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unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) bloinkster Profile | Email I just got my CF-01 and hooked up my EXP PCMCIA sound card (the kind that is on ebay all the time) and it won't play mp3's. I'm using winamp and a 128kbps 44 mp3 file. It starts off playing ok for the first 5 seconds and then it starts skipping really bad. Anyone have any ideas about a different player? 04-17-2001 12:11:16

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) bloinkster Profile | Email switching it to mono fixes the problem, but then they are in mono... I still haven't found the killer app for this thing yet. any ideas? maybe instant messenger anywhere in the house. That might be kinda cool i guess. I got rid of the epods to get this thing, but i can't find a really good use for it. Any cool ideas? 04-17-2001 12:51:51

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile My wild guess is the PCMCIA sound card only supports half-duplex not full-duplex. Anyway it just my guess. I will use CF-01 as a digital frame and checking email/stack/aution/hot deal while watching TV. Leo 04-17-2001 13:55:14

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) guac_a_mole Profile | Email Has anyone been able to play stereo mp3's?? This would be a serious shortcoming. Made from 100% recycled electrons. 04-17-2001 16:08:24

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile I agree, I am holding off because of the lack of sounds support. I was planning on using it for an mp3 stereo part of the time...but that seems to be a problem right now. 04-17-2001 16:18:57

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) JamesW Profile Just hook up an lp3 to the printer port on the docking station. That works well. (I don't yet have a solution for undocked mode). 04-17-2001 18:24:14

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile What's an lp3? I did a search and did not find anything. Ahh, did a google, that's $99! I think I will go with a sound card that will work mobile as well. But if none are found, I guess it's an option. 04-17-2001 18:55:59

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile I know someone mentioned playing sound out the internal speaker before but I can't seem to find it, so...sorry if this is a duplicate. I found this and am posting it in case the one mentioned before is different. I can't try it because I don't have mine yet. ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/windows/drivers/speak.zip 04-17-2001 19:12:36

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile The CF-01 may not have enough horsepower to decode MP3's in windows. I have a few 486-100 based single board computers which will not decode at 44K stereo in Win95. They decode fine in DOS using MPXplay. I could "almost" get them to work in Win95 by tweaking the settings in WinAmp. The CF-01 should be a bit better than the 486's, so some WinAmp tweaking may do the trick. If not MPXplay is a pretty nice program (considering it's DOS graphics). Of course, setting up a PCMCIA sound card in DOS is another can-of-worms :P. BTW, I concur that the LP3 may be the way to go if you don't need the portability. My friend has one and it works well even on a slow 486 machine. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 04-17-2001 19:34:52

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile I had a Pentium 100 with 24 MB RAM (probably close to CF-01 huh?) and it played mp3's fine at 128mbps 44khz stereo in Win 95(sounded good to me anyway). According to AMD's website, the K5 matches or beats Pentium at the same speed...but what else would they say? I wonder how the k5 really compares. 04-17-2001 19:49:52

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) JamesW Profile Isn't the K5 a bit of a lame duck in the FPU department? (Ironic, considering the K7's excellence in this area!) That might explain its poor MP3 decoding capability. The attraction of the lp3 is that it takes most of the load off the CPU. It's not cheap though! 04-17-2001 21:26:05

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) epodfreak Profile I still haven't recieved my CF-01 yet (end of week I hope) but it should play MP3's perfectly. The problem (I suspect) is in the setup or software/pcmcia card combination. I have an Acer NT-150 (the original NIC) and it has the same processor as the CF-01 and only 8MB of ram and although the boot times for win98 were horribly slow, once it did boot it played MP3's just fine. I speak in the past tense only because this machine is now used in DOS only for satellite "testing". -Epodfreak 04-17-2001 21:40:01

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) JamesW Profile From the AMD FAQ on this processor : 13. Does the Am5x86-133 support Pentium Code? The Am5x86-133 is a high performance 486, 32 bit processor achieving performance results equal to a Pentium 75. Applications that require Pentium instruction will not run on a 486. Looking through Winamp's FAQ I get : What are Winamp's system requirements? A fast 486 or (optimally) a Pentium or better, running Windows 95, 98, 2000, or NT 4. Or, perhaps, WINE under XWindows. :) .... so it SHOULD be okay decoding MP3s (just). 04-17-2001 23:55:15

