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I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) codeman Profile | Email OK here you go Get you iopeners now $125.00 these are customet returns/refurb from netpliance and have a DOA warranty only the sandisk is wiped clean and some may have goop on the bios (netpliance said only 4000 of all iopener had goop) we are still working on the tech docs for the iopener hope to have them soon. so go order now and add that you heard it from linux-hacker.net so we get our part 8) http://www.flat-panel.com/iopener.htm ken aka codeman 03-13-2001 13:50:24

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) GWIZAH Profile | Email Whoa! Whoa! Slow down there buddy! :) What version are these? Are they all V5's? or does this mean any version (our choice please...)? Still, Im running there! 03-13-2001 15:03:26

Woo hoo! (modified 0 times) NormConquest Profile | Email I have to wonder, though... If Netpliance had just used all that energy to sell the product to their target audience INSTEAD OF trying to screw over the evil hackers, might they still be alive today? 03-13-2001 15:05:42

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) NormConquest Profile | Email From the product description (may be gooped, etc.) and the minimal guarantee (no DOA) it's fair to presume that there's no predicting what version you'll get. And at this tiny markup, you can bet your butt that flatpanel isn't going to open up the boxes and classify the contents for you. You rolls your dice and takes your chances. 03-13-2001 15:52:47

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) codeman Profile | Email you are right no idea of what version you will get but they will work and no DOA's each one has to have the flash wiped so each unit will be tested.. codeman 03-13-2001 16:28:58

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Geez, what happened to $99? Now we're up to $125 + $15 for FedEx Ground and should see it in "10 days or less"? No idea of what version, or cosmetic condition, and the only DOA warranty is if it doesn't power up? If all they did was flash the SanDisk, how do I know the keyboard or screen is fully functional? Call me grumpy, but my brand new one was only $50 more and I knew exactly what I was getting as far as version (more or less based on label date) and functionality. With 20,000(!) of these, I think they'll be dropping the price soon or dumping them through another channel for a lot less. They're not advertising quantity pricing, and at $140 each I don't see anyone sticking out their neck for a group buy. Still too many unanswered questions, and I don't think they actually have all of these units in their hands unless they paid a heck of a lot less than what they're asking. C'mon Codeman, what's the real deal? B'Dog 03-13-2001 20:43:32

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) 02U2 Profile Hmmmm, That epoxy on those bio's chips otta be good and rock hard now. Had at least 8 to 9 months to cure. I can see someone making a good profit on bio's plcc socket repair. 03-14-2001 04:30:42

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Randy Profile BubbaDog56, that is the most ungracious legitimate (i.e., non-flamebait) posting I've seen in a long time. As for "Geez, what happened to $99?", nobody promised you anything. Codeman floated his hoped-for price in order to gauge interest, not to officially offer anything for sale yet. You're so disappointed, yet just 24 hours ago virtually the only remaining place to find them at all was eBay anymore, and seller quality varies there from super-terrific to super-terrible (thankfully, skewing toward the good). What's the matter with having another relatively inexpensive source of these puppies marketed directly toward hackers? While you may roll the dice with respect to version, at least the units are guaranteed to arrive in working order with a 60-day warranty. Several other of your statements were incredibly rude (and ignorant!) as well, viz.: -- "If all they did was flash the SanDisk, how do I know the keyboard or screen is fully functional?" Umm, did you read the sales agreement where it mentioned the "60 day d.o.a. warranty"? In other words, if you buy it and it sits there for 48 days before you turn it on, and then you find out it doesn't work, you can get a replacement. Moreover, they offer a regular 30-day return in original sale condition even if the thing works, but a restocking fee applies in that case. Given the closeout firesale nature of this offering, I'd say these terms are more than fair. -- "Call me grumpy, but my brand new one was only $50 more and I knew exactly what I was getting..." Ok, grumpy, go buy one new NOW. CompUSA and Circuit City have exited stage left, and you can't even buy them from HSN anymore. Are you expecting another $50-more-brand-new sales channel at some point? -- "They're not advertising quantity pricing..." Aw, poor BubbaDog is apparently angry because this new opportunity is too expensive. I guess we'd all be better off if nobody had brought up the topic of Netpliance selling them to us at all. By the way, if you were a serious volume buyer they'd work a deal with you; you must have missed this: "Please email lcdking@flat-panel.com with your volume inquires." -- "Still too many unanswered questions..." Wtf? -- "I don't think they actually have all of these units in their hands unless they paid a heck of a lot less than what they're asking." These are being shipped from a Netpliance storage facility in California. Nobody's holding inventory. And, yes, the website gets a referral bonus for hosting the sales page. You've not been reading very closely. (And even if the inventory were held in a standard buy-lower/sell-higher manner, which it's not, what the heck would be wrong with that?) -- "C'mon Codeman, what's the real deal?" YEAH, CODEMAN, WHAT'S THE *REAL* DEAL? Has Codeman been cavorting with communists? Has he been plotting world domination? Inquiring minds want to know the real deal! Something's fishy here, very fishy. C'mon, Codeman, come clean. Randy 03-14-2001 04:36:31

