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New MessageToshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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There is some discussion already on another thread on this Server, but I thought others would be interested in this unit that retailed for $1300.00

These units are now only $199.00 .
The unit has a great looking case will look good in an A/V rack, and runs Redhat Linux, 20 GBHD, and 64MBRAM, 9 LAN Ports, AMD k6-350 CPU. Sets up through its webpage.
The unit holds two 2.5 inch hard drives, not sure if it would address a larger Hard Drive larger than 20.
The shipping is expensive at $36.00 .
I'm going to hold out a day or two as I search the internet and read all the reviews.
But my first impression is this is a great deal, and I am fighting the temptation to just order it (Someone please tell me its a bad deal so I won't.. Ha Ha) .
My only concern is the fact it says nothing about public webpage access only intranet (Bummer).
But it would host my MP3 files great from what I read, and works with my Audiotron.
Anyone have one of these yet ?
Heres one of many reviews I saw.
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,48349,00.asp

Ahhh so many toys, so little time to play with them..

-Musicman

08-26-2002 10:06:50

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,48349,00.asp
08-26-2002 10:09:56

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Opps sorry to note where to buy them at..

http://www.notebooktrade.com/products/Servers/Toshiba/Magnia_SG10.html

08-26-2002 10:11:04

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Looks good musicman, any idea wether the processor is upgradeable? Is the software upgradable? Any I/O besides Ethernet? I mean, short of pulling its HD, that is...
08-26-2002 14:31:34

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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GWIZAH,
OK, I could not wait and had to order one today, it will ship out tomorrow.
The guy that took my order indicated that Yes the processor is upgradable as the SG20 has a 577 Mhz processor in it, and the specs seem identical other than a larger hard drive and faster CPU. But that said I would think that 350Mhz is fine to serve up most files.
The fact it has a 20 Gig drive, and 8 port 10/100 switch, and router built in, makes it pretty attractive.
For my use it would be a server to host all my MP3 files.
Don't see why one could not install other Linux software upgrades on it, the only catch would the fact there is no keyboard or VGA connectors. So you would have to remove the drive and install it in another computer to redo the drive.
Another interesting thing is that it has two drive bays that are mounted so the user can add or remove the hard drives without opening the case.. I'll through in 128 RAM in mine and it should do fine.
I'm beting this unit has some real potential, and almost every review I read gave it a pretty good rating.
I think like many other products it was just way over priced at $1300.00, and did not do well.
But at $199.00 It's a steal..
-Musicman
08-26-2002 16:14:25

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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I bought one of these about a month ago at the $275 price. On the up side, it is a very nicely made product. Metal case, cool LCD, and as mentioned earlier, hard drives that can be swapped out using thumb screws. Very quiet, and seemingly built to the $1200 quality level. That said, there are also some negatives, some of which I have not been able to overcome.

Hardware:
1. This uses 2.5" IBM travelstar notebook harddrives, which best case run you a bit more than standard drives, and limit you in maximum size. Because there is no monitor/keyboard input, and no formatting utility built into the web based interface, you cannot just buy a 2.5" drive and plug it in, and Toshiba sells 20 gig drive formatted for the SG10 for $250!! I was able to solve this by making an image of the original drive and transferring it to a 20 gig IBM I got from googlegear, that worked fine. Once the image was there you can within the web interface choose to use the drive as backup to the first drive, or extra storage and it will reformat the drive accordingly.

2. The SG10 uses a K6-2 AMD processor, so it is a different motherboard than the SG20 which uses a Celeron. The board is highly proprietary (using a daughterboard to connect the hard drive, and having a 6 port hub built in), and it is provided with no documentation (you can download the user manual in PDF, which is the only documentation it comes with, off the Toshiba support site). I do not know if it is upgradeable to a faster K6-2, but I doubt it. If you are using this for a Linux box or with the original software that probably does not matter. A bigger issue would be if there was a VGA/Keyboard/mouse dock somewhere inside, which I did not see. Lacking this makes preloading some other software more difficult than the 3Com, as you would have to somehow automate the hardware recognition process, and then access the unit through its ethernet or built in modem connections. I am not smart enough to do that.

