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New MessageNPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) VivianC
Do they know something we don't??

Donaldson Lufkin Jenrette said analyst Harry Blount initiated
coverage of NETPLIANCE INC as a buy and set target of $50 a share.
No futher details were immediately available. (Reuters 09:51 AM ET
04/13/2000)

They closed at 10 3/4 Thursday, down 1/4.

Viv

04-14-2000 07:18:04

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) mrbuick
Viv:

Check this link out .. http://www.quicken.com/investments/discuss/?symbol=NPLI

Note the BAR chart .. Yes their is a STRONG buy on the LEFT of the chart ... on the RIGHT their is a 50% number of folks in the SELL category! Not much in between ...either buy it OR sell it ..NOT to hang onto it!

04-14-2000 08:09:53

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
Wishfull thinking.
Nepliance is today 2000-04-14 9:10 Am at its lowest ever at 8 3/4 and the direction is further down. http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=NPLI&d=1b
04-14-2000 09:08:14

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Uh+Yea
Go ahead, buy now! Right now!
Donaldson, Psuedo-analystic morons, Inept and over inflated!
This stock is limelighted! Overblown, and soon defunct!
Think 180 degrees off, and Buy Buy and Buy!
Reality check, they are history!
04-14-2000 11:28:24

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Shadow
Dumb a$$ target stock prices.. My friend jumped on the PALM stock right after IPO, targeted at $200 he bought at $140. Promptly lost $15,000.00 Ouch!

Note, this is not a fraudian friend... I don't have that kind of money to throw away.

04-14-2000 11:38:39

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) close to lower $8
The are close to droping below $5.00. The market took a big hit today, but I don't see how they can come back with everyone buying ie at compusa without TOS. CC can't sell them and dosn't want to deal with them because they can't deliver. Now CUSA will be drained and the end will be that this was a product killed by miss management. Wait until the returns start showing up from the epoxy damaging the bio's in three months.
04-14-2000 13:37:12

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) geek boy
If you put a backslash in front of a link it makes it clickable.
04-14-2000 14:37:40

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) mrbuick
Yes NPLI is down BIG TIME! So are other stocks in that class ..the problem NPLI just announced their IPO in the past month ...opened at $25 Now they are down around $8.00 At anywhere NEAR this daily down turn they will be broke ...Nothing to start with!

Check this link http://www.quicken.com/investments/charts/?symbol=NPLI

04-14-2000 14:52:48

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) callsignGilligan
Yes, Yahoo 5 day chart, shows it going from 16 to 9 over this week.
More interesting is the link regarding CompUSA as a retail outlet.
http://yahoo.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1692242.html?pt.yfin.cat_fin.txt.ne

Can a major shareholder tell me "What is NPLI manufacturing capability in 100's of units per week?" If CC has over 800 stores and CompUSA has 218 thats over 1000 stores 'waiting' for units. How many have been delivered and how many are in the pipeline? This IS a question you shareholders asked right? right???

Sorry, just tired of waiting and listening to NPLI yak about their crap...

04-14-2000 15:46:15

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Tackhead
mrbuick:

NPLI got its money from those who participated in its IPO. It is no longer affected by the price of its stock.

The price of its stock is certainly of great interest to its shareholders, but swings in their stock price have *nothing* to do with the amount of cash they have on hand, nor the immediate-term viability of their business.

I don't know if NPLI has positive book value; I never read their SEC filings. So I'll make up an example to illustrate my point.

Suppose company XYZ is $100M in debt. It's losing money daily. It goes public and sells 10,000,000 shares at $20 apiece to investors who believe the story. It now has $200M in the bank. It could shut its doors, pay off its debts, and have $100M left over, or $10/share to give to its shareholders.

Suppose the market panicked one day and sold XYZ down to $1.00 per share. How much money would XYZ have in the bank then?

The same $100M.

Someone could buy the entire company for just $10M, and discover they had a pile of cash worth $100M. Would you say that "XYZ iz doomed cuz there stok iz fallin to $1 buck!" or "WOW! XYZ iz a screaming buy!"

I'm not saying NPLI is a buy or a sell - merely using my mythical XYZ as an example to point out that the price of a company's stock has *no* bearing on what the company's shares are actually *worth*, nor does it have any immediate bearing on a company's ability to continue to do business.

Is it a reflection of what market participants *think* the company will be worth *someday*? Yes. But investors are people, and people make mistakes.

Did people make a mistake in buying NPLI? Were they paying too much for it two days ago? Are they offering too little for it now?

I don't know how to answer those questions. But people who *do* know how to answer those questions, not just for one company, but for many companies, make millions of dollars a year. They're called research analysts and fund managers.

