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New MessageNo IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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Just got my GCT today ... imagine my surprise when I open her up and check it out, and there's no flippin' IDE header! Yikes!

Are you guys just loading the OS onto the CF card, or are you soldering an IDE header to the board?

I'm really surprised that no one had mentioned this before ...

05-10-2001 13:02:57

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Greenspark
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The pics have shown an mini-IDE header, and the few who have them have been using drives with this header. Is it possible you're looking at the mini-IDE header and don't realise it? Prob not, but it's worth a shot.

I hope this isn't the start of a trend.

05-10-2001 13:10:03

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Same here!! NO IDE Header!!

Also, whoever made the i-Opener, makes the GTC. It has the same FOX pre-fix numbers on the mainboard case and the GTC base will fit and replace the i-Opener base perfectly!

05-10-2001 13:12:24

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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Well, for what it's worth, let me describe what I'm seeing on mine ...

Looing at the back of the unit, I open the port on the right hand side. Oddly, there's NOTHING behind it, just shielding. I thought that's where you would access the RAM or the CF card.

Anyway, I get down to business and crack her open. Looking at the board, The CF card is on the Top-left, modem below, and ports on the bottom left. Far right is the CPU and, below that the RAM. To the left of the RAM is the MiniPCI Ethernet adapter.

Just above the modem (top right corner of it) is the BIOS chip. Just to the left of the BIOS chip, I see where the IDE header looks like it SHOULD go. There are solder points there, but no connector. Pins 1, 2, 43, and 44 are clearly labeled there, but no connector.

I'm just a wee bit pissed. I've got no soldering experience, so I wouldn't even know where to begin.

05-10-2001 13:18:17

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) DoS4WhO
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Looks as though those of us with limited soldering experience could be in for the long haul on this one...
~m
(Do you hear opportunity knocking???)
05-10-2001 13:33:41

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) zyxw
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yikes... not good (well for us, badflash may make out though) ... is there a CF to 44 pin converter cheap anywhere?
05-10-2001 13:42:13

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wordsmith
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ALL FLOPPY AND IDE HEADERS IN ALL 4 OF MY UNITS ARE NOT THERE! AHHH

And I thought I wasn't going to have to solder.


* WordsmitH
05-10-2001 13:58:33

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Greenspark
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Damn. It almost makes sense. With the IO, the sandisk is soldered in, you have to have a way to populate it from without. IDE header to the rescue.

The GCT has a compact flash slot, and they can set them up outside the machine then plug them in and fire it up.

I have a few ideas on how this could be rectified, can we get a picture of what this looks like?

05-10-2001 14:10:15

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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Damn, I didn't open the box this morning !
They must have shaved them off at some point (after seeing all the sudden interest for these machines ?), this is really bad news.
In case it helps, I'm referencing the picture posted a few weeks ago:
http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/micvy/vwp?.dir=/Touchpad&.src=ph&.dnm=Connected+Touch+Pad.jpg
It shows the IDE connector, but I'm sure you guys would have seen it if it had been there.

I guess we might be forced to get a 128mb CF and put a compact install of WinME on there...or maybe someone can make a Linux build based on Transmeta's published code.

05-10-2001 14:17:18

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wkendrvr
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Well there is another option for the folks that don't want to solder. Could put a 1 gig Microdrive in it, requires nil experience but will bump the cost by a few hundred. (Maybe someone can find a deal on 340's or 1 gig'ers?) With this latest revelation, I will probably put that plan into action.
05-10-2001 14:36:34

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) InMemoryOfFred
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"yellow1" wrote:
"I'm referencing the picture posted a few weeks ago . . . It shows the IDE connector."

Gee, that's wrong, "yellow1"; the photo only shows the solder pads for the IDE header.

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05-10-2001 15:29:52

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wordsmith
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Dude, they are there. Kinda hard to tell, but you can see small spots of orange/brown. Thats the pins.
* WordsmitH
05-10-2001 15:34:06

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) InMemoryOfFred
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No, those aren't pins, those are solder pads. Click the photo for an enlargement, and you'll see that it is identical to what you see when you open your GCT in person.