Software: Here is the big one, the Toshiba software, accessible only through their web interface, is designed for maximum automatic set up, and absolute minimum flexibility. It insists on being the DCHP server in your system, and renaming your work group (although you can rename it back). It also insists on using the address 192.168.1.1, for itself, and according to Toshiba support, this is not adjustable (I'm sure it is, but perhaps it is not through the web interface). This made it icompatible with my MSN Broadband Arescom Modem which insists on the same address and is also not adjustable. Toshiba just told me it would not work and to return it, which I have not yet done, and am not sure notebooktrade would do. I have not yet figured this one out and would appreciate any help.

On the other hand, if you do have a compatible broadband connection, and want a very simple plug and play internet gateway that is also pre set up for simple web pages (and I mean simple, all they let you insert your company logo but not change much else), storing photos or MP3 files, then for $199 you are getting something that is much cooler than a broadband router for not much more money.

Now, if someone could figure out how to load Clarkconnect or some other more flexible software on to this without using a keyboard or VGA interface this could be a very cool box. Perhaps keyboard and VGA connectors exist and I did not recognize them. If this could be hacked, it would be well worth it, though if the 3Com boxes are still available from Ebay at the same or lower price, that is a much easier hack. I would be very interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who gets in on this.

08-27-2002 05:34:22

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Being that this thing runs linux by default, most likely, editing it to allow telnet access, if not already available would be possible. With shell access, it would be possible to do lot of different software changes. Although it may be a better idea to load a different linux distro anyway. I don't have one to try so can't comment too much on this. With a quick web check, it turns out that NetMax is selling the SG10 with NetMax installed on it also, although for a much higher price. I don't see too much problem in getting a different distro installed.
kNiTe-oWl
08-27-2002 18:38:48

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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got two of these and have been waiting for u hackers to catch on and help me make ths thing fulfill its potential.

anyone have the netmax image? the defaul tosh is very restricting in its workgroup setup, no roup security per say just crazy access levels of 1 2 or 3. only public and private shares no abiity to define a share and apply security like e-smith software. email service is crippled to be a postoffice ie can only grab and forward external mail to an isp (mail mirroring i think its called)

i tried to telnet to it but no dice, not sure about ssh

willing to try stuff, if someone wants to work with me on it jdouglas@empowwwer.com

08-27-2002 19:38:44

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) petejengkol
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sounds interesting...
can you post internal images, I might buy one, if hackable.
I'm pretty sure, no telnet, ssh etc, for security reason..the only way is web based admin.
I'm using 3com IS, with clarkconnect 1.0..


Pete

08-28-2002 09:30:01

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Thanks Groch, for all the details on the SG10.
Bravo on the Hard Drive idea, wonder if a 40 GB Hard drive will work OK.
Mine is ordered and on the way, should have it by Friday or Tuesday.
After reading everything I am convinced that there must be a way to reconfigure the Linux OS and get some of the limitations removed.
It wanting to be a DHCP server at 192.168.0.1 has got to go, but I can work all my other network equipment around that problem for the short haul.
I actually don't want to use it as a Router, but just as a MP3 file server to hold all my files, and I would need full access to its hard drive.
But if everything loads from Linux then it should be possible to change almost any configuration on it.
Maybe I am dreaming here, but I see no reason we should not be able to easily hack this unit.
08-29-2002 09:00:29

New MessageToshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Here is couple of great shots of the SG10.
http://www.netmax.com/
And as another user here said it already been hacked/upgraded by Netmax.
Details:
http://www.netmax.com/products/magnia_prods.html
Quotes from their Webpage:
"The NetMAX Magnia SG10 Internet Appliance is pre-loaded with NetMAX VPN Server Suite and NetMAX Professional. Just plug into your network and configure. Be up and running in minutes!"
-Musicman
08-29-2002 09:18:16

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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The multi-PDF manual can be found HERE:

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_docFrm.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0223249136.1030637805@@@@&BV_EngineID=ladcfchmgmfibfekcghcfmfdgll.0&file=content%2fsupport%2fpdf_files%2fUserguides%2fmagsg10_ug_intro.pdf&moid=119519&soid=111880

08-29-2002 09:48:13

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Here's a link to the Quick Start Guide (4 Pages) it gives a pretty good discription of the Unit and it features.
http://www.netmax.com/support/sg10install.pdf
After reading what the folks at Netmax did with the unit, I am convinced it will upgrade with
a little work. And I hope to gain access to it's built in Display to show system/network events. Can't wait till
mine arrives to get started..
-Musicman
08-29-2002 19:58:54

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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I feel like a mod of the e-smith software (www.e-smith.org) would work nicely on this unit, has all the bells and whistles built in and web browser driven, modular also for addins as needed. Version 5.5 is built on RH 7.2 I believe.
08-29-2002 22:09:46

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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I hope you gentlemen are right about our ability to replace the Toshiba software straitjacket with another interface, even nicer if the LCD display can be maintained. Once again, the hardware issues as I see it are:
1. No Keyboard or mouse access
2. No Monitor output
3. No Floppy or CDrom to boot from
4. No telnet access (so far)
5. Proprietary Motherboard

If no one else does it first, I will dissasemble and take some photos of the guts over the weekend. Obviously the Toshiba and Netmax folks made a way to develop, and I am sure troubleshoot this thing so there are probably unused ports inside of some kind.

08-30-2002 02:27:43

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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I have posted pictures of the innards of the SG10 Here: http://groups.msn.com/TheRochFamily/shoebox.msnw

There are a couple of expansion slots/ connectors for another harddrive and floppy I had not seen before, and a weird plug near the main power plug. In order to connect anything to the PCI-looking expansion slots you would need to get a cable to replace the short jumper plug that connects the main board to the hard drive board (you can see it in the expansion shot.) They sit on top of each other. In addition, you would have to remove the back of the case or remove the mainboard from the case for length reasons.

08-31-2002 07:44:28

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Groch !!! You are the Man !!!

Thanks for the photos.
If my eyes don't deceive me,
It looks like 2 IDE connectors, 1 floppy connector and
2 PCI card slots, and 1 APG video Card slot ?
I bet there is even a header for a keyboard in there somewhere.

One would think it's entirely possible to put a 3.5 hard drive in this puppy.
May or may not fit in the Case.
Do you think if one removed the entire Hard drive board and the 2 IBM drives, would it be possible
to connect one large IDE drive to the units Main board ?
What do you think ?

If this is possible I'm gonna snap up another unit.

Mine will arrive Tuesday, and I will help you investigate this very cool unit.
-musicman

08-31-2002 13:08:10

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Another look shows it has 2 Memory slots. (Upgrade this unit to 128MB RAM it will sing)
And a standard ATX power supply connector, and an AT style Power supply connector.

I bet the daughter board could be removed from the unit and it would still work (Guessing here) after a modified OS was installed.
But it has the 7 port hub, and WAN and LAN expansion connector on it.
So if I removed the daughter board, I may be able to fit a 3.5 Hard drive in the unit, and small footprint
PCI LAN card to replace the lost hub and LAN port.
I would install large standard IDE drive in it, much better for my use as an MP3 Server.

Also when needed an APG Video Card could be used to do upgrades.
If only a keyboard header is found, then this is way easy to hack.

I know I am totally guessing here, but from all your photo's it totally possible to hack.

HEY Groch, Look around to see if you find a Keyboard Header or anything that looks like it.
Standard keyboard only needs 5 wires (I think)..

OH another question, what is the Wattage of the Power Supply ?

OK, one more what is the BIOS chip ? AMD ? any ID numbers on it ?
The BIOS chip should be by the IDE connectors.

-musicman

08-31-2002 13:27:57

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) robby
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from the last pic you can see the bios is AMIBIOS.
http://groups.msn.com/TheRochFamily/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=8

A little searching and I see lots of SG10s with built in wireless. I wonder how they implement this and if we can add it on to this non-wireless SG10.

