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T-200 (modified 0 times) digger48 Profile I've been lurking since the early I-Opener days, but kept to myself until now. I had to work in Ohio this week and left an E-mail for Medina Tech. He said stop by - so I spent a couple of hours today looking at his toys and picking up my T-200. Great toy - get one if you haven't already. The seller is a great guy who just wants to spread these around. He says he started with 1600 and couldn't sell them at $25.00. He dropped them to $14.99 and they are flying out of his shop - he's down to around 700. The thing that impressed me was the amount of time he spends to make sure these work before he ships. He had a stack that "didn't meet his standards" sitting by the door. He says he's going to dump these in groups of 10 - 20 when he starts to run low on 100% units. He doesn't pull any punches and admits that some of the screens have scratches, but I saw stack of units that he had culled for bad screens, so you can expect a reasonably good one. I've only had mine for a few hours, I'll post more after I've played with it some more. So far, I;m having fun with the handwriting recognition and the pre-loaded games. 07-17-2002 20:29:02

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) ranman Profile The ones I have are pretty good. $15.00 is a good price for them. I took one of them apart just to see what is inside. The dx2 is a 40MHz and is soldered to the motherboard. The drive is a very tiny 1.8" model. It does have the standard 44pin connector on it. You can remove the HD from the bottom of the case by removing the one screw. Also there is the cmos/date battery (which is dead in 2 of mine). Just pull straight up on the metal lever and it comes out easily. I connected it up to my computer in a usb external case, and it came up no problem. It is a 80meg drive. Doublespace is running on it. Now I have an easy way of putting files on it. If anyone wants pictures, let me know before I put it back together. I only have it partially disassembled though. ranman 07-17-2002 22:50:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) eraph Profile | Email By the way, could you tell us what a T-200 is ? I've searched in the whole BBS and couldn't find any information about it. Are there any links to more information/specs ? Thanks a lot 07-18-2002 00:43:01

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) eraph Profile | Email By the way, could you tell us what a T-200 is ? I've searched in the whole BBS and couldn't find any information about it. Are there any links to more information/specs ? Thanks a lot 07-18-2002 00:43:10

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile can you email me the address of that place and i do live nearby! :) that tiny hard drive is worth it :) and also their url if exist to vwbug19@copper.net 07-18-2002 07:47:56

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) tcbordp Profile eraph: Look at the thread above this one about the ibm 730. At the end of the thread they are talking about the t-200. It is a toshoiba dynapad t-200. They are color (640x480x256) pen based tablets with a 486dx2-40, 80m hd and a couple pcmcia slots. I had a monochrome one a while back. They are pretty solid but not terribly fast. Best left with win3.x or something of that vintage. PeteB 07-18-2002 12:17:40

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email I guess this must be a Toshiba Dynapad T200, the 2nd-generation pen-based slate machine built by Toshiba way back in 1993-94, just as the first pen-computing bubble was dying down (Everybody and his uncle jumped on pen computing, and companies like Go, Momenta, General Magic, as well as respectable corporates like IBM and Toshiba, had huge pen-computing programs going on, which were all killed off by 1995). But I digress. The T200 was the successor to the T100x, which had a 386sx CPU and retailed for $4395 (no typo). I got my T100x (actually, a pair) in 1995 at an early online auction (OnSale) for $150 each. I've used it for some years for playing board games, primarily chess and scrabble, but its limited CPU power and small hard disk (originally 40 MB, now 85 MB) limited its usability. The T200 was nearly identical to the T100x, but had a 486DX2/40, so it was less sluggish. But the HD limitation and short battery life remained. Some parts are interchangable, but not the battery or the pen. With a PCMCIA 802.11 card, these could probably be used for some Home Control/X10 applications as a 'fat' remote. They were nice machines for their time, but don't come close to a Panasonic CF01, which incidentally was one of the last machines from the 'first-wave' of pen computing, debuting in 1995 if I remember right. The big problem with the T100x is that the pen is an active pen, requiring 4 tiny watch batteries. They run out fairly quickly, so there is a recurring cost to running this unit. 07-18-2002 12:37:29

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile for 486dx40mhz cpu you might try midiori linux on 80mb hd and be happy 07-18-2002 17:08:27

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) ameyerstein Profile I ordered and received 2. Both good condition; one screen has a very small/irrelevant scratch. I wish there were batteries available, as well. The seller was very professional and very fast. I hope to try this out as an automation remote, maybe instead of using Audrey (though I didn't realize before that "pen-based" meant you could not use your finger, it's still lightweight and reasonably sleek, especially for $15). Does anyone know if the screen and drivers pose a barrier to installing linux? 07-18-2002 17:47:24

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) trout Profile Ah, medinatech has batteries back in stock for $6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2039567595 Does anyone know how to get into the bios? None of the keypresses I tried seemed to work. Thanks, Trout 07-19-2002 00:10:58

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile I have a question. Is there a proper i/o port to attach anything that could be used to get sound into and out of these things? 07-19-2002 04:56:55

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) dozens Profile | Email vwbug19 - I too was thinking of giving Midori a try on one of these units. Speaking of Midori, did you manage to get it on your Netier ? 07-19-2002 07:37:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile dozens, no it was unsucessfull for midiori on netier cause kernel compiled with mdoc has trouble reonizing the doc even i tried 3 diffrent size doc chip and i feelsthat newer kernel after 2.4.8 is screwed on doc2000 support but i think it will work on t200 as it use real hard drive instead of disk on chip :) but one caveat is we have to figure out to set up the touchscreen under linux(don't know what brand touchscreen was used in these t-200?) funny thing is t-200 sound more like the movie terminator 2(yep terminator 3 is coming soon!) 07-19-2002 09:20:17

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) jhd3rd Profile I need another toy like I need a hole in the head, but for this price I guess I'll have to get one. I've been thinking about how to get software and drivers on it. Does Win3.1 have a terminal program? If so, you could just use a null modem cable to another machine and use a xmodem or zmodem transfer. You could also remove the drive and attach it to another machine and put the files directly on the drive. 07-19-2002 10:54:23

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email The drive is a special 1.8" drive, with a standard 2.5" notebook connector. However, it is right-angled, so most 2.5" to 3.5" adapters won't fit. You can rig one up with a few flex-cables, etc. It's probably easier to boot into DOS and use intersvr/interlnk. Resize and repartition with fips, partition magic (pqmagict.exe) and/or edpart. Use a loadlin-based install (slackware can do this) from DOS. The main hassle is that 85 MB is too small for all the temporary space needed for these tricks. In the early days of Linux, there was a distribution from spain/portugal that included kernel 1.0.9, X and gcc that fit on a 40 MB umsdos file system. Dig around to locate that image, there's no reason it won't work. It's available as a single ZIP file that is simply unzipped into a dos directory called \linux. 07-19-2002 12:43:06

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) digger48 Profile Contact Medina Tech about a Linux install. The day I was there, he mentioned that an employee had done this. He might be willing to share. 07-19-2002 13:03:45

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email I found a link to a binary pen driver for X for the T200 at: http://hwr.nici.kun.nl/pen-computing/pen-computing-formats.html This seems to be a modified Wacom driver. The source must also be around somewhere. 07-19-2002 13:16:56

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Here's a link to XKeyCaps, which among other things, can simulate a virtual pop-up keyboard on X. Not sure if it will fit on a 640x480 screen, though. The author wrote this before he attained fame as a Netscape/Mozilla veteran. http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ 07-19-2002 13:24:50

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Forget the previous link, this one is probably much better, and exactly right for this application: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/tsato/xvkbd/ It's a GPLed small virtual keyboard popup for X. 07-19-2002 13:31:40

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) trout Profile There is also xkbd, which you can find here: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/ It goes along nicely with the matchbox window manager, by the same author. Designed for linux on ipaqs, it should run with little modification on our T-200. There's also xstroke: http://www.east.isi.edu/projects/DSN/xstroke/ Trout 07-19-2002 15:29:18

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email I just got the 2 T200's I ordered, and they are Very Very Cool Units. I am very Impressed with the Color Display Quality and runs very fast with the Win 3.1 Pen version on it. Actually it seems usuable with Windows 3.1, and there is literelly 1000's of great programs to work on it already, so I am going to do some research on the Internet and see what I can dig up to do the following : 1. Run some type on a PCMCIA Network Card (WIndows 3.1 Drivers needed for it also ) 2. Install some Upgrade to Windows 3.1 to allow TPC/IP networking. 3. Install Calmira, this upgrades 3.1 to work almost identical to windows 95. Does anyone know of any older PCMCIA NIC's that would work with Win 3.1 ? -Musicman38 07-20-2002 11:15:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile the Orinoco silver/gold wireless card _should_ work, as they do have DOS drivers. you can download the Microsoft Network Client for DOS, which should take care of the TCP/IP. I'm attempting to configure my Orinoco wireless card to work on a T200, but so far, I've had no luck. My memory of the old DOS days is pretty flakey (I drank more back then), and I'm having a hard time remembering how to do this old DOS type stuff. If anyone can help, please let me know. My kid wants his new Dynapad on the network! Mike 07-20-2002 12:06:23

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email The 3Com 3cxe589et 10BaseT NIC with X-Jack RJ42 connector should work. This NIC is my favorite for notebooks and handhelds, since it has no dongle to break and fits in a single slot, and is well-supported in Linux and most flavors of Windoze (useful for dual-boot configurations). 07-20-2002 13:05:12

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile here's the url http://www.laptopparts.com/show.asp?brand=Toshiba&model=DynaPad+T200CS check out the accessories ,including a floppy drive!!!! im waiting for my 2 order locally and yep ebay sale was down to 9 left as of moment 07-20-2002 15:29:43

