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Be Liquidation Auction
They're selling 50 I-Paq IA-1s

New MessageBe Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Atokata
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And they very well may have a functional BeIA image on their internal CFs.

Picture here: http://www.arpagan.com/auctions/2002Jan16/pics/pages/678_%2010%20DTR%20Web%20Pads%2050%20Compaq%20I-Paq.htm

Auction here: http://www.arpagan.com/auctions/2002Jan16/BE.html

Does anyone live around that area? I'm sure that several people on this board would be willing to chip in to buy one of these, to get the CF image.

01-06-2002 17:37:52

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 1 times) erroneus
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Hrm... those clippers... look kinda familiar... just can't place where I've seen those before...

As an aid to those who don't like "select, copy, paste" to see a link...

http://www.arpagan.com/auctions/2002Jan16/pics/pages/499_%2050%20I-PAQ%20(Clipper)%20Web%20Surfers.htm
There's a nice shot of the clipper... I want the CF image too.

01-06-2002 18:13:10

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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i'm in santa clarita california (north of LosAngeles on the 5FWY), i might be able to go...
01-07-2002 08:26:47

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) erroneus
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Dude! Get me a clipper! :) I wanna have one!

email: xdesign@hotmail.com

01-07-2002 09:08:14

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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FYI, this is Santa Clara, not Santa Clarita. Santa Clara is in the San Francisco Bay Area.
01-07-2002 10:12:31

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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no kidding, santa clara?! =P i know that! i grew up out here, i know the faqin difference. but if i'm the closest person, i might just do it, alright? aren't i a nice guy? mine works, i'm tryin' to help everybody else that wasn't as lucky as me.
dont panic
01-07-2002 10:20:31

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Chase
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Hey all. I noticed SlashDot had a story up about the auction so I dropped this plea http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=25808&cid=2800450 in hopes that someone would send us an image of the internal SanDisk.

Chase


-=-
01-07-2002 14:29:34

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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I will be able to go to this. Is anybody else going? We might want to pool our resources to put in a bid on one of the larger lots. Let me know and I'll plan to meet up with you.

Whatever the case, if I end up bringing any of these units home, I'll make the BEOS image available for those who are interested.

01-15-2002 18:53:40

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) markskinner
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Hi,

you can always do an absentee bid...

http://www.arpagan.com/auctions/2002Jan16/BE_absentee/BE_absentee_form.html

thats what I plan on doing.
:)

mark

01-16-2002 00:17:09

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Carbon
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AirMan,
How did the auction go?
Carbon
01-17-2002 05:02:15

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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Hi Guys,

The auction was fantastic. Heaps and heaps of stuff at incredible prices. It seemed that everybody in attendence got something they wanted and was very happy with what they got.

I managed to score several of the blue IA-1's. I just brought them home a little while ago, so I haven't had a chance to give them much of a going over, but I can report the following: they have builtin ethernet; they appear to be hackable (the cursor is plainly visible at startup); they are running the BE IA operating system.

I plugged one of the units directly into my LAN and fired it up. It got an IP address from my DHCP server and I was able to start surfing immediately. The browser, which I believe is Opera, has Java, Flash, and RealPlayer. I tested RealPlayer by going to Amazon.com and listening to a few music samples. It actually sounded pretty good and the volume controls on the keyboard worked. The rest of the special keys also worked as expected.

That's about all I have for now, but I'll keep you posted. I hope to get an image for you guys soon. Is anybody out there able to host it?

All in all, these units are pretty damned cool. It's a shame that Compaq was never able to sell the Be version in the United States. There was a Be employee at the auction who told me that Microsoft prevented Compaq from selling anything other than the MSN version in the US. They did sell some of the Be versions in Europe, however. Anyway, too bad about Be. They will be missed.

AirMan

01-17-2002 21:07:13

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Beach
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It sounds like you got a great deal! Do you plan to keep them or are you looking to sell them. Needless to say, I'm interested if so.. I already have one but I'm having a blast messing around with it.

I assume the BE image file size would be 16mb.. If so, I could host it for us.

Beach
email: beach At penguinbyte Dot com

01-17-2002 22:48:22

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Atokata
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Hey! Way cool, I'm glad to hear that we'll be able to get a BeIA image. I'd also be happy to host- email me at atokata at home dot com, and I'll set you up an upload account.

(And may we all bow our heads in remembrance of Be.)


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01-18-2002 00:36:54

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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I am more interested in DETAILED photos of the motherboard for the purpose of adding ethernet to the existing systems. Thanks. :)
01-18-2002 01:30:35

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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Hey Guys,

We might have a problem with the BeIA image. I went to dolly the image from the internal SAN disk to my 32MB CF card and the CF card ran out of space. It seemed that dolly wanted to copy 32MB's. It appears these Be versions might have 32MB SAN disks. Does anyone know how I might confirm this?

