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IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) higgins Profile | Email Hmmm...Hi Tech Cafe is selling these IBM Java NICs for $59. Are these interesting to this crowd??? 164 in stock. http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct2.asp?sku=8362%2DA52&dept%5Fid=14 IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION SERIES 1000 The IBM Network Station Series 1000 offers support for local execution of Java business applications, as well as Web-based and server-based applications 03-23-2001 08:02:50

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) eddavis Profile Clickable: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct2.asp?sku=8362%2DA52&dept%5Fid=14 Now, you have to know what these things are. They do not run standalone, they require a server running a utility that will serve applications back to the device. No idea how hackable they are, but they do have a slot on the motherboard for a riser card. The chip in these guys is a PowerPC 603, and they have ethernet built in. Here's the IBM link: http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&doctype=&subtype=All&page=brand&menu=model&brand=IBM+Network+Station&family=IBM+Network+Station%7CThin+Client+Hardware&machineType=IBM+Network+Station%7CThin+Client+Hardware%7C8362&model=IBM+Network+Station%7CThin+Client+Hardware%7C8362%7CA52 Don't think they're worth it unless you're building a home network, in which case they could be perfect. Centralized maintenance of applications, and truly thin clients. 03-23-2001 08:16:05

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) SteveInNC Profile They may be worth it. The specs listed off of the IBM link above mention USB and 2 half-length PCI slots. There is a Linux port for the PowerPC, so it may just be a matter of appropriate "hammering". Of course, you'd still have to come up with a monitor, unless you wanted to run headless as a server box... 03-23-2001 17:05:56

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) gr8_brit Profile I don't think there's any PCI slots. I checked out the full manual http://publib.boulder.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/QBJADK05/CCONTENTS which shows an exploded view of the guts. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com:80/bookmgr/pictures/qbjadk05.p23z.gif It shows the (optional) PCMCIA adapter upgrade (still available from IBM @ $125 (ouch!), http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&prnbr=07L8336&cntry=840&lang=en_US in addition to the (standard?) smartcard slot on the front. I doubt there's an IDE port, but the whole assembly is probably a PREP (PowerPC Reference Platform) or CHRP (Common Hardware Reference Platform) compliant motherboard, which probably has the chips for a PCI->IDE converter on board, just no headers or other PCI expansion. If it is based in PREP/CHRP, then Linux should run almost 'out the box', if the image is booted across the network. Looks like the unit will BOOTP from a remote server. I don't expect I'll get one... too many other things on the go right now, and my 'future project' pile is getting ever bigger. I think I saw that the PSU needed is 16VDC @ 4A. Can't confirm that now though! Also notice that the number available INCREASED to 166 at 4:30PST. Cheers, gr8_brit 03-23-2001 17:52:38

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) higgins Profile | Email :Also notice that the number available INCREASED to 166 at 4:30PST. And they've raised the price to $69. Look after lurking here for months, I'm just happy to have posted anything intelligent..... 03-23-2001 21:51:29

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) eddavis Profile $69? Too much. I'd buy one for maybe $25. Too many unknowns. 03-24-2001 06:53:07

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) SteveInNC Profile re: PCI My bad, the 2800 model has half-length PCI slots. I followed the IBM links above and just ASSuMEd that it was taking me to relevant information. The FAQ is actually for the 2800 instead. 03-26-2001 14:39:07

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) higgins Profile | Email Weird. Now they're listed at $799. What's the deal with Hitech Cafe? They change prices constantly.... 03-30-2001 08:55:40

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile now they are 55 just got 2, excellent citrix ica, windows rdp terminals have some at work 03-30-2001 22:28:49

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) DoS4WhO Profile | Email Just ordered one at $55. - Thanks for the update, Higgins.... ~m 04-02-2001 11:50:42

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) demonj Profile All the docs I have read talk about the "IBM Network Station Manager" software. Is this just a bootp server or some (typically) proprietary IBM only protocol? I'd be interested to hear if anyone was able to capture some packets from one of these to determine what it's looking for on the network. It would be excellent to get one of these running as an ICA client or run an X-term session on one. Since shipping costs to Bermuda borders on the obscene, I'll wait to hear what people find out before getting on to one. (funny how you can ship a package from Key West to Seattle for $15 but the same package to Bermuda costs over $100 and goes less than half the distance). Oh well. Cheers! 04-11-2001 07:26:45

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) eddavis Profile The manager software should be available from IBM for free. I know the online documentation for the client lists a web site where this software is, but you can look at http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=8362-A52 and probably find it from there. 04-11-2001 08:46:08