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05-10-2001 15:47:37

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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Hey Freddy Boy, on top of apparently being happy making a nuisance of yourself, you also appear to be blind...
I'm glad I reported your ridiculous behavior to the board administrator, which will rid us of the parasite you've become.
Sad, sad sad...

Next time, you might want to use "InMemoryofGENO" as your nick, that would clarify things and let everyone know what to expect from your posts.

05-10-2001 15:48:48

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) justaguyinky
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The posted photo CLEARLY shows the 44 pin mini IDE connector in place. Now, does anyone know a source to purchase these so we can solder them in? The name on the connector says: SUYIN.

justaguyinky

05-10-2001 15:49:36

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) InMemoryOfFred
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Excuse me, "yellow1" Boy, I have no idea what ridiculous behavior you're referencing. Perhaps you don't like being disagreed with. Perhaps you don't like people pointing out your other silly behavior. Go report yourself.

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05-10-2001 15:51:03

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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This is really a waste of time, but just to put this ridiculous PIN Photo issue to bed, let me point out a couple of things to your foggy brain:
1) The picture was posted by a board member called Scan 32 as evidenced by this post:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=bnews&Post=385&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

2) The very same Scan32, was the first to load Win98 on his GWCT as evidenced by this post:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=aolgw&Post=14&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

So please from now on, keep quiet and don't let your basic "crusade" blind you when you post. Worst part is that you seem to imply from your previous post that you've also received a GWTC when you write "and you'll see that it is identical to what you see when you open your GCT in person". Now either you're trying to make a case by lying or you're blind...

Regardless, give us a break.

So what

05-10-2001 15:58:13

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Installing the 2MM surface mount IDE header should not be to much of a problem if the solder pads are bare. The bios socket may be slightly in the way.

If the header was installed at one time then "Shaved off" as posted earlier, That may make it a little more difficult for some folks.

Looks like digikey will be getting more small parts business.

Are there any other surface mount components missing next to the IDE channel?

Glad Badflash has the original bios code, One may need it IF changes to the bios has been made....

Me thinks Gateway has learned from somebody elses (NP) mistakes.

Except forgot to put the QC label on the bottom of the box too...

BTW, I got mine today but not opening the box. Going to wait and see if someone wants it here or at work and at least recoupe most of my investment in this box.

Back to the i-Openers 4me!

05-10-2001 16:08:16

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Sitting here and browsing thru my Digiky catalog # T102 May-August 2001.....
Page 48, fig. 6, Vertical SMT 2mm Header Part# WM18176-ND (Molex PN# 87267-4450)

$9.95 for 1 *** <10 @ for $82.42

Digikey toll free#
1-800-344-4539

Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Thanks! This is a disscussion group.

05-10-2001 16:32:16

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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One thing I highly recommend is that a very detailed assessment is made (Compare notes) and see if any other changes (Revisions) have been made of the GTC before going off and ordering parts.
05-10-2001 16:41:55

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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I'll be happy to compare BIOSs if anyone can walk me through the process of extracting them.
I tried with an iOpener utility (Flash821.exe) but didn't get it to work.
05-10-2001 16:45:26

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) gr8_brit
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I think there is a better part ...

Digikey part numbers:

S2202-22-ND = 44 pin surface mount 2mm receptacle @ $4.94 each
http://info.digikey.com/T012/V4/051.pdf
Center column, 13th entry

S2202-13-ND = 26 pin surface mount 2mm receptacle @ $2.91 each
Same column, 10th entry.

(That's assuming the floppy header is 2mm also - I suspect so)

Yes, These are sockets... so then add a pin strip header

http://info.digikey.com/T012/V4/052.pdf
left column, bottom table, 5th and 7th entries

3M1144-ND @ $4.58 for the IDE, and
3M1130-ND @ $3.12 for the floppy (cut off 4 pins)

Cheers,


gr8_brit
05-10-2001 16:48:47

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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Is anyone else's GCT missing the floppy header as well? Mine isn't, but the jist I get from others is that they are missing the floppy header as well. Just wondering, as mine is intact. Only missing the IDE header.

