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New MessageIA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) rtrifts
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Gentlemen,

The IA-1 and this page came to my attention last December when Slashdot did a feature article on the IA-1 available at Tiger Direct.

As it turns out Tiger Direct sold out before I could order one that would be delivered for Xmas. I remain interested in getting an IA-1, though I have not as of yet.

Recently, Tom's Hardware did a review of the Flex-ATX form factor based SV24 miniature Mobo.

The link is here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/02q1/020111/index.html

Now, having a look at the photos, is it possible to pull the entire guts out of the IA-1 and replace it with the small SV24 based mobo? The SV24 looks small enough that it all just might fit in there.

Assuming you could, could you then have enough room to install a hard drive (notebook or ortherwise) and - BIG QUESTION - Could you wire up the LCD from the IA-1 to work with the standard port on the SV24?

It seems to me that - if you could do this - you would have one
*awesome* little computer hack project, and it would be a reasonably powerful computer as well - certainly much more powerful than the IA-1.

Let me know on the apparent feasibility of this, based upon the available size in the IA-1. I'd LOVE to know.

.Robert

01-13-2002 18:07:16

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) rprycem
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From what I have read other wise I think that this would pretty much be impossible. The connector for the LCD screen is VERY custom. Not even pin out compatible with anything.
Now keeping wiht the existing Mobo there are people on this board who have upped the CPU upto 450 K6-2 or maybe faster. Also there are a few who have hooked a 9.5 mm drive up to the internal Flash slot. My suggestion is to really read practialy every post on this board. There are some very talented and creative people here who have done a lot of cool stuff with this little boxen.
my suggestion, buy a companion form U-bid. I picked up 2 for $79 a pop. Now they kill you on shipping, but overall it was still with in the $99 @ range.
01-13-2002 18:19:26

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) rtrifts
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Thanks,

I have read all the posts, thank-you.

My only concern was that the overall power of the platform, even after hacking, was a little weak. I did like the packaging and the monitor.

I find it hard to accept that the monitor pin outs are so custom that no manner of inventing a connector for it can be done. I accept that the ribbon cable it has appears to be non-standard, but that does not mean with a soldering iron and a connector that the power can't be split off the ribbon cable and the singlan portion of the cable wired to a vga connector of some kind.

In any event, if it could be done it would be very groovy

Thanks for the reply,

.Robert

01-13-2002 21:18:06

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) ranman
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If this could work, it would be great. But what about the power supply? The IA-1 has an AT PS whereas that mobo wants an ATX. Thus the PS would have to be replaced.

ranman

01-13-2002 22:29:43

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 1 times) shadowsunrise
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Robert,

wouldn't replacing the mobo be missing the whole point entirely? you really wanna pay $99 for a small clamshell case, IR keyboard and a passive matrix lcd?!

In my opinion the whole point of this is 1)it skrews MSN out of an expected subscription, 2) the hardware is worth twice what we (those who got it for $99) paid it for, and 3) you don't need to be big and bad to be cool, check out the threads with all the ideas for uses. we're not going to play diablo on this thing...

it's one persons mp3 player,
another's auto-pc (cpu fitsin a glove box and the raw lcd looks great bolted to the dash),
my girlfriends cookbook,
a web terminal (gee, that's an origional one, hehe),
a really big alarm clock with silly animations done in vga mode 0x13,
a network access point that fits in your bathroom (for those who like a 'puter in every room),
a digital picture frame...

i could go on, but my point is, 1) you replace the mobo, and it's no longer an IA1, it's a whatever-small-mobo-you-get machine stuffed into an IA1 case (i dunno, but that doesn't sound like a hack as much as some creative bashing, soldering and wireing) and 2) it's not always about power, it's being creative with what you have to work with, that's the whole fun of it.

of course, i could be totally wrong and everybody has the right to their own opinion, but that's my 2 cents. feel free to do what you will, but slapping a new mobo in rather than finding a way around the bios just sounds like a cop-out to me.


dont panic
01-14-2002 09:11:36

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) AirMan
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The IA-1 makes a very respectable X-terminal as-is. I have one running as an X-terminal on our dining room table. My wife uses it and loves it. My mother has one at her house (running MSN) and she is now using the Internet for the first time in her life. These things are awesome the way they are.
01-14-2002 11:08:41

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo - NAH! (modified 0 times) jerryn
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I agree the box is fine as is! I've got an 802.11b connection to my server in the cellar.
It's pretty cool. I'm going to load Omni-X tonight and see how well it performs as a
X terminal to my LinuxPPC servers.
01-14-2002 13:51:46

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) rtrifts
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>>My only concern was that the overall power of the platform, even after hacking, was a >>little weak. I did like the packaging and the monitor.

