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Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition

New MessageProblem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) maposo
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Sorry for the new thread. I've seem other threads for WinME and Win98se,
but didn't find something similar to my problem. I had a problem when
installing my Windows 98 First Edition on the GCT. This is one of the
old machines with the IDE header and with BIOS access. This is what I did:
1) Got a brand new laptop hard disk, put it onto my Thinkpad and formatted/
installed MSDOS 6.2 on it. Also copied Win98 CAB files to HD for later.
2) Openned the GCT, removed the Flash disk, and plugged in the laptop HD
with a I-Opener style crossed cable.
3) Booted GCT, got into BIOS to make sure the HD was correctly detected
and the parameters matched. Everything was allright.
4) Booted it again and got into MSDOS. Screen was weird. Then I included
ANSI.SYS in the config.sys and MODE.EXE into autoexec.bat and booted again
with screen set to cols=80 and lines=43. Much better.
5) Started the Win98 setup with /ie option for not generating a floppy. It was
OK up to the point that it was "analysing the hardware" and "copying Windows
files to system". It hanged at 61% with a TXT message over the Win98 graphics
screen saying to "insert disk B: and press anything to continue". Of course
pressing the hell out of it was of no help...
6) After a few unsuccessful retries I decided to do the following:
- made A: point to C:\A and B: point to C:\B using SUBST.EXE
- restarted the Windows setup utility
- it recovered the previous installation and passed the hang point and
(presumably) installed the Windows files OK up to 100%.
7) Then, the next step was to restart the system and boot to the newly installed
Windows shell. Well, guess what: the GCT does NOT boot anymore after this. (It boots
if I install MSDOS on it again, but not with Windows 98!!!)

Any help is appreciated. If somebody have passed through a similar experience
(I suspect it has something to do with the weird "insert drive B: message") or
installed Windows 98 First Edition successfuly in the GCT please let me know
(and how you did it).

I saw some posts about folks OK with win98se and winme, but before I buy another
copy of a Micro$oft OS I want to know what's wrong so I can get mine to work...

Thanks.

08-12-2001 22:00:06

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Strange... My first question is.. How did you get into the GCT bios setup ????
08-13-2001 18:04:59

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) maposo
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I guess my machine is one of the old Gateway prototypes. It had the IDE header and
you can enter in the BIOS just by pressing ESC at startup. Then you have a boot
menu where the last option is to enter the BIOS setup. I'm using a Silitek 7500
wireless keyboard I already had at home (a real keyboard with all the keys in the
right place and the function keys instead of the silly AOL icons), so I'm not sure
if it will work with the GCT's original keyboard, but I think so.
Strange thing I noticed: I have setup the BIOS initialization and the summary screen
to appear, and the first thing you see at startup is:
"NOT FOR RESALE" (interesting, isn't it? - if you consider it was RESOLD to me!)
I think this is one of the first BIOS versions and was later replaced for the production
systems.
08-13-2001 20:21:51

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) LD37
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just to head you off at the pass...i know someone will ask you for a copy of the BIOS...think you could snag a copy? there are a couple of BIOS dudes (for lack of the right term) around here who would help us out and take a look at it
08-14-2001 08:05:47

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) maposo
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LD37,
I don't know how to copy the BIOS. Can it be done with a MSDOS dump program
or do I need special hardware to do this? (Sorry, never did that before!)
I don't have a problem on releasing my BIOS, but I need some help to do that.
Meanwhile, I'm still trying the Win98 stuff. I got Win98 Second Edition from
a friend and I'll try just to see if the problem was really my Win98 First
edition or if there is something else?!? I'll do the experiment this weekend
and will post the results here.
08-16-2001 22:58:30

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) CQDX
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when you say you "installed dos 6.2" Do you mean you formatted using "format C: /s" or do you mean actually installed dos?
08-18-2001 04:51:59

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) maposo
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I formatted C: as FAT16 using Partition Magic in my Laptop. Then I actually installed
MSDOS 6.2 on it, only for having something to boot to when at the GCT and to hold the
WIN98 folder with the setup CAB files. No special reason for MSDOS 6.2, I guess I could
have installed the WIN98 system files using format /s or sys from a WIN98 recovery disk.

