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Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) smigs Profile Hi guys, I bought one of the 1200's in the group buy and I am now looking at the CF-01. Are there any owners of both who can give a comparison. The 1200 has a P120 and the CF-01 has a AMD 5x86 133 Mhz. The 1200 has a 2.1 GB HD and the CF-01 has a 1.6 GB. 1200 comes with (at least ours) with 32 MB and the CF-01's come with 24 MB. The 1200 has a 8 inch screen and the CF-01 has a 7.8 inch screen. The whole thing is that we got our 1200's for $150 and the CF-01's are going in the mid to upper $300's. Opinions welcome! I do not own a CF-01, but I like the 1200 so far! 05-21-2001 11:59:31

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) kenkahn Profile | Email i chose the 1200 over the cf-01 after comparing the specs. it depends on your references. i want it to be my car's multimedia unit that plays mp3 and dvd (external drive hooked up w/ decoder pc card). with not alot experience to back it up, but i have doubts about the power of the amd 5x86 comparing to the p120. as noted in other discussions, the 5x86 is more like a souped up 486...not close to the pentium. 1200's p120 has ample power and ram is expandable to 48MB. for HD, i'm gonna stick in a big one to see how it's going to be. just hope that randy got some 1200s left for me :) 05-21-2001 13:27:43

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) jim52 Profile | Email I've had a CF01 for a couple of weeks now and it's a pretty slick unit. Size wise, it's really nice and tiny. My 1200 showed up today, and it's a little bit bigger. Speed wise, they are about the same in my opinion. Color screen, about the same, though it appears the 1200's LCD might have better off axis viewing. I these tablests up for a couple of reasons. GPS moving map, wireless web surfing, storing digital pics while on vacation...and pure selfish geek reasons, 'cause they are cool. I like 'em both. The CF01 makes a great knee mounted GPS moving map when flying - I've got the pivot software working on it and it's pretty slick. WIth the 1200, I haven't had a chance to see if the pivot software works yet, but I'll find out soon. For me, when I'm flying the size of the CF01 is a big deciding factor. They are both cool. The next big question is who has the better battery life when the wireless 802.11b cards come in later this week. I'm pretty sure the 1200 will win in that category. The 1200 also supports card bus PCMCIA, so you can get the cheap(er) D-Link cards. CF01 is not card bus capable, so I had to buy some more expensive Orinoco cards for that machine. My daughter loves the CF-01 (she's almost 4). I having a feeling she'll feel the same way about the 1200. I've rambled...hope this helps -jim 05-21-2001 21:18:30

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) bus_depot Profile Well, I'm the one who put together the group buy on the CF-01's, so my knowledge of the CF-01 is greater than that of the Stylistic, but here's what I can tell you. (Look here for more details on the Panasonic, or see the CF-01 BBS here .) PRICE: The Panasonic is slightly more expensive. The Stylistic is about $150. We are now splitting up the CF-01 package so you can get a Panasonic for about $200. (See Details below.) CONDITION: Here the Panasonic has a huge advantage, as it is brand new and factory sealed with the 3 year Panasonic warranty card. By comparison, the Fujitsu units are very well used, having been retired from industrial use where some/all of them probably took a beating. They have no warranty. As could be expected, reports have varied on the condition of the Stylistics that have been received ... one person's looked almost mint, but another's had a cracked case and appeared to have been dropped, and another had the port cover missing. All of the Panasonics are in the same condition: brand new and mint. STYLISTIC'S ADVANTAGES: The Stylistic uses a Pentium 120 vs the Panasonic's AMD 133. While one report (above) says the two units are about equally fast in actual use, the AMD bench-tests closer to the speed of a Pentium 90, so theoretically the Stylistic shoud be just slightly faster. Also the Stylistic is shipped with slightly more memory (32 mb vs. 24), although of course you can add memory to either. The Stylistic also has a sound card, whereas with the Panasonic you must buy a PCMCIA sound card. (If you want to play MP3's, get a Stylistic.) PANASONIC'S ADVANTAGES (besides being new): It is half the weight and considerably smaller than the Stylistic - much closer in size to a CE handheld unit, yet with about the same screen size as the Stylistic. Also, a docking station/stand is inexpensively available for the Panasonic, which adds a bunch of additional ports, monitor output, and onboard floppy drive. (It also allows the unit to be used upright or double as an electronic picture frame when not in use.) Also the Panasonic has a Windows 95 preinstalled (upgradeable), whereas the Fujitsu's hard drive has been wiped clean. And the Panasonic does not require a special stylus like the Fujitsu does. Frankly they're both bargains. The Fujitsu's larger size (and as-is condition) make it less desirable for my particular needs (wireless networking, portability, and websurfing). On the other hand, I must admit some curiousity about it. I almost bought one myself, just to get a chance to play with one. In fact, I still might, down the road, especially if the price drops further. But it would be as a toy, not to replace the Panasonic. For daily use, I can't see using the Stylistic when the Panasonic is smaller, lighter, and newer. I promised price details of the Panasonic CF-01 group buy. (Please understand that it is not my intention to step on the toes of the Stylistic group buy by providing this info, but according to Reldridg's post the Stylistic buy is over as of this morning anyway, and clearly this info is relevant to the thread.) You're looking at about $360 for a complete Panasonic CF-01 kit, or about $200 without the docking station. The complete kit includes the unit, charger, battery, docking station, and manuals. (Full details/pictures here.) Alternatively, you can get the Panasonic without the AC adapter and docking station for about $200. This would require getting an AC adapter to power/charge the unit with. The Panasonic's input is DC 15 volt/2.6 amp (and battery output is only 12v so there's some leeway there), so it's nothing particularly unusual. Parts surplus places often sell various orphaned AC adapters cheap, which could be easily modified to fit the Panasonic's plug size. On a quick search I saw one for $29 that looked promising on one website; I'll bet one could be found for less if you looked a bit. You can also get a docking station separately for $185, including the AC adapter/charger. The advantage of getting a second docking station is that you can keep one in your office or another room in your house (or even in your car!), and dock the unit in two different places for storage/use/recharging. The group buy on the CF-01 is pretty much over, I am just selling off remaining units. Once they are gone, ebay will be the only source, where they're going for $410+ with docking station (and not available without). The piecemeal prices (unit alone or docking station alone) may change +/-10% as we are still working the details out, but the $360 kit price is a sure thing. Complete kits are shipping now; split-up units will ship in about a week and availability may be quite limited. Anybody who would like more info can Pmail me at tech@busdepot.com. Please refer to this thread when emailing me. 05-25-2001 06:26:31

