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Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile I'm putting together a new midori image using opera instead of netscape. This leaves some room on the sandisk for more stuff. Any requests? 01-30-2002 11:28:23

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) GeoDude Profile xmms? Or perhaps a console-based mp3 jukebox frontend for mpg123? 01-30-2002 11:43:05

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile The image already includes XMMS. :) Anything else you'd use? 01-30-2002 11:46:44

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email Well, if you can find some way to get them to static compile, some of the tools from http://bbtools.thelinuxcommunity.org/ would really make a nice addition to the blackbox setup. I've been having a hell of a time trying to get stuff to compile though. Kyle 01-30-2002 12:34:39

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) junkgui Profile | Email Lynx would be nice. isn't there also a small emacs like editor hell even pico, ppl should not be forced to use vi. A jabber client insted of just ICQ. Java!!!!! personal java, java micro edition, anything that will run applets or java standalones would be excellent. Does opera have a mail client? if not... well you could put elm or pine on... BTW try midori linux!!! it is really nice. if you hate netscape crashing with jail bait all the time and haveing to set the volume on the command line with jailbait switch to midori... plus it just seems to have more functionality. 01-30-2002 12:56:00

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Zman Profile Can someone post a working image of midori? Zman 01-30-2002 13:44:05

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) junkgui Profile | Email go to numberporn.com/ia-1/ in the linux files section there is a working version that has xmms, a much more compleate netscape 4.78 and gnome/gtk+/icewm it is much nicer then jailbait which just seems to be hosed for some reason... 01-30-2002 14:24:22

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) KeithC Profile rdesktop(http://rdesktop.org) would be nice. 01-30-2002 16:10:58

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) codummy Profile | Email Will this version of Midori run from a cf card or do i have to flash it to the internal disk 01-30-2002 16:17:12

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) netgator Profile - enable usb mouse I think that it is as simple as uncommenting the Mouse2 line at the end of /cramfs/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config - include the via82cxxx sound modules ie: ac97_codec.o and via82cxxx_audio.o Let me know if I am missing anything here... 01-30-2002 20:21:11

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Karouser Profile how about a calculator thats not reverse polish and maybe python guido says should be able to work "there can be only 1" as heard at closed boardmeeting by Gill Bates 01-30-2002 20:24:06

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) cornflakeboy Profile How about kawasaki ethernet support? I don't believe that's included (please let me know if this is not true). 01-30-2002 20:35:58

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) netgator Profile It has working kawasaki ethernet support. My 3com 3C460b usb ethernet worked great 1st try. I have used both both dhcp or static IP configs. (Use http://localhost/ in Netscape to change the web based Midori mlconfig) 01-30-2002 20:59:21

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) cornflakeboy Profile You're right! It does support kawasaki adapters.... weird though, because i had to configure the thing and reboot several times before it actually got online (I have a 3com 3c460b also).... But at least it works now! :) Thanks for letting me know! 01-30-2002 23:03:28

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) GeoDude Profile Er...I'm almost positive that the 3C460B is pegasus, not kawasaki. Here's a good reference: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=16 01-30-2002 23:28:51

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile Right, the 3c460b does use a pegasus chipset (i have two) but I think the 3c460 without the b may use something different. An any case, it should support kawasaki adapters too. 01-31-2002 17:12:11

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Zman Profile Does anyone know how to mount windows file systmes in midori?....or red hat file systems? Zman 01-31-2002 17:48:55

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email Don't think you can mount windows systems, unless there's a SAMBA capability in Midori I don't know about. As for RH boxes, just connect up using NFS. I'm writing a tutorial on this now that should be on my webpage soon. Also, I'm gonna try digging up an old copy of Interix that I have to see if I can get an NFS server running off this windows box. That would be *awesome* if I could pull it off. :) Kyle 01-31-2002 19:19:14

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) markskinner Profile | Email Hello, I thought I would share some more good news. The midori.img wrked great on the ia-1, in fact i am in the kitchen (wife's ia-1) writing this note. I did note netscape faild to find a file (java related) when I went to yahoo. So, some questions. preferences? any way to save them, ie fonts bookmarks etc. change the initial homepage? the busybox shutdown doesn't work, any other way to shut down gracefully? also the midori page says that acpi is a priority... would be great if the screen at least went dark. fyi using a smc 2202USB ethernet puck. also anyone wishing to get images or link thier website to my ftp server please do ftp://ftp.skinner.net/pub/ia1 some are there. later folks. mark 01-31-2002 21:37:11

