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thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile just search on google for thin client , I found http://www.computer-show.com/Modern/items.asp?CartId=5086571ONFXC77&Cc=SYS05 the price is $49, AMDK2 300MHZ, 64 SDRAM, Ethernet, DOC and flash disk supported (optional). I saw on ebay by searching "thin client", the price is grazy... $99, grazy ebay hahaha. netier XL-1000 Pete 03-08-2002 00:06:27

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) cybercypher Profile | Email http://www.computer-show.com/Modern/items.asp?CartId=5086571ONFXC77&Cc=SYS05 ay carumba. 03-08-2002 02:22:44

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) DMasier Profile Someone help me out. Embedded NT? This is NT server with no GUI? I've never heard of that before. If you plug a monitor into it, what do you see? If I load my own OS on a HD and pop it in, will it boot on it? What would be a typical applicaton for a box like this? (I guess if I have this many questions, it's not for me GM 03-08-2002 04:57:54

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Looks like a capable little system, the ComputerShow website has links to the manufacturer's website and specs. Might be what I have been looking for for a dedicated MP3 player/X10 control system. Hell, for $49 I can't resist.... B'Dog 03-08-2002 06:22:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Be careful ordering from the website. They may have a bug in the checkout system. It seems the info from the last person to place an order is cached for the next person (including credit card info). The next person might be able to "order" something for the previous person (or worse). I would be very cautious about using a credit card. PayPal might be safe since the payment is arranged separately. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-08-2002 07:04:08

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) bmurphr1 Profile Yeah...I made the mistake of ordering from that website before, and I had to cancel my credit card because of it too, because someone had bought approx. $1200 worth of items. Buying with Paypal doesn't sound like it would hurt anything though, since Paypal is secured within it's own site. People will still be able to see your address though, so you might have a few psychos show up at your front door. Hey, at least you got yourself a new little toy! 03-08-2002 07:36:14

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) VansMan Profile | Email FYI - NT Embeded, does not mean that is is a NO-GUI NT. MS simply calls any software that they componentize 'Embedded' versions, they also have XP Embedded as well. 03-08-2002 07:44:10

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile petejengkol: Nice find! This thing is definitely worth $50. bmurphr1: Sorry to hear about your experience. Did computer-show make things right? If not, did the credit card company hold you liable for the charges? It seems like they would verify the shipping address to the CC billing address and eliminate most of the problems. Better yet, they should just fix their ordering system <g>. I also noticed that you can change the billing & shipping info then pay with PayPal. The credit card info from an previous purchase is still there. What a messed up system. Who knows... Those that place orders may end up getting a bunch of "free" stuff. AFAIK, if it is sent to you and you didn't order it, then it's yours. I've had this happen in the past. Sometimes the company will want the item back. I will usually accommodate them. In this case, I have insist that they send a carrier to pick up the item with a call-tag (i.e. prepaid return shipping). This way you don't have to worry about getting a refund for return shipping costs. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-08-2002 08:10:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) pappy3136 Profile | Email I just ordered one from these guys and received confirmation for two more orders afterwords. Upon checking back here, I see I am not alone. Fortunately, I opted for Paypal, which IS a nice touch to have for an online business. Let's keep eachother informed here on how we fare with getting our systems and cancelling erroneous orders. Tom 03-08-2002 08:47:31

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile A messed up order system for sure! I must have been there to order right after GLITCH. His name and address were right there! (BTW I'll be over for dinner on Sun) Ha Ha. Seems like PayPal is the only way to go. It looks like I could have changed the shipping addy and left the billing addy and type as the previous person. If they had used a CC it'd be all free from there. 03-08-2002 08:49:34

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) pappy3136 Profile | Email When you come over for dinner Sunday, bring a 12 pack of Sam Adams and nice bottle of Chianti to go with the Fava beans........ 03-08-2002 09:04:49

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) hwhack Profile Hi, A few questions for the first one who cracks one of these open: 1. What is the NIC (Ethernet) chip? Make and number? 2. Is the Flash ROM chip soldered in place, or is there a socket it is in? 3. How big is the DOC (DiskOnChip)? And is it socketed? If you don't know how big please state the M-xxxx number on top of it. Thanks! 03-08-2002 10:00:42

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) ttn1 Profile | Email These support PXE boot, which means they would make great LTSP(linux terminal server project) workstations. Would love to have a few, but must resist. 03-08-2002 10:05:43

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Gultig Profile I'm pretty sure the only reason you guys are "seeing" other customers is because you are using the same link to go to the site. [ CartId=5086571ONFXC77&Cc=SYS05 ] Most reputable sites would also use a cookie along with a url cartid. Also, most sites would have the cart time-out after a bit of inactivity. I went in through http://www.computer-show.com, searched for netier, checked out, and did not see any one else's info. YMMV 03-08-2002 10:07:28

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Gultig Profile Oops. The link should have been http://www.computer-show.com I hate it when that happens. 03-08-2002 10:08:55

RE:thin client (modified 1 times) smee Profile The problem with ordering is apparently because the link above contains a shopping cart id. Everybody keeps trying to put them in the same cart. If you go to http://www.computer-show.com and select computers -> thin clients you'll find the machine. I can't seem to create a link without a cart id. For technical information, there's a link on the page for this machine that will take you to the manufacturer's documentation: http://www.computer-show.com/drivers/systems/Netier.htm You can get the hardware manual: http://www.computer-show.com/drivers/systems/user%20guides/NXXLadmin.pdf I'm not entirely clear on which options are included in the computer-show machines. [Edited] Oh well, Gultig beat me to it. 03-08-2002 10:09:09

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I ended up calling computer-show.com directly (760-325-6495). I suspected that my order was FUBAR. The (very nice) sales guy confirmed it. It would be a good idea to do the same if you placed an order this morning. I'm guessing that my order and at least 10 others will be canceled based on my phone call. They would have been shipped/charged to some other unsuspecting person. In the case of using PayPal, the orders may be shipped to the wrong address. inx3us: Be sure to call first if you stop by (and bring beer). We don't answer the door if we don't recognize the person. It really frustrates the solicitors when they know someone is home and no one answers the door . Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-08-2002 11:08:57

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) bmurphr1 Profile Thankfully my situation wasn't too terrible. Mastercard charged me 50 bucks so they wouldn't bill me the 1200 bucks worth of stuff, but I talked to the head manager of computer-show.com and he sincerely apologized and offered me 250 bucks of instore credit, so I quit my ranting and accepted the bribe. He also assured me the webmaster would have the problem fixed within a day or two. BTW, my order was placed on 3/1, so the glitch has been in the system ever since. Caveat emptor. P.S. I have enough money now for 5 thin clients....I bet they'd look pretty cute standing beside one another. 03-08-2002 11:46:19

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile thanks Guys. for the info about CC Just Call about my order, and thanks, nobody uses my account..or may be nobody willing too. About the Ethernet -> realtek 8139 , many OS supported. DOC-> don't know about the size, but at least 16MB or bigger. from the documentation, it has ide header and jumpers for many configurations for Pentium MMX and AMD K2 and K3 (no plus). If you want to see on ebay, check #2006959051 with item number search.. Peace Pete 03-08-2002 12:38:36

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile I purchased one of these on eBay a few months ago. I will post some internal pics as soon as I get a chance. a few things to note... 44pin laptop HD header Nice internal bracket to attatch 9.5" or thicker HD to. I think I remeber a single ISA slot DOC chip (MD2201-D72) 72MB I think I have an AMD K62 500 running in mine, bumped it up via jumper settings. I cannot seem to find my notes on that. I will post that info as well. You will have to install a lasanga fan to cool it. There are some passwors you will need, The seller gave them to me..... default network login: user: skinnynt password: password windows setting password: netx bios password: fireport I hope this info helps, These are VERY cool machines for the price.... JohnQPyro 03-08-2002 12:38:58

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Couldn't resist, one's on the way. It's an exceptionally small box, about 9"x8"x1.5". Should be great for MP3, streaming audio and X10 control down in the living room. Still have a few K62+ chips that should hopefully work with this from my iO buys. Hmmm, now where to put that iNet box that I was going to use for that purpose.... B'Dog 03-08-2002 13:18:08

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile I just thought of another couple of things of note.... The XL-1000 comes with There is a connector on the Motherboard for an Internal Floppy (26pin I think) It requires a proprietary flat ribbon connector for hookup, and of course a Notebook Floppy. Unit had a 300hmz AMD processor standard, so many won't need to upgrade it.... Enjoy... JohnQPyro 03-08-2002 14:52:24