04-14-2000 16:57:48

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
You are so right and right now those people think the share are worth less than a third than what they were worth a couple of weeks ago. I have not observed anything that NPLI has done that would improve their ability to make money in the long or the short run so far. Inability to deliver the hardware and those that are delivered will not give any returns for quite a while as CC and CompUS probably gets their share first and the hardware is partly given away. The company most be bleeding and when if ever will it deliver returns?
04-14-2000 21:51:37

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Tackhead
LittleDipper: Very true. I wasn't attempting to imply that NPLI's success was at all certain, merely pointing out that mrbuick's assumption (that NPLI's stock price drop implies they're doomed) was shortsighted. The price at any moment in time is merely a snapshot of the market's opinion of their future prospects.

Yes, some investors have lost confidence in NPLI, but the same could be said of just about every stock on NASDAQ this past week. Investors are human, and humans make mistakes, whether by underestimating (AOL is for luzerz, that company'll never amount to anything!) and overestimating (E-Toys will take over the world!) a company's future prospects.

Yes, NPLI is still losing money for every unit they sell. If they don't get customers and retain them for sufficiently-long periods of time, they go out of business. If they can get and retain customers, they make a bundle. The price you should pay for a stock should reflect your assessment of the relative probabilities of these two scenarios.

NPLI, like many technology stocks, may still be overvalued, even with the big drops we've seen in the markets this week. As with any investment, ya pays your money, ya takes your chances.

04-14-2000 22:42:26

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Redwood
Netpiance seems to be reading the boards, and
reacting, some of this is such a waste of time to read, re:CC cancelled... well, take a look /http://www.circuitcity.com/frame1.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1208158156.0955842279@@@@&BV_EngineID=dhalhhjdjjdkbemgcfkmcgch.0&upper=head.jsp&lower=frame2.jsp&left=leftchilddept.jsp&right=departments.jsp&department=Computers+and+Peripherals

they are offering net access for All yer computers.. $26.95, sure seems hi, but, they're at least Doing something... I trade NPLI, enough to buy a roomful of these things.. it actually held out ok in the dump friday. I think they have the jump on this catagory, for now... but, I also bought a WebPlayer... why not? too cheap to pass up..

04-15-2000 17:10:59

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
I still can let go of Npli's future as a company with a positive return. Where is the financial analysis that makes it possibel for the guy at Domaldon and Lufkin to make a future stock price of 50 dollars beliveable.

If NPLI buys the IO for 400 each they also have costs for selling them. Add to this money to CC or CompUSA and also interest on the money until they get a return. The IPS business is also not for free as it has its cots. At the end the monthly subscription fee should last for a lot of expenses apart from giving a return on the business. The big question is how many IOs that really will sign on to the ISP. Maybe the delay is just NPLI's defence for the hacker attack and the hope is to get as many cancellations as possible as a hacked IO is just lost money. Is there someone out there with economoical background that can make a more detailed estimate of NPLI's road to revenue and profit for the stock holders?

04-16-2000 21:38:28

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) i-bill
NPLI will be at 0 (zero) if they can't get units shipped soon.

They are Soooo worried about a handful of "hackers" that they seem to have lost complete focus on their business model.

If they were wise... They would flood the channels with iOpeners, forget the "hackers" (most "hackers" are not hackers anyway) and consider the "lost" units as fodder.

People will tire of trying to turn this crap machine into a "real" pc and NPLI can get on with their concept.

Didn't they calculate a percentage that wouldn't make it past the first 30 days or 90 days anyway?

After using mine as "intended", (substituting my isp for their $22 service), I find the iOpener extremely weak. Can't surf the web properly, can't download or exchange files, and the screen is painful after 10 or 15 minutes.

The target market, if it really exists, will make or break the product/service. If they can't reach their target, they're dead.

04-17-2000 15:55:05

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) osuuma
The Dow up 276

NASDAQ up 217

Standard and Poor up 44

NPLI down 3/16 to 8 11/16

Imagine Nelson Muntz of The Simpsons saying

"HA, HA!"

04-17-2000 16:27:08

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
Something is seriously wrong here:


"Donaldson Lufkin Jenrette said analyst Harry Blount initiated
coverage of NETPLIANCE INC as a buy and set target of $50 a share.
No futher details were immediately available. (Reuters 09:51 AM ET
04/13/2000)"

If NPLI cannot deliver the IOs how are they ever to make money. For every day more and more people are using Cable or DSL and for every IO sold to a hacker the longer it takes NPLI to get out of the red. Time is working against NPLI. Consider that shareholders infused about 150 miljon dollars I think this is serious business. Was the whole IPO a scam to enrich the original owners of NPLI and how could Harry Blount come to 50 dollars?

04-17-2000 19:01:20

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) batman
Harry must be holding alot of NPLI.
04-17-2000 19:18:42

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) bad_packet
Ya'll woudln't believe the BS being excreted by NP at Analyst conference calls and on various stock sites like Motley Fools.
NP really is selling the fact that they made the IO "unhackable"

Oh well, a little birdie told me the register will be investigating this whole deal very shortly.