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile By comparison, the Fujitsu units are very well used, having been retired from industrial use where some/all of them probably took a beating. Oh, come on. Most of these units were field units, not industrial. And yes, mine was mint, if someone told me it was new I would have believed it. That includes an inspection of the internals. And don't think a few CF's did not get delivered in non-mint condition, there are messages about it right on these boards. Where's the warranty on those? If a 1200 is DOA or defective they can be replaced by the seller. The Stylistic has a tougher screen, longer battery life, mouse button 2 on the pen, VGA and parallel port onboard, cardbus support, and a larger hard drive. You can get a port adapter (docking station) for it, for a lot less than $185, and that docking station includes a USB port, while the CF's does not. Advantage 1200. My Stylistic's drive was not wiped clean, it came with a minimal OS (Win9x command prompt) on it. If they included freeware laplink on it you wouldn't even need to pull the drive to install a new OS. If you don't have the docking station with your CF, DCC through the serial port is heinous, and I'd hope you're not sticking with Win95. You also did not mention the CF has 64K colors, while the Stylistic has 4K. Advantage CF. I'm not even sure what the 1200 weighs, but it's nothing that causes any problems for me. Personally, I can't see how anyone would go for a slower, more expensive device when this thing is available with more features out of the box (except for colors) for much less, especially when you factor in AC adapter and the sound card you would need to get extra for the CF, never mind the mods you'd have to make for comparable battery life. A true bargain. 05-25-2001 08:07:08

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Greenspark, Do you have a line on docking stations and other replacement parts for the 1200? Ebay has been a bit dry. Viv 05-25-2001 08:17:08

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile Viv, yes, I'm working on something, will report back when I get a final answer. 05-25-2001 08:47:34

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile I will say CF-01 and Stylistic 1200 both are great. It is true CF-01 is slower and no sound card but it is much lighter(2.2 lb vs 3.9 lb). You don't want to carry Stylistic 1200 around if you have CF-01. I have CF-01(thanks, bus_depot) and I am buying Stylistic 1200. The reason is my wife won't let use CF-01 in bathroom :), so I need a cheap one to be used by me only. I think "New" is the factor for the higher price at CF-01. It is just like New Civic may cost more than used Accord, you never know what happened to the used one. Just IMHO. 05-25-2001 09:50:21