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile as I wrote earlier, the IBM thin clients run RDP and ICA these are MS and Citrix ultra low bandwidth protocol for providing a full desktop from Windows Nt 4.o terminal server edition or Windows 2000, also from many versions of Citrix which runs on top of these 2 OS's.(Citrix ICA is alot faster) the IBM software is for management and firmware update etc. Hope this helps. On another note.... I ordered mine on 03-30, has anybody accually gotten thier shipment? at 15 bucks this is ridiculus I think. I also saw this from hitech on ebay BTW <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-11-2001 17:54:37

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile I seems cowtowing is in order, this specific model seems to be an AS/400 only thin client(but does run java apps see this PDF ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/network_station/ns1000_java.pdf <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-11-2001 18:02:15

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile possible with a manager upgrade to v2.1??? for the Win support.. http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rt=0&rs=0&org=psg&doc=1681B0E203288226852569520051080A <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-11-2001 18:05:08

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile check these for more info, just got mine pics to come.... http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/handbook/v4r520b/5486Peri.htm ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/network_station/1000.pdf This is the manual http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/QBJADK05/CCONTENTS <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-13-2001 17:23:44

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) eddavis Profile Zen, they're definitely not AS/400 only. Though IIRC, the documentation for these puppies used to be only in the AS/400 section of the IBM website, but the manager software has an NT flavor. 04-13-2001 17:46:07

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) jmead Profile | Email so has anyone actually gotten one working? Do i need a dedicated server, and will any comp work, or can I just add the software to one of my existing servers? 04-13-2001 19:48:57

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) transiit Profile I picked up a couple of the 8361-100 units last November. Haven't had a lot of time to work on them, but I have managed to boot them. Just had to grab the kernel and some other support files off of IBM's site and told the firmware to grab what it needed from my linux box over nfs. Heck, the netstation mini-howto is part of the LDP http://www.linuxpowered.com/archive/mini/Netstation.html Coincidentally, the 8361-100 has a PPC 403GCX processor in it - same as the Tivo. I wouldn't be shocked if I could get linux running directly on these things. -transiit 04-13-2001 21:12:45

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile NE1 have a source for the Power Supplies? I have it running on a Bench supply, it boots into my Win 2k Term server, mine came with v2.1 of the manager. <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-13-2001 21:26:17

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile What kind of power supply does it take? 04-16-2001 09:06:57

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile Input 100-240 VAC, 1.3 - 0.7a Output 16 VDC, 3.36a Center Pos IBM says machine will draw 55 watts, The speced power supply will deliver 54 or so(queston what in the world uses so mush power in there?, there is a PPC 604e, AMD EtherFast chip, S3 Virge, and odd even flash chips, and some RAM...... what is the big draw here... 110 only would be fine for me, Have tried a 15vdc 3a and a 16vdc 2a, both Power light and keyboard reset but no video..... and no beeps..... <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-16-2001 19:15:17

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) eddavis Profile I believe the power supply matches what IBM uses for some of its laptops. Maybe you could find one of those. 04-17-2001 07:52:56

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile It looks like the HighTech Cafe has put them back up to $799. 04-18-2001 09:11:46

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Back down to $59 today. These guys are like the stock market! Anyone have a line on power supplies yet? I found the IBM part number but can't seem to find one anywhere. Viv 04-20-2001 07:34:05

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile what is the part number for the supply? <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-20-2001 09:09:57

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile The power supply part number is 45H3490. There is a wealth of information to be found at http://publib.boulder.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/QBJADK05/CCONTENTS 04-22-2001 14:48:12

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) yellow1 Profile | Email so can they be connected to a win machine running terminal services u der w2k or win xp ? 04-23-2001 16:52:53

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile call this number 1-800-388-7080, option 2 then option 2 again, the power supply part number above is good, the prive is 35$ with 90 day warr. <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-24-2001 08:47:16

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) zendick Profile do not use this part number, it came today, way off 18vac FuscXXXXKKK this is kiosking me off. <|ZeNdIcK|> 04-26-2001 12:08:53

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Wow! Down to $49! Anyone have any luck on finding a replacement power supply? Viv 05-10-2001 12:43:13

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) old_dog Profile Here is a link to an old Reseller review. It might help you figure things out: http://www.itnews.com.au/crn/testcentre/025_1.htm 05-10-2001 13:55:28

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile Has anyone had any luck in hacking this thing? 05-10-2001 14:03:47