04-19-2000 01:23:17

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Spoofy
Down (again) 4/19/2000: 9 3/4 -5/16 (3.11%)
04-19-2000 14:49:49

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) vagitarian
Profile
I've sold short 100 shares. Just waiting for the stock to tank...shouldn't be too long, sure could use an extra grand! Personally I'm putting the price at about 3.00 - 4.00 per share by the end of the month. Still time to make a bundle.

Alex

04-20-2000 08:32:38

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
According to Mrs. Savage Mr. Savage is in Japan. It has earlier been said in a thread that NPLI cannot deliver because of a shortage of LCD screens. Japan is the major supplier of LCD screens. Cheap LCS screens is the only major distiction between NPLI and other Netapliances providers as it makes all the difference in the appearence of the hardware compare to a traditional CRT. Here is a specualtion: If there is a shortage of cheap LCDs and Mr Savage fails to find any surplus, NPLI's end is near.
04-20-2000 10:24:42

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) bc12d
I don't know how much cash they raised in their IPO but I got to believe they can hang on for quite awhile. NPLI has virtually no assets. Their ISP is really a virtual ISP hosted by Laserlink.com (checkout Laserlink's press release on NPLI) and they have no manufacturing facilities. If their biggest expense is marketing and advertising it must be slealth advertising. I never heard of them till I picked up the link at Arstechnica.com. My quess is that this is a tiny company (<50 employees)with very low expenses. If they had the units to sell (which I doubt) and let CompUSA and CC do their job, they probably would be in fine shape.
04-20-2000 11:30:50

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
NPLI has had whole page advertising in several dayly newspappers and has spent more than 20 miljons on advertising this year. They raised about 150 miljons. Their businessmodel is to supply a unique Netappliance with a LCD screen that only can commect to NPLI. The formfactor of the IO distinguish them from other players. However my personal view is that there is a serios flaw in their busuness model as the IO builds on outdated components and gives the impression to be built from surplus components, motherboard, CPU and LCD which are not available in limitless numbers to attractive prices. Please correct me if I am wrong.
04-20-2000 12:27:37

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) justthisguy
That was my very first thought when I found out they are using an old dual scan display... "Man, if they got some kind of sweet deal on these parts surplus, they are really going to be screwed when the supply dries up." I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they had to switch to a newer "mass produced" display probably at several times the cost. This whole company seems to be focused on the short term. I do almost wonder if this is a get rich quick scheme for the founders...
04-20-2000 18:15:37

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) zonger
The reason they chose a flash rom, sansDisk
and QNX is that they want to provide a sevice
that is easy to make better, and can be done
at their end, without scaring users who are
not into hardware mods. Their service, while
lacking some things at the momenet, will be
much better in the future. I e-mail them
regularly to apply a G.M. business plan...
lots of different models, with many feature
sets ala GTO, Jimmy, Riviera, Cadillac Olds
etc. The $22 per month must hit the peasants
and cheapscates real hard...I wonder what
percentage of IO mod folk would return a lost
wallet or purse ?
04-20-2000 19:27:23

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Spoofy
The idea is that they're ofering a "cheap" network appliance to suck in the uninitiated.

Their business model is based on hooking the customer and locking them in. Then resell the demographics and target marketing the advertising.

It is not a "PREMIUM" service we're talking abut here. It's the bottom of the barrel, get in cheap and easy. Why else the $99 buy in?

No, I see it as NPLI boiler-room techniques. "Hit 'em hard; hit 'em fast and cash in".

Who's spoofing who?

NPLI is not AOL or even Earthlink. Get over it. They're going down.

04-20-2000 19:39:21

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) directpc
They had a good idea, get machines into the hands of users that don't want a computer and make it basic, for grandma and the non techie friends, but they screwed up no contract and made the unit with pc parts, we hacked them and found out they were great picture frames and mp3 players.

What they should do is give real isp service,not the halfA$$ stuff they have now and make it like webtv where you can use your own isp for a reduced cost.

And sell a unit to hackers at cost so they can get them in techie users hands to show to there friends and have a refund program for every user you sign up you get $25.00 or a free months service. this would be there best option, still getting a cash stream from the hackers and selling more units.

04-22-2000 08:05:32

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) down down down
http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=NPLI&d=2b
04-25-2000 00:23:57

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LIttleDipper
DirectPC, what is your idea about that "at cost" price? My guess is that it would be so hight that nobody would be interested, about $500-600 and sales of IOs would not add many real customers to the internet service anyway. Why would NPLI be better able to provide hardware than a regular PC manufacturor like Compaq or Gateway?

I am still specualating that the IO is made of a limitid supply of suprplus parts and the most critical part is the LCD. If the supply of cheap LCDs dry up, so does NPLI.

