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Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) supermer Profile | Email What you really need is a $43 CF-HDD adapter from AdvanTech (http://www.advantech.com/epc/newsletter/v28-07-15_00/4IDEsup.htm). You still need to do some work with your IA-1 since the CF slot is too small for the adapter. What I did was removing both side panels of the slot to provide more space for the adapter. Then, I connected it to an IDE ATA100 30 GB drive that receiving power from a desktop computer. Everything worked as I expected :) I plan to use a notebook hdd 'cos it doesn't need an external power supply. The problem is though, I don't know if the IA-1's power supply has enough power to supply a hdd. Clearly the ps wasn't designed to feed an additional hdd. CF Slot after removing side panels: http:\www.iamdaniel.com\CF_slot.jpg CF-HDD adpater: http:\www.iamdaniel.com\adapter.jpg CF Slot after attaching the adapter: http:\www.iamdaniel.com\adapter2.jpg Running Win ME from an IDE hard drive: http:\www.iamdaniel.com\winme.jpg IA-1 power supply: http:\www.iamdaniel.com\ps.jpg Enjoy! Mer 11-22-2001 01:18:16

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) tongz Profile Normally notebook HD consumes power about 0.5 A. As I seen in picture IA-1 can support to 5A (for 5 V). Thus I think it should be OK. 11-22-2001 03:41:09

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 1 times) IMadman Profile Mer, The http://www.advantech.com/epc/ appears to be down right now... is that where you ordered the adapter from? Have you noticed any performance issues booting from the hd thru the cf adapter? Oh yeah... Thanx for the info!!! Thanx, IMadman 11-23-2001 01:49:55

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) supermer Profile | Email Hi, The AdvanTech website is up right now. You can call their sales @ 831-438-7198. Thanks Tongz. I've successfully attached an IBM TravelStar 2.5" IDE 6 GB drive through a CF slot last night. The CF slot doesn't provide 5v so my drive gets power directly from the board. WinMe runs great; it takes about 25 seconds from power-on to be ready. No problem running CyberBlade 7i display driver (current resoluation is 800x600 @256). Modem is also working properly. But, I wasn't able to get the sound work. Anyone know where to get the sound driver ? Thanks. Supermer 11-25-2001 13:35:19

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lemec76 Profile | Email Hi. I'm interested in getting an IA-1 for my wife for Christmas and hacking it to put an OS on it. I feel comfortable taking things apart, but pulling power for a laptop hard drive from the board is a little daunting. Do you mind telling me where you pulled the power from, with maybe a picture or two? Also, what kind of adapter did you use to plug the hard drive into the CF slot? If I could get a 10-gig laptop hard drive running in one of these things, it would make an excellent second PC, and it would keep my wife away from my laptop! Any help you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, LeMec76 11-25-2001 18:46:41

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) IMadman Profile Thats the same question I was going to ask. Since all the laptop HD's I know just have the AT interface... I supposed you had to put together something that goes in line with the CF to HDD adapter. If you could provide details of that as well that would be great! Thanx, IMadman 11-25-2001 19:22:16

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email The $43 CF-HDD adapter from AdvanTech (http://www.advantech.com/epc/newsletter/v28-07-15_00/4IDEsup.htm) Is on back order from Taiwan and will be 3 weeks or more to get. Does anyone know of another source to get a CF to IDE adaptor ?? Musicman38 11-26-2001 19:17:12

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) supermer Profile | Email Hi Dustin, You need a $43 Advantech CF-HDD adapter. Unfortunately, it's on back order right now (thanks musicman38). You also need a 40-to-44 pin adapter if you want to connect a notebook hdd to your ia-1 because the Advantech adapter has a 40-pin connector (notebook hdds use a 44-pin connector). This adapter also acts as a power receptacle for the drive. More pics... 40-to-44 pin adapter .. $9 from my local electronics store (Fry's has it for $19!!) http:\home.pacbell.net\svesurai\adap40_44.jpg This is where I get 5v for my hdd http:\home.pacbell.net\svesurai\power1.jpg Running MS Streets and Maps http:\home.pacbell.net\svesurai\map.jpg external hdd #1 -- (very ugly) http:\home.pacbell.net\svesurai\ext1.jpg external hdd #2 -- (very ugly) http:\home.pacbell.net\svesurai\ext2.jpg Cheers, Mer 11-26-2001 23:39:28

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lemec76 Profile | Email Mer, Thanks for the info. That hard drive setup IS pretty ugly. :) But it works, and that's the important thing, right? How does the space inside the case look? Do you think it's possible to mount the hard drive, cables, and adapters inside the case? 11-27-2001 10:26:06

