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New MessageWin 98 Performance (modified 0 times) rman
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The CE project looks like it will take a little bit of time so I am going to try to use a Win98 platform in between. Right now I have one iPaq running Jailbait in my kitchen for browsing. The Jailbait version is tough on my wife and family and honestly not my first choice. I have a few questions about Win98 that I hope someone who is running it can answer. First, how is the performance? I don't expect to run Excel or anything, just Winamp, IE, and the like. Also, since it is Win98, can I get a 802.11b USB device to work with it? I would think it should but I haven't seen mention of it yet. Lastly, does anyone have an idea how long a Microdrive will like when worked like this?
12-23-2001 22:49:17

New MessageRE:Win 98 Performance (modified 1 times) keith721
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rman -

Win98SE from an external 256 meg CF card worked well with either a Kawasaki or Pegasus USB adapter. I tested both 3COM 3C19250 (KawasakiLSI) and 3COM 3C460B (Pegasus) adapters, and they worked with no problems. I presume that so long as you have the appropriate Win98 drivers, most any USB device should work reasonably well. ranman uses a microdrive and mentioned it gets awfully warm, but hasn't reported any long-term problems (yet )

keith721

12-24-2001 02:52:13

New MessageRE:Win 98 Performance (modified 0 times) rman
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It seems you have run all of the OS's on your iPaq ;) Which one do you find to be the most usable? Jailbait is leaving me wanting a little more. I read someone talking about trying to get Konqueror running on the iPaq and that would improve the situation greatly. I am thinking Win98 might present me best functionality but my $99 internet appliance just turned into a $300 internet appliance ($99 IA1 + $140 340M Microdrive + $30 USB NIC).
12-24-2001 10:01:45

New MessageO/S options (modified 0 times) keith721
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yeah, that's the problem with these sub-100-dollar bargains.

one of the advantages a well-built JailBait Linux distribution will give you - it runs without the need for the MicroDrive which costs more than the IA-1 itself. the distribution rasmus has put together is actually quite good, and continues getting better. it includes the absolutely most recent LINUX kernel (good for USB) and latest USB network drivers (works with more USB adapters.) if you haven't paid $30 for the NIC yet, you can actually get a $9.99 Xircom NIC or a $19.99 3Com NIC from TigerDirect that will work with Linux and Windoze.

personally haven't used Konqueror but don't have any problems using Linux in general. the best option may be what bball has done - using a Linux server box, run the IA-1 as a remote X-terminal where all scratch, bookmark files, etc. reside on a network share mounted from the server. if you already have a Linux server, this is definitely less expensive and more reliable than the microdrive, although it requires an investment in configuration and troubleshooting.

you've already discovered the largest disadvantage to using Win9x on these appliances: although it's convenient, it really costs you in terms of needing hard disk space for swapping and having only 32 megabytes of RAM for the operating system. that's why they used WinCE or QNX or another small-footprint embedded o/s when marketing millions of these units - it's multi-million dollars cheaper in materials and manufacturing costs.

i don't have a microdrive; i configured and ran Win98SE from a 256 meg CF card just long enough to prove it worked, and configure the drivers. if i decide to spend the money for a microdrive in the near future, i don't think reliability should be much of a problem. these devices were originally used in embedded systems for industrial automation and production monitoring, often with WinNT embedded, and have been around for a couple of years, now. ranman has been using his ia-1 with a microdrive for months now, and hasn't reported any problems. maybe if we research the suggested operating temperature range and MTBF on these devices, we might be pleasantly surprised.

finally, if i planned to setup an IA-1 for the wife to use, i honestly believe i'd search and pay for the least expensive 1 gig microdrive, and create a 256 meg swap file on it. the long-term WAF (wife acceptance factor) is well worth the short-term $$$ spent.

just don't let her find out the price of the microdrive, no matter how cheap you find it

12-24-2001 11:40:12

New MessageRE:Win 98 Performance (modified 0 times) rman
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You can't say enough about the wife factor ;) Mine is actually OK with Linux as well (as long as I have K setup for her) and this morning I caught her clothes shopping on the iPaq in our kitchen (the one with Jailbait). One of the eventual goals of the system I am setting up is to have remote cameras monitoring the living room, babies room, and front door and have terminals in the most used areas of the house. To do this reasonably I will need to use X10 cameras and the software that does the multi-room display is not Linux friendly. There is a web version that is available but I don't know how well Netscape will work with it (Netscape on Jailbait pukes if I try to check stock prices on ETrade). All in all Windows is more broadly supported and probably the direction I am headed (plus I work for an all MS shop and that makes a lot of dev and OS goodies available). For the time being I may whip out the latest SuSE and spend some holiday time re-configuring one of my home boxes for Linux. Happy Hacking.
12-24-2001 12:48:50

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