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New MessageGateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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No security on the box, just phillips screws. Contruction is good, but a little tighter inside than the IO. Looks like a 9.5mm drive will fit inside. There is a clearance problem between the IDE header and the modem, but I may be able to find another kind of connector. There is no question the same folks made this as the IOPENER.

Plugged in a standard IOPENER and a 4GB Fujitsu hard drive that boots on the IOPENER. At first it would not boot up. Then I pulled the 32meg flash disk and tried it again. Booted right up. This will run dos for sure, so it should run windows.

04-27-2001 16:29:31

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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Anyone Not Understanding Whatever We are talking About, Please Review This Tread :
I-Appliance BBS General / NEWS, Breaking NEWS / Gateway Internet Appliances Found on Trade Out

This Tread Here, is Part 2 of the one Linked Above !

04-27-2001 17:37:52

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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EXCELLENT !
So unplugging the CF just make it boot on the IDE port ? Maybe there's no need to get in the BIOS then.
What kind of cable did you use to connect the HD ? Standard 44 to 44 or an "iopener IDE cable" ?
Can you clarify what you booted into ?
04-27-2001 18:07:09

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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We Need a Name, I Vote, IOpener Version 10, which could have a Short Name of V10 or VX !!!

That leaves Plenty of Space still for the first Model I-Openers.

What do You Think ????? Like I Care
I don't really want to call them Gateways or GWs. I know Like You Care !!!

I go with Whatever BubbaDog56 Thinks is Best for the Group as a Whole.
He has enough Sress, with the Task WE have given Him.
I would get 2 @ $150 !!! I am in No Hurry, as I think I have 8 I-Openers currently, I need to Document !

Have a Great Evening !

04-27-2001 18:25:09

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost
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Progress sounds great. Noone has yet answered the post on the old thread, and i'm sure a few of us are curious:
Will the touchscreen work in a Windows environment(other than CE)?

Keep up the great work and thanks so much to B'DOG, Badflash, & especially GeekGranny for graciously getting the ball rolling on what we are all actually trying to get our hands on. I couldn't have turned it around so quickly without digging in a bit.

04-27-2001 18:48:23

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) Greenspark
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Hey! We didn't give B'Dog the stress - he volunteered!

Thanks for the update Flash. I wonder if the CF can be hot plugged once the machine is booting for using it for other things.

And as far as nicknames, I kinda like GIA (Gateway Internet Appliance).


Greenspark
04-27-2001 19:26:16

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) PaulzY
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would it be possible to leave the flash in boot wince and have access to the laptop hdd ?

also these ones for $225 do they have ethernet in them, if not would it be possible to put in a wireless network pcmia laptop card ?

04-27-2001 22:00:56

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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to boot into CE, you'd need a standalone CE no ? I understand these are pretty hard to com e by !
04-27-2001 22:56:03

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) shaxs
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Windows CE comes with the net appliance.
-Shaxs
04-27-2001 23:07:34

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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what's the net appliance ? iopener, ipaq - don't confuse it with the msn companion product
04-28-2001 00:22:59

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) Randy
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The Gateway Connected Touchpad does NOT use Windows CE at all, Shaxs. Instead, it uses a relatively unknown flavor of Linux with an otherwise unreleased version of AOL for Linux code-named "Gamera." One of the design goals for the GCT was to be Microsoft-free, and that objective was realized.

Randy

04-28-2001 01:41:29

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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The standard "flipped" Iopener cable is what I used. I think the issue with the flash disk is a master-slave thing. The compact flash is a standard plug in unit and comes out easily. You can probably get a much bigger capacity one.

I used a Fujitsu MHC2040AT 4GB hard drive.

Things I will be trying to do this weekend:
Saving the bios image
Figuring out how to mount the drive.
Loading Win98SE
Getting the modem working with the cable in place
Finding the right drivers
Master-slave experiments to get the flashdisk working.
See if the same 128M SODIMM that works in the IO works in these.
We will see if Windows finds the touch pad.

I have not attempted to get into setup. The BIOS has to support the IR keyboard or I would not be able to use this in dos with the compact flash remeoved.

I kinda like the name GCT myself.

04-28-2001 06:15:28

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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BadFlash,

Looks like you've been a busy boy with your new toy, eh? So far this is nothing but good news on the technical side, we'll eagerly await further updates.

All Co-Op Members,

I've been keeping busy also, here's the latest on purchase possibilities:

TradeOut seller has still not responded to bid or technical inquiries, we are still the sole bidder at this time. This would leave them holding over 800 units even if they met our $200 bid, you'd think that they'd be very interested in communicating with us. TradeOut has also not yet responded to the request for info on seller or completion of original 100 unit purchase. I will probably attempt to reach them by phone Monday and get some sort of resolution to these questions.

Gateway has said that they will include the Ethernet option in the $285 price. We are now working on including free shipping direct to individuals (rather than bulk to me and then reship to y'all). We are also working the possibility of individuals being able to pay Gateway directly for units, rather than going through the time and hassle of a co-op payment arrangement. Finally, I'm trying to get them to establish an 'institutional account' arrangement to allow future single unit purchases at the bulk purchase price.

