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thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile here's the new topic part 2 since thin client had grown to over 200 messages 03-30-2002 14:29:58

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) wildwildwes Profile This is better, but I think we need a more permanent solution. Maybe codeman could make a thin client forum. If he won't, we could make a new board somewhere else. 03-30-2002 14:44:09

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Reverend_Jones Profile ***TMR0 wrote:I thought the XL-1000 came with a 300 mHz processor but apparently the stock chip is runnning at 250 mHz, 100 Mhz bus with 2.5 x multiplier, has any one else noticed this?*** The early XL-1000 were rated at 250Mhz, the later ones at 300Mhz. All of mine that I have checked are running at 300Mhz. I pulled the CPUs on 3 of them for upgrading; 2 were rated at 333Mhz at 1.9 volts and 1 was 350Mhz at 1.9 volts. 03-30-2002 17:12:26

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Here are my test results with the Lasagna fan. All tests were done with the cover on Tests were run by continuously looping the SiSoft Sandra burn-in (CPU benchmark & Multimedia benchmark) Tests were run until the temp stabilized (30-60 min) or until the CPU reached 140 degrees F (denoted by a "+") Upper line of temps are as reported by Motherboard Monitor in degrees F Lower line of temps are as reported by Sandra in degrees C Lasagna w/hood has a cardboard hood/duct which seals the input of the fan to the holes in the side of the case. In this configuration the fan only uses "outside the case" air for cooling the CPU. Without the hood the air for the CPU was a mixture of "outside the case" air and (hotter) "inside the case air". Sandra CPU and Multimedia benchmarks are include for reference. I've probably left something out or screwed up somewhere. I really should not have done this when I have a nasty cold/flu. CPU Info Heatsink CPU Case CPU Benchmark Multimedia BM Temp Temp Dhry Whet Int Float K6-2-300 @ 300 (100x3.0) Stock 134 78 805 368 918 1328 1.9v 67.2 26.7 K6-2-300 @ 300 (100x3.0) Lasagna 107 75 1.9v 51.8 25.4 K6-3-450 @ 300 (100x3.0) Lasagna 113 75 805 368 924 1329 1.9v 46.4 25.4 K6-3-450 @ 300 (100x3.0) Lasagna 123 77 1.9v 54.4 25.9 K6-3-450 @ 450 (100x4.5) Lasagna 140+ 78 1209 553 1388 1995 1.9v 61.4+ 26.7 K6-3-450 @ 450 (100x4.5) Lasagna 111 75 1.9v w/hood 45.9 26.7 K6-3-450 @ 500 (100x5.0) Lasagna 116 77 1344 615 1543 2217 1.9v w/hood 48.6 25.9 K6-3-450 @ 550 (100x5.5) Lasagna 125 77 1478 667 1697 2440 2.0v w/hood 53.2 26.3 I was not able to get a K63-450 to run at 600 for any length of time. I still need to go back and try upping the voltage until I can get it to run stable at 600. I feel too crappy to mess with this any more. Once I start feeling better I'll append results for K63-450@600@2.Xv and possibly results with an Alpha heatsink (if anyone is interested). Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-30-2002 19:44:33

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Thanks for the infor/benchmarking Glitch! I would be happy running this puppy at 550Mhz. Guys knowing and seeing Glitch's work his "cardboard hood/duct" is a piece of art (almost too good to use but rather to display) as he's very good/meticulous at designing this sort of thing. 03-30-2002 20:21:05

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Glitch, Were you running the Lasagna at 12v? I'm really hoping to be able to run at 7v with my modified heatsink/fan and Doctor ckbone's Magic Thermal Elixir. The first heatsink I modded my machinist shaved a little too much off the bottom and I don't think I can get a good flat surface 'cause it's too flimsy. I picked up another one from the surplus store Friday afternoon and hope he can do a better job on Monday.... B'Dog 03-30-2002 20:49:58