It looks like pretty much a standard PC matx motherboard so I'm guessing there are 2 PS2 headers are under the green PCB( driver for LCD? ) or at least a point to solder them on. Try and look for markings on the motherboard for a manufacturer, I'm guessing its not a custom job( at least I'm hoping that ).


I have no experience with those small LCDs can they be easily controlled through a standard program to output some stats? Maybe winamp MP3 info or bandwith useage would be nice.

I'm also wondering if thats an onboard switch or an onboard hub, it seems to be used interchageably in the descriptions.

I dont know much about rackmounts, is that a 1U rackmount power supply?

Considering how much it looks like a standard PC, its odd that it can turn on without a vid card or keyboard. I did a little googling and I found a place that sold a KVM unit specifically for it, cant find the link again tho.

Oh and great job with the pics, very helpful :).

08-31-2002 15:25:29

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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Forget the wireless stuff, its a pcmcia card for the SG20 which looks to be a Celeron box.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7915816249.html

08-31-2002 15:42:16

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) Groch
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Keyboard input found, didn't look close enough at first. At least I think it is a keyboard plug: I have posted a new picture: http://groups.msn.com/TheRochFamily/shoebox.msnw
If you look at the lower left corner of the main motherboard picture you can see it there too.
I removed the Modem daughter card which reveals a white plug which I do not recognize.

The case is pretty small to house any other hardrives etc except on a temporary basis. This is beginning to look easier. The only thing that looks like a brand on the motherboard says PMX

08-31-2002 16:05:06

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) robby
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looks like an old school AT keyboard.

I'm new to linux, is it used to running headless?

08-31-2002 16:19:25

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Groch... Thanks again, this is great !!! very nice work..

I believe that this unit can be hacked for sure. It has all the parts needed.
so far based on your photos we now know following about the SG10:

1. (2) IDE Standard Conectors (1 being a blue header indicating it supports the newer enhanced IDE drives)
2. (1) Floppy Drive COnnector
3. (2) PCI Card Slots
4. (1) 64 bit AGP Video Card Slot
5. (2) SDRAM Memory slots (Likely PC100)
6. (1) Standard AT Keyboard connector (Interesting its not a PS2 connector)
7. (1) Standard AMI BIOS ?

Now I am beginning to think this unit may have the capacity to support a PCMCIA Card (Can you say wireless networking)
Groch, If can you take a photo of the back side of the larger Daughter Board we can see if it has headers for a PCMCIA slot.
Also a photo of the back side of the Main Board might uncover some other interesting things.


What is that small Green board attached to the main board ?
Anyone have any ideas what it is ?
Maybe a closeup photo of the little green board to show the chips on it. (Hint Hint..)

I'll have my unit on Tuesday and will likely place a 2nd order for another based on the findings here.


-musicman

08-31-2002 20:22:06

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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I wonder if the SG10 may also be the same Mainboard as the SG20.
And if it supports a 350Mhz processor, I would guess it will support a 550Mhz processor.

Plug in a keyboard, and a video card and I bet you could acces the BIOS, and see the whole Linux boot process.
A mouse is not needed as it will not (Likely) have have any GUI software loaded on it, just plain Text Red Hat Linux.

The Built in LCD Display is a dream, and could have many uses with a little work.

Thanks Robby thats a nice link to the SG20
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7915816249.html

-musicman

08-31-2002 20:37:41

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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ok again I'm wrong, the SG10 does come in a wireless flavor. Specifically its SG10PKG01, its right in the pdf listed on Notebook Trade's site( duh.. ).

Here's the mainboard stats run down of what we know so far:

Confirmed:
AMD K6-2E 350
SIS 540 chipset
2 DIMM slots
(1) 64mb pc100 dimm(corfirmed as standard DIMM ?)
2 line backlit LCD
120Watt power supply
standard printer port

Not confirmed:
2 IDE headers
1 floppy connector
1 AT keyboard connector

Tried to find out what PMX was, I found a company called PreMAX which seems to be Actiontec now, which makes networking hardware. No idea if thats the PMX from the one stamped on the mainboard.