Boy, what a buzzkill that was. Luckily, one of my friends has some soldering experience, and while he hasn't looked at the board, he says it shouldn't be a problem.

Badflash ... are you going to stock the parts to make these units usable again? I'd love an excuse to patronize you again. But in a good way. :)

05-10-2001 16:57:45

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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I'll add another reference for DigiKey.

Same catalog p.50-51.

Sullins 2mm connectors

I do NOT know if these are correct. Or, if they are any better or worse than the Molex connectors.

S2209-22-ND - without locating peg
S2208-22-ND - with locating peg

They're $4.27 each or $3.54 each in lots of 10.

There are two holes in the motherboard which look like they are made for locating pegs.

Also, the pads on the board appear to be tinned. The connectors have not been removed - this is much harder than soldering them in place. Tinned pads will make it easy to solder - you just "hold" it in place and heat each connector. If you've ever soldered surface mount chips, the 2mm spacing is a lot farther apart than most surface mount chips. It shouldn't be too bad.

Let's hope nothing else has changed significantly.

Maybe we should start checking versions. The box mine came in (arrived today) says:

Rev: GIA 1.1

and has a date sticker for Dec 12, 2000.

So, I don't think they caught on last week and stopped soldering the connectors.

05-10-2001 16:59:02

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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Mine says version 1.1 as well. Can't find a date, though.

Perhaps this is something that they are ONLY doing to the Ethernet versions ... maybe the HPNA ones are alright. They probably figure that the hackers want Ethernet, and just don't install the headers on those ones.

Still strange, though, that some of us are missing floppy headers too ...

05-10-2001 17:08:20

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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The date sticker is separate and smaller than the other.

Also, mine's an HPNA. It was ordered over the web and I was unable to get it changed to Ethernet. I'm counting on getting Windows and USB-Ethernet up and running.

05-10-2001 17:11:43

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Mine is HPNA with no IDE header, but floppy is intact. What would you bet though that the floppy is disabled in bios?

It's a GIA 1.1, Oh and I looked up the HPNA controller, Broadcom states that it's a v90 modem too, but as a soft modem (like 3com's Winmodem) Couldn't find drivers anywhere though, I think I will shopping for a real mini-pci ethernet card.

As I posted somewhere else, Whom ever make the the i-Opener made this one too, the two bases match up perfectly inregards to the mounting screws and there are stickers inside with the prefix of "FOX" as the i-openers have.

05-10-2001 17:37:54

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) justaguyinky
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My box packing label describes the contents as: Kepler Internet Appliance with ethernet. It also says UPS Expedited which the UPS man told me means it was a rush shipped international package. My date sticker says: 2000/12/15 15:34. I guess that is the "born on date". The revision is: 1.1. My unit has bare mini IDE pads but all my other connectors seem to be installed. I have noticed at least 3 other unused connectors, I wonder what else can be added to this beastie?

justaguyinky

05-10-2001 17:59:41

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) shaxs
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Well, this suxs. This is the WHOLE reason for buy the GCT. No soldering. I bought th GCT becasue I f'ed up my iopener soldering. Well...... Hum. Oh, andf BadFlash is out of town till later this week. I know because I was sending my iopener back to him to see if he could not correct the problem.
-Jason
05-10-2001 19:27:47

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Screw this, Gateway told me thatI could return this thing within 30 days so Im sending it back and getting one with an ethernet card in it. I see no use in keeping an HPNA version around anyways.

Now Im not sure wether to attempt dissasembly, cause I wouldnt want to void any warrantys (hehe)
but Im pretty sure the HPNA ones are hosed too, no IDE's


-wheee!-
05-10-2001 19:34:53

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Actually, I thought about sending my HPNA back too, but then I started looking at HPNA gateways and the such, I found the Linksys broadband bridge for $60 and thought that would be a great way to have internet access in every room that has a phone line with the GTC without re-wiring or running wireless which would cost 3 times as much and have it connected to my downstairs network.