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Steve Profile | Email Ditto Randy. Thanks for posting that. 03-14-2001 06:44:24

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) spincycle Profile Call me skeptical, but I don't see more than 5,000 of these things being moved. I'm still in love with the IO, but if you notice the level of posts today from what it was 9 months ago....I think some of the novelty has left it. I would wager that the reason the price went to $125 is flat panel and codemans cut. I paid 145 or so on my V1 from NPLI so the price at $140 with P/H won't phaze me. I think I will wait until they start clearing them out at bargain basement prices. Does anyone ever wonder if NPLI were having nightmares with codeman in them back in March of 2000? Those employees seemed to all be heavily vested in this venture. SpinCycle 03-14-2001 07:04:27

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Randy, Steve, et al.... My message wasn't meant to be ungracious or disrespectful to Codeman, or flame bait, and I can see how it may have came across that way. Too easy to hit the send key, too hard to call back. I'll gauge my words more carefully in the future so as not to ruffle feathers. I appreciate what Codeman has done, without him none of us would be here. I am also glad that he struck a deal with BadFlash to handle sales, this can free him up to think about the next cool thing. As far as my comments on price, they still stand. If these are drop-shipping out of a California warehouse direct from Netpliance inventory, it means there's two markups on them (one for Earth Computer and one for Codeman). I hope Codeman's getting a good return (honestly, don't misread that), and wish he could have eliminated Earth Computer and dealt directly. I waited 2 1/2 months for my IMOD3, but still have more faith in Codeman than Earth Computer. Even though they're posting the ad, it's this site (and a few others) that will drive all the business their way. I will probably still buy a few, but not quite as fast. I do agree with Spincycle that they're not going to move many of these very rapidly, and we should see them possibly surface elsewhere in the not-too-distant future at a lower price. In addition, as Codeman pointed out, this will drive down the price on eBay. Once again, my apologies to those who may have taken offense. I do like the idea of Codeman conspiring with Communists though. Maybe it's all a plot to get us to waste our valuable time and money when we could be doing something productive for our country? Naaah.... B'Dog (Wearing flame-proof jockeys) 03-14-2001 07:38:06

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) redwood Profile Seems like _some people will even complain when the Sun is out.. Too bright, hurts my eyes... hummm, perhaps, its not a Total waste of time, complaining online... but, methinks perhaps close... nice work codeman, thanks again.... 03-14-2001 10:17:28

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) starfish Profile News Flash ! This Same Thread was Started in the "Chat Room" I-Opener General Posts by CodeMan. (All topics, discussions and general stuff) You Think It has anything to do with His Request, " Breaking I-News ONLY, think 'is it breaking news?' before posting please " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I get it. It's a Joke ! & CodeMan is Too Dumb to Edit His Board (NOT !) Those Interested in a Pissing Contest, I would like to Suggest, You are Standing in Front of a Fan !!! KEEP K00L DUDES, The chilling * StarFish * 03-15-2001 16:55:25

I-opener Not Really Available Afterall (modified 0 times) pjrc Profile | Email Summary: Earth called me this morning, March 22nd, 2001, and the do not actually have these I-openers. I placed an order for three of these I-openers with Earth on Wednesday, March 14th, 2001. The guy who took my order assured me that they would ship that day by FedEx P2, so that I would receive them by Friday. I called at 4PM on Friday (FedEx almost always delivers quite early in the morning). They said the i-openers were being shipped between their warehouses, and that they would ship on order on Monday. They offered to upgrade the shipping to FedEx P1 (presumably at their expense), but I told them I would only have time to play with it on the weekend, so anytime before the next Friday would be fine. Yesterday (Wednesday, March 21) I intended to call them again, as once more the package did not show up... but I didn't get around to it until after 5pm. This morning someone from Earth called. My girlfriend took the call. Apparantly Earth does not have any i-openers. They said they had made a bid to buy them, and the bid was accepted, and then they were sold to someone else who bid higher. So apparantly Earth was lied to... though they told me the i-openers were in stock and ready to ship on March 14th, and again promised it would ship on March 19th, so it's hard to know what the story is. It is a fact that they called today, March 22nd, and apologized that they would not be able to ship any i-openers. 03-22-2001 16:06:18

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) will Profile If this is true than codeman has formed a poor track record for his business practices- "imho" to take someone's order without having the product is tantamount to fraudulent business practices... if he refunds the money charged it becomes restitution and does not negate the original fraudulent practice. I've noticed that he hides behind vacations and excuses of all sorts when delaying delivery of promised goods- one wonders if his self employment was self inflicted, who could put up with this type of behavior in a workplace? Once again if true it's a totally unacceptable way to conduct business. 03-22-2001 17:08:21

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Randy Profile Will, I just phoned my brother on the telephone and read your message to him word for word. He's an attorney. His opinion was that you are full of crap, especially that part about "if he refunds the money charged it becomes restitution and does not negate the original fraudulent practice." Basically he said you don't know much about what constitutes fraud (which must include something called "clear intent to deceive"); plus, he noted that prompt refunds evidence the opposite of fraud. In retail sales, contracts fall through and products become unavailable without notice. In those cases, the merchant has a responsibility to notify the buyers within "a reasonable period" (varies from state to state) and to issue a prompt refund. The moral of the story: Go to law school. Randy 03-22-2001 19:33:55