So we still have some work to do on both potential purchase fronts, but the Gateway deal really looks good if we can get the free shipping, direct member payments and future discount purchases. The Ethernet option and free shipping would make up the price difference, and the possibility of future buys in single unit would be sweet.

Before anyone squawks too much about the cost, remember that this is a sure thing through Gateway and will get us units in our hands the fastest. And $285 is still over $200 less than their current retail pricing of $499.

In order to move quickly and start to get a final count, anyone who originally said they wanted one at $250 or $225 and wants to opt out of a possible deal with Gateway, let me know ASAP. I want to be able to give them a good number of actual purchases, I've told them that at $285, we'll probably drop down to about 50-65 units. Hopefully this won't impact their current $285 offer, I assured them that future sales will be forthcoming once we get our hands on these first units.

Everyone relax (except for Jack, of course) and have a great weekend....

B'Dog

04-28-2001 07:36:40

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) smigs
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Hey Bdog,
Good job and THANK YOU for moving the thread! Just to let you know I am in for at least 1 at $285. Probably cannot go over $300 though. I am curious what you hear from this trade out seller. So has the GW rep said where this guy got them from? Hopefully we can get this working! Excellent job so far!

smigs

04-28-2001 08:11:11

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) smee
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B'dog:
I guess things are looking pretty good. The Gateway deal sounds good to me if things work out. So, I'm still in for one, even at the direct from Gateway price.

Is there a better way to handle communicating this interest than filling this thread with lots of "me too" posts? Should there be separate technical information and ordering information threads? Or, would you rather be contacted directly?

04-28-2001 08:28:57

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) tanker
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I have a few questions. What are the potential advantages of the Gateway over the
IO? I know about the touch screen (if its Win9X compatible).
Is there any reason to believe that the screen is better quality than the IO? Processor upgrades? Faster than the IO?
At $200 it would be a no-brainer for me but at $285 I have to actually think about it (not used to doing that).
I do think that if the touch screen is not usable in Windows, it a tough sell.
I know that it may be a bit early in the "hack hunt" to answer some of these questions, but I thought I
would throw them out for discussion.
Thanks............
04-28-2001 08:32:02

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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Let's keep the "I still want/don't want" posts out of the thread to keep it clean. Send that stuff to me directly at BubbaDog56@ev1.net, I'll provide general counts during status updates. I've got everyone on a spreadsheet with levels of interest, quantities vs. costs, etcetera. If everyone emails me off-board regarding their current interest, I'll also have your email address for fast direct contact when a buy goes down. See ya....

B'Dog

04-28-2001 08:57:44

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Compact Flash Master/slave issue is confirmed. If the hard drive is jumpered as slave the unit boots up on the compact flash. I need to find a compatible IR keyboard that has real keys on it to get into the bios. I tried my IR keyboard for my BookPC but it didn't work. Once we get into setup we'll be able to change the boot sequence. There may be some way to jumper the flash disk for slave operations too. No biggie though. Looks like if you take out the modem there would be room for an on-board CD rom.
04-28-2001 09:21:02

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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thx for the update.
i don't think you told what you booted in on the hd, dos ?
if i understand properly if the hd is set to master it boots into the hd if not it boots in the cf, or do you have to disconnect the cf to make it boot into the hd regardless of jumper settings ?
04-28-2001 11:18:41

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) SpaceGhost
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B'Dog,
Don't know if its just me, but i tried to email you and it said your server rejected my email.
Question: If we have ethernet option installed, i assume we will be able to still use the internal modem?
Also, would the same drivers/setup technique be used on the gateway as in the i opener for those who have replaced their LCD with a touchscreen?
04-28-2001 11:25:37

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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Off topic, but I didn't know it was possible to put a touchscreen on the iopener ! I need to do a search in the bbs !
04-28-2001 11:34:11

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) nuc134r_m4n
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why does everybody say that there could be problem with the touchscreen of the GTC? it's not that hard to write new drivers for windoze if it doesnt support it right away. just get the driver developement kit and some info on the touchscreen and u are in business. tell me if u can get any info on the touchscreen and i can write a driver just for u ;) (win2k + win9x)

happy hacking,
:: nuc134r m4n ::

ps. does that thing have a lpt, or a lpt header? i am in progress of creating an mp3 hardware player/adapter that connects to the lpt just like lp3, but is cheaper of course (selfmade). (i ll do usb later...) circuit boards and software will be available later

04-28-2001 12:41:10

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) chaezewhiz
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Since this is linux, there should be a way to get that puppy into single user mode or runlevel 1. I need
to poke around the midori linux sites. Hopefully, BadFlash will be able to get the ir keyboard working.


Personally, I'll probably keep midori on it and just get rid of the AOheLl interface.

-chaeze


Miracle in a Can
04-28-2001 15:19:36

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) codeman
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ok guys i made a gateway/aol section
under other i appliance
so have at it


codeman

04-28-2001 16:22:06

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) shaxs
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Direct Quote from the tradeout website:

Transmeta 400mgz/32 ram/32 flash
· 10" Touchscreen color LCD display
· Wireless keyboard with shortcut/branding keys
· Built-in V.90/56KČ modem and HPNA
home phoneline networking (build to order Ethernet available as well)
· Stereo speakers and microphone
· Two USB ports
· Your Choice of operating system
(BE, mobile linux, windows CE)
· Gateway Connected Home Users Guide
· 1-Year Limited Warranty <br><br>
So, you can't get windows ce uh huh.... states so right here.