More news from the front: Today I tried WIN98 Second Edition. Doesn't hang at the 61%
spot anymore (no need for the SUBST trick). But the restart problem persists. After
Win98se completes copying the files and asks to restart the system, when it comes up
again, I don't have a bootable HD anymore. Now I'm starting to get scared! My theory
about Win98 first edition was obviously wrong.

Now I'm starting to think that maybe there is something different with my GCT, maybe
a BIOS option. I just think that it is strange that it boots MSDOS OK, but not WIN98.
Does anybody knows the difference between a MSDOS boot and a WIN98 boot? I was thinking
the process was similar, the BIOS would call the code in the MBR, and then this would
startup the partition's boot record and then it was supposed to boot the hidden system
files... Does a HW problem could be the culprit? Please let me know if anybody has any
ideas or suggestions on what I could try next. Thanks.

08-18-2001 23:03:34

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) CQDX
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Try this:

format the disk on another computer using

"format C: /s"

this places command.com on the harddisk and makes it bootable. Then copy the win98 folder from the CD to the hard drive, and a folder containing the drivers from bigdog's free drive site:

www.freedrive.com use GCTP, gctp as passwords (case is important)

Put the drive in the touch pad, pull the compact flash and boot. You may have to fiddle with the contrast or hit enter a couple times to see the C:> prompt. At the C:>, cd to the win98 directory and type setup

I think installing dos 6.2 instead of just "sys"-ing the disk is the problem

hope this helps

08-19-2001 03:56:31

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) CQDX
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also you may have to do a "fdisk mbr" when you're massaging the hard drive in your think pad. Also include your network drivers and some kind of unzipper program so you can unzip if you need to. I can't remember but I think some of the drivers are .zip files.

I like to partition the hard drive to C: and D: so I can copy all the files to the D: and if I have to massage C: a couple of times, I don't have to keep copying files

08-19-2001 04:11:36

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) maposo
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Tried again today following the format /s suggestion and the fdisk /mbr suggestion without success... Same error showed up again.

But then I fooled around a little more and did some partition analysis. I put my copy
of PartitionMagic 5.0 for DOS to a new DOS partition (actually Windows 98 that I had
sys'ed). After some analysis I finally found out what was the problem: the HD geometry
being reported on the GCT is different than the HD geometry reported on my Laptop.
When I formatted the partition on the Laptop, the HD reported 843x240x63 because of the Laptop translation algorith for large drives, which I didn't have control of changing). Then, on the GCT, the HD geometry showed up as 754x255x63 (used maximum number of heads and sectors and changed cylinder numbers). Then, for some reason, DOS boots OK when you install it on one geometry and boot it up in the other, I guess it may be because it doesn't fill up the space on the disk that has a problem with the change in geometry, but I'm not sure. PartitionMagic asked if I wanted to fix the problem in the partition table, but it didn't work either.

Then, my last resort was to format the HD again in a different computer. I hooked it up to my Desktop using a 44-pin to 40-pin converter (luckly I had an old one laying around at home) and then was able to choose one of three geometries in the HD auto-detection BIOS screen - the same that matched the geometry seen at the GCT. After this everything was a breeze. Formatted the first partition, copied the drivers, the Win98 cabs, and booted it up at the GCT. Windows installed OK then (finally). It is up and running.

So, if you format your GCT HDs in a Laptop, and it doesn't work, here is my experience. Check the geometry reported in your Laptop and make sure it matches the geometry seen by the GCT. I assumed the large disk translation algorithms were the same, but they weren't...

I hope this helps someone in the future with HD boot problems...
Bye.

08-19-2001 20:33:57

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) mrgoodbar
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Get a different copy of an OS, like winme/2k/or 98SE.
08-21-2001 14:51:54

New MessageRE:Problem installing Windows 98 First Edition (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Fdisking & formating the drive on another computer was going to be my suggestion, I had a Thinkpad that wouldn't format I-Opener or GCT drives correctly as it alway read the drive wrong.
08-22-2001 03:53:52

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