01-18-2002 13:06:43

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) erroneus
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Oh and WHY doesn't that surprise me?

Microsoft preventing the sale of BeOS in the US... Will these guys ever stop? Would it be going too far to say that Microsoft played a role in the demise of BeOS? I wouldn't doubt it, but for now it's merely my assumption.

"They killed BeOS! Those bastards!"

Hurry! Someone get an image of the BeOS and let's see if we can put it to use!

01-18-2002 13:59:25

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) markskinner
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hello all. after much deleting, i have space on my website for any and all images/notes/pictures etc.

ftp://ftp.skinner.net\incoming (ill move it to) ftp://ftp.skinner.net/pub
100Mbit connection at work (isp)

congrats on the purchase. wish i could have been there. I wouldn't mind you making a profit off of me as you did go to the trouble of getting to the auction.
please email me if you want to sell one. (mark at skinner.net)

mark
mark at skinner.net

01-18-2002 17:21:51

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) digitalhandyman
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is there any chance it's still going on tomorrow?
01-18-2002 19:28:54

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) digitalhandyman
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ok, just checked out site, nix that last question. so, anyone make off with an evilla?
01-18-2002 19:41:02

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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IMAGE NOW AVAILABLE

Okay, here's the deal. The auction units do have 32MB SanDisks, but the BeOS partitions use only half of it. I managed to dolly over just the right number of sectors to create an image file slightly smaller than 16MB. I tested this image by installing it on another IA-1 and confirmed that it works.

The image file is at the below URL for this weekend only. The server belongs to a customer, so I can't leave it up any longer. Perhaps one of the other guys who kindly offered to host the image can download it to their server.

AirMan

http://avion.august.net/be.img

01-19-2002 13:16:06

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) infosponge
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Airman,

I just checked out your download site - no go. A bunch of gobbly-gook. I would love to get a copy of that image.

InfoS

01-19-2002 13:29:41

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) djohnston
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Airman,
I was able download and load the image to my internal Sandisk (infos, save the link as..... be.img), by simply dollying it to my internal disk....

-DJ

First Challenge... Doesn't recognize USB ethernet.... I'm going to try Chris3D's beos image and see if I can "mount" the stock image to add a driver... It looks pretty and sounds nice and supports the keyboard fairly well!

-DJ

01-19-2002 13:45:34

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) djohnston
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OK.... Couldn't can at Internal Disk from Chris3D's image...
But there is a favorite called "Minitel" which accesses program code on the internal disk to run the Minitel Terminal Emulator... Are there other internal applications? Could this be the place to get drivers in... Any bets on wether I'm SOL with regards to getting a Pegasus USB ethernet working with the BeIA image?

-DJ

01-19-2002 14:08:51

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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How do u save the image file?
01-19-2002 15:16:34

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Ok, saved the file and dollyed to my 16mb CF. Booted BEOS right from CF, came up first time. Will dolly to the internal sandisk shortly.
01-19-2002 16:19:05

New MessageI can run it, too: USB mouse works (modified 0 times) RatBastard
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I've got it running from the external flash.

It's pretty nice, I agree. I especially like that the "off" button works.

I can't get it to see USB ethernet either, but it DOES see the USB mouse.

01-19-2002 16:20:19

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Have u been able to connect with the modem?
01-19-2002 16:48:43

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Mirror of the file is up...

http://www.numberporn.com/ia-1/files/be.img

Not sure how long it will be up, I'm just kind of assuming I'm allowed to host large files. I can always move it if need be. :)

Kyle

01-19-2002 17:27:21

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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Now mirrored at http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/be.img
01-19-2002 19:04:21

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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ANOTHER IMAGE

I've posted another image for you guys to try out. This image gives the machine a different look. It's more of a Compaq look than a Be look. Boot it up and you'll see what I mean.

Of possible greater interest is the fact this image has telnet and ftp listening on the Ethernet interface. I was able to connect with both telnet and ftp, but was unable to login, because I had no idea what login ID to use. I don't know anything about BeOS. Is there any sort of common login ID that might work?

The following link points directly to the image file. You'll need to do "Save As" or Shift-Click to download it.