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) MOOKIE Profile The specs said the device has two usb ports. Just be aware that WinNT does NOT support USB. 03-08-2002 15:18:52

RE:thin client (modified 1 times) joemac Profile The proprietary cable is for a floppy connection, correct? The mini-IDE is standard 44 pin? 03-08-2002 16:14:44

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) joemac Profile I was thinking of something like this for a headless in-car mp3 box, but it says the external power supply is 50W? That's a lot. The IO/WebPlayer/etc. don't need power anywhere near that range, what is this thing doing? 03-08-2002 16:57:20

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) GWIZAH Profile | Email Must resist the...urge...to...purchase....uggh... so what are these things good for again? 03-08-2002 17:34:50

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile GWIZAH: What are they good for....? depleting you bank account, collecting dust, invoking "that" look from your significant other, maybe even invoke your SO to say "you bought another $^#^$@^ computer" I'm hoping that it can be configured as a totally silent, low power (consumption) machine to hook up to my main monitor for web surfing/email. I just added another 10K SCSI drive to my main machine and it makes my ears hurt. I want to be able to power down all the "big" machines and surf in stealth mode. Besides, all the other kids are doing it <g>. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-08-2002 18:05:25

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) shayde Profile | Email These look great... I have a few questions to folks who have gotten them: If they have a laptop mini-44pin header, can they boot 'anything' off them? I'm looking at these for a diskless client in a business environment, so I need to know if I can just say "Boot an image off *points* that tftp server", or is there flashram in it that I can configure for something else? I have absolutely no interest in running anything even remotely Microsoft on these. Second - anyone have a line on cheap small flatscreen monitors? I'm using iopeners now (about a dozen of them). Monitors for $100 or less in a frame, vga 800x600 or 1024x768 would be spiffy. ------- http://www.stonekeep.com 03-08-2002 20:52:39

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile yep they can be a diskless workstation since it has embedded nt os with tcp/ip and i do not know if cf is bootable,i oredered one yesterday and it's weird about the online ordering is if i complete 3 steps and when done it should have sent a confirmed email about the order automaticaly but it didn't? ive seen other online sites that doe that automatically and since their webpage was so poorly designed with ut order confirmation button at end of the 3 step ,instead on the last fill in it automaticaly completed hmmm.... im trying the machine out with my 128mb cf of linux 03-08-2002 22:50:21

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile So adding two more to my collection now: Biostar, I-Net and two of these....u know this board is addicting...Glitch my computer depo is now starting to resemble yours...bought another LCD yesterday for biscuit (active matrix)... 03-08-2002 23:43:13

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile >RE:thin client joemac >The proprietary cable is for a floppy connection, correct? >The mini-IDE is standard 44 pin? Yes, the proprietary cable is for an internal Notebook floppy. I have the floppy, but no appropriate cable. You would also require the pin-out. 44pin IDE Header onboard, Yes.... Re:shayde These units (Un-Modified) are diskless workstations, running Embedded WinNT. In there current configuration you would need to use a program called Rappaport to re-configure them to work with your network. I am getting this second hand, and I have'nt done it myself. Here is a link to the rappaport website for more info. http://www.wyse.com/products/software/rapport3.htm But for those of use wanting WinBlows, or better still, Linux treat it like an I-Opener install. As far as the DOC chip, I suppose you could install Win98Lite, or create a Disk Image, and flash the Chip. 03-09-2002 03:38:47

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) piper Profile Price increase today, $59. 03-09-2002 07:42:18

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile Here are all of the drivers I could find for the XL1000 http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jjqp/lst?&.dir=/Netier+XL-1000+Stuff&.src=bc&.view=l&.last=1 Enjoy... JohnQPyro 03-09-2002 15:11:19

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile it turns out the webpage coding of online ordering was faulty that it failed to process my order even it says completed the order so everyone better call 760-325-6495 and check the confirmation of the orders it may not be prosessed ,mine was on last friday i called and reordered it and got the order # boy what a screwed up programer of webpage! 03-11-2002 15:37:26

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile vwbug19: Did you get the confirmation email? Also was your original order listed when you checked your order status on their web page? I placed my order via their home page after searching for the netier and everything seemed to work perfectly. I got the confirmation email and today when I check my order status on their web page I see that it is listed as paid for ready to ship. I guess I will give them a day or two to ship it and if it still says ready to ship I will give them a call. Sorry to hear about your ordering problems. PeteB 03-11-2002 15:59:24

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile as at the moment of mar 12 at 10:16pm the computer-show.com site is down and can't be accessed damn! i needed to check order status 03-12-2002 20:28:10

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) TMR0 Profile Ok, let's see first a Scovery(gave to in-laws), then a Webpal(dust magnet), a Mailstation(caller id machine), EasySilver(commandeered by my daughter) and, gulp!, and now an XL-1000(mine-for now). Can't tell if it has shipped because the web site is down. Does any one know if the Compact Flash adapter option is installed in these for sure? The Hardware Administration Manual indicates that the unit can boot from the CF. 03-12-2002 22:23:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile did you look at your netier box? it's in thr rear of the box above the ports? these slot is cf slot ive seen the photo of rear in netier manual(pdf) 03-12-2002 23:09:45

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Got mine today. Just finished testing to make sure it was working correctly. So far, I am using it to write this. As a web station, it works just fine. I was kinda disappointed on the boot time, but then again, it is WinNT so I guess it is expected. Just had higher expectation since it was booting from a DOC. Anyway, this thing is silent, there is no moving parts at all. Just a big heatsink on the CPU. And just for those of you that are wondering, upon first boot up, it shows "House 2 Home" as the wallpaper. Guess where these came from ;) Anyway, login into the setting and made all the changes needed, changed the wallpaper and the thing makes a great web terminal. I might just keep it exactly as is for now. It is NT4+SP5 with IE5. The DOC is 72Meg, partition as 2 partitions. The first one is used for the OS, and it is compressed, might also explain the slowness. The second partition is about 1 Meg and is labeled DATA. All creation of client connection info is stored on this second partition. There is a RAM drive that is 4 Meg in size. This is used to store the Temporary Internet Files. These do NOT have the hardware for the CF installed. There is a removable plate in the back, but nothing inside. Doesn't mean it can't be added, but just not installed by default. I will probablly keep one the way it is and install Linux on the other one to test. 72 Megs is a good size for Linux :) If I missed anything, just let me know and I will add the info. kNiTe-oWl 03-13-2002 00:26:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile 72meg doc is cool! considering the doc is worth more than the sale price of entire computer :) a real bargain!!! and dang! cd hardware option not there i was hoping to use my 128mb cf card to boot linux :( the computer-show.com site is back up :) and im waiting for mine ,as for boot time it is because of amd k6-2 300mhz you can upgreade the cpu to 550mhz with 128mb ram, i had a pc with amd k6-2 3d now 350mhz which is a bit faster than it 03-13-2002 03:50:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile good news! it has mpeg decoder chip and dvd capable and the ide is udma33 only ,no udma66 :( i checked the netier adimin manual pdf for specs,it can take either 144pin doc or 32pin doc! and as for cf slot it is a daughtercard i thing plug in a riser card? and the riser slot is 1xpci/isa (used on xl2000) so.... if anyone knows where to find the cf option let us know 03-13-2002 04:12:31

Pics on Internals (modified 0 times) joemac Profile Anyone have pictures of the internals of this thing yet? 03-13-2002 08:02:35

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) pappy3136 Profile | Email I just took a picture of mine. They sent a keyboard and Dell 2 button mouse with it. Packaged decently, but not the greatest. http://members.localnet.com/~trpapura/XL1000MB.jpg 03-14-2002 19:10:56

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile so the cf option plugs into the 44pin ide header probably or it might be into the riser expansion slot? and from your picture the doc is 32pin type and i see empty pads for 144pin doc card and above that is a metal chassis frame i thing is a hard drive or floppy drive mount? this model is XL1000 but if you had XL2000 you get cd drive bay and the height of the case is bit thicker to adomcate the riser pci/isa slot and cd bay 03-14-2002 20:36:43

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile Here are a few internal shots of my XL1000 Still need to disasemble it to get jumper pics. Running at 533mhz, Very quite...... http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/jjqp/lst?&.dir=/Netier+XL-1000+Stuff&.src=bc&.view=l&.last=1 03-14-2002 21:29:59