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) old_dog Profile supermer I have a question about your setup. The advertisement for the CompactFlash adapter states that it is a "CompactFlash™ (50 pin) to Hard drive (44 pin) Adapter" link: http://www.advantech.com/epc/newsletter/v28-07-15_00/4IDEsup.htm If this is true then the power to run a laptop HDD should be available through the adapter itself. I believe this is how they power the IBM CF microdrives. I also noticed in your picture that you have a 40 pin IDE ribbon cable connected to a 44 pin connector on the CF adapter. link: http://www.iamdaniel.com/adapter2.jpg Could the power solution be as simple as connecting a standard 44 pin laptop cable/connector to the adapter and the laptop HDD? This would eliminate both the 44 to 40 pin adapter and the need to tap the atx connector for HDD power. Of course this is all bogus if your using a standard IDE HDD. I couldn't tell from the picture if it was a standard drive or a laptop drive. Great job finding the adapter. I only wish I had the money to buy into this hack. As it is, I still have two unopened V2 iopeners and zero time to play. 11-27-2001 11:37:50

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) supermer Profile | Email Hi old dog, It's a 2.5 inch IBM labtop hdd with a 44-pin connector. Yes, you're right. The Advantech adapter does have a 44-pin connector. But when I tried to connect it to a hdd (through 44-to-44 pin cable), the drive didn't spin up. It looked pretty much like the drive didn't get any power at all. My first assumtion was that the Advantech adapter doesn't pass through power from a CF slot. It would be really nice if the adapter had power for the drive, the setup will be much simpler. Mer 11-27-2001 13:26:50

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) old_dog Profile That's too bad. That would have been a sweet hack. I wonder if the Evergreen Turbochip 400 would work as a replacement CPU? I used a couple of these in old socket 7 systems and they worked great. You would have the same power problem as the HD. But, your tap off the ATX connector would work. This is much simpler then the power supply hoops you have to jump through for the I-Opener. lotsa luck 11-27-2001 14:44:31

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lemec76 Profile | Email Has anybody in here messed with the Virgin WebPlayer? It seems like that one might be a little easier to hack... since there's already a hard drive header that supplies power to the hard drive. Granted, the cpu is a bit slower, but has anybody had the chance to mess with both of these machines and compared their relative performance? 11-29-2001 16:10:31

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) rlpeel Profile I was wondering if you could not get enough power off the CF connector why not run the 5v power to the connector card directly.That way you can still use a standard 44 pin connector. Power is easy to find by looking at the 40 to 44 pin adapter. I wrote and asked them where and how much power the CF connector puts out. UUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH where did all that smoke come from. 12-04-2001 17:05:54

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EyeOnYou Profile Has anyone done anymore work on this hack? I would really love to go this route than a 1Gb microdrive or 340 MB microdrive. It's a lot cheaper and gives more functionality. 12-11-2001 22:19:17

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile I agree, this is (would be) a great way to go. Unfortunately, the CF-HDD adapter doesn't seem to be available from AdvanTech anymore. Anyone find a link to the order page? 12-12-2001 18:03:22

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) old_dog Profile I found a referance manual which apparently maps the 50 pin compact flash connector to the 44 pin ide connector. look at page 31 of the linked pdf file. http://www.openhardware.net/ez328lcd/technotes/CompactFlash-v1.4.pdf This is way over my head. I don't even have an MSN companion, but I would be interested if this hack worked. 12-13-2001 07:50:33

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile The AdvanTech device IS available, it's just not in their on-line catalog. I just got this email from them: "You can order this part through our office in Irvine. CF-HDD-ADP $43 You may call my Sales Coordinator, Sue Capo at the extension 114 or email her at susanc@advantech.com." 12-13-2001 14:09:02

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) customsex Profile http://modec.safeshopper.com/64/1988.htm?772 will that work? 12-15-2001 21:50:48

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile I've successfully installed an internal hard drive in my IA1 using the Advantech adapter and the 44 pin cable without a 44-to-40 pin adapter. The reason others have not found power in the Advantec adapter is that it provides only 3.3 volts to pins 41/42 of the IDE socket. You can get 5V there by cutting (using magnification to see what you're doing) the heavy trace on the adapter going from pin 13 on the CF to pins 41/42 on the IDE socket. Check with a meter that you have made a complete cut!!! Then scrape a little section of the trace on the IDE socket side of your cut. Tin the bare spot and tack solder a fine (22ga) wire to the tinned bare spot. Run the wire to the 5V output solder pad on the bottom of the power supply. VIOLA!! As a side note, I broke off pins 1 and 50 on the CF when I removed the CF eject hardware. This is because these pins are longer than the signal pins and are subject to damage. It would be best if you clipped all the CF pins to the same length before getting started. With the loss of pins 1 and 50 I lost my ground connection. This can be rectified by tack soldering a short wire from the ground plane on the bottom of the Advantec adapter and connecting the wire to a local ground on the MB. A good spot is the solder pad you had to unsolder the eject mechanism from. I was able to get a 9.5 mm high hard drive inside the case by mounting it on top of the shield (between the shield and plastic case) on the compact flash side of the IA1 running fore and aft and pushed back as far as possible. This requires minor trimming of the plastic reinforcing rip next to the screw pillor in the rear corner to clear the height of the drive. Of course, you will have to dump the large passive heat sink and go with a smaller heat sink and fan. Finally, a mystery. Can anyone tell me why my 6.49 GB IBM Travelstar drive appears as an "Invalid System Device" if I partition it using the whole drive? If I partition it using only 1.4GB, the drive is bootable! But then, a further mystery. Windows setup still screws things up on my 1.4GB partition, and the first reboot during the install of Win98 shows the "invalid System Device" again. I don't have any problems like this with an old 12.5 mm high IBM drive of 1.4GB size! But, of course, this old drive won't fit in the case... klunk 12-16-2001 08:45:41