With the current demand of big LCD panels it is hard to get any new 10" LCD to any price. Why would any manufacturor make 10" when he can get 15" panels sold to his capacity at a profitable price?

04-25-2000 04:44:23

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
Maybe NPLI expected that the demand would be low enough to give them time to make some money off ISP fees while designing and manufacturing the "i-opener 2" with more expensive parts. Maybe the "cheap" LCD screen was used to keep costs down now until the ISP revenue came in. Just a guess.
04-25-2000 08:34:29

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) silver944
The reuters plus terminal on my desk gives their forward earnings as -$3.20 With a cash burn like that they better get on the stick and tend to their biz model (or create a new one, since this one is going noplace fast).
04-25-2000 16:58:57

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
Stock now under 7. NPLI to give report on Q1 earnings next week.
05-04-2000 07:52:47

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) Spiff Anderson
....or losses rather. If they do report earnings, they'd be facing charges for fraud.
05-04-2000 08:03:30

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) MrBuick
NPLI Under 6 ... 5 3/4 1pm ET
05-04-2000 10:13:22

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) LittleDipper
Q1 losses sounds so depressing. Even negative earnings sound better. Even so a man abandon ship seems to go on.
05-04-2000 11:40:22

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) i-Bill
Will NPLI be a good buy at 3?

Still waiting for my price...

05-04-2000 11:42:38

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) osuuma
NPLI at 5 3/4

Happy days are here!

Hey, it'll be a penny stock real soon.

05-04-2000 17:34:00

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) osuuma
4 3/8


YES!

05-26-2000 13:28:29

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) off the big board
under 5 it goes off the big board!

BYE BYE!! and good riddance to greedy bastards.

05-26-2000 17:12:23

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) muldrake
Profile
It sounds like these guys have really screwed up. Is it honestly driving them so nuts that some people hack these? I am impressed enough with the hardware and low price that I already know three people who would buy these in a heartbeat if I recommended it, all fairly clueless and non-hackers! But they have gone into such an idiotic frenzy over hackers that they seem to have alienated their own distribution network, and I'm not sure if I can recommend it because I'm not sure they'll exist long as a company.

It's sad, really. I've seen this happen too often in the tech world. A company comes out with a good solid product that thrills people, but then pisses it away with a completely flawed business model and asshole corporate behavior. (What's amazing is that the morons who sink corporations like this are usually the most highly-paid people.)

It's really incredibly stupid to piss off the geeks. Every clueless (but willing to be clued) person who likes technology asks the geeks they know before they buy something!

I might still recommend this to people if I thought the company would keep existing, but I've told 3 people who would buy it on my say-so to hold off a bit until we see whether NPLI will still be around. I'm not going to blow my credibility recommending a belly-up company. These corporate dip####s hear about a few hackers, and they act like a 50s sitcom wife seeing a mouse and thrash around like idiots committing financial suicide as a "measured response." Nail. Head. Bang. Duh.

And I'd really LIKE to be able to recommend this--it's easier than webtv even and one of the few things I've seen I could say even to a technophobe that yes, even YOU could use this.

05-26-2000 18:46:59

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) no to worry
no worry, more like it coming the market, do good, be wait
05-26-2000 21:24:07

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) RenegadeX
It's not JUST netpliance that's plummeting, you know. Just about every tech stock on the excahnge has been going down down down.

Even Microsoft...but for other reason, namely the initials D O J

05-26-2000 22:16:48

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) bbb65
Muldrake has it right. NPLI's behavior is really amazing. On the one hand they put a ton of money into a national advertising campaign, with full page ads in mags that must be up at the top of the advertising rate scale, and then at the same time they withhold their product and destroy their distribution channels while they figure out how to modify their machine and their business model to outwit a few pesky hackers. If they had put their corporate energy where the market is, they could be rolling in money now and the hacker threat would just be a minor inconvenience which could easily be ignored in the interest of goodwill and favorable recommendations to the less technically inclined.

I wonder if they have actually tried to impose the massive termination fee on any oldsters who found the machine too hard to use and tried to back out. Wait till the AARP gets ahold of that story.

05-27-2000 08:02:48

New MessageRE:NPLI Stock Price (modified 0 times) silver944
A correction to one of the above posts on stocks that are under 5. First, NPLI is NASD so the Big Board doesn't matter. Secondly, the NYSE does not have any such rule. Finally, the only thing that happens under 5$ per share is that you cannot be holding it in a margin account. All that said, there stock price is a sick puppy. Too bad too. I was hoping that these guys could make a go of it, but they have been taken over by the marekting types and are just not engaging in good business practice. The COMPUSA and CC connections are totally shot, they are 4 weeks backlog on their website and must be losing money on every one they make. O well...
05-27-2000 13:25:10

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