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New MessageCustom CE a bust (modified 0 times) scotch
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As I posted earlier, I have been trying to roll a custom version of windows CE but I've been tripped up right out of the gate. Platform Builder has a fundamental limitation in that the OS loading program can only transfer your images via one of 3 pipes, NE2000 ethernet, serial or parallel. There isn't any way, AFAIK, to write the image directly to a device; you've got to use the bootstrapper.

So, unless someone has added PCI ethernet, serial or parallel to their IA1 I don't see any way to continue with the project. Microsoft is supposed to be shipping a new Platform Builder around talisker (next gen CE) so I will revist it then unless anyone has another idea.

On that note, I've succeeded loading Jailbait (thanks ranman) and am working through some network routing issues, but at least the thing is doing something.

Ranman: I picked up a 256MB CF card and tried to install Win98 on it, but it locks on startup. I put 98 on the CF by installing it in a desktop PC and loading the OS from there so my problem is likely related to 98 choking on the hardware switch. Do you have any tips? What did you do?

09-20-2001 15:40:44

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) ranman
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Scotch,
Most likely the win98 install died on your with around 16 or 17% of the install left to do. That is when it is trying to determine the hardware. You should be able to boot into safe mode and see that only a few things are there. I think it hangs on using the ACPI stuff.
Anyways, I had the same problem as you when I just transferred the OS from another computer. It also did not work for me when I just ran 'setup' from the dos prompt on the ipaq with NO switches. BUT, good news here, I tried reinstalling it using

setup /p d (which prevents it from detecting devices)

and it went through the full install, albeit just VERY slowly. See http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q128/4/00.asp

Then after windows is installed, it should run fine (but no sound, no modem, yucky video). Then go to add new hardware, hit next, hit next, hit NO (I want to select hardware from list), select system devices, then select Plug and Play bios (failsafe). I am going from memory here, so this might not be fully correct, i.e. you might have to delete everything from the system devices box.

By doing this, win98 should then detect all the necessary devices and keep running fine. Of course though, then you will have to load the drivers for the modem, sound, video, and maybe the amd 4-1 driver things. If you need the drivers, let me know. The ones I use for the video, sound and video all work well.

On a 256mb card though, there might not be enough for the cabs dir (110mb) and a minimum install. Take a look at the switches, I think there is one to override that setting. If you do try the above, BE PATIENT. It is unbelievably slow when the ipaq is doing all of the work installing.

Dialup works well, get 50+k, mp3s play well with winamp at around 30% cpu util or so, and the video looks pretty dang good at 800x600.

ranman

09-20-2001 18:34:19

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) ranman
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Scotch,
Oops, I didn't read the second half of your message about tsf'ing from another computer until I had written the first part of my message.
The best thing to try would be to boot in safe mode, and delete any and all of the devices and see what happens - but since you can't add devices in safe mode, you have to get back to a normal win98.
Maybe holding shift down at bootup (or is that only for software?). I tried using the program built into win98 (can't remember name now though) that lets you select what should and shouldn't load - had NO luck with that though. Spent countless hours with no success.

Good luck!


ranman

09-20-2001 18:41:26

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) twood2k
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Hi, You can make a custom CE Image, Here is how to do it.
Create the CE image, This is called nk.bin.
Copy that file to the CE device via ZIP Drive or somthing.
10-06-2001 09:06:37

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) twood2k
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Hi again, Here is more detail on creating and using a CE image.
Use CE builder to create the system you will be using, In my
case its a eMachines msn companion with the Geode chipset.

Once you have it built, look in projects release or debug folder, depending
on how you built it for a file called nk.bin. This is the CE image.
I booted to a Zip drive on the eMachines and used fdisk to redo the eMachine's
sandisk for one partition. I then rebooted and formated the sandisk using /s.
I loaded config.sys/Himem.sys, autoexec.bat/loadcepc.exe and the nk.bin onto the sandisk.
Reboot without the Zip and the image should load.
you can also just tyep loadcepc and the image will load.

Good luck!
BTW anyone have the linksys usb 10/100 ethernet and sound intel drivers for the eMachines/Geode?

10-07-2001 07:05:34

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) Chicago773
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Wow - sounds like real progress. Can someone in here do a set-by-set? Could a USB Compact Flash reader be used to replace the existing OS - is the new BIN availalble for download anywhere?
10-09-2001 10:34:36

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) nettie
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Hello twood2k, any chance to have a wince 3.0 devkit image please? (I have an OC3 internet connection) I live in Italy and I cant order it ;( Or at least an image compiled for my IA-1 (please :)) Thanks a lot in advance.
Best,

nettie

10-11-2001 09:04:06

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) Myrddin
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Can someone try this on an IPaq and see if it works (I don't have mine yet)? Hopefully it will work from the internal CF drive.
10-11-2001 14:00:03

New MessageRE:Custom CE a bust (modified 0 times) Myrddin
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TWood2k, are you using the free Microsoft trial version of CE Platform devkit 3.0 or are you using the full production version, if you are indeed using the trial, what are the limitations to it?
10-12-2001 09:12:54

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