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile PeteC: This duct was pretty simple. It is basically a box cut from picture matting (heavy cardboard) with a hole in it. It is attached to the Lasagna heatsink with 2-sided carpet tape. A picture can be found here: Link to picture B'Dog: All of the tests were run with the fan at 12v. However, during the second test with the K63-450@300 and the K63-450@450 the fan was running slower than normal due to a bearing failure (I knew I forgot to mention something <g>). I cooked the bearing on a earlier test. The fan speed was about the same as a good fan at 7-9v. This isn't exactly what you were looking for, but hopefully it is close enough. All: The MPJA Lasagna fans have a very short cord. It will reach the power connector if the socket mounting clips are swapped. Also, one flaw in the Lasagna design (IMHO) is that it needs to use a thermal pad instead of thermal compound. If the pad is removed the fan bearing is exposed. Two things could happen if you run without a pad. The first is the bearing could get contaminated with whatever heat sink compound that you are using. Most "hi performance" heatsink compounds are based on metal particles. Metal "shavings" and ball bearings are a bad combination. The other thing that could happen is the oil in the bearing could dry out without being sealed by the pad. The stock Lasagna pad isn't too bad. It is usually reusable if the CPU temp doesn't get too high. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 03-31-2002 10:25:51

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile NEWS FLASH!!!! it's a go! i have built win xp embedded and booted it off the hd on netier a bit faster than win xp pro and still 200mb i tried to trim down but it's the damn dependcy checks that keep adding them so it's a bloatware ill try with mininum options whoo! ill post a screenshot 03-31-2002 19:50:12

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile darn, how do i make screenshot in winxp? 03-31-2002 19:59:40

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile <vwbug19> To get an image of your screen just hit ALT & PRTSCN at the same time. Open up Word or Wordpad and do a past or CTRL V to paste your picture. 03-31-2002 20:23:25

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56 Profile Glitch, Thanks for the info, we'll see how the Lasagna works when I get them next Thursday. I decided to work with what I had, and was able to kinda smooth down the heatsink that my machinist butchered without bending it up too bad. Slopped some of Doctor ckbone's Magic Thermal Elixir on the heatsink and CPU, had to use a bit more than usual as it seemed the heatsink wasn't contacting well in the middle. Just using the existing holes in the case didn't give the fan much to draw from, made too much noise even running at 7v, and temps ran up around 135F. So out came 'the nibbler', hehehehe. Made a hole big enough for the fan to have clearance, and mounted a mini fan guard to protect from damage. Couldn't get the hole exactly perfect round, plus scratched the case paint when nibbling, so dremeled as round as possible and painted the case with a dark green textured Rustoleum that looks really sweet. Now running K6-III+/450 at 1.9v, jumpered up to 550 on the mobo with CPUIdle loading at startup. Ran Sandra CPU/Multimedia continuous for a hour, with Spinner streaming audio over the HomeRF at the same time. Temps topped out at 122F, can't wait to get another heatsink modded and see about taking it to 600@2.0v. Pix for viewing at http://photos.yahoo.com/bubbadog56 , look in the Netier folder.... B'Dog 03-31-2002 20:24:28

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile ok i've added photo shot to a website at http://photos.yahoo.com/vwbug192002 notice the tower pc shot ,on the right is a mac g4 tower :) and middle is althon 900 and on left is dual celerons on bp6 mobo and on the floor is a netier!,in desktop photo it's my cables nightmare and an iopener is buried in there! note the m&m peanuts candy bag(yellow) and a kvm switch box i use to connect 4 pc's to one keyboard/mouse/monitor will add more screenshots later 03-31-2002 21:02:13

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) dawson Profile | Email Coool. Is it just me or does anyone else think "Fire Hazard! Fire Hazard!" when they see VeeDub's pictures? dawson 03-31-2002 22:09:28

Need a favor... (modified 0 times) Freakin Profile 2nd time i'm posting for this: Would someone who has used PXE to load an image onto their XL-1000 mind uploading their dosundi.1 that they created for the imaging? My friend has my NT server 4 CD so I had to manually download all the files needed to create the bootdisk image and something bad happened along the way.... so a upload to ftp://netier:netier@rebellands.net and a post here letting me know it's been done would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Freakin 03-31-2002 22:19:47

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile accually 2 usb enclosures i used to hookup cd and hd to the powersupply and hookedup 40pin ide cable to a regular 44pin to 40pin adapter in reverse way(yup it works) i can hot swap the ide cables of course i power down the powersupply of usb enclosure first)between the dual celerons and netier so i can protype the image of winxpe 03-31-2002 22:40:28