AirMan

http://avion.august.net/be2.img

01-19-2002 19:06:48

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Carbon
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Wow this is great!!
Now if we only had pictures of the components required to add the onboard ethernet so we could surf.
Thanks for the images AirMan. I really appreciate it.
You wouldn't want to sell one of those clippers would you?
Later,
Carbon
01-19-2002 19:38:46

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 1 times) DGMage
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Okie dokie, second image is mirrored. :)

http://www.numberporn.com/ia-1/be2.img

Oh yeah, and I'd be up for buying a clipper if there happened to be one available. :)

Kyle

01-19-2002 19:43:05

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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Where is this second image from? A different unit? A hacked up version of the first one?
01-19-2002 19:59:36

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/be2.img

Mirrored here. Make sure to check your MD5 sums. They're listed at http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/

01-19-2002 20:39:27

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Atokata
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I've mirrored the images at ftp://acapulco.dnsalias.org:2100. I've only got enough bandwidth for three users at once, but I'll leave them there long enough so everyone who wants them can get them. This'll be a lot of fun.
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01-19-2002 20:58:28

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Garfield
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ok, since we're off topic already... for those who are running winblowz or linux, have any of you tried to download an image of the bios? so others like my self could unsolder (groan), program and resolder (groan) the bios back to the ia-1 mb. if you get it, post it somewhere we can download it... mention it to badflash since he might be interested in it too. thanks!
01-19-2002 21:14:55

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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Jack from badflash said he's ready with an image in another thread. It says to email him about it. IIRC, he's charging $10 for it.
01-19-2002 21:25:59

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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The second image came from another unit. I guess Be must have had a couple of different versions floating around.

I regret not purchasing more of these, so I could have sold a few to you guys. I didn't become aware of all the extra goodies until I got home. I assumed the auction units were the same as the TigerDirect units. Anyway, keep an eye on ebay, etc. I got the feeling that some of the other auction buyers might be putting their units up for sale.

I'll try to get some photos soon.

AirMan

01-19-2002 21:42:07

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Anybody get a USB ethernet to work with these images?
01-20-2002 10:06:50

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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Images Removed

Hi Guys,

Just an FYI. I removed the images from the server last night at 10:00 p.m.

AirMan

01-20-2002 10:09:35

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) debrcmj
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Has anybody made any progress with either of the BeIA images?

I've got be.img running on my IA-1, albeit with no USB ethernet. My ham-fisted attempts to mount the BeIA filesystem image have been futile.

I did run fdisk on be.img and it showed a normal looking partition (/dev/hde1 identified as a BeOS FS partition). I tried to 'dd' /dev/hde1 into an image.be file and then load it with loadbeos.com, but the BeOS loader couldn't find any bootable volumes.

I *did* make an interesting discovery while playing around with BeIA on the IA-1. I tried entering a few test URLS and made the following discoveries:

file:///boot/beos
... results in an all-white blank page, but interestingly gives no error message

file:/// (same thing)

file:///boot/beos/bin/apps/StyledEdit?Signature=application/x-vnd
... results in "The local file /boot/beos/bin/apps/StyledEdit could not be shown because the following problem ocurred: Invalid argument"
(I got the application/x-vnd MIME type from poring through a hex dump of be.img--it showed up a LOT)

The browser also seems to take beos:// URLs. I'm not sure what a beos:// URL does, but if you try beos:///, you get the following error message:
no "signature" parameter was supplied

If you go into Favorites, then click on the notepad next to Minitel, you get a URL of beos:///?signature=application/x-minitel. If you open that URL, you get the minitel program.

I've tried many variations on this (e.g. signature=application/x-StyledEdit, signature=text/plain, etc. No real breakthroughs though...

I keep hoping there's some magical URL that will open up a text editor.

Maybe there's a way to trick the built-in browser to execute arbitrary code? If only it were IE...

I haven't found any other interesting signature parameters--I keep hoping there's a magical one that might open up a text editor or something else that would let you fiddle with the system.

01-22-2002 21:42:48

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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If you load Be2.img, you can get to the BeOS desktop by pressing Alt + Q. You then have access to BeOS. I have gone online with the dial-up connection and this version includes realplayer, which works. Still working on getting the USB drivers in. There is also reference to Opera, but I can't tell which browser is actually being used.
01-22-2002 22:35:48

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yellow2
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Airman - How did you get into the BIOS of the clippers ? The usual Compaq key upon boot ? It might help those of us who have an unhackable ipaq.
01-22-2002 23:35:47

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) debrcmj
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Curious,

Thanks :) I'll give that a try tonight. Does that also work on be.img, or just be2.img? That might save me some time, esp. if it works on both :)

Let me know if you get the USB driver running...I have a couple of ideas on how to do that too--maybe I'll take a stab at it tonight.

After posting last night, I did a little bit more probing, and managed to view the standard BeOS init scripts using file:/// URLs. I'm away from my IA right now, but it was something like file:///boot/beos/system/boot/Bootscript (or whatever script you want to look at). I was also able to look at a couple of executables in /boot/beos/apps--StyledEdit, bterm, and Wagner. I couldn't launch any of them, of course, but I could see the ELF signature at the beginning of each.