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Drogue_Anathema Profile I almost bought a CF-01, but frankly the price was the biggest issue. Like Bus_Depot, I predominately wanted something to use as a web pad, and for e-mail, etc., and the CF-01's smaller size and lighter weight would definitely have been an advantage (I agree with Greenspark that "newness" is not much of an issue, with the possible exception of the battery - my 1200 itself is in near mint condition). But I visit a lot of multi-media enabled sites, and the lack of sound in the CF-01 was an influence in my decision as well - to add that capability would increase the cost even more. Frankly I'm not that interested in the docking station, so a CF-01 without one would definitely be more attractive. I bought a picture frame stand at Aaron Bros for $5, and that props up my 1200 just fine when I want to plug in a keyboard and use it as a counter-top e-mail station. I can access a floppy drive and CD-ROM through my network, so the only reason I'd want a port replicator would be for the USB ports, which the CF-01 doesn't have anyway. But if I have to buy a sound card and an AC adapter that would push the price back up again and it would still be twice as much as the 1200. Don't get me wrong - that's still a great price, and if it were the only thing going I'd buy it in an instant. But I'm a cheap bastard and after recently spending a lot on some networking equipment I was ready for a bargain. It's a tough comparison; I wish I had both. If someone wants to send me a CF-01 I promise to do a rigorous side-by-side comparison and post the results. 05-25-2001 09:59:01

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) bus_depot Profile Oh, come on. Most of these units were field units, not industrial. And yes, mine was mint, if someone told me it was new I would have believed it. And don't think a few CF's did not get delivered in non-mint condition, there are messages about it right on these boards. Where's the warranty on those? If a 1200 is DOA or defective they can be replaced by the seller. Actually, not a single CF's was delivered in anything less than mint condition. Every single one of them is absolutely virgin, in the sealed Panasonic box, with no exceptions. (That is, the ones I got as part of the group buy; can't speak for any being sold on ebay etc.) And there was only one message, not "messages", on the bbs about one individual discovering a minor defect on his unit (a screen abberation, which he opted not to send for warranty repair). Regarding warranty, the CF's carry a 3 year factory warranty from Panasonic. While nobody has yet had to avail themselves of it, I was assured by the distributor prior to purchase that Panasonic is indeed honoring it (why wouldn't they?) and the warranty is indeed packed with the unit. So while I can't confirm from experience it would seem very reasonable to believe that a 3 year factory warranty is fully in force. By comparison, the Stylistic includes only an initial DOA warranty from the private ebay seller (excluding cosmetics); beyond that, no warranty of any sort. And the battery and pen are sold as-is with no warranty at all. I don't doubt that many of the Fujitsu's will indeed arrive in good to excellent condition. But since these are used rental returns, it is not a sure thing. With a relatively small number of Fujitsu's received so far, there have been three reported problems so far (two of them quite minor): one cracked case, one pen with the battery contacts corroded, and one screen that (so far) likes to construe a single click as a double-click. Compare this to the Panasonic, with many times more people on the bbs yet only one reported problem altogether. None of the three problems with the Fujitsu is by any means insurmountable, or a reason not to buy one. But it does illustrate the fact that there is a bit more risk buying used than new. You do make some other good points regarding pros and cons of the two units. The availability of USB on the port adapter, if you find/buy one, is a very nice feature that would be nice to have on the CF, and yes, the HD is slightly larger (but of course can be upgraded on the CF, and I'd presume on the Fujitsu as well). Regarding the Fujitsu having a right-click button on the stylus, the Panasonic does not require a powered stylus (it uses a standard palm type stylus, included), but does have a right-click button directly next to the screen on the unit itself. And as far as using it without a docking station, I'm not sure I understand your point. How would you connect the Fujitsu to your PC without a docking station, any differently from the Panasonic? In both cases you could use a network card (wired or wireless), or the infrared connection if your PC is so equipped. Why use DCC? The only difference is that you could do this in minutes with the Panasonic, since right out of the box it is already running Win95 (with networking). Then if you wanted to upgrade the OS you could simply copy the files over the network and do whatever you wanted; no need to remove the hard drive. You like the Fujitsu. I lean toward the CF-01. That's why there's chocolate and vanilla. If my needs were different (such as playing MP3's) I'd feel differently. I don't mean to get into a pissing contest here; fortunately they're both available so we can choose one or the other (or both!). The main reason for my response was to correct any mistaken impression that the CF-01's are in anything less than mint condition. 05-25-2001 10:28:19

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pat the Hack Profile Let's not get into a pissing match here... The two different computers are just that, different. Horses for courses, as the saying goes. I wrote a brief comparison of the Stylistic 2300 and the CF-01 (end of thread here). The greatest thing I see in the CF-01 is its size - it really nearly fits in the palm of my hand. I had to go to the park and watch the kids the other day and I popped the CF-01 in its Mead 5-Star case and, while I was too far from home to go online (though it did work for quite a way up the street), I still found it useful. I would not have brought the Stylistic. It has an annoyingly short battery life with the wireless card (originally 45 minutes, but changing to a base-station model of communication and using the card's power management, this is up to an hour and a half, but still falls far short of the 2300's 4+ hours) Both the digitizer and HWR on the CF-01 are far behind the Stylistic (using CIC Handwriter 1.6)... They're both good computers. And considering the fact that a year ago, you coulda bought maybe a ThinkPad 730T for the same price, they're great bargains... Pat the Hack 05-25-2001 10:36:19