Don't get too discouraged yet, the GTC HPNA has a lot of potential! I plan on keeping mine, I may even order a second one.

On a different angle, Digikey.com has a great inventory but the $25 minimum order s u c k s!! I bought a couple of the IDE headers and other parts like 10pin 2mm IDC headers just in case the 10pin headers on the board are what I thnk they are; VGA and COM2.

05-10-2001 20:34:39

New MessageOh Well, What The Hell.... (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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As I said in a different thread yesterday: "Yeehah! Fire up them power tools boys, we got some work to do...."

If it was easy, we'd have every wannabe hardware hacker flooding the board with even more inane questions and flame wars than we've already seen in the last few days. Anyone who can't handle a soldering iron, or doesn't know someone who can, shouldn't be playing with this stuff. Let's get it figured out and make it happen. At $199, it's worth a little work, eh? Still don't know what the units on TradeOut are like, so let's go with what we've got.

Mine showed up a day early this afternoon, no time to look at anything other than the meager documentation before family time this evening. Interesting that the two legal disclaimers in the box take up half as many pages as the actual (sucky) manual for the thing. And it seems more interested in telling you how to 'mount' the thing than use it.

Mine also has a date sticker of 12/12/00 on the box, pretty sure no IDE header on it, and certain that these aren't BTO based on the date. Tommorow's another day, let's make it a really Good Friday....

"Oh well, it's been a good day in Hell. Tomorrow I'll be glory bound...." - The Eagles

B'Dog

05-10-2001 21:18:34

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wordsmith
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BigDog, It let me order 2 S2208-22-ND's and all it did was add $5.00 to the total. I dont remember seeing anything with a minimum $25.
* WordsmitH
05-10-2001 21:27:52

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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B'dog whered you see that bridge for $60? Id really like to get this HPNA thing working, I hate doin the ol' RMA game with gateway just for one stupid Ethernet. Jeez, why cant they just sell you the damn card. I'd use my $150 credit for that!
-wheee!-
05-10-2001 22:51:19

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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BubbaDog ...

I'll have you know that even though I have ZERO experience with soldering components, I have to take issue with you saying that I have no business playing with this stuff. I've been working with PC architecture for several years, and have never had to solder a component to know what I'm doing. You make it sound like it's a class we should have taken in Junior High, like woodshop or something.

If all of the hardware was intact, I could make this thing do just about anything I want. But I really resent the implication that just because I've never had to solder anything, that I shouldn't even be able to experiment with these units.

Inane posts can be made by ANYBODY ... not just thouse without hardware experienced. I've seen some pretty ridiculous posts here by even some of the veterans, when it comes to the software aspects of these machines. Just because you can solder a component onto a PCB doesn't mean that they have the experience to be able to configure an OS to properly run on one of these units.

Maybe if we tried to tone down some of the elitism that has crept into these boards lately, and just try to help people get them working ... which I suppose was the point of these boards to begin with.

Hell ... this website is called "Linux Hackers," not "Soldering Gurus", right?

05-10-2001 23:24:03

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wireless
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no ide header, eh? What about a CF to IDE convertor. A CF card with a cable coming out of it and a IDE connector on the other end of the cable? I use the IDE to CF adapter... why not create an adapter the other way around? 8MB CF cards are pretty cheap to sacrafice...

wireless

05-11-2001 02:29:08

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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Regarding the Linksys HPNA to Ethernet bridge:

Make sure that it's the new version (if you care about such things). I think the old version only connects 1Mbps HPNA to 10Mbps ethernet. The newer version (HPB200, which seems to run in the $160 range) connects 10Mbps HPNA to 10/100Mbps.

I don't know if the GCT HPNA can run at 1Mbps. I don't know if the newer standard requires backward compatibility.

I found one of the old ones on an open-box shelf at a local store for $75. Comparing that with $160, I was pretty happy - until I saw the 1Mbps part.