It hit me that with enough time and patience in a hex editor, it might be possible to tweak the init scripts enough to get a bterm window at boot. Also, I noticed in one of the scripts (netscript?) that the boot process checks for a file called something like 'dont_start_the_network_server'. If that file isn't present, it looks like the FTP and Telnet servers are started--more work for the hex editor, I think :)

01-23-2002 06:27:11

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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It only works in Be2.img. After you use Alt + Q you have access to bterm.
01-23-2002 08:56:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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The second image (be2.img) is the way to go. ALT-Q works well. Once you're at the desktop, you can launch a bterm and poke around the file system.

I believe I figured out why I could not mount an image from BeOS 5 Personal Edition. It's because BeIA uses a compressed file system (type cfs). I don't believe that Personal Edition supports this.

It would be really great to be able to launch applications from inside the browser. I hope somebody can make a break through in this area. I will keep trying, also.

Somebody asked how I accessed the BIOS on my auction units. It was by pressing the Compaq button right after the cursor dropped at startup. It wasn't necessary to crack open the case. From what I can tell, the auction units are very similar to the hackable Tiger units. They do not say iPaq on the bezel and the cursor is very visible at startup.

AirMan

01-23-2002 10:40:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) eHack
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I don't remember who was looking for this, but I'll post it here because I found it in the be2.img. There is a cool little file in the bin directory called cpq_led which allows you to turn on and off the leds at the front of the box. Someone in some other thread was wondering where to get the memaddresses to do this, and I suppose that this file may be decompiled / hex viewed and perhaps, these addresses may be found. Just a thouught. Here's how to find this file: use be2.img and alt - Q. then open the terminal and it is in /bin. I hope this helps someone.
01-23-2002 15:51:53

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) codummy
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I tried the make in the second image, i created a bootable version of beia for compaq, my guess is it is image 1. That would make image 2 the development platform for image 1. Hopefully we find a way to use ethernet.
01-23-2002 22:53:53

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) debrcmj
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Thanks for the ALT-Q tip--it worked fine on be2.img :) I can now browse the filesystem. This looks very promising--if only I could get the USB ethernet working.

Love the cpq_led program :)

I found a driver for the Pegasus USB ethernet adapter at bebits.com. I haven't yet managed to transfer it on to the BeIA filesystem image. I can't mount my external flash (DOS FAT), or I'd just take the direct route. I suppose it could be uploaded from one system, then downloaded to BeIA using wget and a dialup PPP connection. It's late tonight, but maybe I'll try that out tomorrow night.

Also, I noticed there's a /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/file_systems directory containing a file called 'cfs', which I *guess* is a CFS filesystem driver but haven't tested. If so, maybe it works with BeOS 5 PE?

VERY cool image though :) It looks like it'd be very easy to customize (at least, once the USB ethernet is working).

Airman, thanks for dumping the images for us :)

01-23-2002 23:02:43

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yellow2
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Airman - Have you been able to restore the jailbait v6 image to your Clipper, I guess it could be a problem since the Sandisk is 32mb and not 16mb ?
01-24-2002 12:51:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) AirMan
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No! The Rasmus linux3 image does not work on the Clippers! I get the "LI" problem. This is very disappointing. Can anybody help? Why would the 32MB SanDisk make a difference? The BeIA image used only half the SanDisk and it was happy.

AirMan

01-26-2002 13:44:54

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) thinker
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Yes. Lilo is sensitive to drive geometry. A minor lilo tweak would probably be all thats needed to get it booting.
01-26-2002 16:08:28

New MessageImage 1 and 2 boot problems (modified 0 times) infosponge
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Finally, I am at least able to get the Chris3D version running. So I hastily tried the clipper images and I get stuck on a "boot loader" screen. It will not detect any boot volumes. Any thoughts on this?

I dropped the cf into ranish and now it won't detect the card at all, I've tried new versions of ranish and about a hundred reboots, nothing. I am running WinME on my desktop, so I don't have many options here. The laptop I used to format the card locks anytime I drop the PC adapter in. I am somewhat hosed here.

I am wondering if anyone else has had similar problems. Not knowing any better, I tried the Alt-Q with no results.

Since you all are obviously smarter than I, HELP!

InfoS

PS anyone know what the mystery 32 and 128 meg images are that are out on knipster?

01-26-2002 19:48:54

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) codummy
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They are dos bootable images. nothing on them. Just bootable images that someone using win2k and diskprobe could create a bootable cf card from.
01-27-2002 00:57:31

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) 7helusiv
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just got the be2.img image running on my ia-1...wanted to throw this in. opera is definitely the browser integrated into beia, http://www.opera.com/beia/ has some more details.

i would like to see the beia thing come to fruition...fact is, this was a gift to my wife for xmas...and she would've been fine with it out of the box, had it not used msn, not only had the microsoft im/chat client and had a better browser. here is salvation from be.