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email The unit is Fantastic !!! Do I sound Happy (Like a Kid with a new Toy)!!! Has anyone played with the pen software, very impressive for the age of this unit. I loaded mine up with some older Win 3.1 games (There are thousands avialiable as freeware) then using a CF Card, and with my CF to PCMCIA adaptor transfered software and games to the unit. I totally enjoyed the experiance of sitting on the couch playing games with the pen as a controller. The unit operates very fast with the old Windows 3.1 software. BTW: My Battery holds an amazing strong charge lasting almost 3 continus hours before it needs a recharge. Can't believe it only cost $15 plus the $6 battery.. What a deal !!! 07-21-2002 16:22:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) bmurphr1 Profile Small question...the Calmira website wasn't too informative to me. From what I gather, it looks like it makes 3.1 look like 95, but still remains a 16-bit OS only capable of running 16-bit apps, right? Thanks. 07-21-2002 22:41:14

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile I broke down and ordered one. i wasn't going to but i figured for $15 musicman38 made it sound good so i went for it. My question is, does this guy give a break on shipping when you order the unit and a battery at the same time? 07-22-2002 06:32:21

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email bmurphr1, From what I read Calmira gives Windows 3.1 the same GUI as Windows 95. Drag and drop, File Manager, and some other nice features. Don't think it allows one to run 32bit applications.. 07-22-2002 08:11:36

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email Adam714, I screwed my order up trying to get the discounted shipping on multiple items, but I emailed Tom at Medinatech and he fixed the order. Basically he charges $10 for the first unit and $1.5 for any other item added to the order.. BTW: You'll love this unit, I am enjoying the whole windows 3.1 experiance all over again (Grin..).. I am so impressed with built in Microsoft Note Manager (A MS Outlook type program) and pen capabilities , I may start to use it in the field as I work, to keep appts and customer contact information. I can upload data to my main pc through the CF card.. This unit was actually designed to be used in the field for data collection, customer contact, order taking.. There is a program already loaded in it, I have not played with it yet. But the Pen functions (Writing converted to text) is way better then my Fijitsu Pen Tablet running windows 98 ? Go Figure.. I'm not sure it will do very well running windows 95 like some want to do, as all the RAM it has is 12MB and 80MB Hard Drive. But there is so much cool software already written for win 3.1, 1000's to choose from, why even try to change it.. It's a great Toy just as it is. And very fast with it older OS.. -Musicman38 07-22-2002 08:27:20

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile cool, thanks for the info. Another new toy. My wife will be so happy (sarcasm) 07-22-2002 11:16:26

RE:T-200 (modified 1 times) rlyacht Profile Where are you guys buying these for so little??? I tried looking at http://medinatech.com but didn't see anything for sale. 07-24-2002 12:04:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile see the url http://www.stores.ebay.com/medinatech/plistings/list/all/dept1/index.html good luck! i havent recived them yet probably tommorrow or thursday since i live just 40 miles from the seller:) no wonder digger48 did visit him i tried to ask him for a local visit and he won't give me address so the pickup can be arreanged darn that would have saved me the ups cost 07-24-2002 12:34:30

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile Hurray! Good news! I got windows 95 installed onto one of my units with ***working pen drivers*** AND pen services 2.0 It's a bit slower than the win3.1 that's was on it (to be expected), but still quite usable. I'll write up a how-to and post it on my website along with the required files needed to get the pen working. Mikehell 07-24-2002 15:12:41

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) MedinaTech Profile I've been lurking for about a week now since digger48 paid me a visit. Gotta tell you I'm very pleased with the support you all have given us with this "toy" Thought I'd put you all up date about a few things that have changed for us. Unfortunately, we've had to raise our shipping prices due to an increase by our packing material supplier. I've done my best to keep it reasonable....and for those of you who have bought from us, you already know we do everything in our power to take care of our customers!! Also, I don't know how long we'll have these available.....I have two different companies that are making offers on all of the pentops and accessories we have available. If that comes to pass, I'll be sure to post a "last minute, buy what you can get" note on here. More pentops and accessories will be posted this afternoon with the new shipping prices after our eBay store clears. Thanks again!!! 07-25-2002 12:11:23

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Care to tell us how you got 95 going, or where you got pen services, etc. from? I just got my units in today, very impressed. One is like brand new. The other is a little rough, but acceptable. Neat machine. I could almost see using it as-is, but the handwriting recognition is S-L-O-W to translate. If it was a little lighter or a little smaller, I could see carrying it around with me. Has a spot for a shoulder strap though. I could see all sorts of cool uses for this thing. Also, does anyone think a Compact flash to 44pin IDE adaptor would be a good replacement for the HD? A 256MB card and an adaptor probably wouldn't break the bank... 07-26-2002 08:39:01

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<Care to tell us how you got 95 going>>> First, let me stress that upgrading a dynapad to win95 is NOT reccomended unless you really need to run 32bit software. Win95 is DOG SLOW on a dynapad (we're talking 40Mhz here, not 400Mhz or 1.4Ghz!). Win95 *does* run on it, but it's a bit painfull. I set up one of mine to run win95 so I could install my wireless network card and run netstumbler for wardriving use. Installation was a pain, but that was mostly due to the stupid mistakes I kept making. What's needed is a compact flash card and CF to PCMCIA adapter. I did my upgrade using a NON UPGRADE version of windows. I used win95B (OSR2), but I would reccomend using version A if you can find a copy, since windows gets progressivly larger with each release. You'll also need a keyboard (PS/2 connector) and a *serial* mouse. First you'll need to delete enough stuff from the dynapad to make room for the install. so put the CF onto the adapter, and move your windows directory to the CF card (in case you want to revert to win3.1). You may then remove or move the following directories to the CF card RYKOFF - this is the database from the company that used to have the machine. You can delete it. Note: the data is not encrypted, so if you're currious to look at the data, it's pretty easy to do. Games - if you dont plan on keeping the games, delete it. Otherwise move it to the CF card so you can copy it back later LL5 - this is laplink. Since we can transfer stuff via CF card, you don't really need this. This should make enough room to install W95. Now, put the CF card into your CF reader on your desktop and move your windows folder to your desktop. If you don't do this, when you try to install windows the installer will see this folder on the card and think you're upgrading and not installing from scratch. Copy the W95 install files onto it. Pop the CF into the adapter, plug it in to the dynapad and it should be seen as a drive. Now, bootu pu the dynapad, edit your autoexec.bat to rem out the line at the end that starts windows, and rem out the ramdrive line to free up some extra memory. reboot. go to the drive the CF card is in. Note: If you removed the RAMDRIVE, the drive letter of the CF card will move up one letter since the RAMDRIVE is no longer there. Now, just run the win95 install as usual. Pick a compact instalation, or custom install, and install as few options as possible. <<< or where you got pen services, etc. from?>>> Once you get win95 up and going... I've put the proper drivers up for download at http://toyhacking.com/dynapad unzip these and copy to your CF card. Go to CONTROL PANEL | ADD REMOVE PROGRAMS click the WINDOWS SETUP tab Click HAVE DISK navigate to the place on the CF card where you put the Pen Sevices files check the box next to pen services, click ok, reboot when prompted. When Windows boots up you will not get a choice of Dynapad. select the Wacom SD510C (you should be able to choose any tablet). Start regedit (Be very carefull while in the regedit.) go to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD folder and delete the VPEND folder. go to the regedit file menu and select import then select the toshiba.reg file then also import the barrelev.reg file now exit regedit and copy vpendc.vxd to Windows\system\vmm32 reboot, and your pen should be working. Have fun 07-26-2002 11:20:55

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Sweet! I'm had already started win95 from the CF... Another tip; you'll probably not have enough XMS to get setup rolling, just rem out smart drive in autoexec, and your win95 install will take off. I don't need speed, and I think I'll be getting the memory upgrade, so... Thanks a lot! 07-26-2002 11:28:51

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<< the handwriting recognition is S-L-O-W to translate. >>> you can change the delay time for the translation. Basicaly, it waits a specific period of time after you stop writing before it translates. This way, it doesn't try to translate while your'e in the middle of a sentence (or word). You AREN'T going to get it to translate much faster that it already does (linux may be faster, but I have no experience there). Win95 pen services seems to be even slower. <<<Also, does anyone think a Compact flash to 44pin IDE adaptor would be a good replacement for the HD? A 256MB card and an adaptor probably wouldn't break the bank...>>> Don't do this if you're running a Windows OS. Compact Flash memory bits can only be written to a certain number of times. While this number is very high (in the 100K+ to one million range) it is meant to be used in applications like digital cameras where you would need to take hunreds of thousands of pictures to wear it out. However, since the Dynapad has limited memory, it'll use the swap file like crazy. It'll burn out your CF card in a matter of days, if not hours. There is a company that makes a solid state drive with a 44pin IDE connector on it that uses memory that can be rewritten many more more times. Can't remember the URl at the moment. but I seem to remember a link on the page that allowed you to request "eval units". I assume that if you fill out the form with the right answers and make it look like your a MFG, you may be able to score a free unit or two. Do this at your OWN RISK. YMMV and all those other disclaimers apply here. 07-26-2002 11:37:46

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<Another tip; you'll probably not have enough XMS to get setup rolling, just rem out smart drive in autoexec, and your win95 install will take off. I don't need speed, and I think I'll be getting the memory upgrade, so... Thanks a lot! >>> I've already GOT the mem upgrade, and it's STILL slow. Apps take 10 seconds to 30 seconds to open sometimes. Internet Explorer does work, but it's also dog slow. Gonna try getting my 802.11b card working in DOS and try loading a browser in win 3.1 to see if i can get the speed any better. Mike 07-26-2002 11:41:52

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile I'm getting an error about a file that seems to be releated to the floppy drive on the "preparing directory" step, did you get this? What's the solution? I can't seem to get into the BIOS again and enable\disable the floppy. 07-26-2002 12:29:36