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile Great work Klunk! Any photos? 12-16-2001 17:18:00

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) cityhunter76 Profile prob, the reason why you have the problem with the 6.4 gig partition is due to restrictions in some older bioses that prevented access above 4G as for the post install on the 1.4G make sure the partition is bootable 12-18-2001 20:43:52

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile Well, I figured out my hard drive problem. The answer is: don't use an IBM drive! I bought a 10 Gig Hitachi drive (Model DK23BA-10) and it worked perfectly. This is a 9.5 mm high drive, so it fits in the case. I could find no way to make the 9.5 mm, 6.49 GB IBM drive work. I tried "clipping" it with IBM utilities to appear smaller; I tried smaller active partitions; I tried formatting with FAT16; and I tried reducing the UDMA level on the drive to PIO4 with the same IBM utilities. No luck. Hitachi RULES! By the way, replacing the CPU with a K6-2+ (that is, plus) unit with a 128KB on-die cache really improves performance. These chips are available at TigerDirect for $35. A good buy. Finally, WIN98Lite is a great speed booster. I am concerned with the 30MB memory limit on the IA1 (2Meg is for video), and running the "sleek" or "micro" version of Win98 and the Opera browser and Eudora Lite email client really provides snappy performance. I now have a really nice internet appliance with no MSN dependence! klunk 12-19-2001 18:15:08

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile Oh, I forgot to mention. The Hitachi drive boots with the full 10GB partition, so the problem is not with limitations of the IA1 bios. klunk 12-19-2001 19:23:52

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EyeOnYou Profile klunk, could you post some pictures of the wiring job that you did? I'm interested in this hack, but also a little daunted by all the soldering work it sounds like. Some pics would really help. I can host these on my website if you email them to me (sunspot at onebox dot com). Also, where did you get a copy of this Win 98 Lite? I've never really heard of this, except here. Nice job 12-19-2001 20:59:33

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 1 times) lifer Profile How long of a 44pin IDE cable do you recommend? There are a bunch at http://www.cablesonline.net/44pinlapinri.html (I couldn't find any at Frye's.) 12-19-2001 23:01:38

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile EyeOnYou--I'll disassemble the unit (one more time) to get pictures this weekend. Your offer for posting space is appreciated. How do I get your email address privately? lifer--You will need a 5-inch cable for internal mounting. This is also long enough to run the drive alongside the unit for testing and operating system installation. Get everything perfect before you button up the unit! I install the screen without the internal shield or plastic cover so I can see everything, and I run the unit in that condition during setup. The screen installs nicely with the short black screws that you will have plenty of after removing the shield and passive heat sink. By the way, I install Windows from the CAB files on the hard drive, using the IA1 itself. 98Lite gets all the files for you onto the drive if you first partition, format and run 98Lite on your big machine. Don't let 98Lite run the Setup program for Windows until you move the drive to the IA1 (Press esc not enter). Make sure you copy all your drivers to the hard drive before moving it also. Since the drive will only have DOS mode at this point, this is slow if there are a lot. I found that just installing the drivers for my USB CDROM was enough, since I could install the rest of the drivers on the IA1 after Win98Lite is running and the USB CD is set up. Finally, after moving the drive to the IA1 run Setup from the 98Setup directory that Win98Lite creates with the "/p d" switches. (Don't run 98Lite again!) This will disable hardware detect which doesn't work on the IA1--it causes lockups with APCI stuff. The Windows install appears to hang at two places: (1) After the Setup files are copied, the system pauses for 7 or 8 minutes, and (2) near the end of the install the system hangs for about 15 or 20 minutes looking for Windows Help files. Both pauses are due to the Setup program looking for a floppy drive which doesn't exist. Don't worry--have a beer and wait. Once Windows is running, run "Find New Hardware" from the Control Panel and select "Display a List of Hardware". Select "Plug and Play BIOS (Failsafe)" from the "System Devices" category. Windows will then detect all your devices happily. (The drivers are in the 98Setup directory in the CAB files). Also, don't forget to run the VIA 4-in-1 drivers after this and BEFORE you install Video and Sound drivers. Finally, finally, I note that the K6-2+ CPU can have the clock multiplier changed in software using the Power Now! features. Do a Google search for "K6 Tweaks" to find the software. This is another reason to change the CPU to a plus model if you open up the unit, since the original CPU does not have Power Now. Also install a power switch while you're at it. A micro toggle just fits to the right (looking at the back panel from the rear) of the sound jack. This should be enough to get the braver of you out there moving. klunk 12-20-2001 06:24:24