01-27-2002 01:55:39

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) hwhack
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Too bad BE is kaput!
01-27-2002 10:32:57

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) wizzard32
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i have BE working on my ia-1 any news on getting that USB working yet ?
01-27-2002 10:54:30

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) wizzard32
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hay if someone has a .img of ms companion ver 2 or 1 could you pls email the darn thing to me
01-27-2002 11:04:14

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) ce001
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So - now having poked around and I've found that (1) BeOS is pretty cool (2) it crashes a whole lot less than jailbait (er, mostly it's that crappy Netscape browser's spaghetti code and poor error handling), and (3) unlike jailbait, there's still 4 megs free on the SanDisk, which makes me pretty happy. I'm sure with some effort, I could probably free another couple of megs.

However, not being a BeOS expert, anyone know what I'm missing in order to be able to mount my CF with an MS-DOS? I tried all the usual mount commands, but I either get a General OS Error message, or a "Device does not exist" error. Interestingly enough, the device shows up in the /dev/disk/ide/ata/1/master/0 tree as "raw". I'm guessing I need some kind of filesystem driver which isn't part of the image - any BeOS experts out there that would comment?

Also - anyone know about PPTP and PPPoE under BeOS? Supported? I'd like to essentially use this thing as a dumb terminal to VPN in to work from my kitchen...

-C

01-28-2002 04:00:11

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 1 times) Coward
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Airman,
Or anyone else, would you be interested in trading a Compaq ia-1 or a web tablet(something like the FIC tablets at the Be sale) for a copy of the BeIA dev kit??
It includes docs on how to make a custom BeIA img, and the tool for making said image onto a flash card.

:D :D :D

02-06-2002 23:29:22

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yellow2
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That's interesting, what version of the kit do you have ?
02-07-2002 00:19:34

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Good question.
Can't check as I am not at home at the moment.

I do know its the Dev kit, not the BeIA beta thats readily avaliable around the net.
It is installed inside BeOS (dont know if it will work on PE).
Most in the BeOS community want it to run Wagner, as it gives you a Java enabled browser in BeOS. :)
There is a debugging kit, and a testing kit in there too.
And as I said, it includes a utility to save your custom BeIA creation onto a CF card.

02-07-2002 03:04:21

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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I really want a web tablet, so this is my question to you guys,
Has anyone tried using the BeIA images you guys have on an Audrey??
What other Web Tablets can i look for that may work with BeIA?
02-07-2002 03:54:29

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Carbon
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AirMan,
Haven't heard from you in a while.
Did you ever get any pics of the onboard ethernet on your clippers?
I would really like to try adding this to my IA-1.
Later,
Carbon
02-20-2002 20:15:49

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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Does anyone have an ISO image of the BeIA dev kit available for download?
03-15-2002 12:53:13

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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I put it on 2 sites already.
dunno why they aren't avaliable yet.
03-16-2002 00:41:08

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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Coward,

Could you upload it to my FTP server: 6pack.xs4all.nl
This FTP server runs on port 1972 instead of 21
Use your alias as username and password

03-16-2002 01:13:37

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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I dont know if I am prepared to upload it again.
I am only 56K and takes too long.
Further more, I have been trying to get info from people here to try and help them, and no one wants
to answer my questions.

I cannot test the images myself, as I have been unable to purchase an Ia-1 at a decent price, so require you guys to answer my questions.
Since most of you dont seem interested in doing so, why should I do anymore for any of you?

Before I upload anything else, I want this question answered,
Those of you using the Be2.IMG file from Airman, when you do alt-q to get to the desktop, are you able to access all the home dir or anyothers?
If I roll a new image thats a hacked version of be2.img, and put the pegasus drivers in there, would you guys be able to access/install them???

This is what I have done:
I borrowed a laptop, bought a new cf card, and pcmcia adapter, I was able to DD the be2.img file to my cf card, and after rebooting the lappy, I was able to mount the cf card with that image on it.
I am now able to add other apps to it, such as the mem usage app, pulse (cpu usage) an prolly anything I or you want (soundplay perhaps).
I can then DD the image back to BeOS an zip it, and upload it for you to try.
Is this of any use to you guys????


I am no longer prepared to help anyone, if they wont help me to do it.

03-16-2002 06:34:06

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Yes, you can access the directories by using Alt-q.

And the Be2.img supports ethernet, because I also have a Clipper with a built-in ethernet that works fine with the image.

You should be able to pick-up a IA on ebay, just have to make sure you can access the bios. Since I got the Clipper, I don't need the IA. It is available for $100 + shipping and is hackable.

03-16-2002 08:38:08

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Hi Curious,
thanks for the info.
Finally someone answers :P
I'll get back to you wrt your ia-1, sounds good though.(shipping is a bitch though, as they weigh 13pounds or so right?)


KINGKAJ,
for the time being, I am uploading a hacked version of the Be2.img file supplied by Airman.
hopefully it works.
Use the alt-q trick, then goto your home dir, and you will find the pegasus folder.
Run the installer from BeTerm, and follow the instructions.
You will also find a copy of soundplay :P
In the app dir, i placed a copy of Pulse(cpu usage) and mem_usage apps. (something for you to play with)

Let me know how it goes.

