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Using the Touchpad for a theater automation controller

New MessageNew Use (modified 0 times) ChrisPone
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Seems like this board has died off, and I am just getting started with the Touchpad device, first of all there were alot of great posts here that put me at where I am at today, I am going to add some of my findings to try to move this forward.

A little History on my project:

I installed a home theater in my house about 8 months ago and decided I needed some way of controlling the entire system. I found some great automation and remote software from Prmoixis (Girder & NetRemote). I needed a device to run the NetRemote software on and initially used an HP Ipaq 5555, however, the screen was way too small and to really use the device I had to create many layers of menus and screens. I decided I needed a better device something with a touchscreen. and pretty much an all-in-one type of device. I have messed around with other internet appliances before I converted a Virgin Web player to a regular slim-client type of PC, so discovering and modifying the Gateway touchpad was the way to go.

I found 2 of these on E-bay a few weeks back "Brand New in Box" for $60 each so I had to have them.

I have kept one in box just in case anything happened to the first one that I had dissassembled about 5 minutes after UPS brought it.

Some of the updates I have done so far...

I have kept the unused 32MB CF card as original image.

I soldered on the IDE Header, but decided I wanted to keep working with the CF

I removed the origianl Modem and HPNA card, I installed a 3Com mini pci modem/nic (3CN3AC1556) I built the custom cable that connects the card to the 4pin nic connector on the MB

I have used a 512MB SANDISK CF with windows 98, I have a 1GB PNY CF with Windows ME, and a 2GB PNY CF with Windows XP Pro.

The 512MB/Win98 works fine, except that when I select a movie to play from netremote Win98 crashes.

The 1GB/WinME was workign fine until I decided to do some updates which really messed up the registery, so I thought I would just pop the CF into the CF-IDE and reload WInME, well after I fdisked and formatted the card it would not boot in the touchpad, it would however boot the computer if I left it in the CF-IDE adapter... very odd I thought...

I concluded that the original format on the brand new card is what allowed it to boot the touchpad, and once I fdisked it and formated it I screwed up the original drive geometry and MBR. I knew this was the case when I bought the 2GB drive to try Windows XP, the brand new 2GB card accepted the OS, i basically just let it run until the first reboot and popped it out and moved it to the GCTP, which actaully booted--- to a point and then just hung. I restarted the GCTP and hit the MY AOL (F8) key to get to the boot options menu where I selected safe mode with command prompt so I could see what drivers it was loading and it hung right after "MUP.SYS" and I let it sit there about an hour and nothing...

I also worked a little bit with the PXE boot as the 3Com card supports this, the GCTP connected to the DHCP, got the File name it was supposed to load and the TFTP server kept coming back with a "transfer aborted" error "bad block" I need to double check the boot image I created for the network load and give that a try again

I also discovered a web site after doing a search to see about formating for a CF card that revived my 1GB CF so it will boot to DOS again on the GCTP.

I will add more as soon as I play around with it a little more

03-22-2006 09:38:35

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) keith721
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Yup - for $60 and a little work, the GCT beats the heck out of a $3K Crestron or AMX 5" touchpad. I grabbed one of those new-in-box units off eBay a few months back and it had a minor problem with the capacitors as noted by wireless on this board. Once the cap(s) popped and warmed up, they've been fine ever since. I'm just getting my media room setup with MythDora from http://www.g-ding.tv and I'll probably paint the GCT's front bezel black when I'm done.
03-23-2006 09:20:27

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) ChrisPone
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I am still working on getting a stable OS loaded, again if I use a brand new CF card I can load Win98 or WinME without any problems, but as soon as I reformat the CF card it will no longer boot, except to DOS with the utility I found somewhere else. I am experimentling with a CD-ROM drive, I had a very old Tatung Laptop that had a standard mini 44 pin IDE TEAC CD drive, I installed that onto the header I soldered in and can boot to dos with a CF card and load the drivers and see it, I was also able to get the WINME WIN98 and WINXP CD-roms to start the GCTP. WinXP bombs out with a memory error, and Win98 and WinME start to load, but then I get the "graphics" screens without any text, if I hit escape to get back to DOS it says that CHKDSK found errors and these must be fixed before I can install... I Will keep working with that or I will go out and drop another $50 for a new CF and just not mess around with it.

I am also going to paint the bezel black as well it will look better in the theater...

03-23-2006 20:55:07

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) keith721
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So, I've been trying to load some of the Midori images I found on http://m4i.homeip.net/ and all I get on the GCT's screen is the Gateway logo (woohoo?) and a boot: prompt. I grabbed the Midori build kit while I was there and I'll try to build it under a Cygwin cross-compile environment for the Crusoe processor, but I was just wondering if anyone has a good image I can download?