>wouldn't replacing the mobo be missing the whole point entirely? you really wanna pay $99 >for a small clamshell case, IR keyboard and a passive matrix lcd?!

>In my opinion the whole point of this is ... 2) the hardware is worth twice what we (those >who got it for $99) paid it for,

Woah!

I didn't mean to crap on you guys - I am impressed with what everyone has been able to do with this.

That said, one of the big things ppl have needed to do to make this puppy run Win 98 is buy some expensive flash memory/microdrive (or a custom flash to IDE connector and then wire a notebook drive to it - without it seems - then being able to fit the notebook drive inside the case).

Don't get me wrong - there are some kick ass applications for using an IA-1 stock hack more or less out of the box - and I am impressed with em.

My initial "oooh, nice" impression of the IA-1 actually *was* the small package, IR keyboard and small LCD integrated screen. THIS to me was really attractive and would suit my daughter's needs and bedroom size very well.

So: Do I really want to pay $99 for a small footprint case, keyboard and LCD screen just to install another mobo in it? Uhmm... YES. I do!!

My difficulty with the hacks posted so far has been in shelling out some fairly serious cash AFTERWARDS for a 1 gig microdrive. I figure - if I am going to pay THAT, couldn't I put that towards a mobo that would fit in the unit and then hack the screen to work with it? Then simply add on a stock IDE drive? Little more pricey in the end - but not by that much if I slap a 1 GHZ Celeron in it. (I'd prefer an Duron or Athlon, but the Flex ATX boards that I have found so far don't support Socket A.)

Anyways, I didn't mean to make this a political issue or give any offence to anyone. How's about I make you all a deal: I'll buy an IA-1 and do the standard hack - and if I still have my heart set on a FLEX-ATX hack to salvage the screen, I'll buy another and report back

.Robert

01-14-2002 17:33:23

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) thinker
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Don't get too excited about the screen -- it's a passive matrix display commonly found on /very/ cheap notebooks. Also, there's a propriotary LCD controller that's enbedded on the motherboard. Sorry. =/
01-14-2002 22:28:24

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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if the cost on memory is your problem, check out the thread on installing an external ATA harddrive, i'm sure you/somebody you know has an old HD layin' around (i've got 3 in a drawer somewhere), and the rest of the parts can be bought from radioshack for under $50 i'm sure.

if speed is your issue, what type of socket are we working with anyways? could ya just drop in a better processor? i doubt it, but i thought i'd ask.

also, rather than getting another ia1 to do the hack, hack the one you got and get your daughter an ia2, they look a LOT more powerful from just the basic shots i've seen of their innards.

good luck


dont panic
01-15-2002 02:28:01

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) klunk
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rtrifts:

You obviously haven't read MY posts!

A 9.5mm laptop drive fits nicely inside the case.

An AMD K6-2+ is recognized by the bios and write enable is active. Thus you can substitute this cheap ($35 at Tiger) cpu and run the multiplier up to 6X to get very nice 400 MHz performance. (This can't be done with the stock cpu)

Windows 98Lite in slim or micro mode eats less memory than straight Win98 and is quite snappy on the IA-1.

Diablo runs fine. In fact, most games set up for Win 95 and later that can be handled by a slow USB CD (6X) run fine. The Cyberblade video chip even has some 3D capability.

USB accessories like a keyboard, mouse, CD drive, etc. all work fine. For $250 to $400 (depending on accessories) you get a nice, compact and interesting machine. Building one with the info in these posts will teach you a LOT about small computers, esp laptops.

klunk

01-15-2002 06:06:58

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) AirMan
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802.11b? Very cool! How did you do it? Did you throw in a CF card and install pcmcia card services?
01-15-2002 10:00:14

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) AirMan
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Nevermind. I just saw on another thread that you're running Windows, not Linux.
01-15-2002 10:10:32

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) rtrifts
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>rtrifts:
>You obviously haven't read MY posts!

>A 9.5mm laptop drive fits nicely inside the case.

Actually - I had not read the new ones of yours until yesterday. My impression was fomr the earlier UGLY duck tape mod

Is the 9.5mm thickness THAT critical a difference from a 13 mm drive to get it inside the case?

And can you post photos of your work!

01-15-2002 23:48:59

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) klunk
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Well, it's hard to tell, but I estimate the clearance between the 9.5mm drive and case in the corner near the speaker to be about 0.5mm. That's why I said it fits "nicely" in the case; the fit is perfect!