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Texman Profile Hey Will, when did Codeman take an order for these IOs? If you would actually READ PJRC's post he said he got them from Earth (Computer). As far as a refund being restitution...you are absolutely right (restitution is defined as :The act of restoring to the rightful owner something that has been taken away). However, this in no way constitutes fraud. Did Codeman take $99 from you, then ask for $16 more in order for you to get your product?...that would constitute fraud. Please, don't be an asshole just to be an asshole. 03-22-2001 22:37:11

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) will Profile Texman, shame that you are the big asshole in this... "earth" is codemans business just like this bbs is his- wake up asswipe and do the reading required to post before you open your mouth. 03-24-2001 05:22:39

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) will Profile Randy, let's take this step by step maybe it will be easier on you and your brother. "Phoning your brother on the telephone" is a good idea because phoning him on a toaster seldom works. His opinion means nothing to me. Have your brother read everything and show you were no contract was mentioned and no contract was ever said to have "fallen through". Now look up in any dictionary the definition of fraud, you will find even in a Childs dictionary the word "trickery" is used for simple little developing minds. Look back and note the "imho" which in today's lexicon means "in my humble opinion". Now stop wasting everyone's time. 03-24-2001 05:49:20

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Randy Profile Wow, Will, your capacity for hatred is pretty immense. Hope you feel better soon. Randy 03-24-2001 12:25:35

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) will Profile Randy, I never singled you out- you had to "phone your brother on the telephone" Why must you end every post with the most derogatory thing your simple little mind can come up with? I suspect that the hatred you find is within and your problem is spewing that hatred... seek help, or phone your brother on your telephone. 03-24-2001 14:56:04

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) jayfive Profile More important then the repeated insulting: Who DID win the bid for all the I-Openers? And are they selling them? 03-24-2001 18:50:47

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Gee Wally, so I guess they didn't have them in their hands after all, huh? Certainly glad I didn't order one yet, I'll wait until they surface with some sort of reputable vendor (and probably at a better price).... B'Dog P.S. - Not flamebait Randy, just the facts. P.P.S. - Screw the whales, Save The i-Os!!! 03-24-2001 21:04:12

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) Texman Profile Hey Will, sorry for the delay in reply, but i've been busy. I will admit I didn't know earth and codeman were one in the same, but I repeat....don't be an asshole just to be an asshole.....the jist of this thread is about fraud....Codeman wasn't fraudulent in and shape or form. If you have proof otherwise, show it...if you dont...shut up (without required reading....asswipe). 05-01-2001 22:53:03

RE:I-opener's all you want $125.00 each (modified 0 times) pjrc Profile | Email I thought I'd check back and see if there were any new developments on the i-opener... but saddly the only new posts to be some flames, mostly from Will. I thought I should point out the Codeman wasn't the one selling these IO's, they were being sold (or were at least going to be sold before it fell through) by Earth. Will seems to have somehow formed the impression that Codeman owns or works for Earth Computer Tech, as evidenced by comments like "shame that you are the big asshole in this... 'earth' is codemans business just like this bbs is his". If you do a whois search, you'll quickly discover the Codeman is Ken Segler, and linux-hacker.net (this site) and linux-hacker.net are registered to Ken in Las Vegas, Nevada, who uses lvdi.net, which is an ISP with five offices, and one just happens to be in Las Vegas (the other four aren't anywhere near Earth Computer Tech). If you then take a little trip over the Earth's page, it's quite easy to see that they are located in San Juan Capistrano, California. They did just move, but their old location was also in California, (San Clemente, I believe). Now there may be some relationship between Earth and codeman, but it's pretty safe to say that codeman would have one hell of a commute if he actually worked at Earth Computer Tech !! Maybe the whole thing is a big conspiracy and cover up, but much as I enjoy a conspiracy theory, that's just too far fetched. My experience with Earth was quite reasonable. There certainly wasn't anything fraudulent (IANAL). They didn't charge my credit card (or if they did they reversed the charge before it hit my bank), so refunding money wasn't even an issue. They believed the i-openers I had ordered would ship when they made the statement over the phone, and when I called back I think they honestly believed the i-openers would ship soon. Several days later they called me to let me know they had been screwed and wouldn't ever be able to ship those i-openers. While I would have prefered to have the i-openers, I think they handled the situation in quite a respectable manner. I've had experiences with several vendors where I'd call back again after a long time to find out they didn't have the product, so I think Earth's service was actually quite good, considering that THEY CALLED ME only a couple days after I was expecting delivery. Anyways, if anyone's reading this thread anymore, I thought I chime in just once more to say that my overall experience with Earth Computer Tech was quite reasonable. It looks like they got screwed by whoever agreed to sell them the i-openers, and they handled the situation as well as any reasonable person could expect. BTW: if anyone knows where all those i-openers ended up, please do tell.... 05-18-2001 14:43:41

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