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile XL-1000 is a nice thin computer. I can map from XP share folder and samba . and put some files to a directory on my linux file-server(samba, and NFS) for XL-1000. run any program through network. and the heat from processor is fair enough. I upgraded to K6-2 400MHZ with FSB 100 MHZ and 4X multiplier, for the testing, I'm running IE for browsing, and winamp for playing mp3. no interruption or choking.... this is a real PC though, mean a thin PC. Thinking to install free xserver for windows (I have old mix twm xserver, that's free). and we can set display res to 1024X768 with 85Hz res.. pretty good .. Peace Pete 03-14-2002 23:57:21

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Got mine yesterday, quite a little deal for the price. It came with the Netier keyboard and a new MS Intellipoint Scroll Mouse, nice touch. There was a small bend in the rear of the case, easily straightened out. Hooked up a drive no problemo, just to load stuff for now. I'm toying with the idea of putting 98Lite on the DOC along with a stripped version of Winamp, a browser and the drivers to hook it to my HomeRF network. I don't think I can get HomeSeer (X-10 control program) stripped enough to fit on the DOC, so may have to put in a permanent HD or find a smaller home automation program. Anyone else running X-10, let me know what you use.... B'Dog P.S. - Pete, are you running at 400 w/just stock heatsink? I want to drop a K6-2+/450 in here w/o fan if at all possible. 03-15-2002 05:56:28

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile B'Dog just a passive cooling , which come with XL1000. replacing processor, set jumpers and put it the almunium heatsink back. 03-15-2002 08:54:12

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) pappy3136 Profile | Email I am considering putting Win98 Lite on the DOC on mine. What would be the easiest way to do so???? I am downloading the image as I write this.... 03-15-2002 09:09:37

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile <B'Dog> For Homeseer currently running on a PPRO333 w/256 Megs of memory, 6 Gig HD. Have it connected to X-10 interface, MR-26 & TEMP05. Using MS ME currently Rev33 of HS. 5.1 of SAPI & AT&T TTS. Also use another PPRO333 as a WEB cam server currently with two outside Cams. This box is also my Timesync box for home network getting timesync from GPS. Building (testing right now) an EasyNow with a K-3 Plus running at 600Mhz with 256Megs/6Gig HD for new legacy free HS box. To get to HS mostly use EPODS/Biscuit w/LCD / Fujitsu 510 or Panasonic CF-01. Got my two thin clients today...nice small size. What;s the BIOS pw? 03-15-2002 16:22:15

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile if you looking for bios pw ,scrool up to area of netier info page :),, stupid fed-ex screwed up my netier package delivery supposed to arrive at my doorstep march 15th and i called to find out that it was missrouted by some stupid guy with bad eyes so ill have to wait till monday! 03-15-2002 18:32:03

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Hear that? Me neither. I'm posting from my Netier. The silence of the machine is almost spooky. I think that I can get used to this . The speed doesn't seem too bad for web surfing (even with the K6-2-300). I can't wait to put a faster CPU in it. A new OS load will also be nice. I need Opera and wheel mouse support. I plan on loading Win98 on this (with the goodies) and pare it down with Win98lite. I hope it can be made small enough to fit on the DOC. BTW, you can disable Network Booting in the BIOS to speed up the boot time a bit. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-15-2002 20:04:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) epodfreak Profile Glitch, Can you steer me in the right direction on loading the os onto the DOC? I have 98lite and all flavors of Windows and I'd sure like to learn how to do this. Thanks! If I can learn how to load the DOC, I'm going to play with XPembedded on my 2nd machine! (too much fun) -Epodfreak 03-16-2002 01:39:00

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Runs nice with current os. Would like to add a HD next. Dumb question: Where do I find a 44-Pin laptop IDE cable? I have never seen one of those. 03-16-2002 05:57:00

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Answered my own question. Another question though...what length is optimal for 44 Pin cable? 03-16-2002 06:15:14

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile epodfreak: I've never tried Win98lite before so I can't give you any advice on that right now. I like the Netier enough to send it to the top of my computer TODO list. Hopefully I can get something running this weekend. I know that others on this board have already made Win98lite installs for the Webplayers. There are probably instructions in that forum. The webplayer distribution fits on a 48MB DOC. I'm pretty confident that a nice software set will fit on the 72MB Netier DOC. I plan on using a laptop CDROM to do the install to a laptop harddrive. A 44-to-40 pin adapter and a regular CDROM and harddrive could also be used. I'll install the software and then pare it down to 72MB. The culling process will be a combination of uninstalling components and deleting what is not necessary to run. Win98lite (the program), TweakUI and other programs are useful for this. The rest will be trial and error. I will use DriveImage (or Ghost) to make incremental backups. A multiboot arrangement (SystemCommander) will help streamline the backup process. Once I get the image to where I want it to be I'll move it to the DOC. At least that's my plan . PeteC: IDE cable specs: Total cable length: 10" to 18" Length between controller and first drive: 5" to 12" Length between drives: 5" to 6" I've pushed this spec on both the long and short lengths. I've sucessfully used cables as short as 1.5" and as long as 24". I've had problems with out-of-spec long cables. I've never had problems with out-of-spec short cables. Maybe I've just been lucky. YMMV. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-16-2002 07:35:48

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) smee Profile People who have one of these: Have you been able to change the Workgroup name for the network? If so, how? It won't let me change it (or switch to a domain, if I want to). 03-16-2002 11:12:32

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile I have a same question too. 03-16-2002 11:26:19

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) epodfreak Profile Thanks Glitch, That's the exact info I was looking for. BTW, are you the same Glitch that is into doing the NT-150 EMU thing? If so, I'm a coworker with "Sonartech" on that forum. We've designed quite a few things for that system including an internal BS fix. -Epodfreak 03-16-2002 12:36:01

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro Profile epodfreak, smee, & petejengkol Just referencing an erlier post. I have'nt needed to do whatyour asking since I opted for the HD install. I checked the wyse.com website and found this info. >These units (Un-Modified) are diskless workstations, running Embedded >WinNT. In there current configuration you would need to use a program >called Rappaport to re-configure them to work with your network. I am >getting this second hand, and I have'nt done it myself. Here is a link >to the rappaport website for more info. http://www.wyse.com/products/software/rapport3.htm I hope we find a better solution..... JohnQPyro 03-16-2002 14:02:46

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) dawson Profile | Email Hmmm looks like the XL-1000 has gone up to $59 now. These might make for nice WinVu emulation systems for Dish/Bev. Has anyone tried running WinVu on win98lite? dawson 03-17-2002 01:37:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I have been able to get the Win98lite (micro) running on the Netier's DOC. It seems to boot faster than the embeddedNT. I still need to get the stopwatch and time it. There is still about 30MB left for programs/files (or 60MB compressed). This will be plenty for what I want it to do. The only problem with running from the DOC is that it runs in compatibility mode. I think that this keeps the system from suspending properly. The machine will suspend properly when a hard drive is used (& DOC disabled). epodfreak: Yes, I've also been playing with the NT-150 and I use the same nym in the stbhackers forum. dawson: The $59 price increase happened the day after the deal was reported here. The company actually seemed to be paying attention. They sold over half of their stock of these in one day. I think that most companies wouldn't have noticed that demand was exceeding supply until it was too late. The significant thing is that they are almost sold out (only 10 in stock today). I think the first wave is over (i.e. those who jump first and think later). The second wave will be short (i.e. those who wait to see if they are useful before they buy one). IMHO, the third wave will start soon (i.e. the machine is proved useful and you'll have to pay top dollar on eBay if you want one). I also think that the fourth wave will happen sooner than machines like the i-Opener & ePods (i.e. the novelty of the machine wears off and people sell them cheap on eBay). Of course, a bunch more of these could come off lease and disrupt the whole process <g>. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-17-2002 11:46:58

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile Whoo! Whoo! i had bought that during first wave without though of it later(i ordered it when it was 84 left :) ) i hope this monday it will be on my doorstep! 03-17-2002 12:51:43

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Hmmm, maybe better get one more. Don't know why but probably should <g>. Got the first one up and running with a 2GB laptop drive and 98SE, gonna have to do the HD if I want to use it for home automation along with streaming audio in the entertainment center. Dropped a K6-III+/450 in it this morning and am running about 145F with the case off and no active cooling. Installed a Symphony HomeRF USB adapter and it's streaming off the network now. Cycling SiSoft Sandra Burn-In on the CPU and memory for 50 loops in 'high stress' mode to see if she'll hold up (I need more power Scotty!). If it holds, I'll button it up and see how much hotter it gets closed in. Running this thing at 450MHz without a fan would be sweeeet. Guess I'll start looking for a VGA to S-Video converter to hook up to the TV.... B'Dog 03-17-2002 13:28:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile <BubbaDog56> Where did you get your KIII Plus? I bought one a while ago (Ebay) paying too much for it and would like to buy a couple of more for these boxes.... 03-17-2002 13:31:27