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Never mind... It's not related to the floppy, I think it's just a memory issue. 07-26-2002 12:36:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile Is the error something like "Can not read from drive X: please make sure the disk is in the drive, and the door is closed" ?? I got this error quite a few times when I attempted to install a copy of Win95A that we found on some floppies and copied to the CF card. My theory is that the floppy disk based install of W95a can't be copied to a single directory and installed. Perhaps it's because of the weird 1.8k formatting of the win95A disks or something. I ended up just using an ORS2 version from a CD, which worked just fine. 07-26-2002 13:46:35

RE:T-200 (modified 1 times) adam714 Profile Well, i got screwed. I got a non-working unit. I got a power light and that's it. I hear a slight sound of the HD spinning up then thats it. From reading the posts here, i did not expect this at all. I thought these units were at tested first. MedinaTech, if your lurking out there, thanks. 07-26-2002 15:17:41

RE:T-200 (modified 1 times) ranman Profile On 2 of mine the CMOS battery was dead so I had to hit enter when it booted. Also, could yours be one that was last used with an external monitor? I fiddled with the settings on one of my dynapads and I think nothing came up unless I had the external monitor attached. When I made my order, since I was concerned about the same possible problem, I ordered 3, as I figured at least 1 would be useable, just like with the parts audreys a while back. Fortunately, all 3 dynapads worked (and all 3 audreys worked for that matter too). Maybe open up the little panel on the back and try reseating the hard drive? Good luck. ranman 07-26-2002 16:57:11

RE:T-200 (modified 1 times) adam714 Profile I tried external video, external keyboard, hitting the reset button, reseating hard drive, ac adapter without battery, battery without av, both. I get nothing. i can't believe this. Am i the only one who got hosed for $32? I guess i got one of the ones that were "sitting by the door" 07-26-2002 17:28:49

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<I tried external video, external keyboard, hitting the reset button, reseating hard drive, ac adapter without battery, battery without av, both.>>> Did you try contacting Tom at Medinatech ? He's been pretty cool about things so far, and his ad doesn't say AS-IS anywhere. Give him a call or shoot him an email. My bet is that he'll replace your unit. 07-26-2002 17:34:18

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile actually it does say as-is... "This is an Auction, as with Most Auctions, all Items we list are sold AS-IS, No Warranty, No Returns, No Tech Support. If your item has a warranty with the Manufacturer, please direct all correspondence to them!" but i will give it a shot and hope you are right 07-26-2002 17:38:38

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) digger48 Profile adam148 - I'd really try to get in touch with Tom about the dead? unit. He was really cool when I was there and he made a point that he stood behind his product - give him a chance. We need more people like him and BadFlash, let's not go off and dump on him for a possible mistake. 07-26-2002 18:25:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) digger48 Profile Man, It's been a LONG week - sorry about the wrong handle. 07-26-2002 18:26:30

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile i sent him an e-mail and am awaiting a response. As you can imagine, i am very frustrated. Especially since everyone here has been so happy with there units and here i am. I sent tom an e-mail and am hoping for the best. I'd be more than happy to ship the defective unit back to him. I do understand that these things happen. 07-26-2002 19:05:28

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Win95b running, pen working finally... Sure is slow. Working on wireless now. My hope is that I can hack down 95 to fit in 75MB with some sort of web browser (maybe Arachne) so I can get rid of that damn doublespace. I've used many machines this speed with this much RAM... it should be way faster. It's doublespace that's slowing it down. 07-26-2002 19:28:29

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you ever tried win98lite program that really does trimming and paring the os down toas small as 16mb ,it had been done for websurfer,iopener,etc see the search topic with keyword win98lite ive tried that and it does works on my laptop and the pentuim 133 seems to run faster 07-26-2002 21:33:27

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) yellow2 Profile | Email yeah 80mb is more than you need to install Win98lite with the W95 core with drivespace, although of course the challenge would be to put this physically on the HD. It seems you can't hook up the HD to a desktop ? Can you maybe boot from the CF ? $15 sure aint' much dough ! 07-26-2002 22:26:42

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Happy to report; Deleted help files, all accessories, etc. from Win95b, was able to decompress the drive. It's like a whole new machine now, only takes a second or two to bring up My Computer and navigate. I got wireless working too. I hope someone comes up with a linux solution for my second unit ;) 07-27-2002 04:55:51

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile i am happy to report that Tom is sending me a replacement unit. Needless to say, i feel much better now. Thanks Tom. and thanks guys for the advice. 07-27-2002 07:19:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) MedinaTech Profile Just a quick post guys....I guess it's in my definition of "as is". The pentops are advertised as working....if they don't work when you receive them, I'll replace them. Actually the disclaimer protects us from novices who try to reload them or don't have any idea of what they are buying. From what I've read on this board....you guys know twice as much about these things than I do!! BTW....met vwbug19 today......great guy!!! Tom 07-27-2002 07:46:30

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile whoo! i picked up 2 of em' localy and i got a few pc card drivers transfered via nullmodem but it didnt have zmodem so im stuck at slow transfer in xmodem :) the drivers were for dlink netork and a 56k modem plus pc card laptop cd intresting thing about the medinatech guy had very neat garage full of laptops,etc and he is well organized even the database i see that is from ebay sales of stuffs :) cool i got 2 extra hd 07-27-2002 13:13:02

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<Happy to report; Deleted help files, all accessories, etc. from Win95b, was able to decompress the drive. It's like a whole new machine now, only takes a second or two to bring up My Computer and navigate. I got wireless working too.>>> I've got w95b and an uncompressed drive on one of mine, with an ORiNOCO wireless card. It works, but IE is s-l-o-w. pretty much unusable. I only notice a very small speed improvement with the uncompressed drive. Any suggestions of to what browser will work better, and how to remove IE from it to free up space? Also, has anyone got an Orinoco (Lucent) wireless card working on one of the DOS/W3.1 units? I've called ORIiNOCO tech support a bunch of times, and they're pretty much useless. Half the tech guys there have never used DOS, some act like they've never even heard of it. I get answers like "Well, we have DOS drivers, but we don't have Windows 3.1 drivers..." I'd really like to get the wireless card working on one of the DOS/win3.1 units because IE is nice and zippy on those units. ...or, anyone know of an 802.11b card that has decent DOS/3.1 drivers?? Mike 07-27-2002 17:01:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile these tech guys were probably still in diapers and sucking baby bottles with beer in it? when dos/win3.1 was around :) hence they didnt know about it 07-27-2002 17:08:41

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email Here's a possible alternative for some that don't want to use the slower Windows 95/98 OS. This thing works so fast in it's native Windows 3.1, I'm just going to upgrade to Windows for Work Groups 3.11, then setup TCP/IP on it, with an acceptable browser. I can then use my 3com Etherlink PC card (Works in DOS mode). Here's a cool link I found with instructions on setting up TCP/IP in WFWG 3.11.. http://www.yale.edu/pclt/WINWORLD/WFWG311.HTM Also here is a link to Calmira an unupgrade for Windows 3.1, makes it work like Windows 95. Looks like a clone of Windows 95 (But Only runs 16 bit applications) http://www.calmira.org/index.htm BTW: I started using this thing on the road to do scheduling with, works great !! Very Impressed... !!! 07-27-2002 17:24:32

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Mmm... I really don't think it's that slow at all, and the drive decompression made an absolutely HUGE improvement (Boot time in half, and instead of 30 seconds to open My Computer, almost instant). Maybe you have another problem? I've just got the base 4MB so far too. I had to stick with IE 3.0; opera complained, then crashed and burned, 5.5 complained a lot, and 4.0 didn't seem happy. The wireless card I'm using are just antique proprietary 1Mb things. It's pretty responsive crusing the network. Still haven't gotten it actually browsing the web though. I can't find a proxy server that works for beans. I'd do WFW on my second unit and compare, but I can't find an 'abandonware' site that has a useable copy anymore. Next thing will probably be 98lite once I get the RAM. 07-27-2002 20:13:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) chaezewhiz Profile | Email I've ordered 2 of these pups in the hope of putting linux on them. I'm hoping to go with a midori variation from my GCT image. Or, since its got a HD, just load peanut and hack in the necessary drivers. Still waiting for toys.....:( -chaeze Miracle in a Can 07-27-2002 21:30:58

Batteries (modified 0 times) ameyerstein Profile Looking for troubleshooting advice with the batteries. I bought two batteries (they're both li-ion), and have two otherwise perfectly working T200 units. The batteries appear to charge up briefly, followed by a green "fully charged" light. But when I try to run the unit off the battery alone, it starts to boot up for a couple seconds, does a lot of beeping, and then shuts down. The MaxTime utility also does not give any info about the battery (it says "n/a"). Both the batteries do this on both the units. Any ideas? Are they just DOA? avi 07-28-2002 08:46:01

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Both of mine are LiIon; one runs for 3 hours (1.5-2 with heavy use) and the other runs for 2 hours (1 with heavy use). I'm pretty impressed; I was expecting marginal batteries, but the one seems to perform as-new. 07-28-2002 10:29:55

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile intrseting feature with those t200 is in win3.1 under main/control panel rotate screen icon that let you flip sreen in 3 positions(of course you have to restart windows after setting that,yep that sucks compared to win98/me/2k/xp that doesnt requires restarting) and as for pc card my adivice is choose only 16bit pc card type only and nothing more! since this machines were built befor 96' and does not support 32bit cardbus! same for my compaq lte 5300 series laptop which i tried to use ibm ieee1394 firewire pc card which is 32bit type damn! :) im configuring the pc card nic either eigernet 10mb or d-link dfe-670txd 10/100mb and a little trouble configuring it for dos tcp/ip stack i do have a rare old desqview/x window 2.2 that i used on older laptop with dos tcp/ip :) and BusD, i do have wfg3.11 archived on cd :) 07-28-2002 11:42:35

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) MedinaTech Profile ameyerstein...did the batteries work when you got them? All batteries are charged when they leave here, but unfortunately we do not have the time to test them. They've been running around 2.5 hours on an average. If you aren't getting a reading on the battery life indicator....they may be bad. Email us about them....and we'll take care of you on Mon Tom 07-28-2002 12:59:44