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile Thanks Klunk. One last question - can you explain what 98lite is? Is that just the files on a win98 startup disk? Is it a compact install of win98? I imagine it is created from a win98 or win98se cdrom - how do you create it? 12-20-2001 11:36:42

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) cityhunter76 Profile lifer 98lite is not part of the standard 98/98se. It was a hack to get 98 to run on older machines that ran 95 just fine. (if you upgraded some 95 computers to 98,the system came to a crawl) go to: http://www.98lite.net/ for more info 12-20-2001 11:43:07

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile I am so close to getting a very inexpensive IDE converter cable working. But I need a little bit of help from anyone who has the Advantech connector. 1) Are there any passive components on the Advantech converter? (I.e caps, resistors, etc.) 2) Are there any integrated circuits (chips) on the converter? 3) If you have the time could you you help me copy the converter pinout? I've got about %90 of it right so far, but I can't quite get the last %10 without a real adaptor to copy from. Please e-mail me privately at brian underscore schmalz at-sign yahoo.com if you want to help me out with this. I know I can make a copy of that Advantech converter, and I will be making the plans available for free for anyone to reproduce. So far I've gotten all of the hardware I need for $0. But soldering to the compact flash connector is a beast. So I will be building a run of printed circuit boards that will be really cheap that will do exactly what the Advantech converter does. But first I need just a bit of help to get it working all the way! Thanks- *Brian 12-23-2001 12:24:15

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile EmbeddedMan--I have a spare Advantech adapter that I was going to use on my second IA-1. Do you need the physical unit? How can I help? eMail me at nestell1@home.com. klunk 12-23-2001 20:20:24

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Carbon Profile | Email Embeddedman, Have you made any progress? Later, Carbon 01-06-2002 10:16:20

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Yup. The current status of the project is that I received the Advantech adaptor from klunk (which is going back to klunk tomorrow morning - thanks for the loaner!) and now have a schematic capture of that board in Eagle (a schematic capture and board layout program). From that schematic, I took an old IDE cable and a compact flash connector, and made the most hidious mess of wires and tiny-tiny solder joints you can think of. However, I now have a hard drive on my IA-1 and it works! (I'm still trying to get Win98 to install, but that's another story.) So, I know the schematic is correct (I will post it soon) for those that want to make their own from raw wires. But hopefully by the end of the week, I will have a board layed out that will have a 44 pin IDE connector and a compact flash connector. I will post details when the board is nearing completion about dimensions, etc. The good news is that if somebody wanted to offer this as a kit (I won't be - but I'd be happy to send the plans to anyone who wants them) it should be relatively reasonable - maybe $2.50 for the CF connector, $5.00 for the board (less in higher quantities) and maybe $1.50 for the IDE connector. So it will make for a VERY cheap alternative to the advantech adaptor. I hope. I'm also going to find the parts necessary to break out the 'newly' discovered serial connector, and maybe even lay out a board for RS-232 conversion so we can have a real serial port on our units. Again, I won't be selling kits, but the plans will be freely available. So that's where I am. I still have some work to go before I can layout the CF->IDE board, and I haven't had much time recently. But it should be done within a week or so. I'll let you all know, right here, when it is. :) *Brian (EmbeddedMan) 01-06-2002 18:23:25

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) erroneus Profile Woohoo!!! A CF-IDE adapter card would rock! Not sure how I'd mount it yet, but I can see the CF-IDE think making this into a sweet little device. Can I place my order now? :) 01-06-2002 18:50:31

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) thinker Profile Based on what someone else probed on their scope, the output of the signal from the Ia-1 is very similar to the output from the I-opener, but with a different pinout. It may be useful if you take a look at the existing I-opener rs232 board and try using that. I have some spare MAX232 chips on hand and wouldn't mind trying to get it to work myself. 01-06-2002 19:02:58

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Great! The more people on board this train, the faster it goes. Whoo-hoo! Just to make sure we are all clear on this - I will never be offering something that you can purchase to build this yourself. I have nowhere near the time or energy to buy parts and ship them to people. I have no problem coming up with a schematic and board layout and testing the design myself to make sure it works. Anyone who wants to take the board files and have several built is welcome to all of my files. If you want to built it, you will have to have the boards fabbed and purchase the parts yourself. Or convince someone else to have a whole bunch of boards made and parts purchased (to get quantity discounts) and then have them sell it as a kit. *Brian 01-06-2002 19:51:22