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Pete, This is one I bought a while back, don't remember where or how much. Found it when I was digging through my iO parts bag, also have a K6-II+/450 that I'm going to put in the kitchen iO "one of these days". Check Pricewatch and see if there's any around. I know I got the K6-II+/450 at Tiger quite a while back at a pretty good price.... B'Dog P.S. - SiSoft is at cycle 25 and this little puppy is going strong! 03-17-2002 13:44:27

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) pappy3136 Profile | Email I found a VGA to TV converter for under $100 go to: http://store.yahoo.com/cyberex/index.html It's called the ADS TV Elite XGA Might be good for our XL-1000 on a TV 03-17-2002 15:33:13

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Freakin Profile Whew... just grabbed the last two... where can i d/l a copy of win98lite? Freakin 03-17-2002 19:23:12

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile http://www.win98lite.net Don't go to the .com site, they're ripoffs trying to sell you something they don't have the rights to sell.... B'Dog P.S. - I picked up a TVGold XVGA scan converter at C-USA today, should have it hooked up tomorrow with results to be posted. 03-17-2002 19:46:45

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Ooops, my bad. Try http://www.98lite.net instead.... B'Dog 03-17-2002 19:49:19

RE:thin client (modified 2 times) Kudzu Profile Where did you get your KIII Plus? I bought one a while ago (Ebay) paying too much for it and would like to buy a couple of more for these boxes.... How much did you pay? 100+? Trying to get a feel for what the group would consider reasonable. Kudzu 03-17-2002 22:29:47

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile <<BubbaDog56>> Purchased KIII Plus for around 80. Using it in my Easynow with a loud cooling fan as it runs pretty hot at 600Mhz. Got a couple of KII 450's at 30 but they are not as fast. Is stock cooling heatsink ok? Off subject.. trying to set up EasyNow as HS box and have noticed problems with using same manufacturer USB-RS232 converters. Need 3 RS-232 ports and so far have 2 working using 2 different converters. Any recomendations? 03-18-2002 05:37:26

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Pete, After running it all day with streaming audio and multiple Media Player windows open, Sandra showed a CPU temp of 152F with the case off. I'm going to close it up tonight and see how much it goes up, don't know what I can consider safe for this CPU.... B'Dog 03-18-2002 05:48:02

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) smee Profile PeteC: I was using an EasyNow for my HS box until I switched over to an INet from MicroCenter. I was running 98 on the EasyNow and had stability problems - something started to eat memory at a rapid rate if I left it on for more than a day or two. I switched to XP Home on the INet and it's much more stable. Anyway... I've been using a RocketPort USB Serial from Comtrol. It's a box with 4 serial ports. I had no problems getting it up and running with my EasyNow under 98. I've had some problems under XP, however. I haven't determined whether they're caused by XP (beta drivers), not enough power from the port, etc. It will run for days with no problem and then just stop (and the LED on my MR26 goes out). Sometimes it will only run for an hour. After a reboot, everything is fine. I didn't have any of these problems running on the other two machines I have used it with (both 98, neither running for more than a day or two without reboot). 03-18-2002 05:50:25

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) ameyerstein Profile Could someone with one of these machines tell me if it can handle any of the following functions OUT OF THE BOX: streaming audio, streaming video, running Homeseer, playing MP3s stored on a networked computer? Thanks. 03-18-2002 08:44:06

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile Hi... if somebody interested in AMD K6-3+ 450 for $42 with S/H around 11 bucks. check www.upgrade-solution.com Peace Pete 03-18-2002 11:56:19

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile whoo! my netier came in few mins ago! and im still waiting for it to warm up to room temp before powering it up(rule of thumb, NEVER power up an ice cold electronic stuffs as it can damage chips from rapid warming(same thing when you put hot glass under cold water and vice versa! ) can't wait to dolly the doc image to a file for back up and ina few week im getting an evalation copy of winxp embedded cd to test this baby out with usb support ,ironicly that on side of the cover the date of manufactuer is feb 2001 this put netier at 1 year old 03-18-2002 13:34:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile <BubbaDog56>What's an optimal running temp for the KIII Plus...and isn't 150 F plus a little bit high? I have kept the I-Net as a Windows XP playbox (put a 30 gig/650Mhz/256Meg into it)...been testing the Biostar by running it now for over a week although don't have anything connected to it but running HS....not breaking yet...seems stable....so far but need to connect 4 serial devices ....want to add a watchdog time in addition to X-10, MR26, Temp05 to it....thanks for the suggestion of the RocketPort USB Serial from Comtrol...what should I expect to pay for this box? Thanks again... 03-18-2002 14:05:22

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile for those netier owners who have trouble connecting via ethernet to a router or dsl/cable modem ,please go in control panel and go to network icon and change the ip setting to "obtian by dhcp" and go to internet options ,change tab to connection and hit the lan setting button and uncheck proxy setting off unless you are on proxy and close it and restart and you're happy surfing the net! mine was hooked up to a d-link di-704 router to a 56k dial up modem :) 03-18-2002 14:33:23

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Pete, Depending on where you look the max temp for the K6-III+ is listed at either 145F or 165F. When I put the case back on I'm pretty sure I'll be tapping on the 165F side, and this is from wherever the mobo monitors the temp, not the CPU itself. I'm thinking of lapping the top of the CPU and bottom of heatsink, and using Artic Silver instead of the cheapo silicone grease that I currently have. I'm also going to load CPUIdle and see how much it helps. I reeealy don't want to drop a fan in this thing if I can avoid it. If not, about the only thing that will fit is a Lasagna. I don't know if the 12v Lasagna will run on 7v, but that would bring the noise way down.... B'Dog 03-18-2002 14:58:07

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Kudzu Profile Hi... if somebody interested in AMD K6-3+ 450 for $42 with S/H around 11 bucks. check www.upgrade-solution.com LoL, you found my supplier. Unfortunately, they do limit you to two per order, but the chip I received earlier today works pretty well, overclocking to 600 with active cooling and the dc-dc mod. I may try one with the netier once it's delivered. 03-18-2002 17:38:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Dawson, That's exactly why I bought this, for WinVu! I just received mine today. eBay it for only $42.50. Will start working on a image for it. Maybe just use WinVu as the shell. I'm using a fairly quiet laptop now, but even the littlest bit of noise from the hd and fan is noticeable when I'm watching/testing ;) TV. Didn't want to bring this topic into this forum, but oh well, you started it. :) Keep me posted. -Sniff 03-18-2002 19:43:27

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) makehell Profile Just got mine today. Found that all the passwords as posted here were the same except for the bios password. I could not find Jumper 24 to reset the CMOS as listed in the Admin PDF , so I removed the battery for about a minute and got in without a password. One caveat, I had a spare 64MB-PC100 Dimm and it works, but its has 8 chips vertically oriented on the Dimm board and its too tall. It is 1-3/8" high, while the original Dimm is only 3/4" high with 4 chips horizontal. So be careful when odering memory upgrades. I noted on the NT desktop a small selection rectangle in the center of the screen. Turns out to be "My Computer" with a space for a name and no icon. Peterr 03-18-2002 21:24:25

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile J24 is under the metal frame near the battery. My bios password was different too but j24 took care of that. This box is going to work perfectly for me as a NAS (network attached storage) server. If I get energetic I might even put it in a different box so I can include a floppy and cdrom, wish someone was unloading the xl-2000 model with these already attached. I replaced a loud machine running as my NAT, NAS and print server as well as an access point with a SIEMENS Speedstream that does almost all of this in 1/10 the space and no noise so now I am spoiled. Just needed something for storage and the occasional cdrom access (mostly small laptop and pen based systems on the wireless lan) and this fits the bill perfectly. PeteB 03-18-2002 21:38:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Woohoo, just figured out how to get into the "C:\" drive. WinVu is up and running. No need for Rapport, Winlite98. I transfered (through the network) all necessary dll files into the \Windows\System folder. I placed at least 1.7MB of data into the DOC. Anyone knows how much space this embedded NT OS takes? 03-19-2002 01:15:34

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) stretch Profile | Email For those who need to know, the bios password is case sensitive. In my case the password was Fireport the (F) is uppercase. Worked first try, of course I changed it right away.Now for some help, how does one go about flashing the doc with a new os ? 03-19-2002 01:18:02