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile finally managed to tone down winxpe to 86mb compressed/120mb uncompressed but it's still a far cry from reaching 72mb :( it contain mininum build plus internet explorer 6 and few important items such as controlpanel,display,device manger,tcp/ip jez that was a difficult one to build than linux,linux is much easier to build cause linux has cramfs support along with tarring files resulting in 40 to 50% smaller compared to winxpe's 20-30% 04-01-2002 14:39:42

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile Ok I got my netier to boot off a floppy. I tried loading cyotelinux on to it but it complans about not having atleast 608KB of conventional memory. Is there anyway to up the conventional memory? The Floppy that I installed is a Mitsumi D359F plugged in to J27 from an old 486sx winbook. 04-01-2002 18:07:36

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) stretch Profile | Email You need to trim down on your boot disk. See what kind of drivers are loading at boot. Ah the good old dos days. 04-01-2002 21:12:21

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile It was a linux boot disk. Anyway I got a redhat bootdisk and it booted off the floppy with no prblem. I am attempted to install redhat via ftp :) I got as far as the disk partitioning. I dont have the DOC drivers :( haha I am supprized I got that far. jay 04-01-2002 21:29:27

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile kNiTe_oWl: Could you email me your lrp files? :) jay-at-nycollege-dot-edu I got the DOC to run syslinux boot loader. I know I am missing something. I hang at the "Ready" with no login prompt. I know there is a trick to this. thanks jay 04-02-2002 07:05:06

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Jester Profile VWbug- keep up the good work on that XP image. We could really use that. Have you looked into getting rid of the IE6? I plan on keeping a harddrive in my netier permanently, so I'm going to keep a partition just for applications (winamp, IE, LimeWire, etc.) If you can get IE6 off of the image, it could be reinstalled onto the harddrive to save DOC space. Keep us posted, and please upload your work to Berdman's FTP server. He's got plenty of space for images! Jayklm- Have you tried using PXE to load linux? All the tools, from the PXE PDK to the TrueFFS tools, are available at Berdman's FTP @ ftp://netier:netier@rebellands.net if you want. I wrote a basic document to help you avoid some of the pitfalls that could trip you up. It also saves having to screw around with floppy disks and whatnot. Good luck. Everyone- We got Berdman's netier imaged with Glitch's image, and I finally got mine there too. We'll be tweaking this image further as time allows. My goal is still to create a fast-booting car MP3 machine with proper control plugins for winamp. We also plan to start experimenting with QNX 6.1 as an OS. We will post all our work on Berdman's FTP. Wish us luck! 04-02-2002 07:13:09

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile vwbug19: How long will the embeddedXP image run once it is installed? I assume that Microsoft has built a time limit into the image. Jester: Why do you want to run the DOC and the hard drive? The DOC is slow, low capacity and causes other problems. All: IMHO, if you plan to run a hard drive you should remove the DOC. You could sell the DOC on eBay and recover a good portion of the price of the Netier. Also, my 98lite image is not the best choice for use on a hard drive. One would be better off with more of the OS installed and a fully functioning power management. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 04-02-2002 08:16:36

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Jester Profile glitch- Have you tested your DOC 98lite image against 98lite running on a harddrive? I haven't had a chance yet, but I've found your image to boot pretty fast on the DOC. I've got an old harddrive that Berdman and I are going to test with tonight while waiting for our 9.5mm drives to get here. I'll let you know how it all turns out. I agree that power management is a big issue. In the end, you're probably right, and I'll end up running the entire OS off the harddrive. I may even end up running XP, if that's the fastest booting OS that microsoft can make. I'd still prefer to run 98lite, though. I like the idea of a skinny OS in the car. Jayklm- Keep us all posted on your progress with Linux, will ya? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in that project. 04-02-2002 09:50:28

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile well glitch, the winxpe i have is an evaulation and expire in 120days and im keeping the doc for linux and the hd for winxpe ,intresting thing is even i disabled the doc in bios it still shows up in winxpe same as foe other os only one thing to make faster booting is disable the pxe boot it wastes about 30 sec wait 04-02-2002 10:04:54

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile jester, i plan on not using ie6 and im going to try opera if its smaller with email support ,i can't use netscape cause it bloatware at 16mb! the simple i'd like is with a webrowser with email and a telenetclient plus chat with network places so i can dl files to remote hd 04-02-2002 10:09:16