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile Any help with getting WFW would be appreciated ;) Email: WFW@kayakporn.com Thanks! 07-28-2002 13:00:49

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile Musicman38, ill be damned that you mentioned a link to configuring tcp/ip for wfg 3.11 ,you ever notice that on choosing the microsoft tcp/ip-32 3.11 which doesnt exist in wfg 3.11!!!!!!! 07-28-2002 13:19:10

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile busD, your wfg311 is on the way -check your e-mail it's 10mb zip :O 07-28-2002 13:37:52

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile It may not be a battery problem, but a problem with the unit itself. I have a battery, which works fine on some of my machines but not on one. I'm not sure if any more of my units have this problem, since I've really only tried 4 of them so far. The one that the battery doesn't work on has the same problem as the problem you described. 07-28-2002 13:39:15

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) TimBear Profile Hello! Does anybody have scanned manuals for the Toshiba T-200CS Pentop? Tim Technobear on eBay 07-28-2002 14:17:53

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile information goldmine at url http://home.att.net/~ronkar/toshiba.html for all toshbia 486's info including deleted spec file! :) 07-28-2002 14:46:24

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile VW, if it bounces (I have a 4MB limit on my account) email me and we'll work something out. Or, you could split it into <4MB chunks :) Thanks a lot man, you have no idea how long I've tried to get WFW back. There was a time when I had multiple legal copies, but I don't know what happened to them. Consider this copy replacement :) 07-28-2002 15:09:29

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile 4mb limit in your isp email? that sucks mine has 15mb limit :) you should consider switching to diffrent isp with better email server limit uploaded was done it was quite a long time even on my 56k v.92 modem 07-28-2002 15:21:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile for those who are using windows for workgroup 3.11 and needs tcp/ip iv'e found a working url http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jbalvanz/tcphowto.htm and click on tcp32.exe :) it is what microsoft left out and didn't want you to have it long time ago when it was owned by novell ,now its free!!!!:) 07-28-2002 16:53:47

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile wow! i got ahold of full info on t200 specs file here it is !!! DYNAPAD (TM) T200 SPECIFICATIONS General Information Model Number:Dynapad (TM) T200 80MB Windows for Pen Computing- PA1162U-P3A (FCC ID# CJ6UK743) Dynapad (TM) T200 80MB PenRight! PA1162U-P5A (FCC ID# CJ6UK743) Dynapad (TM) T200 80MB PenDOS PA1162U-P6A (FCC ID# CJ6UK743) Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB Windows for Pen Computing PA1162U-V3A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB PenRight! PA1162U-V5A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB PenDOS PA1162U-V6A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) Dimensions: 10.6"W x 8.2"D x 1.6"H Weight: 4.4 lbs. with battery pack Voltage: 15VDC output Universal AC Adapter - 100-240 VAC 50-60 Hz. Batteries: Removable rechargeable 10.8V, 3000mAh Lithium Ion battery pack (one supplied standard) 3-4 hrs. battery life per pack; recharges in 8 hrs. on/ 3 hrs. off Internal backup battery for memory backup RTC battery for real time clock CPU: Intel i486DX2 - 40MHz RAM Memory: 4MB standard, (640KB conventional memory plus 3,456KB which can be configured as exapnded (LIM/EMS 4.0) and/or extended memory, shadow BIOS ROM. Memory expandable up to 20MB using 4, 8, or 16MB user installable credit card style memory. Drive: One 80MB hard disk drive Stylus: Single button for right mouse button emulation Enhanced, electromagnetic stylus with pocket clip Replaceable tip (five included) Standard features: Maxtime (TM) power management capabilites including: Advanced Lithium Ion (Li Ion) battery technology Small and lightweight, removable, rechargeable battery Low battery warning light and audible alarm Intelligent power supply with battery "gas gauge" Automatic display and hard drive shut down after user specified time of keyboard inactivity Automatic CPU "sleep" mode to enhance battery life AutoResume electronic bookmark AutoSave data protection System Reset button 3 year U.S. and International limited warranty (battery one year warranty) Product Support Meets standards for EPA Energy Star Computer program Operating System included: Windows for Pen Computing, PenRight!, or PenDOS Software compatibility: Compatible with software written for the IBM/PC/XT/AT using VGA, EGA, or CGA resolution graphics modes Interfaces: 2 PCMCIA 2.01 compatible slots (one each, Type I and Type III) Credit card style memory slot Selectable port for: parallel printer, external tape backup drive (optional) or 5 1/4" diskette drive (optional) RS-232-C serial port Floppy drive port (optional) SVGA monitor port PS/2 keyboard port 72-pin port replicator for third party devices (optional) Kensington cable lock slot Display/Digitizer System: Choice of Dynamic-STN dual-scan color VGA display, or Transreflective STN-Monochrome backlit VGA display. STN Color LCD Display: Display area: 9.5" diagonal; 7.6" x 5.7" Resolution: 640 x 480 Pixel dimensions: 0.3mm x 0.3mm Contrast ratio: 18:1 Color: 256 Aspect ratio: 1:1 Monochrome LCD Display: Display area: 9.5" diagonal; 7.6" x 5.7" Resolution: 640 x 480 Pixel dimensions: 0.27mm x 0.27mm Contrast ratio: 10:1 Gray scale: 16 Aspect ratio: 1:1 1.8" 80MB Hard Disk Drive Integral Peripherals HDD Formatted capacity: 85MB Interface: IDE Average Access Time: 18 ms Recording method: 1-7 RLL Disks: 2 Heads: 3 Tracks per drive: 2,750 Sectors per track: 20 Bytes per sector: 512 Rotation speed: 3,751 rpm Data transfer rate: 2.5 Mbps Hardware switches and controls: 1.) Power on/off Located on top right hand corner 2.) Reset Located inside port cover 3.) LCD Brightness and contrast controls Located on lower screen edge Environmental specifcations: 1) Operating condition: Ambient temperature: 41 to 95 degrees F. 5 to 35 degrees C. Relative Humidity: 20% to 80% non-condensing Altitude (from sea level): -22 to 10,000 feet (-60 to 3000 meters) 2) Non-operating condition: Ambient temperature: -4 to 149 degrees F. -20 to 65 degrees C. Relative Humidity: 10% to 90% (non-condensing) Altitude (from sea level): 30,000 feet (10,000 meters) 3) Wet bulb temperature condition: Ambient temperature: 79 degrees F. (max) 26 degrees C. (max) Options and Accessories: PC-PA2012U 4MB memory card PC-PA2013U 8MB memory card PC-PA2014U 16MB memory card NWCCSLIP SlipCase NWCCEXEC Executive carrying case NWCCGUARD Dynaguard carrying case PA2808U DynaShell carrying case PA2428U Battery pack recharger (with AC adapter) PA2427U Battery pack, Li Ion (one supplied standard) T24NW Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II 2400/9600 bps data/fax modem T144NWX Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II 14400 data/fax modem NWETH01 Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II Ethernet card (10BaseT) NWETH02 Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II Ethernet card (10Base2) NWTR01 Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II Token-Ring card NW3270 Noteworthy PCMCIA Type II 3270 Emulation card SW3270 IBM Personal Communication 3270 software PC-PA801L Statpower auto adapter (requires universal AC adapter) PA2426U Universal AC adapter PC-PA2606U External 3 1/2" 1.44MB diskette drive NWHD105M3 Noteworthy PCMCIA Type III 105MB hard disk drive PA2651U Replacement stylus PC-PA3350L Kensington security lock PA2209US External PS/2 keyboard System Memory Map Space Address Range: (Kilobytes) Used for: ______________ ___________ _______________________ '00000000' 640 Conventional memory '0009FFFF' '000A0000' 128 Video RAM '000BFFFF' '000C0000' 32 Video BIOS ROM '000C7FFF' (Shadow RAM) '000C8000' 32 Reserved '000CFFFF' '000D0000' 64 Reserved '000DFFFF' '000E0000' 32 Reserved '000E7FFF' '000E8000' 32 Backup RAM '000EFFFF' '000F0000' 64 System BIOS ROM '000FFFFF' (Shadow RAM) '00100000' 3,072 System working memory '003FFFFF' '00400000' 16,384 Optional working memory '013FFFFF' '01400000' 256 The rest of system working memory '0143FFFF' '01440000' Memory expansion in expansion port '07FEFFFF' '07FF0000' 64 System BIOS ROM '07FFFFFF' (duplicated) Interrupts: Interrupt: Level: Assigned To: __________ ______ ______________ -- NMI RAM Parity Error, I/O Channel Error Channel 1 0 Timer 1 Ext. Keyboard 2 PIC 2 for level 8 to 15 3 COM2 4 COM1 5 COM3 (Tablet) 6 FDC 7 PRT1 (LPT1) 2 8 RTC 9 Software Redirect to INT '0A' 10 Reserved 11 Reserved 12 PS/2 Mouse 13 Math co-processor 14 HDC 15 Reserved DMA Channels: DMAC Channel Assigned To: _____ ________ _____________ #1 0 Not used 1 Reserved 2 FDD 3 Reserved #2 4 Cascade for DMAC 1 5 Reserved 6 Reserved 7 Not used I/O Port Assignments: Port Address ____________ From/To: Device/Function _______________ ___________________ '000' to '01F 82C37: DMA Controller 1 '020' to '03F' 82C59: PIC 1 '040' to '05F' 82C54: Timer '060' to '06F' KBC '070' NMI Mask Register '070' to '07F' RTC '080' to '09F' DMA Page Register '0A0' to '0BF' 82C59: PIC 2 '0C0' to '0DF' 82C37: DMA Controller 2 '0E0' to '0EF' Special Register '0F0' to '0F7' Math Coprocessor '100' to '1EF' VGA '1F0' to '1FF' HDC '200' to '207' Game I/O '208' to '20F' Not used '210' to '217' Expansion Unit '218' to '21F' Not used '220' to '227' Tablet (COM3) '228' to '25F' Not used '260' to '267' Not used '268' to '26F' Not used '270' to '277' Not used '278' to '27F' Parallel PRT 2 '280' to '2A7' Not used '2A8' to '2AF' Reserved for EMS '2B0' to '2B7' Not used '2B8' to '2BF' Reserved for EMS '2C0' to '2DF' Not used '2E0' to '2E7' Not used '2E8' to '2EF' Reserved for EMS '2F0' to '2F7' Not used '2F8' to '2FF' Serial Port 2 (COM2) '300' to '31F' Prototype Card '320' to '32F' XT type HDC '330' to '337' Not used '338' to '33F' Reserved for COM '340' to '377' Not used '378' to '37F' Parallel PRT 1 '380' to '38F' SDLC, Bisynchronous 2 '390' to '39F' Not used '3A0' to '3AF' Bisynchronous 1 '3B0' to '3BF' MDA, Parallel PRT 3 '3C0' to '3DF' CGA, EGA, VGA '3E0' to '3E7' Not used '3E8' to '3EF' Reserved for COM '3F0' to '3F7' FDC '3F8' to '3FF' Serial Port (COM1) '400' to '47F' Not used '480' to '49F' DMA Hi-Page register note that pen uses irq5 ,accually com3 port with i/o '220' to '227' so don't get other pc card setup conflict with it(intresting way to kill pen function till pc card removed) this info should help you setup other os beside win3.11 :) 07-28-2002 17:02:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile whoo! tcp/ip now works on t200 with wfwg 3.11 i can ftp or telnet or ping to internet,all i do is get a good small web browser beside netscape and ie my friends came over and was starting to get addicted to that t200 ,played soltaire,practiced handwriting to text heheh and asked me to buy some ,oh well there it goes :) 07-28-2002 19:02:10

