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New MessageCan't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) RatBastard
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I had a buddy over who knows more about electronics than I, and we took apart my un-hackable IA1 to try and remove the BIOS chip. (I ordered an IOpener BIOS from badflash.com)

We were not able to get the chip loose. It seemed that we could loosen the solder on one pin, but the nearby pins kept it from prying up. It seemed like we would have to heat the whole array of pins at once to get anywhere.

We figure that there is a pretty basic technique or tool to do this sort of thing. Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks.

02-01-2002 23:04:27

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) hw_irq
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Check the Chip Quik web site SMD removal kit.

http://www.chipquikinc.com

02-02-2002 00:21:22

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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I found one website that recommended cutting the chip off, and sodering the new one to the remaining leads; so the circuit tracings don't get damaged accidentally. Now I can't find the web site nor clippers small and sharp enought to do it.

I've heard mentioned before that heat guns (possibly even hair dryers) can heat the soder enough to loosen the chip. Has anyone tried this? If it works, would you just be able to insert the replacement in the same manner or would some soder need to be added by tinning a sodering iron?

If you care... Radio Shack has the Chip Quick SMD1 removal kit listed on their web site... about $18.

02-06-2002 12:35:46

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Might wanna try some desoldering braid too, I've gotten chips off that way before, but it's not easy. Seems like you'd need one hell of a hair dryer to get a chip off, not to mention you might accidently loosen something else in the process.
02-06-2002 13:36:06

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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FINALLY!

Pointed the heat gun at the BIOS... a few seconds later I could easily pull it right off the board. All the soder was still on the board, as though they intentionally didn't install a chip there. I tried (stupidly) to reheat the spot with the heat gun, and than place the new chip in its place. Fortunately I wised up... Placed the new chip on carefully lining up the bent pins with the spots of soder. Then I placed the heat gun directly over the chip for about 1/2 a minute. Afterward I let it cooled. It is now securely "sodered" to the board.

I tested it out quickly before I left for work this morning. It boots up to the IOpener BIOS and was trying to detect IDE devices. I'm gonna pick up a compact flash card during lunch, so I can finish up with it tonight.

The heat gun was only $15 http://www.us.buy.com/retail/clearance/product.asp?sku=70005083&loc=6930

02-07-2002 08:24:35

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) Root
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Hey..

Thinking of doing this myself.

Given no electronics skils but decent hands, how hard is it to replace the bios using a heat gun?
Can i reprogram the bios myself, or do i need to order the $16 one from badflash?
how much will a programmer cost?

Thats it i guess.. thanks for the beta.

Root.

02-07-2002 14:59:44

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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I have no electronics skills. I've never been sucessful with a sodering iron (Just learned about tinning recently). I have unsteady hands, it took longer to line the new chip up than anything else. Just got to make sure all four sides are touching the tracings. The other trick is to hold the heat gun facing straight down on the chip, otherwise it may blow it slightly off balance and not make contact with all the pins. (I did this on the first try, and adjusted it before it caused a problem). Much easier than using a sodering iron.

Oh yeah... when removing the old chip, heat it up for about 30 seconds and than use long tweezers to lift the chip straight off; so you don't move the soder contacts underneath. If you slide the chip off, the soder contacts may touch each other as they will still be molten.

The least expensive programmer I've ever seen was $150, and probably needed a $100 adapter to handle these chips. Unless you're gonna do 10 of these machines, I would just buy the BIOS from BadFlash. Most of the programmers I've seen lately are minimum $300.

The only problem from using the heat gun... is any parts close by the BIOS chip will also be affected. Remove the motherboard from the plastic case. Also remove the BIOS jumper from the motherboard (I didn't and now its stuck... good thing I don't need to clear it).

I was reading thru my old emails... the guy at BadFlash had actually suggested the use of the heat gun.

02-07-2002 16:07:20

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) RatBastard
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One way or another, I'm going to replace that chip.

Whichever way I choose, I'll try and shoot photos and make a quickie howto page ala Rasmus' BIOS-clearing page.

About the chip/socket, I ordered one from BadFlash. It seems to be a cheaper option than a re-programmer

02-07-2002 17:20:16

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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His email mentioned the socket... but all I got was the BIOS chip; no socket. Are the pins on the socket straight or bent over?
02-07-2002 21:44:50

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) RatBastard
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That happened to me, too. They made a mistake. Let them know, and they'll send the socket.
02-07-2002 22:55:18

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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I hope I screwed up...
Partioned and Formatted a SanDisk 32mb compact flash card (two different ways so far). The IOpener BIOS sees the onboard primary/master disk but has yet to detect the CF primary/slave disk. Even if it is partitioned wrong shouldn't it still identify the device as detected?
<sigh> I guess I should've just taken the IA-1 BIOS he offered (Even though the link posted for it was a mostly null binary file).

Anybody with the v531 BIOS able to detect their compact flash card?

02-07-2002 23:09:16

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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Root: Here are some links for building your own programmer.

http://www.zws.com/products/epromr2/index.html (project discontinued, connects to parallel port)
http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/ea/flasher/flasheng.htm (ISA board, can purchase nearly assembled kit from Germany)
http://www.csc-ilmenau.de/index2.htm (PLC32 adapter for above ISA board... in German)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=de_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.meyberg-richter.de%2Fct-flasher.htm (you can purchase the board and adapter from here)

Unless you really want to hack away at this the long, hard way.... I would just order the chip from BadFlash.

02-08-2002 12:05:27

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) Root
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Thanks..

i'll look into that, it seems as if having one arround may be usefull for future projects as well.

Root.

02-10-2002 19:50:43

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 2 times) Miyu2002
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Just for giggle what is the wattage of the heat gun? They dont list it at Buy.com. I have a old Princess Weller one. Great for shrink tube. Never though of it for removing IC.

About ten years ago I was working on a smt project for a small shop that uses a flat griddle afar to heat the board and the chips. Shock the heck ouf of me the first time I saw it.

Tnks for the hint on the heat gun!

Stay away from brade. It good to wick up but takes a lot of heat to do it. ANd even the best skilled can make a mess with it.

02-10-2002 22:36:47

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) TheTick
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From the side of the box:
Maximum 1,500W
Two Heat Settings:
Level I - 700 F(375 C)
Level II - 920 F(495 C)

Kit includes 4 pcs of accessories (just different metal shaped ends).

02-11-2002 07:26:27

New MessageRE:Can't De-solder the BIOS chip (modified 0 times) Miyu2002
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Tnks. :)

The one I have had for a long time is 1200w. Either full on or just air. The "pices" are handy at directing the heat. Have never used the one that came with mine.

02-12-2002 03:44:35

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