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: I developed the DOC image on a hard drive with the DOC in mind. I switched to the DOC only setup after the OS was mostly configured. After that I stayed with the DOC only environment. I would have configured 98lite differently if the final target was a hard drive. vwbug19: XP (2000 & NT4) has a driver for the DOC TrueFFS. XP is ignoring the BIOS settings and finding the hardware itself. It is a shame that M-systems didn't write a TrueFFS driver for Win9x-ME. It puts us in a rough situation. 98lite is small enough for the DOC, but is stuck with compatibility mode and its problems. Embedded XP-2K-NT4 has support for TrueFFS, but is a bit too big for the DOC. BTW, have you tried a build with no IE6? That may give the breathing room necessary to make it work. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 04-02-2002 10:30:34

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Glitch- the more I read up on XP, the more I think that's the OS for this project. Hybernate and suspend is clean and easy, boot prefetch, etc. make bootup quick. I know it's kinda bloated, but I think it'll do what I need. If I'm using XP, which has TrueFFS drivers, then the DOC should not cause me any problems, right? If so, then there's no need to remove it from the netier. I could always use it as a fall back drive with another OS in case XP takes a dump or something. Let me know if you have any input, and thanks for all you've already said and done to advance this project. 04-02-2002 11:00:26

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile I finally got LRP working on my netier. I had to use a 85MB hard disk and disable the DOC. I am going to attempt to get a striped down version of redhat installed tonight. I have to also compile the kernal to support DOC. I was hopping I wouldnt have to use a hard disk to install linux. Installation of red had will be via redhats 7.2 boot disk and install packages directly from ftp :) I will let you all know how it turns out. This device is a cool one. I kind of wish they where $50 and not $90! jay 04-02-2002 16:17:56

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile funny thing is when we first ordered from computer show.com is that it came with a dell keyboard and ainetlimouse ps2 mouse right? on 2nd viewing of that same netier on there when it's 89 bucks i reviewed the info and noticed at bottom of the text saying it for netier plus power supply only and that mean no keyboard and mouse! heheh! we bought them with keyboard and mouse for cool 49.00! ,they are trying to pocket big fat profit by not adding keyboard and mouse to those who have netier that come with keyboard and mose , you need to clean the rollers inside by removing the cover counterclockwise and removing ball you will see some dirt,hair wrapped around 2 rollers ,just use a tweezer or flat small screwdriver clean it sideway to break that and it will peel off and you now have better working mouse yep more smoother ,as for me i dont use those mouse, i use optical mouse for mant' free cause i use mouse alots 04-02-2002 16:47:36

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile one more thing i forget to tell you is that iopener and netier have similar and same chipset via 82c686a southbridge ,only iopener v4 or before have same chipset as netier and v5 have diffrent sound chip so.... im going to dl and make midiori image to run on netier 04-02-2002 17:17:50

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) skydiver Profile 4/2/02 "one more thing i forget to tell you is that iopener and netier have similar and same chipset via 82c686a southbridge ,only iopener v4 or before have same chipset as netier and v5 have diffrent sound chip" Time to post. I have a 17mm HD from my V3 IO mounted inside of my Netier. The HD fits EZ in the Netier if you remove the L brackets (drill out the press rivets), hammer down the two raised tabs and drill some screw holes. It booted Win98SE right up with out the messy NOIDE problems you get when swapping motherboards. I had DLed the drivers from a site mentioned in this board, and the year old cyberblade drivers for the IO were newer. The IO has a notched heat sink and a neat hole through the case for an external (velcro) mounted 2.5 HD (pre Imod). I have a V5 hacked the same. Anyone want a WebPlayer? 04-02-2002 18:06:40

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile did win98se says anything about adding new hardware at login screen when you change the hd from io to netier? if no? then it's confirmed that io and netier are basically the same hardware chipset 04-02-2002 18:26:01

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) dozens Profile | Email I just ordered my Netier and want to explore the non-windows alternatives...I want to telnet to this box. Someone above mentioned midiori, what is it ? 04-02-2002 20:25:30

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile if you asking about midiori info go to midiori distro topic in other area :) 04-02-2002 20:41:08