I'm also interested, though, if you've found the new version for such a good price.

05-11-2001 04:40:34

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BigDog
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OK, The HPB200 Linksys PNA bridge is only 1mbs, I didn't look at it that close.

http://www.ibuyer.net yesterday showed the cheapest for the HPB200 at $60.65, this morning the lowest price has increased to $77.95 at http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/ibuyer/fp_42927

The Netgear PE102 bridge is 10mb HPNA 2.0 but it's 141.89 at http://www.neutronusa.com/script/prdinfo.cfm?prod_id=136872

And if you want to just go ethernet, here is a 10/100 IBM ethernet adapter for $109.99 http://www.tccomputers.com/apps/products/ppp.php?product_id=IBK08K3124

My mistake regarding speed, and price!

05-11-2001 05:27:26

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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No luck with the CTRL ALT ESC... You guys got my curiosity going and I opened my box this morning. No IDE, The floppy header is intact. Luckly for some of you guys all the Resistor packs are installed...(Websurfer veteran)

I have an A-Open (Silitek 7100)IR Keyboard, practically identical to the Gateway keyboard. It HAS ESC key. I tried all options many times. No luck. May be bios issue(Locked out?)

Keyboard funtions fine during initial AOL setup screen. (No, I did not sign up)

Ctrl Alt Del to try and reboot does not respond either.
I noted that the IR receiver is REAL sensitive!
I bounced signals all over the room and still received commands.

The IDE header installation should be a piece of cake! Plenty of space except next to bios socket a little tight....May want to cover that during installation to avoid damaging it.

I believe IDE header was left out to reduce production cost. Gee a buck each unit times lets say 50,000. A good down payment on a Caddy or hummer

Awesome base though! I'm keeping that for one of my i-Openers!

Anyone interested in a unmodded HPNA Motherboard,Modem,shield and the exterior case package deal? I've got $265 tied up in this unit and looking to recoupe SOME of my investment.
I'm probly dreaming but a "C" note keeps coming to my mind.

I'm keeping Compact flash, Ram, LCD and Touchscreen, Speakers, BASE(STAND) and power adapter. Power adapter is really cool too! 2.64 amps!

Garybee2001@Yahoo.com

05-11-2001 05:42:34

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Sorry. I actually meant to post first part of this in the BIO's sub forum...
05-11-2001 05:47:15

New MessageRE: "Methinks Gateway has learned from somebody else's (NP) mistakes." (modified 0 times) NormConquest
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02U2 suggests "Me thinks Gateway has learned from somebody elses (NP) mistakes."
And pray tell what lesson they took from NP's mistakes?

That senselessly vandalizing your own product to make it "hackerproof" (ha!) doesn't work?
That buyers will waste the machine for parts rather than send it back?
That, either way, they won't be tricked into buying your overpriced and crappy ISP service?
That having bigmouthed techies pissed off won't enhance a product's sales or reputation?
That, if anything, pissing us off makes it more certain that we'll join forces to thwart you?
That, yes, your stock price CAN fall below $1.00 if you're really, really stupid enough?

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The only lesson to be learned from NP: Selling hardware for less than it's worth is NOT a viable business model.

05-11-2001 06:03:43

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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SuperRob,

My remarks above regarding soldering skills wern't meant to disparage anyone or any computer skills set, and 'most' people on the board have something to contribute. Coming from a printed circuit board assembly background, I'm just extremely comfortable with the hardware side. On the other hand, software and OS can be my weak spot, which is where folks like you are greatly appreciated by folks like me. 'Nuff said, shake?

Most folks on either side of HW/SW usually know someone who knows their way around a soldering station, that was my real point. So even if you can't handle it yourself, you should be able to get someone to handle it for you for a brewski or two. It makes things a little tougher, but if it was really easy it wouldn't be much fun (at least for me).