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) thinker Profile If you could provide schematics for the RS232 outputs, I would be able to get this going soon. woohoo! Inevitably, I bet badflash is going to pick it up and sell it. 01-06-2002 22:05:11

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) ih8yourass Profile EmbeddedMan can you post those schmatics . i can sure use them 01-12-2002 15:13:20

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile OK. Here are the preliminary schematics for the CF to IDE converter card. http://greta.dhs.org/IA1/CFtoIDE/CFtoIDE.pdf I have not build any boards yet (the routing is about half done) so I don't know for _sure_ that it works, but it came right from my hand-build prototype and the Advantech adaptor, so it should work. Good luck! *Brian 01-12-2002 17:44:59

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) ih8yourass Profile now that schmatic is for a pc hdd or a laptop hdd? 01-12-2002 19:43:56

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Sorry, I should have been more speciffic. There are two connectors on that schematic - you should only use one at a time. The 40 pin connector is for a 3.5" normal PC hard drive. The 44 pin connector is for a 2.5" laptop hard drive. So you can use either, but not both. There is also a connector and a jumper so you can choose to use the CF supply voltage to power the hard drive (in which case you must cut and jump on your IA1 motherboard to provide 5V to the drive) or you can leave the jumper off and use a floppy power cable to power the drive. Does that answer you question well enough? 01-12-2002 21:00:58

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) ih8yourass Profile That was perfect. I thank you very much. 01-13-2002 12:09:54

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Ghandi2 Profile | Email Embedded Man, Where did you get the connectors for your CFtoIDE kit? Also what size was the capacitor that is shown in the plans? Thanks, Ghandi 01-15-2002 08:38:46

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Ghandi2, We had several left over for a project my company did (I wrote the PIC code) a couple years ago. They are 3M compact flash connectors, and for the life of me I can't figure out where to get any of them now. To all who want to build this thing: I found a SAMTEC connector for the CF connector (part number CFS-125-01-L-D) and that's what I made the footprint for in my layout. (which is almost done, BTW) I talked to our SAMTEC rep about someplace to buy onsies-twosies of their parts - and no such place exists. So what he told me to tell you all to do is to call Samtec and request a sample of the part. They'll send it to you for free and then you can build your adaptor. 01-15-2002 18:16:17

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Oops. The cap value. I forgot to measure it when I had the Advantech adaptor in the lab. But I'd bet any money that's it's a .1uf ceramic decoupling cap. I know for a fact that you can leave both the cap and the resistor off and everything works just fine. ;) At least my existing prototype is working fine and I don't have either of them on there. *Brian 01-15-2002 18:25:48

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) jerry456 Profile | Email I had intentions of building a CF to Laptop IDE adaptor. However the pin spacing is real small and I felt I wasn't able to work so small. The CF connectors I ordered came from Newark Electronics. The stock number is 95B8852. They cost $4.21 for 1-9, $3.58 for 10-24 pieces. /www.newark.com 01-15-2002 18:45:12

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) klunk Profile Gentlemen: Thinker has been kind enough to post pictures of my hard drive installation at http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/klunk-20020116/ klunk 01-16-2002 10:59:20

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) McMug Profile Hi! I have a problem getting the WinME install with my Hitachi 9.5mm HD. I have followed the instruction to setup the CF-IDE adapter(from Advance Tech). The IDE HD seems to be working fine. I got a 5GB HD, if I partition and formated the HD > 2GB, the IA-1 will complain Invalid Operating System. So I partition and formated as 2GB. I copied all the WinME Cab files into the HD boot up the IA-1 in dos mode. The WinME Setup started and copied all the files. Once WinME setuo rebooted the IA-1, the "Invalid Operating System" message comes back and I can not finish the WinME Setup. I have also tried finish the WinME install on my desktop and put the 9.5mm drive back to the IA-1, still "Invalid Operating System" and can not boot from the HD (but the 9.5mm HD boots fine in my desktop). I did use the part.exe to make sure the MBR is correct. It will be appreciated if anyone can give me some help on this. I have been stuck to get this working for a week. Thanks! MuMug 01-21-2002 23:11:06

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) jzack Profile Hi, In our kitchen I'd like to attach some type of web terminal to the wall, link it to my home LAN, and mostly display messages and other info for the family. Seems like the IA-1 (once hacked) would do the job. For any of you out there posting in this forum, would the IA-1 work well like this (your opinion)? I think the screen folds down flat (never have seen one other than in pixs) --- can it hang on a wall without being too odd looking? Any other thoughts - is the display bright enuf to be read a few feet away? Also -- thought I saw the IA-1 can be connected to an ethernet connection via USB - anyone done this yet? If you wish (rather than post here) replay back to: jzack999@yahoo.com PS -- Great posts at this forum! It's got me believing the IA-1 is the way to go for my application. 01-27-2002 15:24:51