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile jayklm I am using the Dachstein version of LRP with DOC support added and it works fine off the DOC booting with SYSLINUX. All the work was done by booting the Netier to DOS with the PXE boot, DFORMAT the DOC, SYSLINUX the DOC, copy all the files to the DOC over the network, then run RDEV on the DOC. The problem that I am having right now is getting the USB to work so I can get the second NIC to work. I haven't had time to work on it for a couple of days now so I am falling behind. I am working on rebuilding the kernel to include USB support, currently version 2.2.19. I am looking at maybe going to the BERING version which is based on 2.4.X or the OXYGEN version just for all the utilities. Not sure yet. I don't really want to start general distribution of the image yet, since it is still in an unfinished state and not usefull yet. Once I get the kernel rebuilt to include the USB support and working, I will upload the image so more people can benifit from it. I haven't used Linux/UNIX in many years so I'm a bit rusty on this, but I will try to answer any questions you may have in getting Linux to run on the DOC if I can. kNiTe-oWl 04-03-2002 00:45:55

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Jester Profile Knight_Owl- Very cool! Berdman and I were working on QNX last night, but we couldn't get the install to run from DOS. We eventually ran out of ideas. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to see your work. Glitch- We were unable to get the netier to boot off of the DOC with the HDD installed. Is this what you've found as well? I didn't have a chance to test whether the DOC is addressable when booting off of the HDD, since I still don't have an image on the HDD. If the DOC is addressable, it might be the perfect place to tell windows to hibernate to. the DOC is larger than the RAM, so it should work. Any thoughts? 04-03-2002 06:59:03

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile note! if you trying a linux build to boot from a doc ,don't use lilo , but do use plilo there were topic on that somewhere in iopener,websurfer,webplayer section,do a search by that message keyword 04-03-2002 11:34:27

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile if you're looking for 44pin ide ribbon cable? go to http://stores.yahoo.com/cablesonline/2544pinidela.html it is cheapest 10inch for 7.99 and they come in 3 size 2",5",10" that's where i bought the 2" for alpha multia 04-03-2002 14:50:48

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile fyi! if you want to make a linux bootable from doc ,you will need to compile the kernel with disk-on-chip 2000 enabled along with nftl support and instead of /dev/hsa1, etc it use /dev/nftla1 ,2 ,3 ,4 so linux will be able to know where the root is on :) im modifying the midiori build from iopener sure it did boot but stopped at that kernel panic(it's /dev/nftla4 instead of /dev/hda4 :) im one step closer to making 16mb doc image i took 16mb doc from my websurfer pro to plug in netier for testing 04-03-2002 23:00:38

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Any recommendations on memory. Saw on an earlier post .75" of a height restriction meaning chips should be horizontal instead of vertically placed. 04-04-2002 05:39:29

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) dozens Profile | Email Phew, just got done reading the 250+ messages on the two thin client threads...lots of great stuff posted; thank you everyone. I am waiting the arrival of my netier and trying to get a head start on all the things I want to do it. Some comments and questions below. Comments/questions - Thanks to whoever mentioned VNC, this will let me acces my netier from my PC and iPAQ (pda). - LRP on DOC sounds really interesting. How much space do you estimate will be left on the DOC ? I have no experience with LRP and little with building linux. Will LRP support a JVM ? I want to keep my netier on 24/7 and have it run various java programs I have written. - Which CPU can I upgrade to without having to drill/cut holes in the netier for a bigger fan ? Is the Lasagna fan easy to install ? - Memory upgrade...has anyone done them ? Where is the best place to buy the proper sizes dimm ? 04-04-2002 14:16:13

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) makehell Profile I use a dial gauge and measured the DIMM to be 0.825 inches high. Figuring that the top of the heatsink is the maximum height for reasonable clearance, the top of the installed DIMM to the top of the highest point on the heatsink is about 0.071 inch. This makes the maxium DIMM height to be about 0.9". If you find a 1" DIMM you might be able to sand 1/10" off the top. Office Depot had some 64MB DIMMS that appeared to be 1". This measurement was hampered by the DIMM sealed in the bubble pack. One problem with this DIMM is that despite the horizontal orientation, some board traces were above the chips and sanding that much would probably sand off the topmost trace or two. PeterR 04-04-2002 22:03:00