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) Jaymer Profile I had a AMD 5x86-133, it is supposedly a P75 (Keep That In Mind) I used it as a jukebox in Win95 near my bed. I had to put it in 1/2 Quailty Mode, @ 8-Bits (Uncheck 16bit Output), with the 486,K5, non-MMX Cyrix Radio Button checked.. Try it! It may work.. I dont have a Panasonic Webpad thingy yet, my iBook with Airport n osx works great for me. -Jaymer 04-18-2001 13:27:32

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile You might want to try some other mp3 players besides winamp as I have heard that it is rather processor intensive. There are alot of others that have pretty much the same functionality without alot of the bloat. Of course they generally don't have all the pretty visualizations but if you are putting this in a car you really don't need them anyway. Pete PS. Personally I think this would make a great gps solution since with a big hard drive you can put all the maps you will even need. 04-18-2001 15:38:26

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) paqman Profile Just got my CF-01s today :) (Thanks Busdepot!) I looked up Microsoft's speaker driver in a futile attempt to get some sound (Other than the beep n bop's) going on the machine. On my CF-01, the volume bar (both in multimedia properties and the driver's property page) is greyed... and even if it works, the driver seems to only work for playing (uncompressed) WAV file too... then there's the thing about using Sound Recorder to play things. Oh well. Will get my Panasonic scsi\sound card tomorrow and hoping to get mp3 playback in Windows. -paqman 04-19-2001 18:18:35

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile Does anyone have an update on mp3 playback? Has anyone gotten acceptable 44khz/128kbit/stereo mp3s to play on the Panasonic card in WIn95? 04-19-2001 18:21:58

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost Profile WPlay Pro i've been using this mp3 player to stream files to my i opener & webplayer. I used the another xaudio based player on the epods as well. These seem to do the best at streaming across a network. The webplayer choked every time with winamp. I dont have a pcmcia sound card yet to try it out: http://webkorner.tucows.com/adnload/887_28381.html 04-19-2001 19:28:36

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email The AMD 5x86/133 is not the same as the K5. The former is a clock-quadrupled 486, while the latter is a Pentium-class CPU (albeit slower, clock-for-clock than similar Intel CPUs). The 5x86/133 is definitely quicker than the 486DX4/100 across the board on all CPU benchmarks. On memory-bound benchmarks, it is equal to or slightly better than the 486DX4/100. I've used Winamp on a 486DX4-100 running Win 3.1, and it ran reasonably as long as there was no other program running. 04-19-2001 22:31:54

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) dynomite Profile I installed Wplay Pro and I have the Panasonic sound card. 128kbps 44 mp3 file in stereo playback is unaccaptable. The CF-01 just doesn't have the horsepower. I was able to play 128kbps 44 mp3 file in Mix channel mode sounds ok. I ran system monitor and it peaked at 100% utilization in stereo playback. In mix channel mode its around 85/86% utilized. In Mono right its around 75/76% percent utilized. Just for kicks, I tried dos based mpxplay in windows it runs but no sound. 04-20-2001 09:38:00

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile Crap, there goes my plan.......GRRRR.... 04-20-2001 13:01:09

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) bus_depot Profile Has anyone tried the SCSI controller capability of this Panasonic "sound card" yet? Is it a standard SCSI connector? Universal? It would be nice to hook up an external SCSI zip drive or CD-ROM drive. Might make having the sound card worthwhile in and of itself. 04-20-2001 13:59:51

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email hard to understand that epods can play mp3s with xaudio and not the cf-01...doesn't make sense somehow ! 04-22-2001 10:21:02

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile I think ePods played 22khz/128kbit/mono That would be about 25% the data that a 44khz/128kbit/stereo sound would take. I think someone said that switching to mono allows smooth playback. The tradeoff is of course that it is lower quality, non-stereo music. 04-22-2001 10:40:02