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) thinker Profile Everything you say has been done already. Please read the other posts in this forum. Thanks. 01-27-2002 16:21:21

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) radarman Profile I just bought a refurb IA-1 on eBay. I paid a little more than average ($99), but the seller indicated that the unit had Compaq, not iPaq, on the front (so it should be hackable). In the meantime, I'm looking into the CF-IDE adapter, since I don't own any compact flash equipment. I know you guys don't want to sell prefab boards (since you would spend all your spare time soldering), but how about kits? If enough people (with soldering skills) buy in, we could get a volume discount on the parts. The PCB, in particular, would be useful. When all the stuff arrives, one of us packs up "kits" in zip-loc baggies and mails them. The cost of shipping would be included in the kit price. I think we can do a lot better than $48 + shipping. Is anyone interested in going in and buying parts in bulk? Depending on the supplier, bulk can be anything from 10 to 100+. 02-07-2002 11:43:45

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) rnunes Profile Cheap way to add internal hard drive to you IA-1, if you can solder. Here are pictures right angle 44 pin connector wire wrap wire glue gun soldering iron 02-07-2002 19:59:51

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Carbon Profile | Email Rnunes: Care to elaborate? Do you have any instructions on which pins go where? This looks do-able. Later, carbon 02-07-2002 21:06:06

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) SnowMRacer Profile I would also like to know how to connect my hdd to the IA-1. I tried the links posted above, but none seem to work. Could someone send me the CFtoIDE file? 02-24-2002 11:52:46

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile SnowMRacer, If you send me your e-mail, I can e-mail the file to you. My web server's been down for quite some time now. Anybody want to host this little *.pdf file of the schematic? *Brian 02-24-2002 20:13:14

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) SnowMRacer_Backup Profile Ok. My email is him@matvi.i-p.com . Man, my other email service is down, so I couldn't retrieve the password for my other account. 02-24-2002 20:28:16

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) DGMage Profile | Email Sure, I'll put it up on ia1hacking.com. Send it to mage@ou.edu. Kyle 02-25-2002 00:19:48

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile With thanks to SuperMer and Klunk, I finally got my Ipaq working with a notebook HD. Here are some thermal images of the unit with the cover off. These were taken at room temp ~22 C with the system running the Win98 desktop. Shows just how warm these machines run! One is with the disk in place, the other is with the disk moved out to show the components underneath. http://photos.msn.com/myfiles/folderview.aspx?Folder=*EtEZjHm6coxvwTAGk!HegpdQsoonmSUQOgSEqvmNY8%24 03-18-2002 00:05:22

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) lifer Profile The correct URL is: http://photos.msn.com/viewing/album.aspx?m7A!X9U3q6YzeOp!RYJqTSFwPMZO*XEnwZlSSdmKFV3MO3BgeB!cvcVIARmxAoxxZk5qrCpSi0o8veksStIjo9jrRgP1rApjevOR9MF9phc$ 03-18-2002 14:52:32

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Griffster Profile | Email Does anyone mind if I ask a slightly off-topic question please? Your CF-IDE hack looks great! We have been messing about with plugging an IDE drive into a Compaq iPAQ 3870 handheld PC. However, we have been using "off the shelf" stuff like a PC card Expansion Jacket, PC card adaptor and cable, Addonics external IDE case, and a 2.5" HDD. The problem is that the whole thing is really big, with cables and connectors all over the place:- iPaq - Expansion Jacket, Jacket to PC card adaptor, PC adaptor with Flying cable, cable connector to Addonics case Addonics case to IDE HDD. By using the CF to IDE HDD we could cut out the Addonics case for a start! The question is, Has any of you folks tried connecting an IDE drive to an iPAQ in this way? Is there any need for the PC card adaptor, rather than a cf adaptor? Does anyone have the technical knowledge to give advice? Sorry to hijack your thread with off-topic, but it sounds like you all know what your doing. Thanks Sean griff@flosser.freeserve.co.uk 04-05-2002 08:30:25

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) flash Profile Just wondering if anyone has the pinouts of the advantech cf-ide adapter? The link posted further down the page doesn't work anymore. Also Rnunes did some excellent work on the sandisk mod, and I have the pinouts for that but i'd like to use the cf slot. I actually took a cf reader apart and used the pcmcia end trimmed to fit the cf of the ia-1. Using wire wrap wire I hope to connect the hacked cf reader to a 44 pin connector for a 10 gig fujitsu notebook harddrive. flash 06-16-2002 17:16:15