I'm using ntrw.exe to write the image to my 32MB CF card inserted into a SanDisk SDDR-31 USB adapter under Windows XP Home. I'm using the simple command-line interface like this:

C:> ntrw.exe write m4i23pre1.img e:

Any suggestions?

03-26-2006 20:55:22

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) ChrisPone
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I haven't done anything with Midori or any other OS has been all WIndows. I was at first using a USB to CF adapter and had absolutely no luck with that. I searched the internet and found an IDE to CF adapter for $5+Shipping and that has worked flawlessly. I just use my "bench" PC to load the card. What I have learned:

1. I need to start with a brand new CF card, and not one that I have used before and tried to reformat.

2. I boot from a DOS diskette and include the CD-ROM drivers so I can load the OS.

3. When I want to launch the SETUP from the CD-ROM I use the /is switch so that a disk scan is not performed.*

4. I let SETUP copy the files to the CF and when the first reboot occurs after the file copy I power off the computer.

5. I remove the CF from the "bench" PC and install it into the GCTP and let it boot from there.


* this switch is for Windows 98 and ME, for 2000 and XP I just F12 the "bench" PC and boot from IDE CD-ROM.

I have sent a customer service inquiry to one of the CF manufactures to see if they will tell me how the drive geometry is set at manufacture, as I am now sitting on about 3 spent CF units that all will work as memory but will not boot the GCTP now matter what I do to them. I was lucky over the past week CompUSA had CF memory (PNY 512) for $9 after rebates so I was able to pick up 2 of those.

I found a usb format tool from HP for USB connected CF cards, for my purpose it didn't work (it formatted the CF fine, but still could not boot from them)

I am still trying to get the Windows 98SE version to work with NetRemote, however, it still crashes when I am trying to select a DVD to play, but that might be a problem with the LUA files that Girder and NetRemote are using, I will have to check into that more.

I am considering one of those Hitachi Microdrives I see I can pick up a 3GB one for about $119 then again I think just keep it simple...

What I have done since the initial trials:

I did add a 256MB ram which really improved the overall performance

I did load Windows 98 from the IDE CD drive I connected to the header I soldered in, with a blank new CF in the slot and the Windows 98 cd in the drive it came up and asked me if I wanted to boot from HD or CD.

Still working on:

I would really like to get into BIOS! I have tried everything in every thread posted here and no luck, If pull the CF and have nothign attached to the IDE header when the 3com network card starts to load the PXE firmware I can flood the KB buffer and I will start getting a group of numbers to display on the screen it is formatted like this XX , XX if I keep pressing keys (Primarily the ESC or F2) they will scroll until the PXE goes to the next step. If I keep pressing the ESC key I eventually get the BIOS information screen to display, the one where it says something about "pre-release copy ...) but it goes away quickly to read the entire screen and after about doing that for 2 hours a couple days this past week I have given up on that for a few days.

I am hoping to find in the BIOS a way to turn on the USB support for Keyboards when booting, among other things...

03-28-2006 08:19:19

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) keith721
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Chris:

Here's a web page that might help you recover those CF cards to a format the GCT will like:

http://pigtail.net/LRP/hd/ide-cf.html

It lists the Cylinders / Heads / Sectors values commonly used when formatting data for CF cards.

03-28-2006 12:46:39

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) mscdex
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ChrisPone: What brand (and model if possible) was the 256mb sodimm that you put in the GCT?
03-31-2006 23:41:28

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) ChrisPone
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It was a PNY. The Label on the SODIMM =

256MB, SDR SODIMM H
32ZH8 PO 126005.2 I belive the model was the 32ZH8, I bought it at CompUSA

I hope this Helps!

04-03-2006 15:29:29

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 0 times) keith721
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I just received my 256 meg SODIMMs from www.macsolutions.com. Part # PBG4256, $27.81 each. They work fine. :)
04-03-2006 16:36:16

New MessageRE:New Use (modified 1 times) keith721
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ChrisPone: any updates on your progress?

I posted this earlier in another thread, but you might find it helpful in restoring the original C/H/S values for your CF cards:

The DamnSmallLinux wiki has a valuable page regarding USB flash drive geometry.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_the_Proper_Geometry_on_your_USB_Pendrive

Using the sfdisk program, apparently you can re-define the Cylinders/Heads/Sectors parameters of a flash drive.

04-07-2006 11:42:20

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