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Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV

New MessageInstalling Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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I know some folks have indicated problems with booting win98 after installing it on the AOL/TV.

I recently re-installed win98 on the device and experienced the same problem. I repeated it several times and always had the same problem.

It was then that I realized that the first time that I'd installed win98 on the device I'd used win98 lite. I used it again as was able to boot fine. Setup does hang during one reboot and during hardware detection, but in both cases, I was able to just hit the reset button on the back to continue.

Good luck.

11-04-2002 15:36:57

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) digilexic
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Did you use the win95 explorer shell under 98 lite?

Or perhaps I should ask: What setup option under 98lite did you use: micro, sleek, chubby, or what?

11-06-2002 21:42:07

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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I used the lightest option. I think it was micro. It was the first choice in the list. It was definitely win the win95 explorer.

I don't have the software in front of me so I don't remember which option is which.

11-07-2002 05:57:39

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) bagger
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Ok just get this form Ebay. Plug in a ps2 keyboard and installed win98. windows can not find any serial and printer port. Install the Cyberpro 5k video driver, but video sometime are unreadable. For sound I install the webplayer sound driver and the sound is very low.
04-12-2003 22:21:06

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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Can't really say why your install wouldn't be finding printer or serial ports. Mine sees them.

I do occasionally get garbled video with win98. It seems to be tied to length of time that the machine is running. Can't put a finger on it exactly.

To get audio at full volume, instructions have been posted elsewhere in this AOL/TV forum.

Basically, you must download http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~laird/Linux/iDVD3036/cdrom/Document/VGA-Igs5k/Utility/i2c.exe

And add the following commands to your autoexec.bat:

i2c 88 22 0
i2c 88 21 40

Of course, you'll have to specify the full path to i2c.exe if you do not place it somewhere in your path.

04-13-2003 12:38:03

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Well, I'm getting ready to take the plunge into Windows 98... :) Wish me luck... :) I've done the keyboard and VGA hacks and I'm building a drive right now with Win98 sources on it.

You pointed out the I2C.exe. Did you poke around in the other stuff on that page? There are drivers for both the VGA and the vid capture portion of that card. I'm not sure what works with this machine and what doesn't, but I'm about to find out... ;)


NarShadda
04-14-2003 23:56:58

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ok, I'm having some kind of problem with the IDE controller. I installed Win98 last night and it locked up at the two places you mentioned:
1. When it reboots the first time, it just comes up with a blinking cursor instead of "Preparing to run Windows for the first time."
2. When detecting non-Plug and Play hardware, it locked up at 38%

Last night after I reset it after lockup number 2, it seemed to be ok and completed to a point that it said it was going to reboot. I didn't realize it at the time, but it never asked me about time zone, etc. I rebooted and Windows started coming up and just locked up. I tried several time with the same results. I finally did a logged boot and it locked up while "initing esdi_506.pdr" which is the IDE driver. I tried this several times and it locked up in the same spot.

I wiped the drive and re-installed. I finished up the final stages of the install this morning and this time it asked me about the time zone and went through the process of setting up control panels, system settings, etc. When it got done, it warned me that my system was not configured for the best speed and asked if I wanted to see details. I said sure and it told me that some drives were using real-mode drivers. It showed A: and C: as the culprits and suggested that I get updated drivers from the manufacturer.

When I continued with the reboot, it locked up loading Windows again. I did a logged boot and it's locking up on esdi_506 again. Any idea if you had to use custom IDE drivers? I'm able to boot into safe mode. Can you make a list of drivers needed and locations for them in order to get Win98 up and running successfully?

I know about i2c, the vga, and sound, and possibly the tuner and vidcap.


NarShadda
04-15-2003 09:22:25

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Also, I'm not clear from your posts whether you got the full install of Win98 running on this or only Win98 Lite.
NarShadda
04-15-2003 09:23:27

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) bagger
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I installed 98 on other system first, then move it to the aol-tv. I have no problem with the ide driver, just use the cyrix webplayer driver. It does lockup sometime on load because of the low memory. I have to remove all the program on startup for it to load. But win98 just too slow on this device it is unusable(only 8mb ram).
04-15-2003 09:47:51

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ok, I managed to get past the problems with the IDE driver by booting to safe mode, disabling both channels of the IDE driver and rebooting. I'm still hacking... :)
NarShadda
04-15-2003 12:11:58

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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I've really only used 98 lite. I do use the MediaGX drivers downloaded from one source or another.

Prior to using the drivers, I did get the same message about real mode access to the drives (at least if my memory serves me correctly).