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<busD, your wfg311 is on the way -check your e-mail it's 10mb zip>>> hey, can you send one to mikehell-linux@kontrol.net? I have no limit on my email account (I run my own servers). Then I can put it up on my server so BusD can download his "legal replacement copy" from there. <<<Does anybody have scanned manuals for the Toshiba T-200CS Pentop?>>> I ordered a set of manuals, they should arrive on Tuesday. If I can get my scanner working, I'll scan them in and post them along with a copy of the companion diskette. I do have a copy of a companion disk and manuals for another Toshiba laptop that may prove usefull (one of the manuals is about the card manager software. <<<whoo! tcp/ip now works on t200 with wfwg 3.11 i can ftp or telnet or ping to internet,all i do is get a good small web browser beside netscape and ie>>> What network card are you using? I can't find one that works in w3.11. Looking for wireless, if at all possible. Most of my PCMCIA network stuff is newer, maybe I need to find some older stuff. I've found that IE4.0 works much better on the unit I upgraded to W95 than IE3.01 There's a few quirks with the win95 unit, but they are probably easily fixed. Problem #1: What pen gesture do you use to send a Carriage Return? I can enter a URL in the browser, but then can't hit the "enter" key. I never thought I'd be wanting to have that stupid "go" button that IE5 has. Problem #2: If you don't shut down the system properly, the next time you boot, you'll get "windows was not properly shut down. blah blah... Press any key to run scandisk..." Of course, at this time, the pen drivers aren't loaded yet, so you can not press a key. If yo leave it long enough, scandisk will start, but this is a royal pain. There's got to be an easy way to turn this off. 07-28-2002 21:07:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) ameyerstein Profile MedinaTech, Thanks for your reply. The batteries were like that when I got them. I already emailed you separately because I wasn't sure if you were still lurking. I just hope it's the batteries and not the units. - ameyerstein 07-28-2002 21:34:25

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile another wfwg3.11 is on the way to him :) oh yes the pc card nic was eigerlabs epx-et 10bt ethernet my advice is screw other tcp/ip proggies and when setting up ,don't set up other software yet first transfer the nesscary drivers for nic and the os and the microsoft tcp/ip-32 3.11(tcp32.exe) via serial(slow) or via cf card(i used sandisk 128mb cf card in pc card adapter and a sandiskmate usb adapter) or via hard drive swap,do a wfwg3.11 upgrade(keyboard required and serial mouse optional since pen function will be dead during install(no dos pen driver))) and install the nic pc card drivers(use ndis2 or ndis3 only) and reboot,pay attention to dos loading of driver if not check the irq and io it must not use irq 5 and io 220-227(com3) then it should works and now move tcp32.exe to a temp dir or \tcp dir and run tcp32.exe it will unzip then go to network setup and select drivers then add protocol and select unused(firstone on top of list) and point it to \tcp and you know what to do next and dont forget to highlight microsoft tcp/ip-32 3.11 and hit setup button ,configure as nessacarry and again exit win and reboot then when your back in win,hook up the keyboard find the main icon and open,choose msdos and type in ipconfig and you'll see result and try ping to a ip address or name of site that is outside your home(internet) if it works then be happy !and Whoo! didja! and opera for win3.1 does works 07-28-2002 22:03:17

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email Hey VWBUG, Thanks for that link for the TCP/IP, I had not upgraded to WFWG yet and would have needed it for the installation. If you find an acceptable 16 bit Browser for WFWG 3.11 please let me know.. 07-28-2002 22:28:38

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile for 16bit browser for wfw 3.11 use that win3.1 program it's compatiable 07-28-2002 23:16:27

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) dozens Profile | Email chaezewhiz - What is a "GCT image" ? Is it based off the publicly available midori source code (beta 3) ? What is the minimum installation for peanut ? I assumed it would be small but when I tried installing it I needed like 300 megs. 07-29-2002 08:01:07

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile to those who have owned t200's and wondering about the strange odor that stunk up the room,it is because he did use highly flameable liquid to clean those,that was stupid as mine did stunk up my bedroom smelled like gasoline(very tiny trace of odor)my advice to them on cleaning electronic equpments is dont use highly flameable liquid to clean and do clean lcd with windex and the plastic area with 409 or equlavient or if sticky substance on it use goo gone(don't use goof off,its too harsher enough to strip latex paint!) i recleaned mine the proper way and the strange odor is gone :) jez how come a comp tech guy supposed to know the proper way? 07-29-2002 19:27:43

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) chaezewhiz Profile | Email dozens-   Yes it is. I've been building an image for the Gateway Connected Touchpad off and on   for the past couple of months. There is more info in the GCT forum here.   (Unfortunately, my site is down from all of the electrical activity in central florida   this weekend. Plus the fact that I'm out of town for training :( ).   My mention of peanut was a faux pas. Maybe jailbait/peewee or something from   http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html (minimalist). Midori would be interesting,   but the r/o nature of the install is not necessary here since the pentop has a HD. -chaeze Miracle in a Can 07-29-2002 19:39:22

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i think peeweelinux is the way to go but i liked midori lunux(iopener version) 07-29-2002 20:54:52

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile im curious about rykoff program that came with t200 and what login/pwd can i enter o get in? im zipping up and backing up entiere 85mb hd to a cf card for transfering to a cd for archival purpose so i can restore orginal back later on 07-29-2002 22:48:23

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i wonder about only one big question ,can a 128mb cd card plugged in a pcmica card adapter in t200 be dos bootable??? since one of the user ran win95 from a cf card 07-29-2002 23:46:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) MedinaTech Profile I just wanted to let you know that all of the remaining "working" pentops have been sold off.....I'll continue to have the accessories and will soon be posting hard drives and the damaged and non-working pentops. They'll be listed in a week or two.....I want to make sure that all of the working machines have been shipped and are out there for a while before I sell off the bad ones. Thanks for your support!!! Tom 07-30-2002 10:37:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile wow all good t200's gone! darn, my 2 friends wanted these baby they liked it like an addict medinatech, how's your employee testing linux image? we want to hear of the progress from him so.....will a toshiba laptop ext floppy drive work with this?(interchangeable?) i bought a 8mb memorycard from a local used computer store for cool 1 buck :) and while shopping at microcenter i picked up the new catalog and noticed a 10/100mb pcmica ethernet by belkins for 4.99!!!!! regularly 39.99 07-30-2002 16:54:21

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Received my 2 units today, and just started testing one of them. 1) Wow! Windows 3.1 on this machine, even with the base RAM of 4 MB, runs more snappily than Windows ME on my Toshiba Satellite 1805 Pentium-III/800 with 256 MB RAM. No exaggeration! 2) 3.3v FPM IC DRAM cards for the Toshiba 4600 work fine in the T200. I just tested a Simple Tech 8 MB card, and it's working fine. 3) The default desktop settings are messed up. Try setting the border width to 3 pixels, icon spacing to 75 pixels, grid to 1 pixel and the color scheme to anything but Rykoff (they must've been color blind or something). I personally prefer Arizona, but you can easily develop a custom color scheme from Main->Control Panel->Colors. 4) Move the MS notebook icon from the startup folder to the MS tools folder. 5) Of course, there are 1000s of games out there. For a high quality scrabble player, search Google for 'Networdz'. For an outstanding Anagram and Scrabble word builder, search Google for 'Lexpert'. There are versions for Win 3.1. Anybody with any idea for mapping software that will fit in 80 MB, say with a limited streets database (like 1 state)? 07-30-2002 20:21:33

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile for street maping with gps support for win 3.1 try delorme streetatlas usa 4.0 it is the only version with win3.1 gps support i happen to have a old cd of that heheh 07-30-2002 20:28:34

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile FYI:the 1.8 inch hard drive is made by integral peripherals see the link http://theref.aquascape.com/theref/hard_drives/h_1885_mckinley.html damn it the chs is left empty intresting codename and model# that refers to president mckinley and 1885? so... is there a way in bios with keyboard instead of hardware setup in win3.1? since the bios type in these babies are phoneix technlogies and a simple hold down of esc key would boot into bios setup and these things don't accept esc key at boot time hmmm.... 07-30-2002 20:47:30