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Jeez! And like a yoo-yoo, it's back up to $799. I think I'll grab one on the next dip and try to figure out the power supply from there. I have a few old ones from IBM laptops floating around... Viv 05-11-2001 13:56:22

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile And now back to $49, so I ordered one. I have also made some headway on the power supply: Try IBM FRU 11J8956. This seems to match the output Zendick listed. It should be a unit that works with Thinkpad Models 240/310/380/385/390/560/570/600/770/1400/1500/1700. So I'll order one and let everyone know if it works, unless someone has one around they can test sooner. Viv 05-14-2001 11:44:42

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Groch Profile | Email Compgeeks has these now with power supply for $49 05-19-2001 06:28:27

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) DoS4WhO Profile | Email Can u post a link? TIA ~m 05-19-2001 17:31:30

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) oniq Profile | Email I just happened to be surfing comp geeks, as well as this site. It must be a sign. =) http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=8361-100 05-19-2001 20:30:39

Not the Same (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile The item at CompuGeeks is a Network Station 100. The one at Hi Tech Cafe was a 1000. There are very different machines, the 100 is the first generation. Much less powerful. 05-20-2001 04:41:25

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Looks like they moved around some of their links. Here is where it currently resides: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=14&sku=8362%2DA52 UPS says mine will be here tomorrow. Guess I'll have to leave work early... Viv 05-21-2001 19:53:39

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile Will await your assessment of this Vivian. I ordered the "little brother" model 100 from compgeeks and it should arrive in a few days. I'm betting that if there's nothing else to be done with it it should run VNC... 05-22-2001 14:21:21

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile I got it last night! It's ever smaller than I thought. I haven't had time to do much with it yet but it came with 32meg and my power supply worked fine. It is IBM FRU 11J8956. It should be a unit that works with Thinkpad Models 240/310/380/385/390/560/570/600/770/1400/1500/1700. I'll see if I can get it taken apart tonight and post some pictures. Viv 05-23-2001 09:09:21

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JimDiGriz Profile I am lookin on Ubid and see this "IBM Network Station 603ev 200MHz 64MB". Part number 8362-A53. There are only two up and they are at $9. They off lease equipment. I have seen these go in pairs this week. I never saw what they finally ended up sellin for. Are they the same as thing as this thread topic? Does anyone think they are worth messing with? 05-24-2001 19:17:12

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile It's practically the same thing as the 1000 - it's a variant on the one available at Hi Tech Cafe. Do you have a URL? I looked on uBid with no luck. 05-25-2001 06:33:39

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Ed, Check out http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/4844267.asp#prod_desc Looks like a pretty big box for so little inside.... B'Dog 05-25-2001 08:15:20

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile That's not the right picture. It's a small, thin, vertical box, same as the other units. Here's the specs on a few of the models: http://www.argecy.com/07L6715.html http://www.perfdata.com/Networkstations_1.html 05-25-2001 08:45:33

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile >Does anyone think they are worth messing with? I'm EXPECTING (read "hoping") that this type of device can somehow be made to run VNC, in which case you need only a monitor/kbd/mouse and an Ethernet connection to run any PC from another (remote) location. 05-25-2001 10:25:10

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Laserfan, Will VNC work over an HPNA network? If so, I'm interested in these things as dumb terminals accessing my home server over HPNA to control home automation and other 'stuff'.... B'Dog 05-25-2001 13:19:51

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Greenspark, Beware, something doesn't add up here. Your link to argency.com specs says this thing weighs in at 3.2lbs, which seems about right for the form factor. However, UBid quotes the shipping weight at !!!40lbs.!!! They include the keyboard and mouse, but I don't think they're that damn heavy. So either UBid has a wrong model number, or they're whacking you bigtime on the shipping. Their shipping is $10 for FedEx Ground (cheapest option, less than UPS Ground), + $1.09/lb! Current bid to take one is $39, add shipping and a 'good deal' may not be so good after all.... B'Dog 05-25-2001 13:36:34

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile B'Dog, note that the part number listed on the uBid site and the one I provided are the same. Also note the 603ev is a PowerPC chip, which is what is in these thin clients (for the most part), and not in any PC300-looking desktop. If this thing weighs 40 lbs I'm the Queen of England. VNC will work over HPNA. 05-25-2001 14:03:38

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JimDiGriz Profile Guys: I am looking a ubid now. It's up to $79 and some moron is bidding $119. I looked up the part on the IBM web site after my post. It is the thin client network station. The PIC on the Ubid site is wrong and they are screwing people over on the shipping. It looked good at $19, but $119 + $50 shipping is way too much. Sorry for the early post. I should have waited until the bidding got futher along. :( 05-25-2001 18:34:40