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Pat the Hack Profile Re-reading my previous posting I should clarify - it is the CF-01 that has an annoyingly short battery life... Teach me to edit in one of these tiny windows... 05-25-2001 10:38:21

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile You're certainly keeping track of the 1200's in great detail. Interesting. Why use DCC? Because, without purchasing a docking station or network card, I can walk up to my PC, hook the DCC/laplink cable into my 1200's parallel port, and be transferring files at a good clip (or even do networking using my PC as a socks server with DCC). Oh, and the 1200 also supports Zoomed Video. Forgot about that. Not meant to be a pissing contest, just a comparison of features. 05-25-2001 11:07:17

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email Battery life on the 1200 isn't great either. About 1 hour when hooked up to my GPS...Good thing I got that cheap Ratshack car adapter ! 05-25-2001 14:50:00

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile In fact, a pissing contest will be interesting... 05-25-2001 18:48:19

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Well to add my two cents. I have both of them and I like them both. I also have a stylistic 500 and a Ricoh G-1200s. In the past I have owned 5 or 6 other pen based systems as well. The cf-01 is increadible for it size and the docking station is the best solution I have seen for a pen system. It would be nice if it was a little more powerful and had sound built in. If they had made a follow up it would have probably had both and been very nice. The dock could also us a type III slot, one is enough, and a more adjustable hinge angle setup. For the size thought the cf-01 is pretty amazing. The 1200 is substantially larger but also much more modern with cardbus, zoomed video, pentium 120 and up to 80m memory. If you need the power or features then you can't beat it, especially given the price which I hope might even go down a little more (I want another). Battery life on both is pretty much a bust so that is not really a contention point. I have a feeling that accessories for the 1200 will be much easier to find. I was the one that found the memory for the CF-01 through trial and error. The 1200 is actually listed by memory companies. Of course there is not much that can be added to the CF-01, though a source for batteries would be nice. Basically if you need the features or power, or price is an issue, go with the 1200. If you need the size or dock, or newness is an issue, go with the cf-01. PeteB 05-26-2001 00:33:12

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email Since we're comparing tablets, how would you compare the Ricoh and 1200 in terms of size weight ? I was surprised to see the Ricoh weigh at virtually the same weight as the 1200 ! 05-26-2001 00:44:43

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) MaDJoE Profile Hey yellow1 how much did you pay for the car adapter at radio shack? 05-26-2001 01:34:32

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email I got it last year for my laptop. It's one of these universal ones where you can change the tip, the voltage and it goes up to 4 amps I think. I think it was $40 or $50. Can't find it on their website It was called "laptop adapter" I think. 05-26-2001 09:24:36

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Weight and size wise the Ricoh G-1200s and the Fujitsu 1200 are about equal. The 1200 is a little wider, the ricoh a little thicker. About half the weight of the 1200 is battery, on the ricoh it is only about 1/6 as the battery is the width / thickness of the unit but only about 2.5" high. Battery life is pretty close, never really measured either. PeteB 05-26-2001 14:46:33

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Yellow1, Good call. I had one of those for a portable radio but it wasn't as powerful. I think this one might be closer to what you have: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F018%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=273%2D1815 Only $16.99. If it'll work, it sure beats paying $60 for one on eBay. Another thing to try when I get my unit... Viv 05-26-2001 20:56:35

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) MaDJoE Profile That's cool VivianC will these actually work? 05-26-2001 21:11:50

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Yellow1 says it does. I will try it with mine as soon as it arrives and let you know if it is the same. Viv 05-26-2001 23:06:34

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email Mine is close but not exactly this one. I'll got to my local store tomorrow and post the reference number, wonder why it's not on their website ! Amps seem OK on the one you found, but I belive voltage isn't going to be high enough at 12V, the 1200 being 16. 05-27-2001 01:09:32

RE:Stylistic 1200 Compared to Panasonic CF-01 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email ok, went to my store and that's the reference of the one I have : \ http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F018%5F000%5F000&product%5Fid=273%2D1825 Discontinued apparently which is a shame because it's a bargain at $69.99 and $39.97 in the store ! I'll start a new thread to give easier access to that info. cheers 05-27-2001 18:24:31

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