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile In case anyone is interested here is the official support page for the XL-1000. http://www.wyse.com/serviceandsupport/netier/support/support_2b_4.htm Seems that wyse must have bought netier. There is also an SL line that is very similar but with less powerful processors options. You can find it by backing up a little from the above to the discontinued thin clients page. PeteB 03-19-2002 01:57:53

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile good thing that the winnt image has the tweak ui in control panel! i was able to enable few items such as network neigborhood :) about logon at boot time the user and pwd are in tweak ui section 03-19-2002 03:50:26

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile stretch: I put 98lite (micro) on the Netier by first adding a hard drive and CDROM. The hard drive provides a place to set up the OS which is free from space restrictions. The CDROM allows a Win98 CD to be booted to a shell prompt and makes it easy to transfer files. The CDROM is not needed after networking is running. Once the OS was mostly setup, I compressed it using Ghost and transfered it to the DOC. The hard drive can be removed after the DOC is running. Every so often I reinstall the hard drive and use Ghost to backup the DOC. I very close to having the system tweaked to just the way I want it. I've spent more time building custom startup/shutdown screens than I did to get the rest up and running. I still need to setup an RAMDISK for webpage caching and such. Once I get the first machine perfect, I'll ghost the DOC and load the image on my other Netiers. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-19-2002 07:07:47

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Correction... Once the OS was mostly setup, I compressed it using Ghost and transfered it to the DOC. should have been... Once the OS was mostly setup, I compressed the disk using the Windows disk compression utility. I then used Ghost to image the disk and transfer it to the DOC Quality is job 1.1 Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-19-2002 07:13:54

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) skydiver Profile 03/19/02 8:45p.m. Rapport may all ready be loaded on this box. Get into TweakUI, choose the desktop tab, click the 'Create as File' button. A browser window pops up that lets you see the C: drive. [skinnynt(C:)] C:\Programs Files\Rapport\Rapport.exe <--in the same directory is the Version Information program from the Start button. If I could just figure out how to create a short cut and place it on the desktop. Later....... Got to explain to the wife why I got another toy without getting rid of the WebPlayer, WebPal, & 2 IOs. SkyDiver 03-19-2002 18:59:06

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) skydiver Profile 03/19/02 10:10p.m. I guess I posted to fast. In TweakUi check the box so the Network Neighbor icon shows on the desktop. Double click it. Go to: C:\Winnt\profiles\All Users\Stat Menu and click Windows NT Explorer.ink Rapport.exe starts a DOS box, and the cursor blinks at you. Guess you have to log on as Administrator to get the apps highlited in blue to work. Anyone know how to hack the SAM file? SkyDiver Not getting any to nite :( 03-19-2002 20:18:31

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile as of the moment ,the computer-show.com website in the computer/thinclient link is gone ,that mean netieer is all sold out hmmm... i did see somewhere a posting about winterm for 49.00 but i can't find that link? 03-20-2002 05:03:08

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Rapport.exe is on the workstation, but it is only the workstation piece. You will still need the server part to do any management. I got the trial version to work and it is not too bad. Except for the installation process, it needs all sorts of requirements. Once installed, you will need to upgrade the workstaion with the update before any of the changes will take effect. Everything is done with scripts, adding icons to the desktop. Adding programs, removing programs. They give some examples. As I read through the help files, it seems that if you want anything major, you still need to contract out to get the scripts created. On a side note, I have been able to use the Rapport software to remote boot my workstations to DOS with network drivers so that I can run the DOC software on it to upgrade it. Next is to downgrade the CPU to a P75 or something else, maybe a Rise chip (looking for a low power/heat device) and install a Linux kernel with DOC support to put on it for use as a Firewall/Router. 03-20-2002 11:14:23

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Have anybody been able to modify the Registry on this thing? I tried to use Policy Editor to remove some of those annoying policies but Poledit just freezes up when I save. I tried regedit.exe and of course access denied. btw I "let the smoke out" <Glitch p. 1> of this machine. Bad soldering work on a null modem cable that I made. Anyone willing to sell yours at cost? 03-20-2002 12:43:56

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile kNiTe_oWl: Does the Rapport server software give you any clue about the NT administrator password? Sniff: I'm guessing that you don't have enough rights to make any significant changes. I'm going to try resetting the password using Winternal Locksmith and see if this gets me further with the internal software. FYI, my 98lite machine is working great. The 98lite seems to be the path of least resistance to get these up and running quickly. I eventually want to convert these back to true thin clients. I'm not sure if a management system like Rapport is really necessry for a home network. It seems like overkill if you have less than 10 clients. However, it does look like something that would be fun to learn about. I didn't get the link for the 30-day trial software. I did sign up to get the 3.02 upgrade software. The direct link for this is http://www.wyse.com/rapport/rapport302.exe . It is a 20MB download. Can anyone confirm if this is the same as the 30-day trial? Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-20-2002 14:18:42

good job glitch! (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- You've already completed what I've been waiting on a cable to start working on. Any chance you'd send me a ghost of your tweaked 98micro image that's running off the DOC and perhaps some info on the steps you went thru to make it all work right? I got my IDE cables today, and my buddies and I are dying to start running alternative OSs on the NeTiers. Personally, I can't wait to turn this little beauty into the ultimate car MP3/GPS touchscreen computer. Who's with me? Also, anyone who is working on a QNX image for this baby - my friend is all about getting his netier to look and act like his audrey. Any other hackers out there on the same track? this is my first post on this board, although I've been lurking for probably about a year. This board is the shiz for all us gadget junkies out there! Am I right people? 03-20-2002 15:15:13

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) epodfreak Profile I'd like to second that Glitch! I already have the registered version of 98lite, and I'd love a copy of the image for the DOC and info on how you made it. Maybe a post to your website if posting here would be inconvienient. Thanks.... Epodfreak 03-20-2002 21:08:05

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Glitch, Sad to say, it doesn't give any clues as to the admin password. The Rapport software also includes VNC support to connect to the clients, but I was not able to find the password for that either. Will have to keep diging. Don't know about the upgrade, but the 30 day trial is the same as the release. Just need the sales key (serial number). 03-20-2002 22:33:56

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Sniff, Sorry to hear that. Those darn smoke, they try so hard to get out. I have never seen a null modem adaptor do that before. Have you looked at repairing the unit, or is it a major item that went out? 03-20-2002 22:38:08

RE:thin client heaven (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile I spoke too soon. Since it was late last night and with the unbearable smell I decided to place my Netier in the vented laundry room and decided to look at it today. Well, opened it up and didn't see any dark spots. Plugged it in and gave the power button a try and BAM, the Netier logo. Apparently only my serial port got fried. Geez it must have required a lot of smoke power to power that little port. hehe :) btw it was a home-made null modem cable for the WinVu emulation program...bad soldering work. Are there such things as a USB to serial port adapter out there? Maybe I'll just have to buy another one. :)) Anybody interested in one of these; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2009894582 ? It might have the same spec as the Netier except for one thing, PCMCIA support! Wireless anybody? The auction is for a lot of four and the bid is only at $105 now. Anybody want to split this? I just want one. 03-21-2002 02:19:45

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Shoot, here's the link again http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2009894582 It is the WYSE Winterm 8360 SE. Running Windows NT Embedded. PCMCIA support. 03-21-2002 02:23:32

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Sniff, Palm makes a USB to serial adapter that I have used on the iOpener, I think it was about $15. You can find them on eBay also, but just as cheap to buy local after you figure the shiiping costs and hassle of bidding.... B'Dog 03-21-2002 06:14:05

Help me please? (modified 0 times) Jester Profile How can I get power to my laptop hard drive? I have a 44-pin IDE cable, but that doesn't run power to the drive like I'd hoped. I see something next to the IDE header that looks like a power take-off, but I don't want to fry my netier by hooking up the wrong things. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 03-21-2002 08:24:48

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Hey SNIFF. I dont know if its to late. I'd be into one if it has an IDE for a HDD. I cant find the model on the website. If you get this b4 the auction is over and know the answer give me a holler at soulflyer68@hotmail.com cya! 03-21-2002 08:29:37

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Jester, Check your cable orientation, sometimes the keying on the connectors is reversed from what it should be. I'm running my latop drive off of the cable no problem. Other power is available from CN5, the large white Molex connector that attaches to the mobo from the external power supply connector. The two reds on the left are +5, the yellow is +12. That's where I'm pulling the 7v to run a 12v fan at a quiet level. You can find the hardware manual at http://www.wyse.com/serviceandsupport/netier/support/pdfs/NXXLadmin.pdf B'Dog 03-21-2002 11:18:54