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Greenspark, I'm humbled, your majesty <g>.... They're definitely whacking people on the shipping, and some fool bid it up too high to make it worthwhile anymore. Of course, you could buy it from perfdata.com for $999. Or maybe not.... B'Dog 05-26-2001 08:41:26

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile I got my Model 100 from compgeeks yesterday but haven't powered it up (don't have a monitor handy!). Anxious to hear Vivian's experience. The compgeeks device, while it appears brand-new, is oddly packaged and includes only a CD-R for docs (who knows who made it, it is not an IBM disk) and a power brick. On the CD-R is a 4Mb pdf file (that's all) with a 364 page manual in it (!) so I've only glanced thru it. It talks about needing to be "loaded" from a server, but it also mentions a built-in Browser and IP set-up screens, so...like I said hopefully Vivian has powered hers up and can shed more light than I can until I get a monitor to try (yes, all of my computers have built-in LCDS!). 05-26-2001 09:19:48

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile FYI, the 8362-A52 is down to $41 at HiTechCafe. I just ordered one. I don't know what I'll do with it since I haven't hooked up the 8361-100 I bought 9 months ago BTW, if you have kids, check out the Tiny Mouses in the bargain bin section. I bought a bunch of these some time ago. I've been giving them to the children I know (friends kids, family, classmates). The kids really like having a mouse that is sized for them. You don't have to tell anyone that you got them for a buck a piece. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 05-26-2001 09:23:04

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile I fired up the net station today, but I still don't have a server to connect to. It picks up DHCP fine from my network. I also opened it up and the good news is that there IS an IDE header. It's not populated and I'm not sure if it works, but it is there. I will post pictures tonight. I couldn't identify a couple connectors in there so maybe someone can help. I'll post the link when it's ready. Viv 05-26-2001 13:31:40

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Ok all, I have posted some pictures and links for the Net Station. You can see them at: http://msmicro.com/netstation/ If anyone wants something added, let me know. Viv 05-26-2001 23:31:41

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile Can some post the real shipping charge for the Net Station from HiTechCafe? Thanks. 05-27-2001 17:29:40

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile Well, this thread's been asleep for a while. Anyone manage to add an ide get a drive working in this thing? I'm certain it can be hooked into a network to be served programs off a server, but I'm curious if it can be run on its own (just a browser would be fine). 06-29-2001 12:01:50

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile I booted the unit up and it went through DHCP fine but then hung trying to find its software on the network. I haven't been able to find the IBM software yet so I don't have it working. Without it, the net station seems like a paperweight. Viv 06-29-2001 12:56:38

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 1 times) Greenspark Profile Well, I know the software is/was on the IBM site. Haven't looked for it yet. Here it is: http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/nc I tested the contacts for the IDE header, and the pins that are supposed to be putting out power are. However, it looks like there's a few chips right next to where the header goes that are missing and look like they might be needed. Also, note that this thing will boot off a PCMCIA drive. Not certain if it will do the same with a pcmcia flash card adapter and a flash card. 06-29-2001 15:59:29

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile I too am interested in this having gotten one a few mos. ago but have been busy w/other hacks esp. Tivo. Viv did a nice job w/the web page--maybe Greenspark you can show us the way w/this thing!! 07-02-2001 06:53:42

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Greenspark, Thanks for the link. I found the files (huge download! ~100meg). I'll try setting them up this week. My page didn't get transferred when I switched servers, but I'll that moved in the next couple days. Viv 07-02-2001 09:00:40

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Ok, my Net Station page is back. This should give everyone a good idea of what the guts look like. Let me know if there is anything I should add. http://msmicro.com/netstation/ Viv 07-02-2001 20:46:22

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Has anyone found the ThinClient Manger Software for WinNT/Win2k on IBM's website? If so, please provide a link. All I have been able to find are the 200MB of updates. It looks like the linux version is still available from the website if you register (I haven't tried this). I swear that the windows version used to be available. Has anyone priced the CD's from IBM? Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 07-02-2001 21:32:56

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile Viv, you don't have the PCMCIA slot? I have that, and it may be the saving grace for getting this thing to run standalone. If you note in your IDE pic, to the left there's some emtpy chip spots and if you follow the traces some lead right to the IDE header. Is what you download only an update, requiring a newer release of the NSM? I thought this link: http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/nc/webinstall/v2r1_b.shtml was a full product, not an upgrade. 07-03-2001 06:56:56