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email Just curious, anyone else having weird problems modifying the fstab? I tried to do the usual root remount on the midori image, 'cept there's no / in the fstab. That just can't be good. Kyle 01-31-2002 22:40:18

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Raptor Profile I am at the same point as Kyle. I had no trouble getting the Midori image running, but I have not been able to get read/write on anything but /tmp. I also noticed that the default is to login as "user", which apparently does not have "root" privileges. Netscape is much more stable than on the Jailbait images, but without rw access, there is little else that one can do. Any help would be appreciated. Perhaps Wildwildwes could put some configuration notes here or on numberporn.com?? 02-01-2002 06:22:40

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) junkgui Profile | Email The great thing about midori is the bowser based configuration... go into nescape and type in the url http://localhost and you will get a creen that lets you update and change/save your settings. some stuff doesn't work becuase it sends you to another virtual console and there is no function keys on the key board but to get root access you can click on the "open rxvt terminal" option and get a console logged in as root. I don't know what the security implecations of this are but I am sure that linus wouldn't let it be totaly insecure. (Although anyone can get into root and user accounts w/o a passwd. The fstab problem is bigger... I have yet to figure out how to mount the CF slot but nfs mounting works well... well as well as can be expected. I would like it to happen at start up though... any ideas... it can write to the cramfs file system so why cant we? 02-01-2002 17:04:08

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Raptor Profile The above works well, I was able to mount an NFS directory to /tmp, which is read/write and get the timeserver changed to something that exists, etc. I currently have xmms playing Dire Straits, sounds fine. I am root when I run the terminal out of the browser config. But the rest of the file system is still read only. "mount -o remount,rw /" still results in "Can't find / in /etc/fstab." I just discovered that you can edit /tmp/config/profile then click on update config in the browser, this copies the files in /tmp/config to /config, and presto you have a way to add remote mounts or whatever you want to the startup routine. I havn't tried editing the other files in there yet, but this seem to be the way in... 02-01-2002 18:13:38

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Raptor Profile Oops... No network when /config/profile executes. 02-01-2002 18:38:59

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) KeithC Profile Somethings I'd like to see go into a new Midori image: * Ability to mount the CF disk(/dev/hdc) * Better browser, maybe konquer or stripped mozilla? Opera shouldn't go in for a few reasons mainly stupid banners and closed source. * Multi IM system client. ie.Everybuddy or Jabber * rdesktop Thanks 02-03-2002 11:42:01

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) junkgui Profile | Email Okay if people are building midori img they probably should have symbolic links for all the files in /etc (like fstab) in the /config directory so that the packcramfs stuff can be used to modify the fstab and other files. Does anyone know what I need to do to make the cf slot mountable... does anyone know how the /tmp/dsk_3_... files are created or how they are mounted? 02-03-2002 11:47:41

How about smbmount? (modified 0 times) rlyacht Profile I'd like to be able to mount a directory on a win2k machine using smbmount. Any chance of including that? 02-03-2002 15:45:34

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 1 times) wildwildwes Profile After using Opera some more I decided it really isn't worth it. It's less than 2/3 the size of Netscape which is good, but even for the short time I used it, it seemed to be unstable and problematic. Also, the ad window takes up too much of the limited screen space. I tried Dillo which I found to be super fast and amazingly tiny. The only problem is that it doesn't support a lot of newer web content. That would be fine for me since I'm not going to be doing much web surfing, but I think it's pretty important for other people. Skipstone looks promising but I need to find out how much of mozilla it needs to run and how large those files will be. Right now my priorities are USB mouse support, getting shutdown and restart to work, finding a better/smaller browser, being able to write to more of the disk, some sort of email client, a good text editor, being able to mount the cf slot (I haven't tried it, but it needs to work), samba, rdesktop, and some instant messaging. 02-03-2002 16:04:16

