickJ/colordepth.htm

http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/General/RickJ/colordepth_2.htm

PeteB

02-05-2002 19:58:52

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) cure
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Wanderer,

The 16 @ 800 * 600 is excellent news.

Now when you say that you used the chips98 driver do you mean that you simply downloaded and installled the most recent driver you could find for the appropriate chips & technology video chip or something more involved/diferent? I am doubly curious as I am to get a Point (with a 65548 chip) and I have a Thinkpad 310 (with a 65550 chip). The limitation on the Thickpad is memory (1 meg). Was that the limitation on the Point that the new driver somehow overcame?

Thanx,

Cure

02-05-2002 22:47:06

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) epodfreak
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I know from hacking on the Epods that it has a DSTN screen and was originally locked at 256 colors, but via some .dll replacement, we got them to what was shown in the 'system info' as 16-bit, and it surely looked good as a picture viewer, albeit a slow one.

-Epodfreak

02-05-2002 23:36:14

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) Doug Cook
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Questions for the Fujitsu Point 510 owners:
(1) For those of you that have Panasonic CF-01, does the Fujitsu 510 DSTN display provide better visibility in full/partial sunlight than the CF-01 display ?

(2) Is it confirmed that the Chips & Technologies 98 video driver will support 16-bit color @ 800x600 resolution on the 510?

Thanks !


Doug
02-06-2002 14:30:34

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) bholio
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wanderer,
Does that new driver work on Win95? Or do I have to move to Win98? Where did you find it?

Thanks..

02-06-2002 15:06:38

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) wanderer
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The drivers I've been playing with are at:http://www.asiliant.com/driver.htm . The only one that gave me 16 bit color in Windows 95 is the portrait beta. Can't get the portrait rotation to work, but the colors are there. The driver that 98SE installs works fine. I tried the portrait beta there, too, but still no luck on screen rotation. I loaded the same bitmap (I picked one with a lot of flesh tones, if you get my drift) on the desktop and several 510's (and a 1200) to make sure I was actually getting 16 bit... A decent media player remains a problem; it won't even do a scolling screensaver very well!
RecycleSave@aol.com
02-07-2002 22:30:18

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) thekeen
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Hi,

I just installed the portrait beta driver for win95 and I now have 16 bit colors! Thanks wanderer. Now here is the question. When in 16 bit mode there is a line of garbage at the bottom of the screen. AM I the only one with such a problem?

Thanks,
TheKeen.

02-09-2002 05:33:00

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) wanderer
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There is a sixteenth of an inch of "garbage" under the taskbar. Set to autohide and it goes with the bar. 800 x 599? It's the same way in 98 with the portrait driver at 16 bit, doesn't show at 256.
RecycleSave@aol.com
02-09-2002 17:07:29

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) cure
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I have been experimenting with the drivers suggested by Wanderer using a Chips & Technologies 65550 chip on a Thinkpad 310 with 1 meg of video memory. From the photos I believe that the Fujitsu 510 uses a Chips & Technoloiges 65548 chip. I don't know how much video memory it has.

The experimental windows 95 portrait driver worked on my thinkpad, that is, it offered portrait mode. Whereas the windows 98 portrait driver gave me errors every time I tried to enter portrait mode. Neither driver gave me 16 bit colour @ 800 * 600 as I hoped that they might. I do lose the screen real estate at the bottom in Linux where an x configuration gives my 16 bit colour * 800 * 595. Any thoughts on how I might talk windows in doing the same thing?

Also in the driver package that Wanderer was expertmenting with, there is an accelerated driver. That is what I am currently running and although I notice no change, I am curious as to what this accelerated driver is meant to do. Accelarate? Beats me . . .

Cure

02-09-2002 19:07:39

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) mcascio
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I'm slightly confused - perhaps someone can clarify.

I've downloaded the file: W95110.exe from:
http://www.asiliant.com/driver.htm

I'm able to go 640x480 (16bit) although it just shrinks the image down versus scaling it to the entire display area.
I'm still limited to 256 colors at 800x600.

I'm running Win95. Should I be able to view in 16bit at 800x600?

Also, what's the trick to getting the screen to stay on longer. It goes off after about 50 seconds of no screen interaction. Annoying when reading long threaded forums.

Thanks.

Mario

02-10-2002 14:01:01

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) wanderer
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Mario, the driver to use with 95 is W95244P.EXE. Portrait mode doesn't work, but it'll give you the 800x600 @ 16 bit. Set the power savings in the BIOS -- double-tap the screen as it's booting, right before it beeps, to get there. If you go to control panel/ point 510 setup/ boot / enable setup prompt, it'll tell you when.
RecycleSave@aol.com
02-10-2002 22:00:34

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) mcascio
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Wanderer,

Thanks for the details. I got everything working.
Has anyone else noticed the system refresh to be slower at 16bit (800x600)?

02-11-2002 09:25:34

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) poisonfistclan
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hello
yes the display applet does show the refresh rate at 52 when i had it up to 72 before the driver replacement!!.
it does in fact display pictures better than at 256 colors!

and i also have been succesfully using winamp to play mp3's on this device ,and the highest kps ive gone up to is 192kps with no skipping and a decent reponse time from the application itself when i do things like adjust volume and change tracks and such.

02-22-2002 19:59:49

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) lchop
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poisonfistclan,

Can you specify your setup, because I had no luck running winamp at those bitrates. What OS are you running, which version of winamp and how much RAM do you have.

Thanks.

02-22-2002 21:17:31

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) lchop
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poisonfistclan,

Can you specify your setup, because I had no luck running winamp at those bitrates. What OS are you running, which version of winamp and how much RAM do you have.

Thanks.

02-22-2002 21:21:50

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) poisonfistclan
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hello
i have the standard 32 meg ram , and win 95 that was already on it when i got it.
i used regcleaner and dll archive to cleanup the ssytem a bit but that had nothing to do with the media playback.

i just used winamp 2.73c , and than deleted everything in the winamp directory except the .exe and deleted the skins directory and all the plugins in the plugin directory except in_mp3.dll and out_wave.dll than i just used preferences to configure to play around witht the plugins till i felt they were okay.
if you want email me and ill email you the winamp.ini so that yours will be configured the same way

02-23-2002 13:33:07

New MessageRE:510 multimedia capacity? lack thereof? (modified 0 times) wanderer
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Congratulations on getting Winamp to work! Send me that ini and I'll post it at http://briefcase.yahoo.com/recyclesave
RecycleSave@aol.com
02-23-2002 14:20:08

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