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile HiTechCafe was selling these IBM Java NICs for $39 last Friday and Saturday, so I ordered one. I cheched the AC adapter(02K6555 or 02K6543) on eBay, it sells around $25-$50. Yesterday I saw uBid had the IBM thin client N2200 WITH power cord, I got it for $89 and I cancelled my HiTechCafe's order this morning(fortunately before they ship, otherwise there is 30% restocking fee). Now if someone can tell me what I can do with it (or what I can tell my wife)... 07-03-2001 08:43:21

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile I'm really hoping that the 200 megs is the full version. I'll have a chance to play tonight. I've tried to get the CD from IBM, but they seem to have no idea what I'm talking about. It looks like the part number has been changed or removed. Nope, no PCMCIA on my machine. I noticed the two chips missing near the IDE header (also stamped NO POP). I had a feeling that it might not work. Viv 07-03-2001 09:42:03

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile FYI, the 8362-A52 has a SmartCard reader. The 8361-100 has a PCMCIA slot. Both of these machines are currently being sold at HiTechCafe. I've tried a few of the Thinkpad 16v 3.36a A/C adapters with the 8362-A52 and they work fine. I picked up two of these on eBay for less than $25.00 each. Try using the following two search strings with the "search both titles and descriptions" box checked to find the adapters on eBay (02k6543,83h6339,02k6699) and thinkpad adapter 3.36* Viv: I'm looking forward to your test results from the IBM download. I would try to load it myself but my server machine is in pieces . Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 07-03-2001 11:37:27

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile I have an 8362-A52 and it has the smartcard reader and the PCMCIA slot. Note it's a single slot that can take a double height card, like many of the older PCMCIA hard drives. I do not know if it was an option that some come with a PCMCIA and some don't. I'm in the process of downloading the NSM code I pointed to in a previous post. Will get back with any results. 07-03-2001 12:35:33

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile I unpacked it all and ran the install. It comes back with, "Windows NT Server 4.0 or Terminal Server Edition not installed". Looks like the newer NSM code may require that you're running on a server OS. This is with W2K workstation. Just noticed that the pubs do state that you must be running a server OS. I also have a faint recollection that the older NSM doesn't require a server OS. Will take more investigation to find out... 07-03-2001 13:16:21

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Well, I tried installing the software last night on my NT 4 Server box but I started getting registry errors. It seems to be the full version because it asks if it is an upgrade or complete install. I'll have to read a bit more to find out why I'm getting the errors. Viv 07-04-2001 11:44:22

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile FYI, $39 @ HiTechCafe today again. 07-06-2001 08:19:34

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile I have some interest in these devices.. but when I looked up the specs it said that it is 45dBa of noise!! I don't see any fans in it, so I don't believe that that noise estimate is acurate.. can someone verify for me?? Thanks Much.. 07-06-2001 09:28:32

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Programmer: Your spec is about 45dBa too high <g>. No fans, no noise. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 07-06-2001 15:34:49

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) JunkLeo Profile FYI $29 now 07-11-2001 19:31:45

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) javahack Profile Has anyone tried uploading a new JVM to it? If so, how? The hitechcafe notes said that it was JVM 1.1.8. The current spec is around 1.2 (aka Java2). Any ideas? 07-18-2001 07:35:39

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile OK I've got one.. now all I need to do is get the time to set it up.. I'll probably try to get it up using the basis of the stuff on http://www.ltsp.org If anyone has any other already set up way of bringing this up, let me know.. 07-18-2001 13:11:04

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) xiaoren Profile The device appears to be an IBM PPC-403GCX "oak" type board (similar to the tivo's). Bootroms do exist for this chip/board. Take a look at: http://ppcboot.sourceforge.net/ as well as http://ppcforth.sourceforge.net/. How to flash it? I don't know. The flash rom is soldered directly onto the board, but could be removed with some patience. Linux would definately run on it. As for the IDE, those missing chips look suspiciously like they could be basic 74xxx bus interfaces (as well as a crystal), something you might see on a older-style ISA card. My unit was a bare-bones unit... no L2 cache, and no PCMCIA option. I'm not sure if the PCMCIA logic is onboard or not but it might (given the number of pins it plugs into). For those who have the PCMCIA option, does it have any usefull logic at all, or is it just a direct connection ? If it's a diect connection, what are the pinouts? 07-24-2001 18:34:25