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile makehell, that's correct i poped in a 1" 128mb pc133 dimm in and the cover fit perfectly i'd say 1" is about 15/16 or 7/8" i did discuss about that while back in past posting on thinclient topic :) 04-05-2002 00:41:28

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Jester Profile vwbug19- are you running WinXPE with the stock 64MB of RAM or have you upgraded and, if you're using 64MB, how is the performance? I'd like to try running it with 64MB RAM, and using the DOC as a place to hibernate to. This won't work if my RAM is bigger than my DOC, so I'm curious to know if XPE will run well with 64MB. Also, I'm having no luck finding tiny RAM to upgrade with, so I may be stuck with 64MB for a while. Glitch- did you say you have one of those VFD displays on the way? I have one, and I'm working on a cable to interface it with the parallel port. This cable is well documented on the 'net, but it still takes a bit of work to build. Perhaps we could compare notes on the subject? Let me know. 04-05-2002 07:16:08

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile in case you didn't read my previous post ,ye im using 1 128mb pc133 dimm in the box i did use both 128mb and orginal 64mb in netier for cool 192mb but at boot time it reports 190mb it is because of overhead taken by vga section note! you can't use syslinux(i had trouble with linuxcare rescue cd) it is because it needs at least 608k dos ,somewhat that other part were also taken by vga too! why did they desgin the motherboard with vga ram be in your memory modules instead of onboard 04-05-2002 17:05:12

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) makehell Profile vwbug19, You're right. I finally got my cables today so I can now thread a laptop extension cable though the compact flash knockout panel and put a 3.5" drive outside. With the cover back on and the dial gauage resting on the top, pressing down on the case to force it to touch the heatsink, yielded another 0.1" of clearance. The absolute maxium is right at 1.0". Now where did you get that 128MB module? All the ones I've seen have vertical chips and exceed 1 inch. PeterR 04-05-2002 18:00:11

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Reverend_Jones Profile For low profile 1 inch dimms up to 256M : http://www.kingmax.com/PC150/150english_series.htm 04-05-2002 18:46:54

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile anyone know the chs of 72mb doc? midiori is a pain in the butt trying to get it to work on doc i compiled the 2.4.6 kernel with doc support and nftl support and edited the midiori setting to point to /dev/nflta1 and flashed it to doc and booted up linux but stops at kernel panic it was trying to find the root= yes i did see the partition check nftla:nftla1 nftla3 nftla4 the nftla2 is not used anyone experienced that problem? 04-06-2002 13:22:06

RE:thin client #2 (pci riser card) (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile Could someone point me in the right direction? I want to get the PCI riser card form my netier to add an ethernet port. I did do searches for riser cards. There are diffrent types. I do not know what type I need. thanks jay 04-06-2002 19:34:41

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) skydiver Profile 4/7/02 The new hardware wizard did pop up and detect the realtek ethernet chip. I had drivers for network, sound and video on another partition, and just pointed to the network Dir. I then manualy right clicked on the Viaudio.inf file and installed. Tried the right click on the vid .inf and got the message about how newer drivers were installed. ""did win98se says anything about adding new hardware at login screen when you change the hd from io to netier? if no? then it's confirmed that io and netier are basically the same hardware chipset"" 04-07-2002 14:12:07

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Jester: I usually boot from the hard drive when the both the DOC and hard drive are installed. I haven't tried booting from the DOC with both DOC & HD installed on the Netier. I have done this on other systems with DOC's. The problem is that I don't remember what I had to do to make it work. It may have been a BIOS setting or possibly configuring the DOC using the M-System tools. If I can remember I'll let you know. I don't usually use the hibernate mode (i.e. dump RAM to hard drive). It is usually too slow for the amounts of memory that I typically install. I can usually do a shutdown/cold boot faster than a memory dump/restore. The speed of the DOC won't help the situation. I usually either leave a machine on 24/7 or shut it down completely. Then again, I'm not the typical PC user <g>. I ordered a few of the VF displays. One of them came in last week. I've been real busy at work and haven't had a chance to do anything with it. My only impression so far is that it is bigger than I expected. We should start a new thread if these things have any potential. If you would rather discuss these via email, leave an address in you post or in your profile. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 04-07-2002 16:41:58