It's just another little speed bump in the parking lot, wait 'til we can get it on the road and see what it can do. If I can cram a drive in this thing, I can see getting a couple more for networking and home automation control. It does look cooler than the iO, and it would be nice to have consistency in the house for the WAF (Wife Approval Factor). My quote is good through the 24th, so the $199 price is still there if I want it.

Anyway, I'm off in search of a connector locally to try to speed things up and make sure they haven't disabled the drive in BIOS too. Now that would suck big time, but then the challenge falls to the SW/OS gurus in the group....

"Let's get it on...." - Marvin Gaye

B'Dog

05-11-2001 06:45:18

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wireless
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Following up on the CF to IDE convertor idea, the below links are to a company that has something that may be of use... I am not sure of the cost though I think they are in the $99 range... We should be able to make it for much cheaper...

http://www.sycard.com/

in particular...

http://www.sycard.com/180hib.html

05-11-2001 07:01:44

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wireless
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Those links again...

http://www.sycard.com/

in particular...

http://www.sycard.com/180hib.html

05-11-2001 07:06:21

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wireless
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Well, here are some CF connector suppliers:
http://www.samtec.com/search/application/crdtobrdflex.html#compactflash

These people also carry CF connectors which I believe are supplied by the above company
http://www.ittcannon.com/

I think that using this method of CF->IDE may be more desirable since there would be no soldering involved.

05-11-2001 07:28:19

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Greenspark
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I think that using this method of CF->IDE may be more desirable since there would be no soldering involved.

Well, you could spend $5 and take a shot at soldering a header on. All the pins are spaced properly, so it's just a question of getting it in the right spot, getting two pins on the end soldered, then do the rest. Should be one of the easier soldering tasks on these things.

05-11-2001 08:04:42

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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Aren't floppy connectors 34 pins? Is it different for a laptop? Can someone confirm that the spacing for the floppy connector is 2mm and 26 pins or whatever? I don't have my unit yet but I'd might order the floppy connectors at the same time as the IDE.
05-11-2001 08:10:54

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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so which connectors would the hw experts recommend to get from digikey.
looked at the board and the contacts appear to be well spaced.
depending on the connectors is there a way to get some that don't require the IO cable ?
05-11-2001 08:32:13

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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Steve,

It looks like the floppy connector is on the board, just the IDE header is missing.

B'Dog

05-11-2001 08:33:19

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Greenspark
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yellow1, not to get on your case here, but your answer is about four posts up, and there's a whole other thread ("Where to purchase mini-IDE") covering what to get.

Please read at least the thread you're in before asking questions.

You cannot affect the pair reversals by getting a different header, unless you want to mount it from the underside.

05-11-2001 08:37:59

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Mine too, Just the IDE header is missing.

The GTC base looks great on the i-Opener! Wow what an improvement in appearance As posted earlier it fits perfect!

05-11-2001 08:41:29

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) artc
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am I missing something? - it does not seem clear to me how to remove the metal shielding after the plastic back is removed.

do I have to completely remove the motherboard from the front of the case?

I looked at the picture posted earlier and it looks as if the motherboard is still attached to the front plastic.

Model GIA 1.1 - s/n (on base) 1Axxx01851 - s/n (on box) 10xxx38601 No IDE Pins

Thanks in advance

05-11-2001 08:56:29

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SuperRob
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Art,

No, there are a couple of rather tricky screws to locate. I managed to remove the shiedling while the mb was still attached to the front of the case with no problems ... once I managed to figure out where those tricky screws were.

05-11-2001 09:08:20

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) justme
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Hi,
Just a thought... isn't there a mini/micro PCI bus slot somewhere in this thing... doesn't anyone made an IDE controller card which could work?
05-11-2001 09:43:11

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BigDog
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Steve


The floppy drive connecter on most notebooks drives is 26 pins, The pin arrangement is also the same as the standard desktop floppy drive and with a little pin swapping, the desktop floppy drive will work including the power line on the 26 pin headre which is 5volt. The standard desktop floppy drives have both 12 & 5 volts supplied to them but apparently only use 5 volts. Kray is really into just about every part in the Webplayer, excellant website!!