04-15-2003 16:04:33

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ok, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see a list of drivers you used and for what. If I understand correctly, thing thing basically has two chipsets (Cyrix MediaGX and CyberPro 5000-series) that provide audio and video features, but not all of the features of either set is being used by this design. Anyway, when I installed from Win98, it showed two video drivers both labelled as generic PCI-compatible VGA. It also had four devices listed as unknown devices: a PCI Bus, two sound cards (forgot what Windows called them) and one listed simply as "Unknown Device".

Here is my "journal" of what I've done thus far. Please let me know if any of this is familiar and if you have any sugestions. Maybe this will be of help to someone else installing Win98 on this puppy. This has certainly been an excercise in troubleshooting hardware and driver conflicts... ;) I've also gotten lots of practice with desoldering braid doing the VGA and PS/2 mods and cleaning out the contacts for the PCI slot. I still have to desolder a PCI socket from a dead motherboard when I have several hours to spare... ;)

I installed Win98 (full, not lite) and it hung in the two places mentioned above. When it came up for the first "real" boot, it hung. I did a logged boot and it was hanging while loading the IDE drivers. I booted into safe mode, disabled the primary and secondary channels and let it use the real-mode drivers. This seemed to work just fine and let me come up in Win98. I'd like to find 32-bit IDE drivers if such exist. Bagger mentioned the Cyrix WebPlayer driver. I'll have to look into that.

When it came up, I noticed a couple of things. There is a A: drive that shows up as a removable drive. I don't have any clue what that is. Maybe the 2MB NVRAM mentioned in another thread that sits above the 8MB main memory? Maybe the SmartCard? When I tried to open it, it said it wasn't formatted and asked if I wanted to format it. Since I didn't know what it was, I didn't. ;) I noticed the 2 generic video drivers and the 4 unknown devices mentioned above. The video driver it was using gave me an option of 2-color and 16-color at 640x480 only.

I used a USB keyboard/mouse converter and got a PS/2 wireless mouse working on the USB port. I also decided I would see if I could get a USB network adapter working, so I hooked up an SMC EZ2102USB/ETH 10Mbps adapter, loaded the drivers and voila! I was able to browse my network and the internet.

Next I figured I would see if I could load some more appropriate drivers for the hardware. I installed the Cyrix MediaGX driver set. It gave me several options (Joystick, PCI Bridge, Graphics, and Audio for sure. Looking in the binaries I also see settings for Miniport and UDMA although I don't recall these). I selected everything... I guess I shouldn't have. Win98 setup had loaded a generic Joystick port driver, so I didn't figure this one would hurt. I knew I wanted the Audio and the Graphics. I also knew the PCI Bus was listed as an unknown device. When I did this, Windows redetected 2 unknown Audio devices as an XpressAudio 16-bit sound and an XpressAudio PCI Bridge. It redetected the PCI Bus as a Cyrix PCI Bus. It also added about 6 IRQ holder for PCI Steering entries. One of the Generic VGA's was reconfigured as a Cyrix MediaGX. The only device still listed as unknown was the one helpfully labelled "Unknown Device" (I love when Windows does this, especially when you get several at once.). The other VGA adapter was also still showing as a generic.

After doing all this, I rebooted as suggested and... it locked up again... grrr... I did another logged boot. It was locking up at PCI.VXD. I changed the Cyrix PCI bus driver to the Generic Microsoft one which Win98 said was compatible (funny that Win98 knew about this but didn't configure it during setup). Same thing. I uninstalled the Cyrix driver set, removed the PCI Bus and all the IRQ holders from Device Manager and rebooted. It came up in Win98 and re-detected the PCI bus as a Cyrix PCI Bus (odd since I supposedly uninstalled the drivers) and only added two IRQ holders (IRQ 9 and 10). It asked me to reboot and promptly locked loading PCI.VXD. Sigh... I disabled both of the IRQ holders.

It still locked up, but a logged boot showed that it was making it past PCI.VXD this time. It was making it all the way to mmdevldr.vxd. I only half noticed it at the time, but it wasn't locking while loading mmdevldr, but immediately after SUCESSFULLY loading mmdevldr. Don't know why it was locking. I figured I'd disable the XpressAudio 16-bit driver. I then got an error message during boot about configmg and that the system would need to be rebooted. I disabled the XpressAudio PCI Bridge and got rid of the configmg error, but the system still locks after loading mmdevldr.vxd. The bootlog indicates that it loads the driver and starts it successfully, so I'm not sure where it's hanging.