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hmm..... is there a program for the netier to disable the pxe loading so i can free up the lower memory region so i can boot syslinux ,it is true that syslinux doesn't like pxe loaded i remember i used to run a program that setup the ne2000 card but this netier use realtek 8139b 04-07-2002 19:28:23

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile may i ask you to remove that win98 folder from ftp://netier:netier@rebellands.net/ becuase you may have volaited the msoft copyrighted better watch out that win98 folder contain win98 install cd copy 04-07-2002 19:48:30

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile stupid stupid storagesoft web site(imagecast and pxe server) will not redirect me to imagecast registration and i tried emaling webmaster and geuss what? the email adress bounced back how can i get my hand on that stupid eval license to get the pxe server installed!,anyone have that eval license plz post that :) 04-07-2002 21:58:57

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i have uploaded the stock netier bios image :) it is named netier.bin on ftp://netier:netier@rebellands.net so those can view or hack it i pulled that image using awardflash 7.61 :) you can use cbrom or modbin on them ,if you want to get rid of netier logo or change the logo to nicer one the cbrom is the one 04-08-2002 01:40:20

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i have uploaded the stock netier bios image :) it is named netier.bin on ftp://netier:netier@rebellands.net so those can view or hack it i pulled that image using awardflash 7.61 :) you can use cbrom or modbin on them ,if you want to get rid of netier logo or change the logo to nicer one the cbrom is the one and one more thing did you know redhat had pxe server rpm file starting with v6.1 to 7.2 ? i have it and uploaded there :) downloading 88k rpm was a biggest pain in the butt cause rh server were too busy and mirror sites had directory of redhat that didnt exist jez! 4 frigging hours to find the active redhat ftp site! 04-08-2002 01:42:55

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) car9c1 Profile Anyone think about using one of these 144meg or 112meg DOC's? http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=diskonchip&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&combine=y Double the space! Tom http://www.9c1.net 04-08-2002 06:48:56

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile car9c1: IMHO, it is cheaper/better to use a 44-pin IDE to CF adapter and a CF card if you want more capacity. The DOC's are nice, but they have their limitations and are expensive. With the CF adapter you will eliminate the real mode DOC driver problems because you are using the IDE controller to access the CF. Power management will also be much easier. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 04-08-2002 08:12:35

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl Profile vwbug19- You can use syslinux without disabling anything. It just depends on what version of the syslinux you are using. I am running version 1.66 on mine and it works just fine with everything on. Everything is still in development so I leave PXE enable and can boot to the network for files and utilities or just press ESC during the PXE boot to start from the DOC using syslinux. kNiTe-oWl 04-08-2002 08:36:02

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) makehell Profile Did anybody notice that the T-3000 Flatline at www.emulatorshop.com is the same thing as the Netier 1000XL, but with the USB ports at front and a power switch on back? Their price is not as nice, but still decent if you missed out on the bargain rounds. The documention pdf is identical to Netier's. You might be able to get riser cards, etc from them. I hope to receive today, a Dell riser card form PCliquidators that only cost me $3. If it doesn't work, no real loss. If it does then I'm adding firewire. PeterR 04-08-2002 10:13:55

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile knite_owl i'm talking about trying to install linux from boot cd,ill try newer syslinux by floppy method makehell, try the riser from websurfer pro they do work ,ive tested mine and had success it must have both pci/isa slot on riser and the contacts on the card that plug in is inentical to eisa card type 04-08-2002 11:47:36

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile t3000 flatline sure looks intentical but one one big diffrence is it has TV OUT function! damn,it's 179 bucks! btw i ran winxpe and in display setting i notice there were 2 display vga and possible phantom tv perhap we can compare where the missing tv out circuit and maybe add them? the t2000 is similar to xl2000 but mobo layout bit diffrent 04-08-2002 12:17:22

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile thanks makehell, I just ordered the memory and the riser card from www.emulatorshop.com. The price is higher but I am sure this card will work in our netier :) I could not find any memory that is 1" or smaller so at $22 for something that will fit I got it too. thanks again. I will let you all know if the riser card works! and if it does work I will post some pictures :) jay 04-08-2002 16:05:32