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Greenspark Profile PCMCIA option, does it have any usefull logic at all, or is it just a direct connection ? It's got a large chip on it (1"x1"): PCIbus [Texas Instruments Logo] PCI1131PDV EB 79N8T9J And some various other small components. I can take a pic if needed. 07-25-2001 04:24:38

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile as far as pushing this into a standalone box, the best route would be to get it to boot a linux image over the network first then flash from there. My intent with this is to set it up as a remote desktop/video player slaved off of my linux server. so a remote bootable linux is my goal. (not progressing towards it very fast, it's currently sitting atop my TV....) 07-25-2001 06:38:52

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile baby step 1: configure dchp server on linux host: Completed rather easy to do. I used the ISC DHCP which I had already installed for the dhcp client for my DSL line. The settings are pretty vanilla from the dhcp howto baby step 2: configure (and install) tftp, and find the best way to override the configuration for the boot image (hopefully completely on the host) baby step 3: build a ppclinux kernel baby step 4: build a filesystem and some apps 07-26-2001 06:16:18

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile OK I had no idea that tftp is included as part of inetd.. oh well I spent 3 hours trying to find it only to find that I have it installed already. anyway theres a line that needs to be in your inetd.conf .. what I'm including is the line for using the NS1000 with no configuration done on the box. (defaults.. everything is left blank) inetd.conf: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /QIBM then create a directory /QIBM/ProdData/NetworkStation/ and copy the contents of the prodbase directory in the winzip sfx nsmsetup.exe which you can download from http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/dl/nc/priv/netsta-rd_nsm (you may need to create an account to access this.. it's free and requires no real information.) note that this download is 90some MB At this point, if you've done the 3 requisite steps, your netstation will boot. 1) set up DHCP 2) enable TFTP to the QIBM directory 3) copy the contents of the prodbase directory to the proper path Note: It will probably help an awful lot if you have xdm set up (speciffically for xdmcp sessions). Some comments: The netstation seems REALLY slow when executing even simple things locally.. I'm not very sure why. I don't have xdm set up yet, so as yet all I have done is telnet to my server.. hopefully, I'll be there soon. An IOpener power supply works great in a pinch.. (just don't try to plug it in) I used too much force and damaged the power connector, then managed to damage something related to the machine switching on when I tried to desolder the connector, so I've got it connected in such a manner as it ignores the power switch and is on when plugged in. If anyone is interested in this very crude hack, let me know. (basically solder ground to ground and 19V to the side of the little 8 pin chip closest to the silkscreen that says 16V ) 07-27-2001 06:28:25

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) TimM Profile I found a link to a place that sell screen protectors pretty cheap for Stylistic 1200. http://www.vsps.com/comments.htm They work great, I am very satisfied with these screen protectors. Read their comments at. Tim 08-01-2001 09:38:00

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) preacher Profile | Email BAD NEWS! I had ordered one from HiTechCafe for $29, but they just called and told me they had to cancel all orders because the units were bad. Boy what a disappointment! Anybody have any other possible sources? 08-01-2001 14:47:55

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile >the units were bad... Wonder what this is about--it's hard to imagine a.) their truly being defective, and b.) that folks would notice and demand to return them causing them to decide not to sell them anymore. Anyway, I've got a 100 from compgeeks that's looking better all the time. They probably still have units to sell, which included a CD-R of docs and the power brick. No, I haven't powered mine up yet--the weather has been too nice to inspire me to play w/this. 08-01-2001 15:31:09

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) WanneBe Profile At least HiTech Cafe cancelled your order. The last time I ordered something, they sent me the wrong item and I was out their S&H cost and also my return shipping...Would never do business with them again. 08-01-2001 16:08:08

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) Programmer Profile I built a kernel for mine last night (finally), but it didn't boot.. ArRGH.. it says that the image does not contain support for the 8362, so I'm guessing that the kernel THEY release is not just a image to jump to. 08-28-2001 08:29:33

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) AudreyLover Profile | Email If anyone can find these, please email me! mailto:me@lonnypaul.com 09-01-2001 16:38:04

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) preacher Profile | Email Did anyone ever get their units running? How about making it a "stand-alone"? Been quiet for a while, and mine is gathering dust waiting for other projects to be done... 01-26-2002 00:22:10

RE:IBM THIN CLIENT NETWORK STATION -- $59 (modified 0 times) VivianC Profile Mine is back in it's box. I moved over the summer and the new house has taken most of my time. I'm hoping that once my basement is done, I can take another crack at it. VivC 01-28-2002 15:36:21

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