By the way, I emailed a full set of pictures with captions to EyeOnYou for posting on his web site on 22December (at his request). He has done nothing with them as far as I can tell. Maybe someone else can help. I am going through a Comcast switchover at this time, and don't have a web page. I wouldn't know how to post pictures even if I did (I'm a hardware person).

klunk

01-16-2002 08:56:07

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) thinker
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Attach them in an email to thinker-ia1@falcons2000.com and I would be happy to post them.
01-16-2002 09:20:39

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) klunk
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Thinker has been kind enough to post pictures of my hard drive modification at http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/klunk-20020116/

I hope this helps. Also see my posts in the "Getting a HDD ..." thread on this board.

klunk

01-16-2002 10:55:51

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) Gondola
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If it's at all possible, could someone with some expertise look into reusing the LCD? I know there have been a couple comments along the lines of "it would be impossible" but this would be a fantastic small-footprint monitor where you're not going to be staring at it all day.
01-16-2002 15:58:03

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) thinker
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Nothing's impossible, just very difficult. :) So basically, how the IA-1 works is that there is an LCD controller /built-in/ to the Cyberblade i7 controller. It's very popular on el-cheapo notebooks. After a bit of web searching, I am unable to find ANY reference to where you could even possibly buy an AGP or PCI version of the Cyberblade i7. What I do not know is if this LCD controller use a propriotary connection standard. If it's standards based, you could, perhaps, look for another chip that supports the same protocol and buy one of those. Best of luck to you in your search.
01-16-2002 16:50:31

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) stace
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Klunk. Dude.

That is *the* most elegant hacking job I've seen to date. How completely awesome!

I went the easier route: I had a spare 340MB microdrive, so I used that, got Win98 on it using win98lite. Then, I bought a USBhard disk enclosure for a spare laptop drive I had. (I had a 10GB IBM Travelstar, but it whined incessantly and may have been going bad, so I used a spare 4GB Hitachi instead). So my system drive only has 120MB or so available space, but I moved "Program Files" over to D: (using tweakui) and stuff works fine. Threw winamp on there, run mp3mystic on my desktop upstairs and now stream MP3s to my stereo downstairs via my USB Ethernet. And I put a slideshow screensaver on it so it's a good digital pictureframe to boot.

So, all said and done, I spent about $250 - $300 on this thing (including the $99 to TigerDirect), but I couldn't be happier. Well, I *could* be happier. Anyone figure out how to get function keys and a "DEL" key working on the Compaq keyboard? My USB keyboard works fine, but I prefer the wireless one for where this sits and how it will be used.

01-16-2002 21:29:48

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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i just had a thought... when you're in bash on jailbait and you press one of compaq's custom keys, an error message along the lines of 'Unknown Scancode 10e3' or something or other (btw the 10e3 is just a random number i pulled out) pops up, so...

if i recall, some of the conio/stdio functions of C work directly with scan codes (had to use em to get arrow keys in a dos game i wrote way back when in mode 13h), i think it was getkey() or something like that...

well, it's been a good 7 years since a wrote a TSR, and even that was just a clock in the top left of the screen... but, would there be a possible way of writting a program that would intercept the keyboard interrupt, check the scan code against a table of the scancodes for custom compaq keys (which i'll post in a few minutes), and then spit out the scan code for whatever func/del/etc key that you want to map it to?

my proposal is a simple program that catches the keypress interrupt, snags the code, spits out another, all based on scancodes in a config file (unlike the multiple choice ones i've heard other ppl find useless for this). i don't know if dos style TSR's work on win98, but i think they might... i dunno how complicated it would be to port this concept over to linux though, i keep most of my code ANSI compliant, but with multiple consoles and stuff, linux could get confusing.

anywho, any takers? i could use a little help on the TSR bit.


dont panic
01-17-2002 08:27:40

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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btw, klunk, i loved the pics/descriptions of your hack...
but no html! anywho... hope you don't mind, i made a little corner for you at
http://www.geocities.com/linux_ia1/klunk/
hope you like it!
it was a fun chance to play with javascript for me (just 3 pages: frame, menu & view!)

also, if u have a problem with it, lemme know and i'll pull it down, also, i'd be happy to email you a zip of the site.

01-17-2002 11:50:30

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) klunk
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shadowsunrise:

I am delighted with your page on my mods. Keep it up as long as it is useful to the Community.

klunk

01-17-2002 14:44:18

New MessageRE:IA-1 Hack Proposal - Installing a FLEX ATX Mobo (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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happy to be of service. =)

if anybody want's the source http://www.geocities.com/linux_ia1/klunk/ it to display their own hacks, it's just 3 .html pages (a frames page, a menu frame and a view frame with a little javascript), 2 folders (one for text and one for images), and a set of .jpg's and .txt's with the same names.

i also registered a geocities account (linux_ia1) just for use with this board, so until i run out of space, i'll post similar setups for anybody who wants it, just email me the .txt captions and .jpg images at mailto:shadowsunrise@yahoo.com

note: i'll have to remove spaces in filenames to put it on geocities, klunk's is actually a redirect to my work's webserver cuz i didnt wanna change his filenames w/o permission.


dont panic
01-18-2002 08:40:26

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