Will do the BeIA Devkit in a few days, when I can use my bro-inlaws cable.

03-16-2002 10:00:02

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Hey, don't worry about the shipping, I'll cover it. It will be in exchange for your help and Dev Kit.
03-16-2002 10:06:29

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Thats nice of you, but you may want to reconsider.
I live in Australia ;)
03-16-2002 10:20:28

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) odie
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Well... I've been examining the differences in the Clipper & IA-1 motherboards:

At first, it appeared that the only difference was the physical RJ45 connector for ethernet. However, at closer inspection I notced that the the chip in the upper right hand corner (along with some capacitors) of the Clipper motherboard was missing on the IA-1. The chip is labeled "Pulse B6006L 0021-C A1 CHINA". I found the following link that details what this chip does: http://www.pulseeng.com/Products/literature/pdf.cfm

The chip is described as "B919: Home Phone Networking Bandpass and 10Base-T Filter Module (SMT) for AMD's 79C978 (B6006)" Crap! Looks like there's a need to add this chip to the IA-1 before onboard ethernet is an option. This chip is supposed to be used in conjunction with "AMD's 79C978 Phoneline/Ethernet LAN Controller". Has anybody spotted this on the Clipper motherboard yet? My hope is that the AMD Ethernet LAN Controller is already presnt on the IA-1.

03-17-2002 00:24:25

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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Coward,

Thanks for uploading that image. I don't have an IA-1 just yet. I just bought a hackable unit in the US and I'm waiting for it to arrive home (Netherlands).
My immediate interest for the BeIA Dev kit is to try and run some of it's components on the regular BeOS.

03-17-2002 11:06:29

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Curious
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Coward,
I'll cover the first $10 of shipping. I don't think it weighs 13lb, but I'll check
03-17-2002 11:59:45

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yoschy1971
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KingKaj,
May I pick up a copy of the BeIA DevKit from your FTP server?
I'm setting up an ia-1 for my father and this would be a great help.
Regards, Jos
03-17-2002 15:18:53

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Freakin
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So did anyone ever get the USB pegasus working for the ia-1? Cause otherwise i don't see the point.

Freakin

03-17-2002 18:49:27

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Freakin,
I hacked the Be2.IMG and put the folder containg the pegasus drivers in it, with some other stuff.
Ask KingKaj to send you a copy o you can try.

There is no point in just copying the files into their appropriate dirs, and when you install,
the is a couple of things you need to do.
So I figure you should be able to instal them after you do the alt+q combo, then run BeTerm to install them.

03-17-2002 22:15:25

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Curious,
let me know a rough figure for postage please.
Also, do you have a PayPal account, or will I need to use BidPay? (sux)
mail me, kimba01@hotmail.com and give me a place to upload the Devkit for you.

No one else mail me about the devkit please, as I will ignore it.
It will get to you sooner or later :)

03-17-2002 22:18:40

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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KingKaj,
I dont know exactly you want to use from BeIA, in BeOS.
The really only useable app would be Wagner (opera browser).
Maybe a couple of drivers (OHCI usb perhaps - [spelling?])
You know, may be better of getting your hands on BeOS r5.1d0 and playing with that.(as long as you can use Bone with your NIC)
Can give you a link if you need it (and if the site is still running)
03-17-2002 22:32:43

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 3 times) Coward
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KingKaj
And others.
If you havent already played with it, heres a link to your very own copy of BeOS R5.1d0 EXP/Dano

Remember, this is an internal beta (if that) so don't be surpirsed if things get BORKED :)
http://snotling.free.fr/

03-17-2002 23:06:19

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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Thanks, but I've got that Dano ISO image from the day it became available.
I'd really like to create my own IA-1 images and, indeed, play around with 'Wagner'.

Cheers

03-18-2002 13:25:28

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) codummy
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Anyone had any luck with Coward's hackes be2.img I would like to play with it if someone can make it available or they could probably give it to iahacking.com. Also Anyone who has the BeIA dev kit, could you find a way to make that available. Please let me know t_o_owens@hotmail.com
03-18-2002 18:55:27

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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codummy

KingKaj has it.
If he cant/wont share it, then give me a place to upload it to you? or even better, find a public ftp i can upload too :)

03-18-2002 19:47:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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I understand there is a BeIA image with the pegasus driver installed? That would be useful, as the current images aren't network aware - unless you have a clipper. Could someone please post it to www.ia1hacking.com? That site is keeping a repository of images for the IA-1.
03-18-2002 20:50:15

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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People,

If you go back a couple of messages in this thread you will find the location of my FTP site from where you can download Coward's image.