WYSE Winterm 8360 SE (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Here is the link to one of a couple pdf file for this machine. http://www.wyse.com/products/winterm/8360se/8360.pdf I don't know about the ide header. Info for this thing is hard to find. Anyways, the auction linked above is too high for me, but it looks like PeteJ from this thread is in the running. Go Pete! BDog, I'll look for that Palm serial adapter. Thanks. 03-21-2002 11:19:21

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester, epodfreak: I am willing to upload my DOC image, but I don't have a good place to put it. In the past I've used Yahoo briefcases. This wouldn't work very well for this image. It is about 70MB. A yahoo briefcase holds 30MB. Does anyone with the space/bandwidth want to volunteer to host the image? Jester: A laptop hard drive will get power from the 44-pin cable. It the hard drive doesn't spin up it is usually because the cable is not plugged in correctly. It may be off by a pin or reversed. Pin1 on the IDE connector on the motherboard is closest to the DOC. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-21-2002 11:29:08

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile I tried using the cable in both orientations, but I'll try again tonight. I pulled my HDD out of an old IBM laptop, so the drive is inside a little carriage. I took it out of the carriage, and it looks like a normal IDE connector on the HDD except that there are 4 additional pins off to the side of the IDE connector. The IDE to proprietary IBM connector has 50 holes, which allows it to interface with these additional pins. I'm starting to think those extra pins are jumper pins, and the proprietary cable allows the laptop to adjust the jumper settings to allow for the hot-swappable CDROM drive. I plan to look up the HDD model and check this out later too. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the help and support - you're a cool bunch of guys in my book. 03-21-2002 12:06:33

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) car9c1 Profile If you want to upload DOC images you can put them on my T1 Server: 208.51.13.51 03-21-2002 13:19:08

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile Jester: You got it, the four extra pins are the master/slave/cable select pins. Some systems connect to them for automatic settings. Also I had one old IBM drive that had to have a jumper when used in anything but the IBM it came from. You can go to IBM and look up the jumpers and specs for most of their old drives. PeteB 03-21-2002 14:28:58

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile what a real bitch is we can't do windows update(security bugfixes) and even can't do printer driver add on i needed the hp deskjet 932c driver so i can do network printing jez im waiting for an evaluation copy of winxp embbedded cd it's coming on the way in 5 days ,i did test check compablity with winxp corprate cd to see if it's a go ,yep except for 2 network drivers that isnt present on netier(wavelan wireless and other brand nic) and diskspace asking about freeing 13mb? hmm... i know it's 72mb doc but you can do with win98 in compressed form but you can't compress a nt files 03-21-2002 17:45:35

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile car9c1: Thanks for the hospitality! Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-21-2002 21:44:41

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile well i downloaded raport 3.02 and it turns out it's an upgrade only ,not the 30 day trial hmmm... where's the link to wyse trial version? since computer-show netier weblink is gone so anyone who had downloaded the trial version let me know how big is it and igure a way to download it? 03-22-2002 04:16:53

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile glitch and friends- Now that I have glitch's 98lite image (thanks Car9c1), my plan is this: load NTFSDOS, ghost, and Glitch's image onto a harddrive. Boot to NTFSDOS and gain access to the DOC. Ghost the original NT DOC image onto the harddrive for safety, and format the DOC. ghost Glitch's image onto the DOC and reboot. Set the BIOS to boot to the DOC. I also plan to experiment with moving the swapfile to the physical harddisk. Another idea is to add another 64MB RAM, make a 64MB RAMdisk, and move the swapfile to the RAMdisk. Any comments on any of this? Does Disk On Chip wear out after a few million writes, like other types of solid-state storage? If so, we'll want to keep the swapfile off the DOC, right? Just another 2 cents. Keep up the good work, fellas! 03-22-2002 07:06:02

Dimms, Processor, Installing Windows (modified 0 times) chrisleif Profile | Email Three questions: 1) Where do you find the really skinny dimm's to add memory. I have a bunch of memory including some old 32 and 64MB dimms. The ones with the 8 chips vertically mounted don't work, as mentioned above. I have a couple with 4 chips mounted horizontally and they are about 1/4" too high. 2) What's the fastes K2 processor you can use with the existing heatsink. I really don't want to put a fan in this guy. 3) I didn't see an option to boot from a USB drive so I guess I'm going to have to get a 44 to 40 pin adapter to boot from a normal CD-ROM to install Windows onto a spare laptop drive I have. Where do you buy those? 03-22-2002 07:10:36

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: You don't need NTFSDOS to work with ghost images of NTFS partitions. You would only need it if you want to access the content of the partition from DOS. A swap file doesn't make any sense for a machine like this. "Disk" resources are more scarce than memory resources. The space on the DOC is too precious to use for swapping. The 98lite image has the swap file disabled. Setting up a RAMDISK for swapping seems like a good idea until you sit down and think it through. The swap file is there to make the machine act like it has more memory than it really has. This swap is usually accessed when the machine is running out of memory. The system moves data from memory to hard drive, thus freeing memory for other applications. By setting up a RAMDISK swap file you would be moving data from memory to memory. You would be better off just letting the system use all the memory (i.e. no RAMDISK swapfile) and save the overhead of the RAMDISK and swapping. The DOC has a limited number of writes, but this number is in the millions. It would take quite a while to wear it out if you tried, but why take the risk. The 98lite image is set up with a 4MB RAMDISK (I:). This may be useful for caching browser pages/images. Opera can be set up to only cache pages/images to RAM. In this case the RAMDISK is not needed. It has been a while since I've used IE & Netscape. I'm not sure if they can be configured in a similar manner. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 07:47:34

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- You make an excellent point. I was thinking Windows98 required a swapfile...duh! either way, I plan on keeping the harddrive in place for MP3s and applications and stuff. That being the case, would it be wise to reenable the swap file and stick in on the harddrive or just leave it turned off? Also, how long is it taking your netier to boot up? Is the DOC still compressed? How loud is a lasagna cooling fan? Would a peltier be a better choice? 03-22-2002 08:03:53

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: I wouldn't recommend the 98lite-micro image of you are going to use a hard drive. The micro build leaves out a lot of things that you take for granted in a desktop OS. You would be better off with a more conventional load of an OS if you have the space. The 98lite-micro (and other embedded OS's) only make sense if you need the small footprint to fit them on the DOC. I was just discussing the peltier option with someone else offline. I'll just cut & paste my thought from that discussion here.... The peltier wouldn't work well in the Netier. The problem with the machine is finding a good (silent) way of dumping the heat from the CPU. A peltier can only keep the CPU side cool if the heat sink side can be kept cool. It is best to think of peltiers in terms of temperature differences (deltaT) than as a "cooling device". With a peltier you have to be able to dump all of the heat load from the CPU PLUS all the heat load generated to drive the deltaT. If you can't dump the heat from the hot side, then the cold side can't get cold. This is why you see most peltier systems with very large heatsinks or liquid coolers. What the Netier really needs is a heatpipe. These are really neat devices. If you do a bit of web searching you will find a better explanation of how they work than I can provide. The problem with heatpipes is that they are usually custom configured for an OEM system. I haven’t found any sources for generic heatpipes, but it has been some time since I looked. I know one heaksink manufacture that is using the heatpipe concept in their product, but I don't think that it would package in the Netier. Heat is going to be the biggest problem with going fast on the Netier. I'm not sure if there is a practical solution that doesn't involve a fan. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 09:08:37

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: B'Dog seems to have a good HSF (heatsink fan) solution. A lasagna running at 7 to 9 volts is very quiet. It is quieter than most laptop hard drives. I'm not sure if it will provide enough cooling to run a K6-3-450 at 600 with the cover on. But it will be more effective than the stock cooling. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 09:20:16

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I just thought of another solution using a HSF... I tried mounting a Alpha PAL153U on Netier. The HSF just clears all of the capacitors around the CPU socket. One could install the heatsink, slide on the cover and then attach the fan. Of course, you would have to cut a hole in the side of the case for the fan <g>. The fan would extend about 5mm from the side of the case. The provided fan will start at 9v and is fairly quiet at that voltage. This setup will likely provide enough cooling to run the K6-3-450 at 600. With a fancy fan grill this wouldn't look too bad. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 09:51:46

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile glitch- I'm going to experiment with a variety of OS loads on this box. My friend and I are planning to try 98micro, linux, QNX, and possibly others using alternately the DOC and the HDD as boot drives. Personally, I'm just looking for something small and fast that boots up quickly and has some of the features of Win98. I would like USB, Winamp, a browser, and a few other apps. I was looking into 98micro because it is supposed to boot quickly. I'll keep the OS on whichever IDE device gives me the shortest boot time, and keep the software and data on the HDD for sure. Eventually, I'd like to install this box in my car and run MP3s off it as well as GPS and webcam. I'll need USB support for the GPS , the webcam, and the 802.11 when I get them. Once again, I gotta thank you for your quick replies to my posts. I can't wait to get some time this weekend to play with this 'puter. 03-22-2002 09:55:52