I guess my next step is to remove the inf files created by the CyrixMediaGX driver installer and delete the devices. That should get them detected as Unknown again. If that will let me boot, then I'll try re-installing just the video driver, just the sound driver, etc. to see if I can get at least some of them working. Mevanson, I'd be interested to know what options you chose when installing the Cyrix MediaGX drivers. I downloaded these from the same place you show for i2c.exe. Not sure if there is a better place or not. Any suggestions you can make would be helpful.


NarShadda
04-15-2003 22:18:44

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) pdp1145
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NarShadda,

"I still have to desolder a PCI socket from a dead motherboard when I have several hours to spare... ;)"

A crude but very effective way to do this is to get a blow torch and holding the board upside down heat
the solder and then wack the board against something. The connector and any nearby parts should come
off. Of course the mother board is literally toast now.

Max

04-16-2003 12:35:16

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe me, I considered some options like this as well. Sticking it in an oven or toaster oven, etc. ;)
NarShadda
04-16-2003 23:40:30

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) pdp1145
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NarShadda,

I have used this method successfully on ISA motherboards etc. The amazing thing is that
the parts are in better shape than if they were desoldered normally. I have used a gas
store top to remove DIP chips......

The key here is concentrated heat. A oven will heat the chip core too :(

Max

04-17-2003 12:20:53

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Mevanson,
Where are you when I need your expertise? ;) I tried deleting the inf files and was still unsucessful. I could delete the PCI bus and I was able to get it to boot until it redetected the PCI Bus. Also, deleting the PCI bus had the nasty side effect of making the sound, video, and USB not appear. After I let it redetect the PCI bus, if I told it not to reboot, everything would work until I rebooted and it tried to check the PCI bus again.

I wiped the drive and re-installed Win98. Again, it was fine until I attempted to load the video and audio drivers. I'm using the driver file "Cyrix MediaGX Certified Win9x Drivers 4.0.exe" which contains a setup program to install the drivers. This time I selected ONLY the audio and video drivers and had exactly the same problems. I'm not sure what it is doing that Windows does not like, but it is seeing something on the PCI bus that it does not like. It successfully loads the PCI driver and then locks up. The next thing I know of to do is to load the sound and video drivers individually and see if one or the other seems to be the culprit.

Mevanson, are you using the same version of the Cyrix drivers I am? What drivers do you have loaded and working and can you offer any suggestions? Thanks.


NarShadda
04-21-2003 21:31:06

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ya know... I might have figured out my problem. I was hacking around on this and decided to try the registry hacks to fool the box into thinking it had been set up already. It worked enough to let me in and let me look around a bit, but I kept getting errors about files and such being missing, so I decided to reset it and at least let it dial out and get the local access numbers.

That failed using the built-in software... The modem doesn't even pick up the line. Maybe I have a bad modem in this thing or a broken trace or cold solder joint. I might even be that I messed up something while removing the solder from the PCI slot holes.

Does anyone know anything about the modem in this thing? Is it a hardware or software modem? Is it on the PCI bus?

If it's a hardware modem, I'm thinking that I can just go into DOS or Win 3.1 and open up the COM port and issue AT commands and see if it responds. If it's on the PCI bus and windows is seeing it or partially seeing it during bootup, but it's not responding, that could be why Windows is locking up. I had another machine that did something similar. It was working fine, then the COM ports just suddenly disappeared and Windows would lock up trying to detect them. The way I finally figured it out was booting to safe mode and getting the message about a mouse not being present (it was using a serial mouse). I disabled the COM ports in the BIOS and it would boot through to Windows.

Any suggestions? If this IS the problem, I'm not sure why it would work fine before I installed the sound and video drivers.


NarShadda
04-22-2003 00:44:58

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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NarShadda,

It seems to me that you are attempting to use the full version of windows 98. It seems to me that I've tried that once and was not successful. That is why I used win98 lite. My guess is that the memory footprint of the full version contributes to failures at low levels of the OS, thus causing lockups.

As for the modem, I haven't tried using it under win98 or linux. I don't really have a need for it.

I can't recall because I have multiple versions of the MediaGX drivers, but I do think I had problems with the 4.0 drivers. The version I use is 3.83.

I've utilized a used PCI header and one that I purchased on the two units I have. Purchasing is well worth the time. I didn't try the blowtorch approach, but unless it leaves all your pins nice clean and straight, you'll find it more difficult to place it on the board.