Check out the discussion in the Virgin Webplayer section and Kray's web site

http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=vwgeneral&Post=228&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=bigdog.98959912644684

Kray's website and the section on the floppy drive: http://k-ray.netbox.be/?&jq=04007

05-11-2001 10:01:51

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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greenspark - who do you think you are, making disparaging comments like that ?!
It seems several options are available right now, so I was wondering if someone had a final opinion on which connectors to get
I you don't just don't post.
05-11-2001 10:16:56

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Randy
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Way to go, Greenspark. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Randy

05-11-2001 10:39:56

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) yellow1
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That's right just encourage people to be rude, that's really going to help with the IDE/CF issue we're trying to deal with here.
One would hope you'd have more sense than that Randy.
05-11-2001 14:53:17

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Randy
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You're right, sorry. I guess my advice for both of you guys would be to just stop. It's impossible for anybody else to tease out "who started it," like anybody really cares, so any attempt by either party to build sympathy is going to pretty much fall on deaf ears. This is getting old.

Randy

05-11-2001 15:08:58

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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In Memory of WhoGivesADamn & Yellow1,

I do find all this somewhat amusing, though it takes away from the issues at at hand. I myself still don't understand why yellow1 thinks it necessary to run his own webpage/board/benchmarks and fragment the focus that this BBS provides us. Especially since the continual ad popups on his site are so damn irritating. I also don't try to understand the sniping, even though some things/people on the board bother me I have more important things in life to worry about.

Randy & Greenspark,

Y'all are supportive of the board and what is trying to be achieved, and I understand where you're coming from. Randy and SuperRob have both drawn me up when I didn't clearly express myself or hit the 'Reply' key a little too fast. I'm one of the last ones to play 'holier than thou', but we all slip a little occasionally.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Went to a local surplus dealer today and found some 50 pin 2mm through-hole headers. I'm going to 'modify' the pins by bending them out to 90 degrees on the bottom so I can use it as a SMT style header. Should have a drive connected by tomorrow and see if it's recognized by the system. The other issue is that a standard ribbon cable connector for the hard drive is going to hit the modem card when plugged into the header, looks like a little bit of the edge of the card will need to be filed away for clearance. No traces close to the edge of the modem card, so should be OK to take a little off. Sure am glad that the GTC doesn't have that pesky 'Opening This Unit Voids Your Warranty' anti-tamper sticker like the iO did. If it doesn't work out, off comes the header and back in the box it goes. Further details in the morning, and photos to follow....

B'Dog

05-11-2001 20:51:59

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) wordsmith
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I ordered a bunch of cables from BadFlash and in a mail I sent Jack, I asked if he could "fix" one of them so it would fit the GCT. Then I could see how it was filed. He didn't stat if he would/wouldn't, but did say next week, he would start selling specialized GCT IDE cables. I should have my parts from digikey on monday, then I can FINALLY play too.
* WordsmitH
05-11-2001 22:32:43

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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An update on IDE connectors from DigiKey:

I got my S2208-22-ND yesterday from DigiKey. Ordered it Thursday night and had it shipped USPS priority mail (I like priority mail, it's cheap and has Saturday delivery).

The part works perfectly - soldering it was a breeze. The locating pins on this part really helped - usually I end up gluing SMT parts down before soldering. Didn't have to this time.

I'm using a badflash 9" i-opener cable for now. Same problems others have discussed with it interfering with the modem. For now, I'm leaving the modem out.

My real problems are with the desktop PII 450 I'm using to write to the hard drive. It doesn't like to boot - once every three or four times. Waiting for a new motherboard. So far, the GCT part has been easy.

05-13-2001 08:14:43

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) Skypilot
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Smee - or anyone else that wants to answer.

I want to attempt soldering in the IDE header, but have never done that "precise" a soldering before. Can one of you give a step-by-step on the best method, technique, etc to do that. Do you solder one pin at a time, or remove all of the solder, place the header, then solder back in or what. Does the MB have to be removed from the screen first? I've got all kinds of questions I'm not sure about.

