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New MessageIA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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Ok..

so i thought my ia-1 might make a nice navigation system, given a usb based gps... here is my question:

-is there anyway to feed it power directly for the car's 12v dc ? (i can solder a voltage modulater so i can also have 5v dc), rather then buying a radio shack 12dc - 120ac module (i am guessing it will ve very inefficient)

- as mentioned in another thread, it would be nice to rotate to display, so i can mount the ia1 upside down, any software solution for this? i am using midori .. how hard would it be to make extension cables, or how expensive is buying?

Root.

02-16-2002 17:27:37

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) DGMage
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Another thing to think about here is instant on/instant off capability like the IA-1 has when using MSN.... I'd like to see that in one of our LInux builds.
02-16-2002 20:22:25

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) IMadman
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is there a small linux program that will do the gps navigation?
02-16-2002 21:58:16

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) erroneus
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Ah! :) Finally!!

Someone else has touched on the idea of mounting the IA1 in a car. I don't suspect the power conversion issue would be difficult to address, though strong protection and regulation is a MUST.

As for Linux GPS software? I have no idea, but it wouldn't have to be all that 'small.' Just take out everything else! There's actually plenty of room in there.

02-17-2002 08:30:08

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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1) Gps Software -

http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=gps§ion=projects&x=10&y=19

plenty to choose from, scroll to bottom..

if you want ALOT of maps, you may consider keeping those on an external cd-ron / dvd drive..

2) power supply -

i found circuit designs to regulate 5,12 vdc (i think it uses the 5705 and 5712 voltage regulators). i have done something like this in the past (wired a cd-rom in my car to play music), but i wasnt too woried about surges, this time we might have to be more carefull.

there is also a circuit design that shuts the computer down after you turn off your engine, with a 5 sec delay, but for all i care i can take 12v dc off the radio, which shuts down with the car anyways.

3) inverting the screen -

still no luck here, hope someone else can help..

Root.

02-17-2002 09:48:33

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) wildwildwes
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I saw something about an XF86Config option like 'option "rotate" "cw"' which supposedly works with some X servers. I haven't tried it though.

I'm sure it's possible to run it off the battery if you're willing to put in the time. You might look at websites of people doing similar projects for ideas.

Windows CE has a pretty good instant on/off capability. You might consider that too.

02-17-2002 14:14:10

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) thinker
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The rotate option is specific to specific X servers. The Cyberblade server does not support it.
02-17-2002 22:05:10

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) sydarm
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I'm pretty interested in this idea. It seems like all the parts are available, except one, which I hope someone can provide some info on. It seems like most (all the ones I could find) GPS receivers only have serial connections. This would apply to all Garmin/Earthmate GPS units in the low end (which is what we would want for this, since the nicer models have a good display and don't need the IA-1 for anything - however, they start at about $900). The IA-1 doesn't have a serial port (that I know of), so it would seem like we'd need something like this:
http://www.usbgear.com/usa/item_288.html
to connect the GPS receiver. The real question is, would this work? I'm hoping some more linuxy person than I has an opinion about whether such a cable actually works/is supported by linux/would be supported by gpsd/etc.
Or alternately, as the person who started this thread said, "given a usb based gps"... anyone know of one?


BTW:
The rest of this project seems pretty doable. Software-wise you have either Hugo (http://hugo.dementia.org ) or GPSDrive (http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/ ), both of which will fit on the CF card if you take off the stuff you wouldn't really need in your car. For power, you can roll your own or use something like
http://www.techonweb.com/shop/products/productdetails.asp?id=880873

02-19-2002 00:02:49

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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ok..

hitting the i-opener board, there are two solutions for mounting the screen upside down..

for windows: http://www.portrait.com , a piece of software called pivot will do the trick.

for linux: http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/xpert/2000-November/003283.html
i havent looked at this link yet, but suposedly someone posted a fix for xfree, at the buffer level (slow).

Root.

02-19-2002 00:43:11

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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Ok..

linux hack looks solid, Midors gods, any chance of building this into your next release?

02-19-2002 00:52:25

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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* bump *

Just thought this was worth a second look by the midori gods.. WildWildWes , any chances of building this into the next image?

Root.