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email To connect the drive to a standard 3.5" to 2.5" notebook IDE adapter board, you need an I-Opener-type flipped cable with a female IDC connector at both ends, and a 44-pin dual-row mini-berg strip (with 2.0 mm spacing) to mate one female end of the I-Opener cable to the female connector on the 3.5" to 2.5" adapter board. My system recognizes it as a master drive with no jumpers on the 4 pins near pins 1-2. It's an Integral Peripherals 1885 81-MB IDE/ATA drive. I got the entire image out for use as a reference backup image using Powerquest Drive Image. 07-30-2002 21:09:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) TimBear Profile Windows 3.1 Chess game for the pentop at: http://www.arasanchess.org 07-31-2002 00:45:42

Is it time to ask Codeman for a separate message area for T200? (modified 0 times) NormConquest Profile | Email Methinks there will be more software finds and other T200 related developments that deserve separate threads... 07-31-2002 07:40:53

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email The 16 MB 3.3v IC DRAM for the Toshiba 4600 also tests fine (no surprise). I'm using some generic/off-brand type called 'Ambus'. Although the specs say that 20 MB is the max, I'm not so sure. I believe it's worth trying with the relatively rare 32 MB parts, like the Kingston KTT4600/32 or similar (I don't have any of those). Codeman, could you create a separate topic for the T200, please? I have a feeling the floodgates are about to open. 07-31-2002 10:42:20

Does anyone have an extra T-200 to sell (modified 0 times) lchop Profile Hi, I've been moving the last two weeks and seemed to have missed the T-200 deal as medinatech is now sold out. If anyone has an extra I'd like to buy one and can pay via paypal. Please let me know, I can be reached at... awfeinberg at msn dot com Thanks. 07-31-2002 10:52:35

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email BTW, I mean Toshiba 4600, which is a 486DX2/40 machine whose innards are very similar to the T200, not a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, which is a recent Pentium-III class machine. Somebody at Toshiba marketing should sit around and take care that they don't reuse model numbers, but they're not the only offenders. 07-31-2002 11:26:17

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<so... is there a way in bios with keyboard instead of hardware setup in win3.1? since the bios type in these babies are phoneix technlogies and a simple hold down of esc key would boot into bios setup and these things don't accept esc key at boot time hmmm....>>> I think so. You need to run a program that come on the companion disc. I ordered one, and it should be waiting for me in the box that's on my kitchen table. I'll zip it up and post it tommorow (would do it tonight, but I've been awake for over 48 hours straight and I'm going to actually go home and SLEEP tonight) You can find some files I've posted for the dynapad so far at http://toyhacking.com/dynapad more files and stuff to be posted soon 07-31-2002 12:59:26

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<I just wanted to let you know that all of the remaining "working" pentops have been sold off>> Cool! Now it's time for us to fleabay the units we bought... :) Seriously, will you be selling spare pens? I just KNOW I'm going to lose some of my pens. 07-31-2002 13:02:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile linuxguru, that's what i think that 20mb max is probably a b.s if my memory serve from the days of 486's it can handle and address at least 32mb max for laptops and for desktops it's around 64-72mb 07-31-2002 15:33:11

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hmm..... everyone who own t200 listen up! flip your t200 on it's back and check the id PA1162U-vxx there is 3 versions of t200cs Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB Windows for Pen Computing PA1162U-V3A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB PenRight! PA1162U-V5A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) Dynapad (TM) T200CS 80MB PenDOS PA1162U-V6A (FCC ID# CJ6UK744) let see which user have v6a? which is pendos version ,i'd like to find that pendos since pcdos 7.0 came with pendos and note that in /dos dir there's a program called pkzip ,don't use that it's outdated and zipping is limited to lessthan 29mb ,get pk204g.exe version ,it's the last revision with better support 07-31-2002 18:36:40

games on the T200 (modified 0 times) rlyacht Profile My T200 arrived today - very cool. I note that a bunch of old games are on it: things like commander keen, which I remember fondly. When I try to start them, I get a message about a missing keyboard, asking me to press enter. Since the game are on there, I assume it's possible to play them. Anyone have any luck? Or am I the only one whose machine has these? I'd had to think I got the machine of a rogue who was cheating the Rykoff-Sexton company by playing games on their dime 07-31-2002 18:37:59

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email rlyacht, On the DOS games question, I believe that the answer is no they can not be played with out a keyboard. I remember them very well myself, some pretty good DOS based games. Why they are on the unit is a mystery, because these are DOS games. There are still like millions of windows based games that will run jusy fine on the T200. I found a bunch on the shareware websites. Its a great game computer if nothing else. But my ultimate goal is to use it as a home automation controller. -Musicman38 07-31-2002 18:49:27

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email MEMORY.... I find there are several websites that sell 16MB Cards for the Dynapad (About $80.00) very expensive. So if it possible to get 16MB RAM on a RAM CARD. I also wonder if it's possible to solder a chip or two? in the existing 8MB RAM CARD to make it 16MB.. Just curious, and I don't yet have the courage to rip open one of the 8MB RAM Cards open to see if there is a posibility to replace the 8MB chip with a 16MB chip.. It would sure be nice to have 20MB RAM, or even 32 MB RAM as another said the MOBO could address.. 07-31-2002 19:05:38

Turning off decompression (modified 0 times) rlyacht Profile Guys, I've read that the drive is compressed. How can I decompress it? Also, how much space is left after decompressing and deleting the rykoff directory? 07-31-2002 19:23:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Regarding RAM, don't bother trying to hack an 8 MB card by soldering. 16 MB cards for the T4600 are readily available for $10 or less on EBay, and I believe these are similar if not identical to those for the T4500/T1910/T1960/T4700... I have the 16 MB card working in the T200, 100% verified. Anything above that was speculation on my part, but it's worth trying if somebody has one lying around. 32 MB 3.3v IC DRAM cards were rare, but not unknown. I have several for Thinkpads, but they're generally incompatible with Toshibas. 07-31-2002 21:32:00

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email rlyacht, You will have to delete a minium of 12 MB to remove the Compressed drive, but its not gonna leave you much space to run any more applications. The command is executed from DOS, called DRVSPACE.EXE.. Follow the prompts to decompress the drive.. You could delete all the Games, and the Rikoff? program (forgot the name), maybe you could then run it in non-compressed mode, and it will be about 30% faster for most programs loading, but really depends on what you want from it. You can also delete some of the DOS files, if you know what your doing to save some space. I would suggest not doing so, mine runs very fast with the speedy windows 3.11. The key for more speed is really the RAM, the standard 4MB is slow, but the added 8MB RAM Card make it really speedy. I just upgraded mine to WFWG 3.11 OS, so I can put it on my Network. I am quite happy with the speed of it with the compressed drive.. -Musicman38 07-31-2002 21:56:55

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Mick73 Profile Well... Anybody have a copy of DOS 6.22 sitting around??? I have finally found my disks... but... they are toast.... sitting in cardboard box in garage apparently was not the "recommended" storage method... if anybdoy does have it I could really use a backup copy posted somewhere. 07-31-2002 22:03:45

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email ON MEMORY... Hey Linuxguru, Do me and the rest of the folks here a favor, and take a close look at that 16MB RAM Card you have. Whats the Brand ? Stock Number ? Could you or anyone verify without a doubt that the RAM CARDS for Toshiba T4500/T1910/T1960/T4700/T4600 would work on the T200..? I would gladly pay, 10-20 bucks for a 16MB RAM Card.. With a total of 20MB RAM it would zip right along.. 07-31-2002 22:05:28

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile and with 20mb that make linux run better under xwindow:) as for the 32mb modules we don't know till someone accually tried them on t200's but i believe any credit card memory with staggered pinouts will work in t200 ,ive bought a 8mb module at a local used computer store for 1 buck and yes it's kingston brand :) i did ask the guy at the store for 16mb or 32mb laying around ,he's checking the warehouse and will let me know i hope so 07-31-2002 22:58:20

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hey check out the screenshots at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ cool intresting window manger it's got built in keyboard in every apps including xterm shell!!! and less than 300k but it's for handheld pda'a but there's a source code to port to 486's :) 07-31-2002 23:08:28

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email The 8 MB card is a Simple Technology STT4600/8 for a T4600. The 16 MB card is an Ambus 432V, pulled from a working T4600. Both work fine in the T200cs, so direct equivalence is established. What I don't know for sure yet (I believe so, but have no HW to confirm): 1) Are the IC DRAM cards for the T4600 equivalent to those for the other Toshibas (T1910/T1960...) ? 2) Was a 32 MB card ever offered for the T4600? An affirmative answer to 2), followed by a simple test of that card in a T200cs, would settle the issue directly. 08-01-2002 03:04:20

wfwg 3.11 - where? (modified 0 times) rlyacht Profile Musicman38, thanks for the advice on compression. BTW, where did you get wfwg? I don't have my disks anymore! Is it on some abandonware site? Looks like I could buy it on ebay for about $10. How about installation? Did you just copy all the install disks to a CF and install from that? 08-01-2002 05:59:02

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile I Got my replacement unit. Working Great! Thanks Tom. Can someone post instructions on how to get 95 on this bad boy. i tried but minimal install is 92mg 08-01-2002 06:53:09

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email rlyacht, It's pretty easy to upgrade your existing Windows 3.1 to WFWG 3.11. 1. Just copy the 8 WFWG floppy disks to a CF card. 2. Make a seperate Directory for each floppy disk on the CF card. (I think you can even copy all 8 disks into one directory, don't remember for sure, either way works) 3. Then plug that CF card in the T200. 4. Goto a DOS prompt and run setup from the first floppy disks directory. It will prompt you for each needed floppy (In its own directory) as it installs. It will upgrade the T200 to WFWG 3.11 and keep all the original Pen stuff and everything. And BINGO !! You now have a networkable T200. You will also need a compatable 16bit PCMCIA Card.. Remember 16bit, the newer PC-cards will not work. These older PCMCIA Network cards are "Dirt Cheep" on ebay, about $10. I used a old 3Com Etherlink III card for mine, looked on 3Com's website and found drivers for DOS and WFWG's. On a previous post VWbug found a site you can get the TCP/IP drivers also. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jbalvanz/tcphowto.htm And also on a previous post I gave two websites where you can download a newer GUI that makes it run pretty much like windows 95 (ONly 16 bit applications will run). http://www.calmira.org/index.htm Here's a cool link I found with instructions on setting up TCP/IP in WFWG 3.11.. http://www.yale.edu/pclt/WINWORLD/WFWG311.HTM For my application, Network access, and home automation controls, WFWG's is a very fast OS for the little T200 08-01-2002 07:35:53