I've thought about been practicing soldering on old boards by taking out and putting in componets before I start on my GCT.

Any help for us soldering newbies is appreciated.

Thanks in advance!


Skypilot - "Keep the blue side up"
05-13-2001 15:35:35

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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How I soldered the IDE connector in place:

Note: Remember, just like me you run the risk of damaging something important. I wasn't too concerned since it is pretty straight forward, but of course YMMV. I've been fiddling with this stuff (soldering iron in hand) for the last 20 years or so at a hobby level so what seems simple to me may look harder to somebody else. Anybody else here add the chips for lower case to their TRS-80 Model I?

Tools:

I used a standard pencil-type soldering iron. It's a Xytronics 258 with adjustable temperature if anybody's interested. Nothing fancy but probably a little better than the cheap ones from Radio Shack (which I used to use all the time). I think it's a 30W iron and I have it adjusted to a little above half, I think. It is grounded (3-prong plug). Radio Shack used to sell a low power grounded soldering iron for CMOS stuff (light blue handle). I don't know if they still carry it but it's what I used to use.

You want to have the finest chisel tip you can find. There's plenty of room to work on the board if you do. 2mm isn't much closer than the "normal" 0.1" (2.54mm) that most people are used to working with.

Whatever you do, don't use something like a 40W gun.

Attaching the IDE connector:

I left the motherboard attached to the display with both sitting in the front half of the GCT. Just remove the RF shield. I also removed the modem while I worked - and never put it back.

I used the S2208-22-ND which has the locating pins. The pins made it much easier to hold in place.

You can use the solder that's already on the contacts on the board. Hold the connector down (in the middle) and touch the soldering iron to the connector pin and the solder on the board. It should melt quickly and form a joint. I did the two pins on either end first - that way I didn't need to keep holding it. After that, you just need to work your way from one end to the other. You should not need to hold the iron in place on any one pin for very long. If you do you run the risk of damaging the motherboard or the traces.

After I finished, I checked everything with a 10x magnifier. The connections looked good electrically but didn't look all that strong mechanically. I went back over them and applied a little additional solder to each one. Now there's probably too much but it looks stronger. I used 0.032" solder for this.

Remember if you're using lead-based solder to work in a well-ventilated room.

I'd post some pictures somewhere showing some of the details, but my primary pc is down (awaiting a new motherboard) and I don't have the camera software installed anywhere else.

If there are any more questions, feel free to ask. I'm sure there are plenty of people here with a lot more experience than I have.

05-13-2001 17:19:15

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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To add to the above post by smee, I would use a very small amount of quality flux to wet each connection on the header prior to soldering if you use the existing solder on the pads, Then clean it all up with Denatured alcohol soaked q-tips when done. Everyone has there personal preferences...

ESD precautions! A must!

05-13-2001 18:36:13

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) smee
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I second the cleanup. I forgot to mention it.

I didn't use flux - I would have if I had any around.

05-13-2001 18:58:07

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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See if your local RatShack or electronics store has a rosin flux 'pen' to flux the pins on the connector and the pads on the board. This pen has a tip like a large marker that easily applies the flux where you want it. The flux used when they assembled the board is very low activity, you need more to wet the joint properly. Make sure it's rosin, not 'water soluble' flux. Water soluble is an organic acid that will eat up the connections over time, no matter how well you clean the board locally. Cleaning the rosin residues isn't necessary, strictly cosmetic....

B'Dog

05-13-2001 19:57:42

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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I just found this page with the folowing description:
"ATA COMPACT FLASH adapter to standard IDE connector"

http://www.dmd.it/epage/ecfide.htm

Can't tell if this would be what we could use. I hope this is not a repeat, I had not seen anything else like this posted yet. It could be an alternative for those not comfortable with soldering if it works.

06-04-2001 14:36:07

New MessageRE:No IDE Header??? (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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Dang, my foot's down my throat...the adapter goes the wrong way. *blush* oops...
06-04-2001 14:37:19

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