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) guac_a_mole Profile | Email I know that the epods played in stereo (at least through the headphone jack). And, while I can't confirm it, I think it was 44 as well. 22 sounds like a lump of poo. Made from 100% recycled electrons. 04-22-2001 10:58:32

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email correct, xaudio on epods plays stereo 44khz mp3s. 04-22-2001 19:26:11

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile I always got the message on PocketTV that said my sound hardware did not support over 22khz on epods. I believe that it was said 22khz is the max somewhere on the epods board, but I guess it doesn't really matter. I did a quick search, can't find anything about it. I could be wrong. 04-22-2001 21:14:44

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) SiliconIce Profile Sorry, maybe I am confused here. ePods plays 44khz files, I just don't know if output is 44khz. 04-22-2001 21:16:35

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email here are the results of my tests with a 192kbps 44khz mp3 with xaudio on the epods in terms of cpu utilization: high quality/stereo: 67% medium quality/stereo: 60% low qual/stereo: 55% hq/mono: 55% mq/mono: 51% lq/mono: 45% pretty amazing for a 129mhz mips processor ! 04-22-2001 21:48:52

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) JamesW Profile The sound output on the epods was 22kHz. It was certainly able to play 44kHz MP3 files, even if the output quality was less than that. I agree the CF-01 should be able to do at least as well - however, its main problem is the lack of a sound chip (the epods had one). 04-22-2001 22:57:18

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email do you mean "output" as in physical output throught the speaker or headphone jack ? Guess you'd have to record the stream and analyze it CoolEdit to find out ? 04-23-2001 00:43:07

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) bloinkster Profile | Email Even in mono or half quality the CF-01 plays MP3's better than the epods. MP3's on the epod are terrible, I can't believe anyone would use the epod as an mp3 player. i would rather have them in mono than listen to the crappy stereo output on the epod. 04-23-2001 05:24:04

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) cyrixone Profile Here's a hint... Winplay3 It works great on 486/100MHz systems. It's what we used "Back in the day" before Winamp... Most AudioCatalyst/MusicMatch "kiddies" don't remember L3enc & Winplay3... But it is the fastest Windows MP3 player. :) 04-25-2001 04:49:15

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Good call cyrixone. Winplay3 is the first player that can play correctly with the least degradation. In order to get it to play without dropouts I had to set Frequency to half and CPU to 80486 class. This is with a Fujitsu sound card with the ES1688. This is the same card as the eiger labs card and I think the panasonic as well. It even played a 320kbps mp3. I am wondering if the problem is the poor fpu in the 5x86 chip or the lack of real dma in the pcmcia sound card that causes the problem. If I can find my IBM 3D sound card I may try setting it up in dos and see if either of the dos players I have work better. Another limitation of the whole setup is the very low audio output of the pcmcia sound card, even through headphones. PeteB 04-25-2001 17:17:23

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) tightwad Profile Thanks for the reference to Winplay. The program plays mp3's acceptably using the settings suggested (486, half freq.). But I can't get any playlist manager to work with the program. It appears to tack a .mp3 extension onto a file, when there is already one there and then can't find it. Error message says can't find filename.mp3.mp3. Anyone else encountered this? Am I doing something wrong? What playlist manager are others using? 04-27-2001 19:03:05

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email downloaded winpplay pro 2.0, but can't seem to set any option apart from stereo/mix/mono. Where is the cpu selected ? 04-27-2001 19:16:58

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Yellow1: I don't think winplay pro is the same as winplay3. Go to Download.com and search for winplay3 and you will find both versions, 16 bit and 32 bit. I was testing the 32 bit version. PeteB 04-27-2001 20:01:33

RE:unable to play mp3's (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email ok I get it, you guys were referring to Fraunhofer's Winplay. Tried it but it skips like there's no tomorow on my webplayer although CPU utilization stays pretty low. You should try Winplay Pro http://www.mp3rulz.com/download.html No skipping on the Webplayer, don't know ho well it would work on the CF01 04-27-2001 21:12:48

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