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Beos Image and Networking

New MessageBeos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) plook
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Has anyone had any progress with adding the Pegasus2 network driver to the be2.img yet?
02-01-2002 19:19:29

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Chris3D
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I've tried in every way I know without success. The issues seem to be:

1 - The pegasus driver is written for BeOS 5, while BeIA seems to be based on version 4 or 4.5 (judging by the about box, or maybe it's a beyond-5 version, I just don't know.)

2 - BeIA uses some sort of compressing file system. I've actually zipped and FTP'd the entire BeIA image to my web site, downloaded it and extracted it to a BeOS 5 install. Unfortunately, the files are completely unrecognized - programs won't run, addons aren't detected, etc. This fact makes trying to graft the BeOS 5 (pegasus driver-compatible) net server onto BeIA impossible.

The only hope, as far as I can see, is to find a leaked full version of the BeIA development kit. There is one floating around, but it seems to be more of a demo or preview than the full kit - it doesn't seem capable of building the final BeIA image. As far as the BeOS in general, I do have a version with support for the built-in audio, but the memory it requires leaves so little left that the system is pretty unstable - a single browser window viewing a moderately complex page (cnn.com, for example) is enough to consume all available memory. And when that happens, it either locks up, the browser quits or the OS is thrown into kernel debug mode. If anyone has the BeOS R3, 4 or 4.5 CD, please e-mail me. One option is to try to configure an image based on an earlier version. R5 really added a lot of media-specific stuff - things that are almost completely useless on these IA-1's. Unfortunately, I threw out my old CD's once I upgraded to R5 and so have not been able to try this.

BTW, I apologize to anyone who's e-mailed me about the BeOS image and hasn't received a reply. I was busy with work for the past few weeks and have only been able to get back to fiddling with the IA-1 this weekend.

02-02-2002 23:39:40

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) plook
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Chris3D, how did you go about extracting the contents of the image file to your current Be installation?
02-03-2002 01:54:24

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Chris3D
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In re-reading my post, I noticed this wasn't clear. I booted to the BeIA2 image and alt-q'd to the desktop. From there I started a BeTerm window, used the included command-line zip utility to zip the entire contents of the OS and then FTP'd the zip files to my web site (all from within BeIA). I then booted from a full BeOS install on my desktop to downloaded and uncompress the zips.
02-03-2002 22:06:33

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) yellow2
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what version of the SDK are you referring to and where can it be found ?
02-04-2002 01:18:38

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) rykenden
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1) BeIA is based on BeOS R5. The problem you may be running into is a difference in the networking stack. BeOS 5.0x runs on 'net_server' and this is what the Pegasus driver was built around. BeIA most likely runs on BONE (BeOS Networking Environment).

The BeIA dev kit I've seen runs on the net_server, that's why I say 'most likely' with regards to BeIA.

2) BeIA does use a compress file system. Your best bet is to make a purely BFS based image in order to access the clipper image on a regular BeOS install.
see this page for some help with that:
http://www.betips.net/chunga.php?ID=510

02-20-2002 18:10:56

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Theres ans easy way to tell if your version of BeIA is using bone.
After you do the alt-Q trick, go through your directory structure,
/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin
or
/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/net
Look if there is any reference to BONE in those dirs. You may need to use BeTERM to do it.

The BEIA dev kit I have, (not the demo/beta) allows you do make your own images, and is designed to run on BeOS pro 5. As I understand it, BeIA is based on BeOS R5, not 4.5. It's possible that the reason you can't use the pegasus drivers is because they may have introduced bone into BeIA before they closed up, but its seems unlikely, as Bone was still in beta, and was never finished. Even the latest internal version that was leaked before christmas (BeOS r5.1d0 - EXP/DANO) has dano built in, but still beta.

This may sound stupid, but you guys are using COPY or MOVE to transfer the pegasus drivers over to the appropriate dir's in your BeIA image right???? simply dragging them wont work.

02-21-2002 07:45:02

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Chris3D
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The reasons I have suspected BeIA was based on 4.5 or earlier was that it lacked the desktop icons 5 had, many of the servers seemed to be pre-5 (based on the size and, again, icons), and that no R5 application will run on BeIA. I'm forget when it happened, but I know the BeOS broke application compatibility when they changed some file ELF format thing (or something like that... it's been a while). Of course, it's entirely possible these are just due to the divergence between R5 and BeIA.

I'm not sure what you mean about using MOVE or COPY to install the drivers, I've done it the same way I do it on the full R5 and it won't work.

02-21-2002 13:38:50

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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The broken compatability you speak of, was when R4 came out and replaced R3.

There is no "desktop" icons in BeIA because you are not ment to be using it as a desktop oS :)

02-21-2002 15:37:33

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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"I'm not sure what you mean about using MOVE or COPY to install the drivers, I've done it the same way I do it on the full R5 and it won't work"

So you ran the installer from BeIA???
I uploaded a BeIA devkit to someone on these forums, I guess once he has played with it, he will make it avalible to you fuys to screw with.
It needs to be installed inside BeOS R5 (pro or PE) only!!!!
Comes with an app to make your own BeIA.img file!!!