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile adam714, to get trimmed down below 85mb try removing help files and remove unnescary files that you do not intend to use and lose that desktop wallpaper files to one choice you can figure out what to take out and not to take out btw don't use netscape in win95 it's a diskspace hog 08-01-2002 08:42:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email On Decompressing the hard drive: Just delete that Rykoff directory, that thing is HUGE !! It's like a 60 Megabyte database.. Then delete the Games directory for another 8 Meg savings.. After that you can run drvspace to remove compression. And your windows 3.11 will be even more speedy.. I stuck in an old 340 MB PC Card hard drive in the PCMCIA Slot so I now have about 500MB of usuable Hard Drive space. I wonder if there is a way to boot from the PCMCIA Card slot, that would be really coool. -Musicman38 08-01-2002 08:45:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) TimBear Profile The United Kingdom Toshiba site still has some T200cs pentop support files at: http://www.computers.toshiba.co.uk/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/download_drivers_bios.jsp?z=15&nav=1&jz=20688 Look under the archive area to search for the T200cs pentop. 08-01-2002 11:31:30

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile If anyone has successfully installed win 95 on there unit could they possibly create an image using ghost or powerquest drive image(preferred) and post it somewhere that would be great. 08-01-2002 13:44:07

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email There may be copyright issues with posting the HD image with Win95 and pen services. I would suggest following the instructions given by mikehell above, it worked like a charm. It is possible to install everything without a floppy or serial mouse. The procedure, in summary: 1. Make a backup of the drive image using your favorite method, using an 3.5"->2.5" adapter cable on a PC. 2. Go into DOS and delete the directories \rykoff, \games and \ll5. 3. Uncompress the drive using \dos\drvspace /uncompress (this will take a long time, patience). 4. There will not be enough space to install Windows 95a, even with the compact option. Delete the \windows directory. 5. Edit config.sys and rem out the ramdrive.sys driver (optional, but convenient to do it now). Rem out any references to drivers in \windows, if any. *Do not delete any of the pcmplus3 drivers. They are needed for access to the PCMCIA card during the install process*. 6. Edit autoexec.bat and rem out all references to \windows. Rem out the last line (win). 7. Copy the \cabs directory from the Windows 95a Install CDROM into a PCMCIA ATA flash card or hard disk. This is about 36 MB, so a 32 MB card won't do - I used a 270 MB Type III hard disk. 8. Switch off the t200cs, insert the ATA card and reboot into DOS. Verify that the drive is visible as D: (since ramdrive has been removed). 9. cd D:\cabs and run setup.exe. Choose whatever installation it allows, depending on the disk space. Portable should work, but use compact or custom if there is any problem. Be patient, the install is slow. 10. On rebooting, it should warn you that there is no mouse. Until you get pen services going, the rest of the configuration is done using a keyboard only. 11. From the Control Panel->System->Device Manager->PCMCIA, enable PCMCIA and allow it to load the 32-bit support. Say "Yes" when asked if you're installing through a PCMCIA card and follow the prompts. 12. When you reboot, check Control Panel->System->Device Manager. After removing a possible duplicate entry for the PCMCIA socket, you should have no crosses or exclamations against any device. 13. Using the Pen Services files and the Toshiba Pen Driver downloaded from the link supplied by mikehell, follow his procedure exactly to install pen support. 14. Upon rebooting, Windows 95 should now be fully operational and you can now install additional programs or components as necessary. 08-01-2002 18:00:06

RE:T-200 (modified 1 times) TimBear Profile Source for the CMOS battery for the T200cs pentop at about $20 each: http://www.ibsa.com/estore/view_product_detail.asp?category%5Fid=391341&part%5Fnumber=LIT3175&mscssid=DT05FG615PSR8KGVV90T91SECLHW6CE1&js=1 Radio Shack wants over $45 for this battery! 08-01-2002 18:02:14

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) TimBear Profile I got both of my units today. The screens on both units are in excellent shape and they both work fine. The power jack is intermittent on one unit, but is an easy fix. I am missing one pen and wrote a note to Tom to send me a pen. By the way, the battery packs are $150 at Batteries Plus and even more at other outlets. I most likely will order more batteries and other parts. I am very happy with my purchase! Tim technobear or eBay 08-01-2002 18:12:54

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile RE: Linuxguru's 95 install instructions. Maybe i am missing something but i tried this and choosing even the most minimal install, Win95 requires 91.9mb. 08-01-2002 19:11:21

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) BusD Profile It's simple really. Install Win95 on the drive while it is still compressed. After installation, delete: - Online Services - All hlp files - DOS directory - After upgrading your PCMCIA drivers, DOS PCMCIA card folder (Forget name) - IE (Whopping 1-2MB) - Wallpaper - Weird files you find in the root directory (I had some kind of swap file left over from win 3.1 - Don't forget to turn on hidden files) - Anything else you find that you don't need. Don't forget, you need the drive tools, so keep those. You should now be able to decompress the drive with drive tools. It takes about 5-8 hours (I let it go while I slept) to decompress. 08-01-2002 19:26:37

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile here's the info on chs for the 85mb hd is c=976 h=10 s=17 mode normal :) adam714, you not paying attention to previous post from me, you have to to custom setup instead of express setup and unselect those you don't need like charcter map editor,paint,desktop wallpaper,and several other that is not specfic to the t200 i did get 50mb easy long time ago btw win3.11 takes up 6mb and wfwg 3.11 takes up 6-10mb and win95 orignal edition takes up 50-100mb and winxp takes up to close 1 gig bitching codes!!!!so... im working on getting peeweelinux working with pwlconfig to transfer it to 128mb cf in sansdisk sddr-31 usb reader on my linux machine and that bitchin' usb keep hanging(usb 1.0 is unreliable) 08-01-2002 19:27:12

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile Install Win95 on the drive while it is still compressed. That's the part i was missing. Thanks BusD I'll be going on vacation for 2 weeks so i won't be able to play with this until i get back. 08-01-2002 20:22:21

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email Use Windows 95a, not OSR2. The compact install is well under 50 MB with 95a, and it can be made even smaller with a custom install. Before installing, delete everything except \dos and \pcmplus3 - the free space should be in the ballpark of 75 MB, which is sufficient. You'll have 20-30 MB left over after the install depending on what you've selected. Also, don't bother copying \cabs into C:; you can start the install directly from the ATA card, but it may take longer if it's a type III hard disk, which is usually dog slow. Switching topics: The Rand-McNally Streetfinder GPS seems eminently matched to this - I got the idea that a PCMCIA->compact flash adapter, in conjunction with a 128 or 256 MB CF card as drive D:, can be conveniently used to store the installed software + limited map information for a few states, and there is no danger of the CF card running through its write cycles - it is used almost like a large ROM disk. Another plus of this setup is that it is more rugged and therefore suitable for automotive use (although drive C: is still going to be rotating and therefore vulnerable to vibrations). So back to the old car-mounting questions: what's the best deal on goose-neck mounts for the T200 and where is it available retail? Note that there are 3 uncommitted screw mounts at the rear of the unit. 08-01-2002 20:34:31

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile I have an assortment of 3Com PC cards 3ccfe574bt, a 3ccfe575bt-d and a 3ccfe575ct-d. Does anyone have any spare old cards that'll work in the T200 that they can trade? 08-01-2002 20:50:45

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i managed to get into the bios from within dos by going to \dos and typing tabdrvs then pendiags then tsetup and volia the bios setup screen ,note that pen aglinment may be out of whack when attempting to tap the area ,so just hover over till white is highlighted and tap it :) cool im still having trouble with @#$%! sandisk usb cf reader that 128mb cf card is screwed that linux doesnt reonize it so i had to switch back to winxp and fdisk,reformat the cf card it's just that the usb reader tend to hang while peeweelinux is running a script to create files on cf :( 08-01-2002 22:02:22

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<Musicman38, thanks for the advice on compression. BTW, where did you get wfwg? I don't have my disks anymore! Is it on some abandonware site? Looks like I could buy it on ebay for about $10.>>> Hey busD, did you get that "legal backup copy" of WFW I put at http://www.toyhacking.com/dynapad? It's still there waiting for you. You better get it before someone else "accidentaly" downloads a copy. cough cough. :) <<How about installation? Did you just copy all the install disks to a CF and install from that?>> Yep, works like a charm. Takes only a few minutes, and you're upgraded. The pen drivers still work after the upgrade. 08-02-2002 09:19:03

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile I found something that looks like it'll probably work on the Dynapad... Travelstar 8.1GB External PCMCIA Drive $49 at CompGeeks.com Grab this brand new drive at $67 - code GEEKTRAVEL to get it for $49 + shipping. 1-yr factory warranty. http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=34L4223&sourceid=00384104774967759786 08-02-2002 09:41:57

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile hey! I'm smoking a cigarette! So, What's the big deal??? Well, I don't Smoke in the house, I Smoke out on the patio! This neans that I am sitting out nere writing this ona dynapad! Yep, I got the wireless network card workig. It`s Slow and Painfull, But itdoes work. It`s Running Win3.1 and ie3.01 - IF anyone wants to know how I did it, let me know. 08-02-2002 21:14:49

legal backup copies (modified 0 times) NormConquest Profile | Email Hey, mikehell, can I recommend that you make yourself a legal backup copy of DOS 6.22 and put it somewhere where I can't accidentally download a copy? 08-02-2002 22:15:47