RE:Midori App Requests (Opera) (modified 0 times) RatBastard Profile If you run Opera in "full screen mode" it makes the ad bar go away. You can also purchase the license to Opera, of course. I personally like Opera; I'd prefer an open alternative, but Dillo and that sort of thing just aren't up to snuff. Opera can be configured NOT to run a cache, and not to store cookies, and that sort of thing, so I thought that it would be a natural for this sort of embedded device. It's also way less memory and CPU hungry than Mozilla variants... which is also good in an embedded type device. I suppose I'm trying to politely urge you to reconsider 02-03-2002 18:59:05

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile Well now that you put it that way it sounds more appealing. Can you explain full screen mode? Is it like kiosk mode in some other browsers where the title bar and other window elements go away and the web page expands to fill the screen? Anyway, soon it won't matter as much because i'm going to post an updated build kit with the material to make your own images. Then you can use whatever browser you want. 02-03-2002 19:21:25

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Root Profile Just curious... since i am using the ia1 as a web kiosk, is there any way to restrict access to the browser based configuration tools, i'd realy hate it if people mounted the internal cf r/w ... root. 02-03-2002 21:45:05

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) 7helusiv Profile i like the opera idea, opera 6.0 technology preview 3 for linux is much more stable than tp2. also a good chat client like gaim would be in order - gaim (gaim.sourceforge.net) uses only about 6 mb ram and supporst msn, icq, aim, etc., i like it better than jabber. in opera fullscreen mode, there is not an address bar, but you could map a button to one. it would be nice, however, to use opera's mdi interface; having only one window drastically increases performance. i would be very happy to see gaim, opera, xmms and maybe even the newest winamp 3 beta. also maybe mame and some card games. you could use your cf card for roms, etc. life really is better at 1.2 ghz 02-03-2002 23:53:26

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) KeithC Profile wildwildwes: I look forward to the Midori 'kit' so we can make our own. 7helusiv:I was thinking about mame also, I'd put the usb joystick drives in the image and have mame and roms go on the cf or nfs mount. 02-04-2002 08:39:51

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) RatBastard Profile On Opera, you send it into "full screen mode" via F11... or the menus. Yes, it's what you'd expect... no menubar or button bar. Opera is quite usable without the buttons due to its excellent gestural support (right click and flick to the left to go back, to the right to go forward, etc.) And CTRL-TAB cycles through windows in MDI mode (and there is some gesture, too, but I can't remember it). I also love how Google-friendly Opera is. Type "g something to search for" into the location bar and it runs a query. Excellent. I'm a web developer, and as far as I can see, Opera's only flaw is that it doesn't support some very basic DHTML features, but otherwise it's my favorite browser. I expect to try and map the goofy keys at the top of the keyboard to common opera tasks, so I can do away with all of the chrome on the window, and really have a "kiosk". Regarding the permissions question, I'm not sure, but I expect that the browser-based config can be restricted to specific unix accounts, right? I don't think that the browser config has anything to do with it. Your build tools sound EXCELLENT. I've been waiting for someone more handy than I to put something like that together! Thanks, I'm looking forward to it. 02-04-2002 10:21:10

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile Ok, opera is back. I got skipstone to work with only the mozilla files it needs to run. Unfortunately, those files are just as big if not bigger than netscape. I will probably post skipstone as an option, but opera really does seem to be the better choice. When I said it wasn't stable, I forgot that the version I used was the 6.0 TP3 beta. I went back to version 5 and it seems reliable and it's a little smaller. Anyway, i'll post what i've got so far tonight or tomorrow. 02-06-2002 13:46:10

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) Karouser Profile you know I was thinking a cool addition for the IA-1 might be to haveusb port replicator from a note book put in to the thing some of them are pretty complete and could be well worth the space. anyone thought of that ( i smell; keyboards, mice, ethernet, printer, serial ports, ...) 02-07-2002 05:10:04

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) mezman Profile | Email The jailbait image puts the IA-1 into a black screen after some time. It would be great, when using the IA-1 as a web picture frame, that this wouldn't happen. I don't know if Midori has any exsisting support to control this behavior, but being able to disable this mode easily would be a great feature. Thanx, Chris 02-07-2002 18:41:24