03-19-2002 11:45:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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I found the BeOS beta image, but not the 16MB be2.img file. Am I looking in the wrong place?
03-19-2002 20:04:49

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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your looking in the wrong place

look at a post from KingKaj, it has his ftp info.
The drivers are not installed, yet.
(if it works) when you boot the IA-1, do the Alt-Q trick, then go into your home folder and you will see the driver there, use BeTerm to run the installer, and follow the instructions.
ie, dont hook up the NIC until it tells you too, and have ya network setting handy so you can set it up when the network settings screen pops up.

03-19-2002 22:45:22

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) qDot
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I'll throw this up on ia1hacking.com too.
03-19-2002 23:13:15

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yoshy1971
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I took the be3.img from KingKaj's ftp.
On my ia-1 it it starts in recovery mode.
Is the image on KingKaj's server corrupt or am I doing something wrong?
03-20-2002 00:55:43

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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No, it could be my fault.
When I finished "hacking" Airmans orignal Be2.img, I ended up with a 32MB img file.
So, with some screwing around, I got it down to 16MB.

I will try messing with it again, and see if I can fix the problem.

What actually happens when you boot it and it goes into recovery mode??
Can you do anything? get to the desktop or what??

You see, I am doing this all blind as it were. I don't have an IA-1 to test with.

03-20-2002 04:21:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 2 times) Coward
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I think the problem lies with 1 thing.
When I mount the Be2.IMG, the file called ZBeOS is missing, and in its place is another called Zrecovery. (hence your booting into recovery mode I think)
Will do some more digging once you answer my question :)

KINGKAJ, can you delete that file please, as it is prolly just a waste of space :)

03-20-2002 04:28:44

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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yoshy1971
I replaced that Be3.img on KingKaj's ftp with another build.
Please try it.

If it dont work, then I will need you to do somthing for me.
I will need to you archive a copy of the "zbeos" file, its locted in /boot/beos/system/
right click on it (if possible) and do a "copy to" and select either home or desktop. (dont select "move")
After its copied, right click on it and select "Add-Ons" then "zipomatic" and it will archive the file.
Upload this file to KingKaj's ftp or email it to me @ kimba01@hotmail.com

Thanks

03-20-2002 08:32:50

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) yoshy1971
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Coward,
The new image boots normaly, but I did not yet have time to play with it.
03-20-2002 13:57:12

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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yoshy1971
Excellent. Now the hard part, running install from BeTerm :)
Goodluck.
Dont forget, sound play is there too (dunno if its of any use) and also Pulse & Mem_Usage (again, dunno if they are of use except to play with)Pulse & mem_usage are in the apps folder, while soundplay & Pegasus drivers are in the home dir.
03-20-2002 19:09:54

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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Ok, I got the image downloaded to the onboard SanDisk, and unlike Midori, it actually runs at 100MHz FSB. :)

Questions:
Has anyone managed to get the pegasus driver working? I looked in the install script, but several of the executables needed to run it are missing - specifically the network setup utility. Perhaps we need an image with a few of these utilities in place? Also, can you NFS mount at all? If not, I can always stream audio - but running an MP3 player directly from the unit seems more convenient.

Also, does anyone know if these BeIA images can be made to mount CF devices? I would like to use my microdrive as a partition to hold additional software. I think perhaps some of the control panels which are missing are required for this sort of thing?

Thanks :)

03-21-2002 23:05:57

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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radarman,
you talking about my image???
besides looking at the install script, have you actually tried running it from BeTerm???
(it has to be executed from the terminal)


I looked in the install script, but several of the executables needed to run it are missing - specifically the network setup utility.

I can redo the image if its needed.
But, networking obviously works, even though you cant see/access the network setup app.
As Airman & Curious have said, they are able to connect to their network etc, with their clippers.
Try it anyway and let me know

BeIA should be able to mount cf devices, since many IA's that were tested inside Be inc had 2nd cf slots for loading images & music.

03-21-2002 23:42:44

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 1 times) Coward
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Okay, I have sent an email to a friend who used to work for Qubit, when they planning to run BeIA on their webtablets.
I have asked him about networking in BeIA and some other things.
Will let ya know what he says.

If you can try installing the pegasus driver anyway, and see what happens please.
In the meantime, I can make another image with the "network settings panel" included if you want to try it.

Have you tired the other apps I included? did they run okay?
(Pulse, mem_usage,soundplay)
Any other apps that could be useful????
Dont go crazy with ideas though, as I only have 3MB to play with in that 15MB image.
Unless there are those who want a 32MB version :)

Actually, I could prolly make almost anysize you want, as the dev kit allows you to specify image size.

03-22-2002 00:02:12

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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Ok, I hard rebooted and still no love from the ethernet connection. I also tried running the "choose DHCP" script on the desktop, since my network has a DHCP server.

