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Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable?
Query about feasibility of hacking GPS unit

New MessageStreetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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I've noticed a significant quantity of the Rand-McNally Streetfinder GPS for Palm III showing up on EBay at starting bids of $20-$30. Obviously, there's been a significant closeout of these units, probably at $10-$20, and the Ebay traders are making a quick arbitrage.

My questions are:

1) Are these units NMEA compliant?

2) Do they have a serial RS-232 interface, preferably 3-wire (RxD, TxD, GND)?

3) Is there any show-stopper that prevents these units from being hacked into car-mounted or similar GPS moving-map systems using a Stylistic 1200, CF-01 or I-Opener?

08-26-2001 13:34:19

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Actially I have one of those that I have been experimenting with. It does have a all the standard rs232 port pins including a couple of the handshaking lines. I have th pinout at work, I will try to remember to post it Monday. I removed the palm connector and wired a db9 in it place and the unit worked great with teletype gps on my pocketpc. It is standard nmea output so it is compatible with virtually any gps program. It also comes with a nice cloth sack, a window mount and a built in rechargable battery. I am working on making a mount for one of my pocketpc machines.

PeteB

08-26-2001 17:32:15

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) cyberguy
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tcbordp,

I picked this at ubid.com for $29 + shipping. Could you please post the pin layout so that I can connect this to my laptop com port?
Thanks in advance !!

08-29-2001 17:42:47

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) Gish
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I'm also very very interested in the pin layout as well. I picked one of these units up from a friend and it would be a great thing to be able to hookup to me in car system.
08-30-2001 10:20:46

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Ok I haven't forgotten anyone but I have not found what I did with the thing yet. I was working on it just before I went on vacation
and I had a serial port hooked up to it and even used it with my Fujitsu Stylistic 1200 to make sure it worked. Then when I went on vacation I put it away, somewhere, and haven't done anything with it since. Now I just have to figure out where somewhere is. I will find it tonight and post the pitout I figured out tonight for sure.

PeteB

08-30-2001 14:00:47

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) redwood
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snicker, perhaps, you should have taken the co-ordinates of its location, :) then, you got use _another GPS to locate it, :)
08-30-2001 16:19:32

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Redwood:

I think you are right, I a having a heck of a time finding the stupid thing. Since I just got an Ipaq (pocketpc, not internet appliance) and I cen get connectors for it I wan to work on making a really portable gps out of it so I have to find it. I will tear apart my room this weekend and find the thing or else. Sorry this is taking so long.

For anyone that is really impatient you can easily figure out the pinout. All I did is search the web for the palm connector pinout and use that to figure out the standard PC rs232 pinout. From there I attached a cable and it worked. If I remember there were the standard data in, out and ground as well as a pair of hardware handshaking lines. You need the handshaking lines since I seem to remember that in my experimenting the unit turns itself on when the PC asserts one of the handshaking lines, CTS I think. It turns itself off automatically about 1 minute after this line is dropped. I had it working great with both my sytlistic 1200 and my casio E-125 Pocketpc and teletype GPS. I used a radio shack line monitor (little 25pin hood with male and female connectors and some LED's) to verify the handshaking and data lines. I was going to adapt it to the E-125 but the port connector is hard to find and the serial cable has a level shifter in line for TTL to rs232 voltage conversion. Also the screen on the E-215, while quite beautiful, doesn't work well outside. So I got a compaq ipaq 3635 which solves all these problems. Now just to find the stupid GPS.

PeteB

08-31-2001 15:57:36

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) dslrules
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hey - if you ever do find that thing, please let me know how you get it to work with the ipaq. I also have an IPAQ and would love to find an affordable GPS solution
09-01-2001 18:13:41

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Ok I finally found the stupid thing, it was in a bag that had slid down between two boxes. I think it was hiding from me.

Ok here is the pinout I determined from looking at a few diagrams on the net. Looking at the gps unit fromthe front without a palm in place I numbered the connector from left to right 1 -10. These are the connections I deduced.

1 - DSR (DTR on Palm) Dataset Ready
2 - ??? (Vcc on Palm)
3 - TD (RD on Palm) Transmit Data
4 - CTS (RTS on Palm) Clear To Send
5 - RD (TD on Palm) Receive Data
6 - RTS (CTS on Palm) Ready To Send
7 - ??? (Initiate Hotsync on Palm)
8 - ??? (Used by Modem on Palm)
9 - NC (NC on Palm) No Connection
10 - GND (GND on Palm) Ground

I removed the Palm connector and cleaned out the holes leaving a nice place to solder wires to a DB9 connector to test. To create a "standard" (DTE I think) rs232 connection on the GPS I wired a DB9 male connector to it using the following conections.