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) flash Profile I am trying to get windows 98se up and running on my IA-1. I seem to be having a problem with the setup command line /p d option. I'm using the full version not the 98lite. Which I believe the command line was for. Unit complains shortly after windows setup that it is an invalid command line option check command line and try again. or type setup /? for help. The /p d option is not listed. ( to get it to disable the hardware detect, as it "hangs" at the plug and play part of the setup. By the way I'm using the adaptec cf to ide adapter. with a 5" 44 pin Female to female cable to a fujitsu 10 gig notebook harddrive. I've also put in the 450II+ k6 processor and fan. Anyone else done this install and not had a problem besides the 2 areas it "hangs" looking for the A drive.( I've copied the win98 directory to the drive hooked up to my desktop machine.)Then transfered it back to the IA-1 then run setup. Thanks....flash 07-14-2002 15:45:51

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) GRISHNAKH Profile Use the dos command "subst a:\ c:\" and it shouldn't look for your A: drive. Add it to your autoexec.bat 07-14-2002 18:18:47

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) ecoastkid Profile If the IA1 has a CF Type II socket then I think this will solve all your probs about the hard drives...its a little more costly...but one heck of a headache and time saver...Plus its as neat as can be....(Not to mention easily portable to your larger system should you not have a network to exchange data in your house) http://www.synchrotech.com/products/hard-drives_03.html (This link is to buy IBM microdrives on CF II cards...up to 1 gig in capacity...) If anyone knows the CompacFlash socket type...please share with the group...if its a type II...I will buy one of these and test...if it works I will let you all know. Thanks and Good Luck!!! Ecoastkid 08-15-2002 13:14:44

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) raceratb Profile Does anyone have the CF -> IDE adaptor schematic? Also, does anyone know if the SanDisk Mod kills the CF slot? Is there a way to have the CF card and a HDD? Thanx, Austin atb@mminternet.com 08-19-2002 15:41:23

CF-HDD-ADP is still available for $35.00 (modified 0 times) Truffle Profile | Email I have been incontact with Advantech Technologies, Inc. and here is what they said. <-- Dear Truffle, Thank you for your interest in our CF-HDD-ADP adaptors. We currently have quite a few of these in stock. If you're interested in placing an order for them, please give me a call @ 949-789-7178 x108. If you haven't ordered from us in the past, the easiest way is to place a credit card order, however, if you expressly deal in PO's, then I can try to get you set up with Net30 Terms. However, setting up Net Terms usually takes approximately 5 business days or so, depending on how long it takes for your references to reply to our credit department. Thank you and please let me know if you have any additional questions. Cordially, Tony Hsu Sales Coordinator Advantech Technologies, Inc. Embedded Computing Group Ph# 949-789-7178 x108 Fx# 949-789-7179 Support 1-800-866-6008 www.advantech.com/epc/ www.advantech.com/ppc/ --> --Truffle    LinuxHacker@thecrackshack.com 10-08-2002 18:39:08

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Just FYI to all of you who are using the SUBST command, do not put the trailing slash on the inital drive. I.e. SUBST A: C:\ otherwise you'll get an error and it won't do much good. EmbeddedMan 10-09-2002 18:45:56

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Another FYI: it is possible to have four drives on your IA1. Out through the compact flash slot, I currently have two hard drives running just fine. Then if you do the "add-IDE-connector-to-SanDisk-chip" you can have the SanDisk internal flash AND an external IDE device (I use a CD-ROM). So you can have four devices. I haven't build a connector such that you could use an IDE hard drive AND a CF card on the external CF slot - but it should be possible. EmbeddedMan 10-09-2002 18:51:35

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile Oh, and another thing that a friend of mine learned. If you are having trouble with your hard drive not wanting to boot because it's too big, go into Ranish Partition Manager (RPM) and change the partition type to Windows FAT-32 LBA (it has to be a FAT-32 partition to begin with) and then it the entire drive should work. I think Klunk was having problems with the first drive he tried, so he ended up buying a new drive. This trick may solve that problem. EmbeddedMan 10-09-2002 18:57:21

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Excal Profile | Email alright im not the most technical person...but i was flipping thru my tigerdirect.com catalog this month and ran into this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-Details.asp?sku=C184-25600 its a CTG USB To IDE Atapi Adapter I know usb has its own power i dont know how much power but i know it does but its worth a shot if someone can figure a way to use it they have a scii cable to that sku number c184-1040. 10-15-2002 18:56:22