04-28-2001 18:55:27

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) Randy
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Shaxs, the Tradeout salesman is -- to be blunt -- wrong.

The GTC has never come "with a choice of operating systems" -- unless he himself is offering that choice personally. (In which case, I guess he is sitting at home with his thousand units reprogramming each one to order, ahem. Also, I wonder if he is paying the appropriate Be and Microsoft royalties, but that's another story.) Gateway only offers the unit with the Linux OS using AOL-Gamera with Netscape/Gecko. Windows CE is not an option, but don't take it so personally. Nobody's saying that you're wrong or at some fault somehow. We're all working together here to refine our collective knowledge for the common good. By the way, this isn't the first thing that Tradeout fellow has been wrong about.

Randy

04-28-2001 19:18:03

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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OK progress so far. 12.7mm Fujitsu 4GB hard drive boots to Win98SE in the box, closed up. There is space between the CPU and IDE header to mount the drive internally. I shaved the IDE connector on my grinder and got the modem back in. I think I've located the right drivers. Default windows does not know the screen, network, sound or touch screen. Standard SVGA drivers works with 16 colors only. I'm going to try the Aladdin TNT2 Drivers. Windows reports M5229 PCI bus, M1533 PCI-ISA bridge and one of the chips is marked M1535, so that is the driver that matches up.

Not impressed right now with the performance, but drivers may have a lot to do with it. Screen is much better than the IO, but it currently runs like a 200MHz IO. No cpu upgrades for this sucker. CPU is soldered in. No parallel port, no serial ports, no keyboard or mouse port except via the IR. 2 USB ports and a network connector. The keyboard has a little joystick device, but it is a little flakey. Don't try to use it while loading windows or you'll get stuck. You need to use the same method as the IO to load windows. Copy the cab files to the drive, copy mode.com to the drive and use the command mode co80 to set up the screen properly before you load windows or you'll be blind when scandisk runs.

If one was to load WinCE in the flash disk and jumper the drive as slave I'm sure you could access it. We will probably need a CMOS tweek program to change the boot sequence. The BIOS is Phoenix (yuk!) so there may not be a direct access to it even if we find a keyboard that talks to the machine. I now have a copy of the bios file, so there won't be any problem if it should get "updated". Anyone wants a copy, E-Mail me.

04-28-2001 19:39:16

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) shaxs
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Well,
I stand corrected. I also never felt attacked or at fault. I had also seen the choice of an OS on some other palce for the Gateway machine (probally eBay). So don't get me wrong, I still love you guys ;) Aso for the new information passed on by Jack, I think I will pass on the gateway now. Not being able to upgrade the chip bothers me. Plus, financially I probally shouldnt by this and I have a hacked v3 iOpener with touch screen so I am set to go for the time being.
-Shaxs
04-28-2001 20:47:21

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) PaulzY
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Great news BadFlash, also I dont know much wince but said there would be a good chance that it could recognise the hdd if you loaded it to the flash, would it be hard/easier to find drivers for ce ? (im not sure how it works but they usually use touch screens so it should recognise it right? hopefully)
04-28-2001 21:22:49

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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question remains, where are you going to find CE ?
great news about booting to win98se, is that trick you mention detailed anywhere ?
hopefully the drivers will boost performance. the 400mhz transmetta should do better than the 200mhz cyrix !
04-28-2001 22:55:16

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) Scan32
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The Transmeta Crusoe 400MHz TM3200 processor uses Code-Morphing software to do a good part of the processing, normally done by a CPU (hardware, so less power is used by the Crusoe processor, which would mean longer battery life for mobile devices. The Crusoe TM3200 only has a L1 Cache of 96kb and no L2 Cache. Although it is compatible with x86-based OS's (Windows,BeOS, etc) do not expect the same performance as a 400MHz Intel, Cyrix or AMD processor.
The Crusoe TM3200 CPU is intended for suitable Mobile OS's, like Mobile Linux, WinCE and BeIA (an embedded version of Be)which require less processing power.
04-29-2001 06:34:50

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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so CE might be the way to go then, but since i've never come across a "full standalone" version of CE, I don't how that could be done.
ne1 tried moboie linux or beia ?
04-29-2001 09:09:42

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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look at this
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=bnews&Post=391&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=yellow1.98856013769157

apart from the screen, it looks like it's the same cpu/chipset,etc..no ?

can you confirm badflash ?

if it's the case we might try to get the os's from fic !

04-29-2001 09:22:08

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) yellow1
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oops, looks like it's got a 3400 in there with 256kb L2 cache !
04-29-2001 09:26:50

New MessageRE:Gateway Connected Touch Pad Hacked (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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Folks,

Now that Ken has given us our own area, let's continue discussions there....

B'Dog

04-30-2001 07:03:08

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