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) car9c1 Profile How are you all loading Ghost images onto the DOC? I tried installed 98 on a hard drive..then the mchine boots up and I install ghost 2002 but for some reason on the box it rolls back and uninstalles it as soon as it completes..How is everywon loading images and what versino of Ghost? Thanks 03-22-2002 10:19:02

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile I haven't had a chance to try imaging the Netier yet, but you should be able to load DOS, ghost.exe, and the image file onto a harddrive, boot to the harddrive, and then just run ghost.exe to dump the image file onto the DOC. That sound about right, Glitch? 03-22-2002 10:47:06

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile car9c1: I use the ghost.exe from a DOS prompt on a external hard drive. Select "disk from image" and transfer the image to the DOC. Afterwards, the partition on the DOC needs to be marked "active" (using Partition Magic) so it will boot. At this time I also resize the partition to use the whole DOC. I don't understand why Ghost doesn't use the whole DOC. Its easy enough to change with PM that it doesn't bother me. Power down & remove the hard drive. Power up, then configure the BIOS so it doesn't look for the hard drive anymore. On the next boot you should be running from the DOC. If you don't have PM it is a bit trickier. I don't think that FDISK will set a partition active that is not on the C: drive. In this case, remove the hard drive, add a CDROM and boot from a CDROM that has FDISK on it. The DOC should be C: now and FDISK should work. I'm sure that there are many other ways of doing this. I'm guessing that eventually someone will come up with a way of reimaging the DOC from the network with readily available tools. Until then, the hard drive method will have to do. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 11:38:18

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile Just a tip for backing up netier windows NT or any kind from DOC: msys has a utility for reading the whole image from DOC and dumpping to a file. you don't need norton ghost. for how long the DOC can sustain of reading/writing: I read the DOC 2000 tech PDF file, it states that will sustain millions of writing. Comparing with Compact Flash or Multimedia Flash with DOC 2000, the DOC is much better in life time. I have webplayers , installed with Linux (starting from scartch to build the small Linux Filesystem)and has set swap file in the DOC (around 4MB swap file), and still using right now. The DOC doesn't show any wears. In win98, better disable swap file, cause if wins senses a low memory, it will use swap file, and it really slow down the system, if the swap file is small. In original XL-1000 windowsNT embedded, there is no swapfile, only has one small partion for storing inf/configuration, and virtual disk (for caching temp file) :) as I know and read from somebody posting in this thread :)). so far that I know guys.... Peace Pete 03-22-2002 11:40:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) JhonR Profile I don't know if anybody has tried this, but I was able to get WinAmp to install on this thing with the default House2Home set up. First you need to configure your network settings so you can use your browser. Second, fire up the browser to http://www.winamp.com and download the LITE version and DO NOT SAVE TO DISK. You want to select "run this program from it's current location". This will launch the installer. Once finished, winamp is installed and accessable from the START menu. NOTE: Until someone can figure out how to get the default HOUSE2HOME settup to map drives, there is NO way this can play files directly. It can only be used for streaming. Also, it tosses up an error every time winamp is run, but it still works. -jhon 03-22-2002 12:23:23

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Finally got the system working correctly with the PXE boot so I can image and dump items to the DOC over the network. Amazing what you can do when you get impatient waiting for an IDE cable ;) Once I get this working reliably, I will probably write a howto, but for now at lease it works for me. The only problem is that I can not make it work every time yet. 03-22-2002 12:56:05

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you didnt need ghosting the image i use dolly i simply plug in a dos hd or a ide zip drive and booted into dos and did dolly hd128: /netier.img and i now have a 72mb image file -simple! as for nt ram drive i disabled that when i redirected temporary internet files to remote disk that is my other pc with winxp :) it works if you enable the network neighborhood in tweak ui and mapping the network drive to netier i now can access cdrom remotely but only one problem is stock netier nt will not let me view text files or excute some files :( 03-22-2002 13:35:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hey check out the new machine at http://www.business.com/bdcframe.asp?ticker=&src=http%3A//rd.business.com/index.asp%3Fbdcz%3Di.l.l.ml.e%26bdcr%3D24%26bdcu%3Dhttp%253A//www.vxl.net/%26bdcf%3D1D5F05AC-C6FE-11D4-90FF-00805FA7885A%26bdcp%3D%26partner%3Dbdc%26title%3DVXL%2520Instruments%2520Limited&back=http%3A//www.business.com/directory/computers_and_software/computer_services/management_information_systems_mis/systems_integration/thin_client/&path=/directory/computers_and_software/computer_services/management_information_systems_mis/systems_integration/thin_client ouch! long link! it tells about new thincleint running winxp embedded and it has 4 usb and has firewire! 03-22-2002 14:13:34

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile vwbug19 Checked the Wyse site and it seems the download link for the Trial version of Rapport has dissappeared. Not sure if they are no longer providing that, but for now, you can get it from Computer-Show.com at the following link. Not too sure for how long though. http://www.computer-show.com/drivers/utilities/rapport.zip 03-22-2002 14:30:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile found trial copy of rapport 3.02 [ick!] 269mb download!!!! im dling it at the moment :) notice:the neier xl1000 only support up to 10gb hd(it is bios issue) will let you know the url link when my dl is done cause i don't want to bog down my dl by too many users dling same site ciao! 03-22-2002 14:41:17

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile one slim floppy drive confirmed to work with netier is the floppy drive i pulled from my dec alpha multia udb pc :) providing i flip over the white plastic ribbon cable at the floppy drive port so it's pin 1 oriented correctly :) i tested it with a floppy sure! the netier network neighborhood see it as drive a: if i change the bios in cmos setting for drive type and in intergated periphals enabling onboard floppy controller and bingo!(the pin1 on alpha's floppy drive is toward the longer width or toward the floppy eject button and it is also confirmed that the websurfer pro isa/pci riser works in netier! :) as for cf option i can't find info or the part# nor wyse provide them? i thing it plug in daughter card to riser or plug directly into ide port? i'd prefer the one that has ejection button and cf mounts to that slot damn it ,knite_owl knew the url to rapport 03-22-2002 16:17:50

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile vwbug19: What is manufacturer & model number is the floppy drive? I have a few different laptop floppies in my junk pile. I don't have pinout information for them so I haven't hooked them up to anything. It's a long shot that I would have a similar drive to you, but it's worth a shot. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 17:02:58

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) makehell Profile I check the Wyse site, if you click on upgrades, they list a 64MB dimm for the XL series at $39, about $10 more then a standard PC100 at Crucial, but on the description line with the system they list XL2000 and not XL1000. Still, they may be the 3/4" high used in th XL1000. The compact flash option is just IDE to CF adapter. These are avaiilable for about $20-$30 elsewhere. I have a couple, but mine have the standard forty pin header instead of the 44 pin laptop header. I waiting now for 44 pin sockets and cable, plus 44 to 40 IDE adapter from badflash before I can hard drive equip the Netier Peter 03-22-2002 17:36:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile to makehell, the capacity as in the netier tech specs is completey b.s i can bump ram to 256mb! and to glitch , it's citzen wd1 used in dec alpha model a09-vx40 do you know what a dec alpha multia udb pc is? that's i had bought for 99 bucks 2 years ago it had 2 pcmica slot in back and has 44pin ide as well scsi too plus bnc/rj-45/aui ethernet port and an oddly 25pin d sub combining 2 serial ports via y cable! and the processor is not an intel type it is a true 64bit risc cpu at 166mhz equalveint of intel pentuim 133mhz works good under win nt 4.0 but linux x window suffer the most speed hog :) btw the floppy drive plastic ribbon cable must be 26pin wide to fit in the port that is below the doc 03-22-2002 18:13:59

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile vwbug19: Thanks. I didn't know what a "dec alpha multia udb pc" was, but I do now <g>. I don't have any citizen floppy drives. It was a long shot. I do have others with a 26-pin connector similar to what is on the Netier motherboard. I wonder if these have a standard pinout? Everyone else: The new image on car9c1's site was created using v5 of M-systems DOC DOS tools. The command "putimage g_98lite.doc" should be all you need to do to transfer the image to the DOC. The tools can be downloaded from here. Nothing else should be needed. Much simpler, right? Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-22-2002 18:44:28