Also, I think you have shortcuts to pulse and mem usage, not the apps themselves. When I click on them, I get an error about no default app.

I know space is limited, so perhaps a compromise is in order. Doesn't BeOS use a "preference file" system like MacOS? If so, would it be possible to simply add a network_setup file with some useful defaults? I guess you probably would have had to have run the network setup on *something* to have gotten that, though.

Of course, what I'd really like is an image I could put on a 340Mb Microdrive image with the works (as it relates to getting a functional system built) :) IOW, can you make the 32Mb image (which I presume has more tools) a 340Mb image, then ZIP it to compress out all the empty space? If I'm right, the 340Mb image should compress back down to something on the order of 32Mb.

While I'm on that thought, does the 32Mb image have the disk setup tool? Perhaps I could just flash the first portion of my microdrive with the 32Mb image and use disk setup to partition the rest? I'm not sure how that would work, but it seems like it would be possible.

I know that's a bit of a tall order, but I could provide you with an FTP server (on a cable modem) to put it.

03-22-2002 06:33:30

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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So you actually ran the installer via BeTerm???
I got a brief reply from my ex Qubit dev friend, but he has answered my questions with new questions :)
So Please be patient while I work it out with him.

One thing he did tell me, was that all network settings are managed via the "setting" Panel in Wagner (the browser)
Or for brute force, via text config files. (will supply more info asap)

03-22-2002 08:19:22

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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"Will do the BeIA Devkit in a few days, when I can use my bro-inlaws cable."

Coward,

Hope you'll meet your brother in law anytime soon. It's weekend and no BeIA dev kit to play with

Cheers

03-22-2002 09:55:01

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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Does anyone know if you need BeOS Pro to run the devkit, and if not, can still get the BeOS professional CD? I've been playing with the BeOS system so far, and it looks like the perfect fit for what I want to do - and doesn't require mucking like Linux. Unfortunately, all I have is the BeOS 5 PE. (is that what that beta CD image was all about?)
03-22-2002 12:44:24

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) qDot
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Kaj, check your site in 30 minutes, qDot directory. :)

Radar, I'll email you.

Kyle

03-22-2002 19:41:51

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Kyle, thanks for doing that.
Radarman,
no BeOS PE is fine.

When you install the devkit, it will seem to stall after in installs just oer 3000 files.
Wait a few moments, then hit ctl-alt-del and kill the thread named "Smoothed"
After another minute or so, it will say installation complete.
Enjoy

03-23-2002 05:28:35

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Coward
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Some Possible bad news for some of you.

Looks like just copuing the drivers wont work.
Was told that you need to get the source code for the pegasus drivers, and recompile them
using the stinger dev environment.

So, still possible, but will take a bunch of screwing around.
And as i said earlier, you may also have to hack the networking scripts to set the sucker up, unless your lucky enough
to be able to do it, via the Browser's setup screen

Good luck

03-23-2002 05:52:26

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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Isn't this the dev kit that everyone has been trying to get their hands on? If so, it seems the only issue is getting the source. Perhaps if we contact the guy that wrote the code, explain what we are up to, he would be willing to share? I think it is at least worth a shot, given all the plusses of BeIA on this hardware.
03-23-2002 08:36:30

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) radarman
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I contacted the developer of the driver - so I'll see where that goes (his email addy is on bebits.com). He does appear to have a lot of commercial projects, but perhaps he won't mind helping out.

On another note, what is it in the BeIA image tailors it to the IA-1? IOW, what module handles the keyboard buttons like the sound, etc? I've been thinking a lot about trying to get BeOS PE on the microdrive. It is only 340Mb, so I may not be able to do much with development, but would it be possible to back-port the BeIA features into BeOS?

Of course, I still want to give a 340Mb BeIA image a try. Perhaps with the entire kit, the Pegasus install script will have all the tools it needs to run?

03-23-2002 08:58:04

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) KingKaj
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Coward,

Thanks for uploading the BeIA Dev Kit. Wagner runs great on BeOS 5.
QDot, could you upload the BeIA Dev Kit to your site so I can take it of mine?

Cheers,

KingKaj

03-24-2002 10:30:17

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) jsmmd
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If anyone who attended this auction has anything they want to sell now, or anyone else, let me know.

email me (see sig.)


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10-05-2002 08:51:24

New MessageRE:Be Liquidation Auction (modified 0 times) Excal
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hey guys i can host any files u want i own my own web hosting company....or if DGMage if u want me to sponsor your www.ia1hacking.com i beileve you are the owner i can host that for u at no charge...I relatively new to this but i have messed with mine a little bit but just thru it in the closet few months ago...but i pulled it out the other day and thought i do something with it...so DGMage if u want me to host your site i can. just give me a e-mail at excal@excal.net im connected at 100mbit on a dual oc-48...so i got some good bandwidth :)
10-09-2002 10:06:52

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