02-20-2002 23:03:09

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) wildwildwes
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If it works, I will include it in the next revision. I probably won't be able to try it until tomorrow night though.
02-20-2002 23:40:12

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) wildwildwes
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Sorry, but I couldn't get it to work. The screen didn't rotate.
02-23-2002 23:04:00

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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WWWes:

Thanks for your time!

just out of curiousty, did the fbdev-rotate.diff.gz patch compile without any modifications?

Root.

02-24-2002 00:40:33

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) wildwildwes
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I didn't patch and compile the file myself since he included an x86 binary in addition to the patch. Also, I wasn't sure exactly what files and which versions I needed to use with it. If I misunderstood what I should have done, let me know.
02-24-2002 01:08:50

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) shadowsunrise
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as far as a serial port goes, i remember some talk about there being what looked like on on the motherboard, but it wasn't hooked up to anything... from what i'm guessing, it might be as simple as soldering the wires for a serial port to just the right place... where that is though, i have no clue.
dont panic
02-27-2002 20:31:18

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) thinker
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It's not that simple. It's similar to the I-Opener in the sense that it has the same pin-count and +15V output. The only difference is that there is a different pin-out configuration. Both require a 232 line driver. I think someone was considering making PCBs but decided against it. I'm sure you could easily build one yourself with an osciliscope, a soldering iron, and a 232 driver from Maxim.
02-28-2002 00:54:25

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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Ok.. here is where my project stands:

* Software:

there are two obvious choices here, midori and windows. i prefer to go the midori way, but since i am planning to mount the ia-1 upside down and linux cannot rotate the display, it is out of the question. Windows on the other hand has software to do this (Pivot), but since i dont have a microdrive to install it on (only a USB drive), this will require some $$ investment, which i rather avoid. the added bonus w/ windows is that installing gps software will be a breeze.

As an aside, i should mention that i did try to physicaly flip the lcd inside the case in verious creative ways, to no success. the data cord is just a bit too short (maybe 1 cm). i did discover that the whole monitor unit can be mounted backwards if you use spacers and longer screws. but that doesnt help me much, maybe it helps you.

* Power Supply:

gave up on manufacturing a voltage regulator from the car's 12v-dc by myself, mainly because the ia-1
requires four different voltages, and i am too lazy to do that, i will just get an invertor from rat shack.

* Physical fit:

I have designed a realy nice bracket to mount the ia-1 in my car, will post pictures during spring break (2 weeks from now)

03-10-2002 20:21:09

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) frankens
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hate to bring this up guys. Over at our local farm & fleet store, they have a little 12v 5Ah battery powered inverter 60 watt continuous 80 watt surge for $14.99 on sale.. kinda blows away building a power supply..
03-11-2002 12:28:58

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Throck
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*Bump*
Root: Did you ever get those pics of the bracket you made up on the net? Im doing very much the same thing, and am curious how you got yours to fit =)

-BcPuX

04-16-2002 17:49:48

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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No, i didn't.

been kinda busy, and the fact that i can't change my password to something i can remember hasn't encouraged me
to post either.

Basicly i took out the glove comparment, mounted a wood plate to the drawer's hinge, and connect the computer to that. so that the hinge can rotate, and also the monitor hinge rotates, alowing the monitor to be positions sort of like an airplane table.

Ron.

here is a side view:


-----------------
|................
|................/xx
|.............../xxxOxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|............../xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|............./xxxx
|............/xxxx
|.........../xxxx
|........../xxxx
|........./xxxx
|......../xxx
|_______o


X IA-1
O Hinge
. space (i will later mount additional hardware there, because it is hidden (GPS, Wireless Lan, etc)
/ the plywood board
| car's plastic.

04-18-2002 13:14:04

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) CoolR
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I have tried the Pivot software from portrait.com and it works just fine. Download the new trial version and test it out on your AI-1, it works fine on my win98SE image. This will work great to mount it under a kitchen cabinet. I also use hotkeys and programed a programable remote from the keyboard to do the funtions. Just wish it had touch screen, but I guess with 3 Audrey in other areas I cant be to picky....
Cii==
05-06-2002 11:09:38

New MessageRE:IA-1 As Car navigation system / mp3 player (modified 0 times) Root
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can you post the codes for the IR remote? i would like to try this myself.
regarding win98, i dont have a microdrive, but i have heard that win98 takes too many resources to play
mp3 decently, let alon run a gps application. i would love to find it out that this is not true, so i can
invest in a microdrive.

Root.

05-13-2002 23:29:24

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