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SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor.
could use some help.

New MessageSD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Quickavenger
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This is my first post and I have been lurking for a little bit. I used a hidden SD card reader that I purchased from a led shoppe. I removed The card holder and then using the diagrams I soldered the card holder to ide cable then the ide cable to juicebox. I'm sure most of you have seen this. after much reading I put my 512mb ultra secure digital card into my juicebox and turned it on And as I assumed with my luck nothing happened. So i restarted the Juice box and held the play key and the rewind key bringing up the test menu. I tested the memory and i got a SD/MMC error message Just out of curiosity I tried it a second time and it recognized the 512mb SD card. but when I restarted the same always happens one error then it recognizes. I have absolutely no idea why its doing this. Is it because the card is not MMC? did I not solder something correctly? Any suggestions or Ideas would be greatly appreciated.
09-22-2006 19:53:31

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Tom61
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Sounds like you either have a loose solder joint, or your Juicebox actually needs the pull-down resistors.
09-24-2006 12:13:01

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) jbfan
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Quickavenger wrote:

I tested the memory and i got a SD/MMC error message
What is the actual message?

-J

09-24-2006 19:22:22

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Quickavenger
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sd/MMC card error then press any key to continue.
I press the play key.
then I get ROM test it says
Size detected-8m byte address range 0-07FFFFF
calculating checksum...
rom checksum: 3496e78
then i get the sdram test-
testing first 2m byte
addr range: C000000-C1FFFFF
PASSED

cartridge test 1-4 not found.

then If i go back and do the mem test again.

Sd/mmc test

Volume serial: f66a491
Volume label: NO NAME
memory size 1018m byte
fat type fat: 16
total sectors: 1989565
bytes per sector: 512
reserved sectors: 2
Sectors per FAT: 243
number of FATS: 2
FAT2 Sector: 245
sectors per cluster: 32
root dir sector: 488
root dir sectors: 32
Root dir Entries: 512
Number of clusters: 62157
Cluster 2 sector: 520
I have tried both my 512 sd card and my 1gig sd Card.

09-25-2006 06:19:05

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Jazzoo
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I'm probably way off base and I hope this is not a distraction but ...

1.) After successfully recognizing the card, have you tried to vibrate/move your setup looking for intermittent opens?

2.) From you description, it seems you have a situation where the device toggles between states (not work, work, not work, . . .).
Toggling would indicate some kind memory, either an actual value written to persistent RAM (I don't think the JuiceBox does this) or capacitance. Any chance you did not connect both SD Pins 3 and 6 to VSS Connector pin 21/19?

I just completed my first SD/MMC interface PCB using the diagrams on the Wiki.

The SD Card holder is wired directly to a home-made card-edge connector/PCB.

Looking at the Mini-SD on the same page there are resistors, capacitors, and an inductor.
Should my "design" contain decoupling capacitors between VDD and VSS? Does the "real" SD-Card handle hot swapping of the SD-Card (i.e. the insertion switch)? Darn, I wish I could find an MP3 Kit locally.

Initially the SD Card was formatted FAT32. The JuiceBox would start and just play the Demo ROM.
The Memory test showed the SD card (sorry I did not note the values from the test) but no dice recognizing the SD-Card or reading MP3s.

I reformatted the card to FAT16 and was rewarded with the "MP3 Program" loading. Unfortunately the first MP3s I copied were all >44kHz and would not play. After copying some MP3s @44Khz life is good (need to resample my library).

SD Card tested

Lexar SD 1 GB SD Card
-- Back of SD Card --
SD1GB-120M
1204435
A040507B

JuiceBox Memory Test
please forgive my formatting




- Page 1 - - - - - - - - - - -
SD/MMC Test
Volume Serial: 77777777
Volume Label: NO NAME
Memory Size: 1022M byte
FAT Type: FAT16
Total Sectors: 1997609
Bytes per sector: 512
Reserved sectors: 8
Sectors per FAT: 244

- Page 2 - - - - - - - - - - -
Number of FATs: 2
FAT2 Sector: 252
Sectors per Cluster: 32
Root DIR Sector: 496
Root DIR Sectors: 32
Root DIR Entries: 512
Number of Clusters: 62408
Cluster 2 Sector: 528


The lay-out was done in Eagle. I would be happy to forward the file(s) to anyone.

