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New MessageHP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) Miyu2002
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Its a strange idea and way off topic but here goes. If the moderator want to pull this no problem! { Yes I am a card carrying nut! ;) )

While crusing for Cybiko units over the last two weeks I saw a new very small hp photo printer. Not unusual but looks like it has a straight path through it! Here is the description:
/http://products.hp-at-home.com/products/detail.php?id=C8441A&j=1

Ok here is the idea. Instead of feeding photopaper through you feed a cleaned blank pcboard through. It deposits ink where you want to keep the copper. Just as if you drew, photo or toner it on. If it could work, would be great for some of these fix up projects we are all cook up here.

The key items are, if it can take a board, resolution good enough for small traces and if the ink could take the abuse of hot etching. Be nice if it is pigmented ink since that means it has supended particles for the color. If it work then it could go back through one last time to put labels and a coating on the copper.

Most send off and receive board places cost around 100. The printer is 179. Would pay for it self after a few boards.

Now if HP or one of the others would pop out a cartridge that had copper suspended like pigmented inks then you could roll out a circuit on anything. I know they have food color ones now for printiable picture on cakes.

Well it just an idea. :)

03-20-2002 20:50:34

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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Nice idea, but it won't work. There are very few inks that are thin enough to flow through an inkjet nozzle, yet tough enough to withstand an etching agent without further processing.

It's simpler to generate a Gerber file from the PCB layout tool and e-mail it to commercial quick-turnaround PCB vendors, although they'll charge a fair amount, depending on the number of layers, size and turnaround time.

03-20-2002 22:16:32

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) Miyu2002
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Did find that the rez for that printer is 2400x1200.

I know regualr dye ink's are basicaly thin and in my oppion from wide format printing are basicaly unstable at best but the pigmented inks might just make it. I would assume that it uses dye to keep cost down and that HP heads cant really take pigment inks without "sand blasting" or clogging quickly the heads. Epson heads dont really have this problem.

Was a good idea. :)

03-20-2002 22:33:02

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) philba
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not so crazy...

for years, people have been taking pcb art and copying it to standard presentation transparency film (in reverse). Then they take the printed transparency, put it "ink" side down on a pcb blank and apply heat with an iron. Apparently, enough transfers to the copper to form a resist. I doubt you could do really fine stuff but for a lot of projects it works fine. Issues, as I recall, were 1) photocopiers don't reproduce at exactly 1-1 scale so its a low precision technique, 2) dual sided is difficult and 3) it didn't look that good. I dont know if inkjet printed transparencies would work.

I built a small project with it years ago but drilling all the holes was such a tedious drag I never did it again. I went through 3 boards before I got it right and there were only like maybe 50 lead holes. I'm very happy leaving it to the pros...

Phil

03-20-2002 22:59:25

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) wildwildwes
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Take a look at this stuff:

http://www.techniks.com/

I haven't used it but i've heard it works reasonably well.

03-21-2002 00:50:41

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) *SF*
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\ http://www.techniks.com/
03-21-2002 01:18:22

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) Miyu2002
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Tnks for all of the suggestions! :)

I though a direct dropping of ink may work. Have read up on their sheets and may try them.

Did the toner bit a while back. The best is to use a laser printer since all copiers do introduce errors when they copy. Did read about using Glossy paper on one site.

The best way to drill is to use a microdrill press. Have both a dremmel and a hobby tool that does wonder. But with todays SMT stuff do not need to drill many holes.

May pull the old Roland 12" Stika router out of mothballs and try that method again. Most sign grade vinyl is total resistant to std etch solution. The probblem is to weed the scrap and leave the traces. Baically like laying down tape but all at one time.

Again tnks for the suggestions.

Hum. If I build a crude copier and charge the board build a scanning octagon mirror... Sorry just thinking. ;)

03-21-2002 10:30:28

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Hmmm, Just took apart a "D" dived supermarket barcode reader flatbed scanner...Has "multi-faceted rotating mirror assembly"....
Lots of other kool optics! Solid state laser diode.
03-21-2002 11:40:39

New MessageRE:HP 100 Printer +blank coper board = True PC boards? (modified 0 times) Miyu2002
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With any laser product be carefull with the beam. :) Have a HP IIP that a client gave me years ago that is almost black inside but poping up with the expensive 52 error. But need to be carefull with the laser. It will cause eye damage by direct or refelective if it hits the eye.

Sounds like a fun hack! :)

03-21-2002 16:27:30

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