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) ym88 Profile How do I get Glitch's 98Lite image? I tried anonymous ftp to 208.51.13.51 but the link keeps resetting when I tried to look at the directory. Thanks for the help. ym 03-22-2002 19:48:35

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) makehell Profile vwbug19 and memory: is that two 128MB dimms? or single 256MB? What is the max capacity? Still, if you want to keep everything in the original case, one needs low profile dimms. Peter 03-23-2002 06:59:10

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile makehell, yup just barley fit with cover on :) it is 128mb pc133 dimm module in 15/16th of inch height and it does line up with just paperthin clearance of the cover i don't remember where i bought the module and it doesnt have part# printed but has a orange circle logo with yc in side it 15/16th is the maxium height but you can use 7/8" or 1 inch 03-23-2002 12:46:41

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile bad news for rapport.zip from computer-show.com link is it doesn't support winxp pro ! damn it and it is latest version 3.02 why didn't wyse thought of winxp support when they designed new version??? 03-23-2002 16:40:25

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile did you know that under win nt4 usb can be used , only one device that had special driver is iomega 100mb zip drive usb mine came with win nt4 driver for it :) i haven't teseted it yet until i get win nt4 server is installed on spare pc so i can install rapport to add that printer and device driver 03-24-2002 12:45:52

USB for Windows NT 4.0 (modified 0 times) Sniff Profile Bsquare had this for a while now. Only thing is it cost $75. http://www.bsquare.com/products/devtools/usbwin40/ 03-24-2002 18:54:16

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- you seem to know the most about the DOC so far. I heard that it was compressed...is there any way to decompress it? I'm sure it would hold less that way, but it may run faster. Just an idea. My friend and I played with our netiers for several hours last night, with some success. We were finally able to get the hard drive to show up as primary slave and attempt to boot, but the Win95 image was just screwed up. We were not able to get an image onto the drive yet, because my laptop is too old (IBM 755CD) and we were unable to get it to boot onto the network. I've got the harddrives here at work now, and should have no trouble imaging them with Glitch's 98lite image using a more modern laptop. From there, it should be easy to get the image onto the DOC. We're still waiting to hear from anyone who's been trying to get linux or QNX onto the netier. 03-26-2002 07:49:40

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- I just read about the new tool for imaging the DOC. your post mentions using "putimage g_98lite.doc", but I don't have g_98lite.doc I have g_98lite.gho. Is that the same file? Will that file work? If not, where can I get the .doc file? please help. Jester 03-26-2002 07:56:44

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Jester- The g_98lite.doc is not the same as the g_98lite.gho. Glitch created a new image so that everyone will be able to put the image on the chip without having to have Ghost (cost, wrong version, etc). The PUTIMAGE program is available from M-SYS the creator of the DiskOnChip and designed to do just this task, and it is free for the downloading. Glitch has a link a few post up to get this file. 03-26-2002 09:45:05

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) petejengkol Profile just found XL2000 on ebay. here the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2012665851 03-26-2002 10:01:00

Network Boot using PXE for the Netier or any other machine for the fact. (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile Everyone has been waiting for the ability to do this so that the need to crack open the case and attach a HD to image the DOC will become a thing of the past. Well, here it is. Hopefully this will help others. Using the Network boot, I can send an Image to the DOC or get an Image from the DOC. Tested with both PUTIMAGE.EXE as well as GHOST.EXE. Format the DOC with DFORMAT.EXE, you get the gist, anything you want without having to open the case and attach a drive. Requirements: 1. WinNT4 Server, haven't tested with anything else. May or may not work with anything else. 2. PXE PDK from Intel 3. At least one bootable floppy without anything on it, just the system files. Steps: 1. Install WinNT4 Server with Network support and TCP/IP protocol. (If not already done) 2. Install the PXE PDK from Intel. http://www.intel.com/labs/manage/wfm/tools/pxepdk20/index.htm 3. Configure the PXE PDK as per the included instructions. I am not going to hold hand here, it is very easy if you read the manual. 4. Put the bootable floppy into your computer and run the tool to create the image. There is an icon for this in the program group (Not the API one). You will need to have your WinNT4 Server CD available for this, it needs files from there to create your network boot disk. 5. Attach the Server and your Netier to the same network. 6. Make sure the Netier is setup for Network Boot, comes as default, but in case you changed it. 7. Power up the Netier and once the Network Boot starts up, you will get a prompt to press F8 to display the menu. 8. Press F8 and select the DOSUDI item. Once the system finish booting, you will be at the A: prompt, just map a drive to your server where you keep the images, image tools, whatever and you are all set to go. 03-26-2002 10:11:04

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i got winxp embedded cd yesterday and am figuring out how to make one ,sigh,it doesn't have via 82c686 chipset compnet so ill try to get that from winxp drivers yup the xl2000 has isa/pci slot and has floppy/cd drive build in ,btw the mobo is the same one as xl1000 ,only diffrence is the case 175.00 for xl2000??? since netier was taken over by wyse and no longer make them,only provide support for it and this make all netier's worth much less 03-26-2002 10:11:48

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Thanks for the PXE tips, KnightOwl. That might be the simplest way to get a fully functional OS onto the DOC yet! Concerning g_98lite.doc, I still don't know where I can get a copy. I downloaded the GHO image, but the FTP site that I got it from doesn't seem to have the files anymore. Can anyone point me in the right direction? If not, I should be able to use the GHO image, so I'll be okay. Last but not least, does anyone have an answer to my compression question? It seems like the DOC would be quicker if it weren't compressed. Is there a way to decompress it? If so, will the 98lite image still fit? 03-26-2002 12:13:47

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile OUCH! i built the winxp embedded image and it turned out to be 222mb compressed/309mb uncompressed no way to fit in a 72mb doc! ill have to whittle down to right size or maybe fit on a hd? 03-26-2002 14:21:29

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: The 98lite image is compressed to allow it to fit on the DOC. Before compression the build was greater than 72MB. The image would need to be compressed even if it was just under 72MB in order to make room for programs. I've deleted some of the OS files that I know will never be used. I'm sure that many more can be removed. If you delete enough of them you may have space to decompress the "compressed drive" on the DOC. kNiTe_oWl: Thanks for the PXE info. It gives me more incentive to get my Win2k server up and running again. All: FYI, the .doc and the .gho images contain nearly the same contents. With the .doc image the partition does not need to be expanded to use the entire DOC and it is already marked active (bootable). If anyone has a more stable home for the 98lite image, please let me know. It takes a couple of hours to upload the file. I don't want to keep uploading the file if it is just going to be deleted. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-26-2002 16:14:32

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile got it down to 62mb compressed/87mb uncompressed :) i hope to test boot it from this image on a small hd first i was able to use 40pin hd on this netier by using the 40 to 44pin adaper for laptop hd in rverse order :) 03-26-2002 17:06:58

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Zack Profile Can someone please help me out? Like a dumb ass, I didn't copy/print the instructions from the computer-show.com link and now I don't have any info (passwords, etc) on these things. Can someone please email me a copy of the instructions that were posted? Thanks in advance, Zack 03-26-2002 18:28:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile in case you missed the netier info on pwd/user,etc ,scrollback to 21st sub topic from start it's still there and if you want to print it just left clickhold and drag highlighted area then crtl c then go to notepad and crtl v to paste it then you're happy to print it 03-26-2002 18:55:55

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hmmm... on note about netier default wallpaper home2house was that a building supply store or ? what it's website is id' like to know the orgin of it :) 03-26-2002 21:20:56

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Here are a few leftovers from the company... http://company.monster.com/homebase/ Check out the recent news: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=hbi&d=v1 Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-26-2002 21:37:53

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile intresting about house2home it is in western part of usa and there is none in eastern part 03-27-2002 06:54:42

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile so those netiers were sold in liquation auction from 42 bankrupted house2home location,note their website dosnt exist you ever seen home depot computers? they runs under linux! 03-27-2002 06:58:14

RE:thin client (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- Thanks for clearing that up for me. I may just disable the DOC and run an uncompressed 98lite image from the harddrive. I did a little research, and it looks like the DOC isn't very fast anyway. If the harddrive is faster than the DOC, then I'll use it instead. I'm thinking I can get my boot times down if I use "Suspend to disk". Does this sound practical? I'm waiting on a nice slim harddrive to get here so I can proceed on my own. By the way, how are you guys mounting harddrives into the netier? I'm planning on disassembling the case and adding some mounting hardware. Any better ideas? Thanks for the input, guys. Jester 03-27-2002 07:43:22