Has anyone dug really deep into the Samsung documentation (Datasheet/App Notes)?

Has anyone found a distributor willing to source the processor (single parts)?

Is anyone using the Red Hat Pro-Tools chain to develop code?

I know, first post enthusiasm...however, yes I've read every post on the board and most of the Wiki.

Thanks again for all your work, advice, and enthusiasm. I look forward to contributing to this wonderful “hack.”

09-25-2006 08:12:00

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) jbfan
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Quickavenger wrote:

sd/MMC card error then press any key to continue.
Sounds like it is reading the card but doesn't recognize the format. Have seen something similar with an SD formated with ext3 (I think).

I have tried both my 512 sd card and my 1gig sd Card.
Are both cards the same brand by any chance?

If the wires between the JB and the SD are too long it could cause problems - wouldn't expect it to switch between working/not-working every time though.

Tom61 wrote:


or your Juicebox actually needs the pull-down resistors.
Starting to think this may be worth a try.

Jazzoo wrote:


Should my "design" contain decoupling capacitors between VDD and VSS?
Does the "real" SD-Card handle hot swapping of the SD-Card (i.e. the insertion switch)?
If you are having communication problems with the SD adding bypass may help otherwise probably not needed.
The JB does not support hot swap - you need to power cycle to get it to recognize a new card.

-J

09-25-2006 10:42:53

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Quickavenger
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yes both of the SD cards are the same brand nearly identical I was wondering if this might be a problem. whats strange is the first time I do the test it fails and every other time afterwords it reads it but then when I restart the JB it then doesn't work again until the second test. and the pull down resistors I don't know much about maybe some one could give me a link with some info it would be greatly appreciated and thanks for everyone's help so far. I can take a few pics of my JB and my not so great soldering job if that would be of any help.
09-25-2006 16:03:25

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) jbfan
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yes both of the SD cards are the same brand nearly identical I was wondering if this might be a problem.
For some reason I'm starting to see chip set information in SD card ads (Hynix/Samsung/Lexar etc.) so maybe others have had interoperability problems too. If you can get your hands on one, try another brand. Oh, one thing I always forget; you need at least one mp3 or jpb file on the card or the JB will go into demo mode.

and the pull down resistors I don't know much about maybe some one could give me a link
The mp3 cart has pin 20 connected to vss through a 100K resistor and pin 22 - 100k to vdd, any value between 10k and 100k should work for either.

I can take a few pics of my JB and my not so great soldering job if that would be of any help.
Wouldn't hurt but it doesn't sound like you have done anything so wrong that it would standout in a picture

-J

09-25-2006 17:17:37

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) WestfW
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How long is the cable you're using? It's one think to not that a floppy cable fits
an MMC card, and another to use a full-length floppy cable in your adaptor. At the
speeds the juicebox is driving the SPI interface here, you want to keep the cable
as short as possible, I think.
09-25-2006 21:43:07

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) Quickavenger
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my IDE cables have been cut to about 3 inches. I think i may try to re-solder the 3 & 6 to 21 see if the two wires are just not connected well enough. then after that I think I'll see if Maybe its my SD card. and If that doesn't work I'll try the drop down resistor. Just so I am understanding right to do the drop down resistor. you attach a resistor to pin 20 then attach the 3&6 to the resistor. then attach a resistor to to pin 22 and then connect pin 24.
09-26-2006 04:34:31

New MessageRE:SD problems with SD/mmc adaptor. (modified 0 times) jbfan
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resistor to pin 20 then attach the 3&6 to the resistor. then attach a resistor to to pin 22 and then connect pin 24.
Yes, that's it essentially. You don't need to span the cable, all the connections can be done at the JB connector - 100k between pin 20 and 21, 100k between pin 22 and pin 1.
09-26-2006 09:42:20

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