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email The Screen Blanking issue has already been fixed, and we've also got the IA-1 working as an actual picture frame as opposed to just doing web refreshes. Check: http://www.ia1hacking.com/ia1_viewarticle.php?idx=4 Kyle 02-07-2002 19:31:56

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) IMadman Profile DGMage! Picture Frame is the first function I want to use my IA-1 for... the instructions talk about needing an NFS mount on another puter - have instructions on how to do that been posted somewhere yet? I need GNUbie type instructions! If I had that, I think I could follow the instructions for XV to get a picture frame going... Thanx, IMadman 02-07-2002 20:59:28

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 1 times) junkgui Profile | Email if you have linux on your server machine use linux-conf or whatever to shage whatever you like. if you have windows go get diskshare 4.0 from cnet or some other site. install it on your windows (nt, 2000 only I think) machine and right click on the drive you would like to share. Open the share option there will be a nfs shareing tab and where you can share the drive and give the drive a name like its drive letter. Now in midori go to http://localhost in netscape and click the rxvt console option. it should open a root console, once there you can do something like "mkdir /tmp/driveletter" then "mount -o rsize=2048,wsize=2048 your.ip.com:nameordriveletter /tmp/driveletter" I cant however figure out a way to get this in the fstab becuase that is not one of the files sym linked to the config directory. so I put this stuff in a script that I can run when I need my drive mounted. I found that with diskshare I needed to reduce teh rsize and wsize in order to get mp3 playing which is whack but whatever... does anyone have a better way of doing this... anyone cot an image with a functional fstab? I would love it if the opera midori image would get posted. 02-07-2002 22:35:33

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email I don't *think* getting this in the fstab is possible since the directories/files are locked down by cramFS *grumble*. I just put my NFS mounts in my startup scripts... As for NFS mounting, I'll start on that tutorial now, though I'm going to need some proofreading on it to make sure that what I say is correct.. And junkgui, thanks for the tip on diskshare! I didn't know about that, I was gonna try using Interix for NFS mounting... Kyle 02-07-2002 22:43:33

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile AAArrgh. I finally had the thing exactly like I wanted it. Then I erased it and I have no idea how it happened. I have most of the files in other places but I need to get some stuff off the internet and my cable modem is down for maintainance until morning. I'm on netzero dialup now and it really sucks for downloading. Don't worry though. It shouldn't take too long to get it working again. I'm going to try to do it tomorrow afternoon because i'm going out of town until sunday night. 02-08-2002 03:42:28

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) junkgui Profile | Email BTW is you have the midori image there is no need to get xv because xli (xview) is already on there. go to your picture directory and try this: xli -delay 10 *.jpg it does an okay slide show... 02-08-2002 10:06:50

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) IMadman Profile I downloaded diskshare... didn't really know what I was doing, but by following the last few posts I got a slideshow going now! Thanx for the guidance Junk and Kyle! I was trying to find a place to put the commands in, but everything seems to be mounted as read only... the usual things i know to do don't work! What startup scripts did you put the commands in so you don't have to keep entering them manually? Also the etc/X11/XF86Config file isn't there to keep the screen from blanking.. I tried: xset s off, and that seems to do the same thing... unless im not waiting long enuff... =) running xli using xli -delay 5 -goto *jpg -fillscreen -center *jpg ... looks pretty good! Thanx again, IMadman 02-09-2002 01:45:14

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email Hrm, what build are you using? My instructions are for the jailbait build, the Midori builds have a blank fstab (at least, they did, I havn't gotten to try the new one yet), which means you can't remount root... Kyle 02-09-2002 14:49:31

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) IMadman Profile oh - I'm using the latest Midori build... I did see that fstab is blank, it tells me there are no entries when i try to remount root... =) 02-09-2002 14:55:35

RE:Midori App Requests (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile Also, the new one has fbi which you could use instead of xli if you want to. I should have added the symlinks in the new image, but I forgot about that with all the other stuff that was causing problems. The next version will have that or you can make your own with the build kit. The new version enables screen blanking, but as IMadman pointed out, "xset s off" will stop it from blanking. Currently it is basically impossible to modify the cramfs partitions since cramfs is a read only file system. 02-10-2002 17:45:33

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