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Goatspunk Profile Hello all, i've been searching for a while to find this BBS. I currently have an Ia-1 apart on my desk waiting for the CF->IDE adapter. Actually i'm waiting to get paid :) I'm looking to make this IA-1 a under $100 10.1" flatscreen for my van. I want to add a 40GB hard drive to have all my mp3's (27.2gigs) and all the old skool Nintendo games I can find. I will probably be going back and forth with some of you who have been successful in your ia-1 projects. Has anyone used a DVD/CD USB player in their ia-1? I know that if I can overclock the CPU to at least 300mhz it will play DVD's. Once I get the adapter and things start rolling along with this project, I'll start posting pictures of my van conversion. The plan is to have the ia-1 constantly turned on, so I don't have to wait for it to boot up each time I start my car. I'd like to have it shut down to standby after ~5 min of no use, to save battery life. I'm also attaching a Solar Panel to the roof of my van to keep the battery charged while the engine is not running. I'm hoping the solar pannel will keep enough juice running to the battery so I can keep the 'puter on for a few days. Unit MBC-262 is what i'm installing http://www.escosolar.com/unisolar.htm I'll be back to this site many times... Thanks Goatspunk 12-11-2002 00:37:37

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox Profile | Email Um dude, you cant play dvd's on that system. The usb ports are ONLY VER 1.1 which means the bandwith is a little below the MINIMUM required for DVD. you hook a straight IDE dvd drive up and your golden, aside from slow picture and the processor I believe MUST be at least a k6-2 450+? or was it 500+? I forget! I tryed a K6-3 at 500mhz on my iopener. and it was breathing hard! 12-31-2002 15:45:20

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Retiarius Profile EmbeddedMan: Can you send me a plan of your CF to 44pin IDE cable? Regards Retiarius 01-22-2003 08:16:07

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) geo_fr Profile to EmbeddedMan : could you send the cf-IDE plan to me too ? thanks --== Geo ==-- 01-27-2003 16:53:36

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Truffle Profile | Email I am trying to contact EMBEDDEDMAN I am trying to access your schematics for the CF to IDE converter card @ http://greta.dhs.org/IA1/CFtoIDE/CFtoIDE.pdf but its asking for a user name and password If you can eather let me know the user name and password or e-mail me the file that would be great or if anyone else has the file I would be more then willing to put it up on my web site and list a link for it here. --Truffle    LinuxHacker@thecrackshack.com 03-13-2003 11:52:20

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Sharez Profile Is this information still available somewhere (as in wiring/schematics/etc)? I'm interested in both the CF to IDE adapter info and the "add-IDE-connector-to-SanDisk-chip" wiring info. sharez 11-21-2003 05:11:35

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) rrhotline Profile I am totally new to this and would also like to add a hard drive. any thoughts on perhaps using a converter that would make a standard ide 3.5 harddrive able to connect to the usb port (a portable hdd). would this even work? also if anyone can email me the pdf document that seems to be down and hard to get now that would be great. I am looking for the most easiest way to add a hdd. OH and has anyone tried win200LITE or xplite 11-24-2003 02:50:35

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) Sharez Profile A little more looking turned up this link ipaqdrive.pdf from http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/ that shows the "add-IDE-connector-to-SanDisk-chip" wiring. I haven't tried it yet though. Enjoy. sharez 11-25-2003 18:44:23

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) tattude Profile did you read it it says might have mistakes in it hate to try to do this and fry sumtin :P 11-25-2003 18:49:03

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) mage1961 Profile | Email I am trying to contact EMBEDDEDMAN I am trying to access your schematics for the CF to IDE converter card @ http://greta.dhs.org/IA1/CFtoIDE/CFtoIDE.pdf but it cant find the website....please help in any way....thanks 12-21-2003 18:40:12

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) dragons5 Profile WOW im not the only one. I got my IA-1 and the advantech adapter is on the way...but Klunk how did you get power hooked up to the hard drive? Im looking for a way to get power off of the power board (which is 120v) so that i can have a hard drive and possibly a DVD drive. I got intrested in this machine when i found the document by Rnnues and then the pics/caption by Klunk. You guys rock. P.S. IA-1 from ebay cost me $34.50 after shipping 04-03-2004 02:23:28

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) roberton Profile help, can someone email me the CF to IDE schematic file? thanks judasc@hotmail.com 04-20-2004 17:38:22

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) fungun Profile was lookin through these postsas i have on of these machines and all the links i have seen are very old and dont work. would very much like to put a hd in my companion any place i can down;oad instryctions and pics? thanx a bunch 05-29-2004 00:14:05

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) fungun Profile did this section go dead?? 06-07-2004 18:27:28

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) EmbeddedMan Profile To everyone who was looking for the CF to IDE schematic, here it is (came back from the dead) http://greta.dhs.org/IA1/CFtoIDE.pdf Now it should work, but there are no instructions (yet) or any other information. I reverse engineered one of the Advantech adaptors, and added the pintout for the second IDE connector (the schematic has both the 2mm 44pin laptop hard drive connector and the normal 40 pin .100" hard drive connectors - you would only use one however). Good luck to whoever uses this schematic- *Brian 07-07-2004 13:14:37

RE:Finally I was able to attach an IDE hdd to my Compaq IA-1 :) (modified 0 times) AljosaK Profile Is it still possible to get CFtoIDE.pdf? I realy need it! Thank you very much!!! 02-16-2005 11:47:32

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