02-22-2002 00:41:08

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Chris3D
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Ahhh, that's where the confusion is. I don't have the BeIA dev kit, I ftp'd the Pegasus drivers into a BeIA image and tried to install them from there. So where are all you guys getting the dev kit?? ;c)
02-22-2002 21:26:21

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Okay,
The devkit is uploaded & the ftp owner will prolly let you know where to get it wen he is ready (he is a member here too)
Having this kit will not guarrantee success with the pegasus drivers, but it may make life easier to try and get them working.
You need to check if your current IA-1 image is using bone, if it is, then forget about the pegasus drivers (unless the author release a Bone version)

When you do the ALT-Q trick (not really a trick) what is on the desktop??? Anything folders??? (I dont have an IA-1 so I dont know these things)
if there is no folders, can you use BeTerm and cd into either of the the following dirs:
/boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin
/boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel.drivers/dev/net
If you cant, then try ftp into them and see if there is any files named Bone (or variations on the name bone)
You need to do this, to make sure Bone is not being used by your BeIA.img.

BTW, FTP'ing the drivers wont work either :P

02-22-2002 23:41:10

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Chris3D,
Did you take a look through your BeIA install? Was there any references to Bone????

Airman,
are you interested in selling one of your clippers?
Did you get any of the other IA's that were for sale??

02-26-2002 21:30:34

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Shoot, you guys all die or something?????????
Anyway, anyone have an ftp I can upload too?
I have "rolled" my own BeIA.img that includes the Pegasus drivers.

NB,
I do not know if it will work.
I do not know if you will lose any fuctionality of you IA-1
You use at your own risk (but you can always reflash it anyway)

I am unable to test it myself, as I do not have an IA-1 (none are sold in australia,
those on eBay that are avaliable to Australia are usually a rip off
and none of you were intersted in hooking me up with a cheap one :P )

02-28-2002 01:18:40

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Oh, so there is no missunderstanding,
I "rolled" this image with the BeIA devkit, it's not a hacked version of the images
kindly supplied by Airman.
02-28-2002 01:19:53

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Nah, we've all just been concentrating on Midori. :) Anyways, I don't have an FTP handy at this very second, I'll set one up tomorrow night and email you. I'll be happy to test it out for you, hopefully I'll get VMWare running on the leen00x box this weekend and can play with R5Pro some myself.

Kyle

02-28-2002 01:35:43

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Okie dokie, throw it at

65.30.192.14:21
BeIA/BeIA

This doesn't mean EVERYONE needs to get on and download it too, this is my cable modem so it's gonna go REALLY slow. I'll put it up on ia1hacking.com as soon as I test it.

Kyle

02-28-2002 02:31:43

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) radarman
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Did you include the cpq_led file for LED control? If so, I might have to check that image out. Also, does the image you built have any kind of MP3 player softare? I don't mind NFS mounting a player, but it would be nice to have the player built-in.
02-28-2002 13:16:06

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Well, I see my *log on if you aren't uploading* message did me a lot of good. :P Can't download anything if you can't list, now can ya?! :P

Anyways, problem. The BeIA image uploaded is 32 meg. Which does us absolutly no good, unless you want to run it on a CF card. I'll zip it up and put it on ia1hacking.com anyways if someone wants to play with it..

Kyle

02-28-2002 14:00:16

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Bastards, now ya all active ehh? :P

Kyle, will upload it shortly. Sorry, but didnt get time last nite.
The image I made is about 15MB, so should be fine, the devkit is 56MB zipped, and unzipped will give you a PKG file, this needs to be run under BeOS.
Will post here once its uploaded.
Sorry again for the delay

02-28-2002 18:12:26

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Ok. I'm throughly confused. Who the uploaded the 32 meg image?

Kyle

02-28-2002 18:38:24

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) codummy
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I would really like a look at your image, is there anyway you can get it to me. I could set up an ftp site for this. email me at t_o_owens@hotmail.com
03-04-2002 18:56:54

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) kemster
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i have an ftp site this could be placed on as well. if anyone out there has any more BeIA images/kits, email me.. // kematmit @ hotmail . com

.kemster

03-04-2002 19:33:01

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) codummy
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Coward,
DO you really have a BeIA image you rooled yourself? If so can we see it?
03-13-2002 11:02:13

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) Coward
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Yes I do,
but as I said elsewhere, its for a geode based device, so prolly wont work on the IA-1.
2 people in these forums now have a copy of the BeIA devkit, so you can build your own custom images,
however, I do not know what they are doing with them.
I though they were going to make them avalialbe to others.

I rolled it for the IA-1, but forgot it's not geode based (DOH!)

03-13-2002 20:14:07

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) haiqu
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If anyone has the BeIA devkit available, I'd love a copy. Just ordered an IA-1 and I want to try writing some drivers for unsupported hardware. Even Geode-only stuff would be useful, 'cause I'm also looking at getting an Audrey. Thanks.

haiqu(AT)ob-wan.com

04-11-2002 04:02:23

New MessageRE:Beos Image and Networking (modified 0 times) haiqu
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Some more clues for those interested in BeIA, taken from irc.openprojects.net #newos a couple of days ago:

<geist> yeah, it's not an iso I'm sure. it's probably an image of the hard drive
<haiqu> Ah, ok. It's just labelled be2.img
<geist> which had a recovery partition with it's own little mini-os (by manuel), and another partition with cfs in it (another filesystem done by arve and I)
<haiqu> Sounds cool to play with anyhow. Can't have been too many official Clippers sold.
<geist> that same scheme was used by the evilla
<geist> it had disk-on-chip on it's board though
<haiqu> Ooh, nice.
<geist> and external ide headers to load stuff on

Note: geist (Travis Geiselbrecht) is an ex-Be employee.

haiqu

04-11-2002 09:11:53

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