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) makehell Profile vwbug19, Well, no joy in Netierville tonite. The Dell riser was too long. I noticed the TV function in Windows 98SE's Display control panel. It would really be nice to get that extra function, since I intend to eventually use the netier as a headless fileserver and mpeg player. TV then could serve for the occasional updating. BTW, I didn't find the buy link fo the riser on emulatorshop. How much was it? PeterR 04-08-2002 16:30:45

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile makehell , if you want to see what riser card look like it looks same as websurfer pro riser card here's the url http://www.emulatorshop.com/images/Accessories/T-2000%20Riser%20Card%20with%20Text.jpg and they do have a floppy drive for sale at http://216.36.236.148/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=T1-FLOP&Category_Code=EA :) it's 18.00! but as for the riser card you'll have to call them and i know dell riser card is diffrent as older acer riser card do too 04-09-2002 00:07:14

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile never mind , i found the link to riser card is at http://216.36.236.148/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=T2RC&Category_Code=MPS2 it's 14.00 t-2000 line they have 44pin cdrom kit too at ,whoo! check out the list at /http://216.36.236.148/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=E&Category_Code=MPS2 ! it's got 64mb ram stick ,cpu amdk6-2 550mhz ,etc ,etc just we needed! im ordering that cpu! 04-09-2002 00:12:19

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) jayklm Profile Looking at the manuals for the T3000 at www.emulatorshop.com it seems that the T3000 slim-line is the netier :) http://www.emulatorshop.com/files/DOCS/T3/T3000_admin.pdf 04-09-2002 17:52:26

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile yes at emulatorshop they do carry the low profile cpu fan that is used for t2000 also fit in t3000 too that's what description said ,mine is on the way with 550mhz cpu :) 04-09-2002 19:39:55

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) RocketFuel Profile Has anyone found a source for the low-profile RAM? Everything I have found is just a bit too tall. 04-10-2002 05:01:43

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) badbadx Profile | Email ok 2 things. 1) How the heck are you guys running ghostpe.exe? It keeps telling me personal edition doesn't let you install images off networked drives. Or am I just doing something totally wrong here, I'm booting, then "net use Z: \server\imagesdir" 2) In my angry and totally frustrated geek rage, I booted and fdisked the partitions away, thinking i could just make another one. How does one put partitions back on the DOC? :) help would be much obliged and even beer could be involved, if you're in Si Valley of course 04-10-2002 09:13:15

They have the full line at Baber.com, but prices are MUCH higher (modified 0 times) itsvincer Profile | Email Look under ultraslim barebones systems at baber.com and see their permutations. They have always been overpriced though; makes you wonder who buys from them. 04-10-2002 10:32:40

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i finally found a way to get the eval license for pxe from storagesoft.com ,it turns out they inccorrectly made the url adress so i copy,pasted and deleted part of it and it work the url http://www.storagesoft.com/downloads/register/45eval.asp?location=ftp://ftp.storagesoftsolutions.com/updates/IC46_eval.exe should be http://www.storagesoft.com/downloads/register/45eval.asp? good luck on it 04-10-2002 13:15:33

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile VWBUG19: The floppy you link to is just a normal floppy and will not work in the netier. The emulator shop T-1000 was just a bookpc type system from the looks of it. It was actually a Safari Plus Databook from FIC but the case is a pretty average book pc case. The emulator shop t-2000 looks to be a variation of netier's t-2000 stripped down. Of course they will sell you all the missine parts like the riser and cdrom seperately. Emulator shop's t-3000 actually looks to be the netier t-1000 in black. It has the same floppy or no floppy versions. They sell the floppy for their T-2000 which should work in our t-1000 at this link: http://216.36.236.148/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=T2FLOP&Category_Code=MPS2 They also sell low profile memory at 64m for $22 at this link: http://216.36.236.148/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=T2RAM64&Category_Code=MPS2 Now I have to decide if I want to buy a floppy and make a new case for my t-1000 to hold a floppy and cdrom (I already have) or just live with the internal disk. I am building a NAS server for my home network and I also want it for cross compiling linux for my ARM based ipaq and zaurus. PeteB 04-10-2002 16:19:40

RE:thin client #2 (modified 0 times) mbaha Profile codeman gave us a forum just for thin clients Thanks Codeman http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&Board=ThinClient&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Session=mbaha.10184858192969 hack your own you will love it more 04-10-2002 17:45:00

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