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email Hey MikeHell, What Wireless Card did you get to work. Was it an 802.11b ? Didn't even know one existed that would run in DOS mode. I have one working on a 3com Card in windows 3.11 WFWG -Musicman38 08-02-2002 23:29:16

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile good news on t200 and linux(midiori for iopener build) i managed to boot up midiori from hd but still long way to go , got kernel panic at 3:01 it should be /dev/hda but kernel doesnt understand cause midiori use hda3 and hda4,the hda1 and hda2 is not used for data probably boot and swap file? :) ill let yall know when i have success as for now im using keyboard and ps2 mouse(yes using ps2 y adapter hokking it up much like same as iopener(swapped ps2 ports)) whoo! 08-02-2002 23:54:01

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile ah! found a link to linux for toshiba system power is http://www.buzzard.org.uk/toshiba/ :) 08-03-2002 00:09:59

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile <<<Hey MikeHell, What Wireless Card did you get to work. Was it an 802.11b ? Didn't even know one existed that would run in DOS mode.>>> It's a Lucent ORiNOCO Silver card (formerly known as Wavelan). The Orinoco card is one of the better cards IMHO, with good range and an external antenna port. The "gold" card should work fine as well. I'm not quite sure about the Bronze cards, since they're older and not quite the same. The DELL cards, and I *think* the HP's are actually rebagged Orinocos. Yes, it's 802.11b It was a royal pain to get working, but now that I've got it all figgured out, it should be a 10 minute or so install. I downloaded every driver set and firmware set I could find, tried every combination, and they all kept giving me an error "primary firmware functions incompatible" when I attempted to load the driver. I finnaly got in touch with someone at Orinoco who sent me a set of drivers, but he led me astray when he insisted that I use the ODI drivers and not the PACKET drivers. I followed his advice, and did get the card working in DOS (was able to PING), but no-go in windows. I tried the packet drivers in the file he sent me and "ta-da!" they worked. Then I just found an old copy of the trumpet winsock, loaded that in and I was off and running. My machine was upgraded to WFW 3.11 in an attempt to get this working, but this driver set and trumpet should work just fine in W3.1 for pen that's on these units. I loaded IE 3.01, which works OK, but it's S-L-O-W. I think it's due to the slow graphics on the video card, as I can see images very slowly draw on the screen. The linux-hacker website main page took FOREVER to load. I'll do more experimenting with browsers later. <<<Hey, mikehell, can I recommend that you make yourself a legal backup copy of DOS 6.22 and put it somewhere where I can't accidentally download a copy?>>> I don't think I *have* a copy of dos 6.22 besides the one that came with the units. Got a couple copies on floppy, but those are thrashed and probably not working. ...or, are you talking about just a copy of the DOS directory from one of the dynapads? I ordered one of those 8.1gb drives for $49, I'm planning on using it to make ghost copies of my units. Mikehell 08-03-2002 00:42:29

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Mick73 Profile Well.. for once I think I actually might have found something to contribute to the board.... I noticed everybody asking for Win3.x stuff and DOS stuff.... so I'd try this link out and follow his instructions.. got quite a bit of stuff here: http://www.freewebs.com/win3x/download.htm ~Mick~ 08-03-2002 02:21:31

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email Thanks MICK73, That webpage is a litel complicated to get in to, but There is DOS, Windows 3.11, and many MS, norton and other stuff in his folder. I found a copy of Visual Basic Ver-2 to run on the old T200. Now I can do some interesting stuff for sure with it. -Musicman38 08-03-2002 10:34:48

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email OK, I was able to set it up as a car navigation system with Rand-McNally Tripmaker Deluxe 1999 + GPS unit from the Rand-McNally Steetfinder 2000 GPS. Everything is self-contained, with no CDROM required for highway data (if you need city street data, it will prompt for the CDROM). Procedure for System: 1. Install Windows 95 + Pen services and enable PCMCIA support (as described earlier). 2. Install a Flash card or PCMCIA hard disk in slot 0. Verify that it shows up as D:. You will need about 70 MB free on drive D: and about 10 MB (maybe less, I didn't check exactly) on drive C: for DLLs. 3. Install a PCMCIA SCSI card + external SCSI CDROM in slot 1. 4. Start install of Tripmaker. For the install directory, use 'D:™1999' or similar, *on D: drive*. Choose 'Large/Fast' option, which takes a total of 76 MB. It will proceed to install the software and highway data, about 66MB on drive D: and the rest on drive C:. The city street data remains on CD. 5. Shutdown, and connect the GPS unit from the Streetfinder 2000 GPS kit (various other GPS units are also supported, but I didn't test them. I'll post the full list shortly). The serial connector goes into COM1: and the power tap into the PS2 keyboard socket on the T200. 6. Take it outside with a clear view of the sky. From the GPS->Settings menu, choose 'other NMEA 1.5' and mode 'Monitor'. Leave the other defaults. From GPS->Screen Display, choose 'Navigator View'. Choose GPS->Start. Wait a few minutes till it acquires a few birds. 7. After it locks, choose GPS->Screen Display->Map View. Choose GPS->GPS Recentering (this redraws the map when the cursor goes off the edge). 8. Adjust zoom to a comfortable level of detail. You cannot zoom in greater than level 9 or so without the CDROM. Mechanical installation: 1. Obtain Radio Shack Gooseneck cellphone mount, Cat 17-510 (on clearance for $9.99 or thereabouts, YMMV). 2. Disassemble the head assembly. Extract the base plate only and file off the protruding plastic ridges so that it is flush with the edges. 3. Attach base plate to T200 back using your favorite adhesive (I used a 2-component epoxy, but it did not hold to the T200. Reverted to future glue, which worked well). 4. Mount rotating head plate onto base plate using the supplied screws (4). 5. Mount Gooseneck assembly at suitable place in car. I have it on the passenger side of the center console, to the right of the Transmission lever (This is the tricky and time-consuming part, take your time to find a good location and mount it firmly. I discarded the supplied mounting screws and used small bolt and nuts). 6. Mount Rotating head plate on the neck of the Gooseneck mount. Place GPS unit on dashboard and secure with velcro. *WARNING: USE A PASSENGER TO NAVIGATE. KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD. DO NOT SPEND TIME CONFIGURING AND LOOKING AT THE SCREEN WHILE DRIVING*. That's it, folks! Drive Safely and Enjoy - The nice thing is that highway exits are clearly marked with green arrows, as are restaurants and various entries from Mobil Travelguide. With the fully-charged T200 battery, I get about 2 hours run time. I've ordered the car DC adapter from Medina Tech for self-contained car-only use. 08-03-2002 14:36:29

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email That should read 'D:\tm1999', not 'D:™1999' above. The scripting language is too clever by half... 08-03-2002 14:41:17

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) NormConquest Profile | Email Guru: I was thinking it would be useful to include my hometown city streets. Is the map data organized on the CD in a way that you could subset a city or state and use a program such as Virtual CD to put those files or directories on the HD? 08-04-2002 06:34:00

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email At first glance, I found no menu selection in Tripmaker 1999 to import state-wise street data. I'll look into the possibility of simply copying over selected files from the CD to the flash disk, if that's possible. In Streetfinder 2000, the street data is organized state-wise, so its possible to import data for a single state. However, Streetfinder 2000 is a 124 MB install for the software alone, with map data over and above that. Moreover, it barfed up some error when I tried to run it (probably ran out of RAM, but I'm not sure - there's a big AVI file that it installs, along with all the associated DLLs and assorted eye-candy). So I went with Tripmaker 1999 which is a smaller install, even with highway data. Any clues, folks? I'm not very familiar with the features of all the Windows map programs. Somebody recommended SA4, but I don't have that with me, only SA3. 08-04-2002 14:00:33

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile Battery Problem Solved - I think I have 7 units, and on one, batteries that worked fine in other units didn't work, similar to a problem posted ealier. Well, I took a good look at the unit in question, and noticed that the little sliding door the covers the battery release button wasn't closing all the way. I jammed it shut and TA-DA! The battery now works fine. 08-04-2002 14:58:15

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) chaezewhiz Profile | Email LinuxGuru-  Where did you get that 44-pin dual-row mini-berg strip (with 2.0 mm spacing) connector? Thanks, -chaeze Miracle in a Can 08-04-2002 20:26:34

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Profile | Email I got the mini-berg strip with 2 mm spacing (50 pins, from which I snapped off 6 pins) at a local surplus outlet in San Jose - most probably Excess Solutions on Brokaw Rd. or Alltronics on Zanker Rd (are these guys still around?), I don't remember which exactly. Check out the components section at Fry's also. 08-04-2002 20:43:12

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) DMasier Profile Alltronics moved from Zanker Rd in SJ to Morgan Hill, I beleive. Don't know about Excess Solutions I have had sucess in the past at R&D electronic parts http://www.randdelectronicparts.com/ R & D Electronic Parts • 370 Montague Expressway • Milpitas, CA 95035-6832 • Phone (408)-262-7144 • (800) 675-1177 They are not cheap but they have stuff. (This thead getting long. I have a cable modem and it still takes too long to load.) 08-05-2002 02:46:31

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) Musicman38 Profile | Email I'm interested in putting in a larger hard drive in the Dynapad. Can someone recommend the adaptor I will need to put one of my Standard 2.5 inch IDE drives in the unit ? -Musicman38 08-05-2002 07:40:05

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile no, 2.5 will not fit inside t200 - no space left!!! :( 08-05-2002 08:41:39

RE:T-200 (modified 0 times) jtrich47 Profile HELP. Just got my T-200, and trying to boot I get a GDI.EXE failure. Can someone send me this file? I thought theses things were tested??? I don't have a win 3.1 system around, so if someone could send me there that would be soo helpful. Thanks, Jim. jimtrich (at) attbi (dot) com 08-05-2002 13:30:42