GPS Pin > DB9 Pin (Meaning)
1 > 6 (DSR)
3 > 3 (TD)
4 > 8 (CTS)
5 > 2 (RD)
6 > 7 (RTS)
10 > 5 (GND)

I think it is DSR that turns the GPS on. I did confirm that it goes off after a delay or about 30 - 60 seconds when the port it is plugged into goes off.

The serial port on the GPS is full rs232 voltage levels as it has a maxNNN chip inside it to do voltage level conversion. I had this connected to my Casio E-125 PocketPC via the casio serial sync cable, a gender changer and an off the shelf null modem adaptor. It worked great with Teletype GPS on the Casio. The casio serial sync cable has the voltage convertor in the cable so I had to use it to be safe. Since the Ipaq pocketpc has a standard rs232 level serial port (I am pretty sure) it will be even easier to use with this usit. I just received my ipaq serial port cable today from Hong Kong so I may get to test it tonight.

PeteB

09-04-2001 15:45:51

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Just a couple of additions.

First off you should probably use a FEMALE DB9 connector since this is DTE (?). Anyway a female with better match the male connector on your PC. I just used a male since I had a cable handy and it was male. I am going to make it a little more permanent and probalby put either a DB9 female or an RJ45 connector.

Second I didn't get a chance to try it on my Ipaq as I didn't have the proper gender changer (it is hiding too). I don't see why it wouldn't work on the ipaq since it worked on my e-125 just fine. I have since changed my ipaw to linux and am still expermenting with it. There is a port of the gsp support for linux to the ipaq linux. I will probably try that as soon as I find a binary as I don't have anything to cross compile on right now.

PeteB

09-06-2001 14:10:07

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) n6mod
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tcbordp-
You said you can get connectors for the iPaq. Can you share your source?

Thanks,
Z

09-10-2001 13:38:01

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) roswell979
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What kind of connector do you have for the e-125. I have that unit and I would love to see what I can do.
09-12-2001 06:02:56

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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Ok for the Ipaq PocketPC you can get a serial cable (not sync cable) from:

http://pc-mobile.net/ppc.htm

That is what I have as well as the usb sync/charge cable. both are quite nice and shipping was reasonable especially since they come from Hong Kong.

If all you want is the connector and a short cable to hard wire to the gps you can get that at:

http://www.gomadic.com/ipaqipaq.htm

I haven't tried them but I probably will just to have a couple of connectors available. I wish I could just get the connector though.

For the Casio E-125 you have to use the serial sync cable from Casio. I haven't seen any other cable that is available. I also have not seen anyone selling just the connector. There is also the issue that the E-125 serial port is not rs232 voltage compatible. The serial sync cable has a box in the middle that contains a maxim ttl-rs232 voltage convertor on a small circuit board. To use the serial sync cable with the gps you can either wire the gps backward, so to speak or use a null modem adaptor in between, that is what I did when I tried it. worked great except for the long serial sync cable and annoying box in the middle.

PeteB

09-12-2001 16:02:51

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) Silly
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I bought one. Wired it up! Thanks!

Problem: How long does it take to get a lock?

1. I am running the Streetfinder Program, and choosing NMEA (newer) version as my GPS unit. The "Rand-McNally" choice would not auto-configure.

When it does pick it up...It attempts to locate, but never does...Is there any way to test is the GPS is working? (I give up after a few minutes...should I wait?)

2. Which GPS version do you choose in the software?

3. Should I try a different software package...possible bug within the Streetfinder?

Thanks!

09-25-2001 07:43:32

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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When I tested mine with the Casio E-125 it locked on pretty fast. One this to not is taht virtually no GPS will
work indoors, you need to be outside with a clear view of the sky. They generally work well in the front window
of a car too. If streetfinder has a status display it should show the unit aquiring satellites and their signal
strength. Lots of trees overhead or being within a big city with tall buildings can effect aquisition as well.

Another thing, depending on the program you are using it can take up to 15 minutes to lock on the first time.
Check to see if the program allows you to set where you are at and if it sends this information to the GPS. If
the program can send the initial location to the GPS it will lock on much faster as it can calculate what
satellites are visible and skip those that are not. The program I used on my casio could do this and the unit
found its location in just about 5 minutes.

PeteB

09-26-2001 15:32:41

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) WeThree
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Hmm.. I got a couple of these units and wired one up as you suggested, but I'm getting the same results as Silly -- it sits on the locating screen forever.. mines been going for 20 minutes now. Any ideas?
12-05-2001 00:11:47

New MessageRE:Streetfinder GPS for Palm III hackable? (modified 0 times) tcbordp
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I was using Teletype GPS. There is an issue with what program you use. These types of GPS units do not store their
last location so the program has to supply it to them. If the program doesn't supply some sort of current location
it can take a long time to find the satellites. I have heard 30 minutes to 1 hour. Also all the time that it is
trying to find the satellites it has to have a clear view of the sky, as much sky as possible. Even trees can cause
the signal not to get through. Don't know if any of that helps.

PeteB

12-06-2001 18:38:11

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