The headers are inexpensive with digikey as long as you meet there minimum purchase to wave the handling fee. I bought mine when I had other stuff to purchase.

--matt

04-22-2003 12:49:42

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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NarShadda

It is a hardware modem. If I remember correctly, it is on COM2.


kNiTe-oWl
04-22-2003 13:13:16

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Has anyone tried adding memory to this thing yet. I am thinking about it, but my box is in storage till after I finish moving so it might be a little while.

I'm thinking of adding a couple of sockets so I can use different density chips and see what we can get into this thing.


kNiTe-oWl
04-22-2003 13:16:24

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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Actually, the following is the mapping for serial hardware in the box:
Com1: modem
Com2: aol ir keyboard
Com3: ir blasters

The modem (like the audio volume) appears to be tied to a GPIO pin on the Bt835 chip. To get full volume, you must set GPIO6 to 1. To gain access to the modem, you must set GPIO0 to 1.

To enable both in your autoexec.bat, use the commands

i2c 88 22 0
i2c 88 21 41

In the seond command, 41 indicates that bits 0 and 6 should be 1. (4x = bit six; x1 = bit zero).

Hope that helps you out.

--matt

04-22-2003 15:42:55

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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System might take more memory. Haven't looked at it.

The one concern that I'd might have is that the 2mb rom is mapped into the 8-10mb space and so you'd probably need a way to disable that (or with Linux, use a kernel configuration command to not map that memory).

--matt

04-22-2003 15:44:21

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) mevanson
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I think I am incorrect about needing to set GPIO0 in order to enable the modem.

I was having difficulties with win98 seeing the modem, so I tried messing with the GPIO pins and that one seemed to do it.

Today, after a clean reboot, I was able to redectect the modem without the I2C bit twiddled.

04-23-2003 17:58:46

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ok, I'll have to try Win98 lite and see if that makes a difference. Do you know what setting of lite you used (chubby, etc.)? I guess my confusion is that the modem didn't seem to work with the AOLTV software which limits me a bit on hacking that since it seems to be constantly attempting to dial out to update some file or setting or something that wasn't set properly because the setup was not actually completed. I'll try to see if I can access the modem from Win98.

BTW, I think that the difference in the "resolution" between the AOLTV software and Win98 might be that the AOLTV software is using overscan and the image is stretched somewhat. The AOLTV software is also probably using bigger fonts. I did the VGA mod and hooked up a monitor with the AOLTV software loaded and the monitor reports that it is in 640x480@60Hz. The same setting in Win98 compresses the screen such that it doesn't take up the full screen and some of the scan lines seem to be missing. If I remember correctly, a TV only has 520 or so visible scan lines. If you can figure out a way to strech Win98 vertically to get a 1:1 ratio on the scan lines and to think that the top and or bottom however-many line above and below the visible screen are unavailable for use, you might be able to get a good crisp picture. There were some other tools in that i2c directory to read and set the video registers, so that might be a start.

On a side note, I just got an Acer NT-150 today and I see what everybody's talking about as far as the similarities. Hacking this should certainly help with hacking the AOLTV. :)


NarShadda
04-24-2003 23:22:59

New MessageRE:Installing Win98 on the AOL/TV (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Ok, I'll have to try Win98 lite and see if that makes a difference. Do you know what setting of lite you used (chubby, etc.)? I guess my confusion is that the modem didn't seem to work with the AOLTV software which limits me a bit on hacking that since it seems to be constantly attempting to dial out to update some file or setting or something that wasn't set properly because the setup was not actually completed. I'll try to see if I can access the modem from Win98.

BTW, I think that the difference in the "resolution" between the AOLTV software and Win98 might be that the AOLTV software is using overscan and the image is stretched somewhat. The AOLTV software is also probably using bigger fonts. I did the VGA mod and hooked up a monitor with the AOLTV software loaded and the monitor reports that it is in 640x480@60Hz. The same setting in Win98 compresses the screen such that it doesn't take up the full screen and some of the scan lines seem to be missing. If I remember correctly, a TV only has 520 or so visible scan lines. If you can figure out a way to strech Win98 vertically to get a 1:1 ratio on the scan lines and to think that the top and or bottom however-many line above and below the visible screen are unavailable for use, you might be able to get a good crisp picture. There were some other tools in that i2c directory to read and set the video registers, so that might be a start.

On a side note, I just got an Acer NT-150 today and I see what everybody's talking about as far as the similarities. Hacking this should certainly help with hacking the AOLTV. :)


NarShadda
04-24-2003 23:24:05

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