Heres the stuff I want to know:
1. I'd like to know how we can make this wireless, its unlikely its done through the pci slot. Is there maybe an empty mini-pci slot or custom header?
2. I'm really curious what type of formatting is used.
3. I'm also curious where the LCD plugs into the board.

08-31-2002 21:51:57

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Did a little reading on this. It turns out that the SG20 has an internal wireless card. The SG10 however does not have room internal for wireless hardware. From the Toshiba docs, it turns out that if you want wireless with the SG10, they sell a wireless basestation that you attach to one of the network ports. This creates a wireless bridge that allows you to use wireless networking. The wireless basestation that toshiba sells to allow the SG10 to be used in a wireless environment is the "Orinoco AP-500 Access Point" Hope this helps those who want to try wireless. Most likely other Access Points can be used also.

And for those that care, NO the SG10 and SG20 do not use the same motherboard. The SG10 uses a K6II processor while the SG20 uses a Celeron processor.


kNiTe-oWl
08-31-2002 22:51:19

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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WOW! I go work for a couple of days and you guys get the thing apart, get the pics and decipher all the innards, unbelievable.

Groch, I havent even looked at it yet but perhaps you can give a walkthru on opening up the unit...any tricks? Anyone try the keyboard yet (anyone even have an AT keyboard to connect?).

I remembered reading somewhere that the sg10 had wireless capabilites via a separate wireless basestation connecting through a port. From what I remember the SG20 actually uses a PCMCIA card for wireless, it has a slot on the back of the unit.

After all your discoveries Im encouraged that this unit can be fully hacked. While I like the mp3 server idea I hope everyone still wishes to pursue the idea of an enhanced version of whats already there functionally.

08-31-2002 23:42:14

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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The unit comes apart and goes together very simply, you just need a medium philips as all the screws are the same. The mini-board at the back of the mainboard is a modem, I have posted some shots of it removed.
You can indeed just barely fit an AGP video card in the slot without removing the back of the unit.

My goal would be to install clarkconnect which is a free flexible server/gateway with a built in photo server, and a Samba share that can be used to store MP3s or whatever. (E-smith may do the same thing and I would be interested in hearing opinions on the differences.)

Wireless should be no problem, either by direct connection to an external wireless gateway, or by connecting to a linksys WET11 which could probably turn a toaster wireless.

Clarkconnect installation would probably be similar to the 3-Com very well documented here: http://www.rath.ca/Misc/3Com-3C19504/Enhancements.shtml

One challenge exists that I have no solution for before even starting - the harddrive/lan board PCI connection. One boards PCI slot plugs directly into the other with the jumper shown in one of my pictures. With this connection made there is no way for the AGP card to fit. We could temporarily set up the software by plugging lan cards into the 2 PCI slots and then hope after everything is set up that Clarkconnect would automatically recognize the SG10s Hub/Lan and reconfigure after everything was reinstalled. On the other hand it would be much simpler if the AGP video could be rigged to run from outside of the case with the lan/hardrive board reconnected.

09-01-2002 08:25:26

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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One piece of advice for those of you who are about to receive yours. Your first step before booting it up the first time you should make an image from the original hard drive. In case you need to return the unit for service, or want to add a second drive, it comes in very handy.
09-01-2002 08:46:38

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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If the SG20 uses a 566Mhz socket 7 Celeron processor, then its possible the SG10 with it's AMD-K6 350Mhz will likely be the same MOBO, and upgradable to the faster processor.
Most standard Mother boards I have used that support an AMD 350 would usually support an AMD 550Mhz processor.
Once I get mine, I'm going to plug an AGP card into it and see if I can get into the BIOS setup, and see what options there are.
So far from the photos and documents it looks (Guessing) like pretty much a standard Mother board with standard BIOS.

-musicman

09-01-2002 16:06:46

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Musicman, 566 Celerons are not socket 7, they are socket 370, Sorry but it will not work.
09-01-2002 16:40:22

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) MrHack
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You guys probley never heard of me before, im a normal to these boards but dont talk that much. Well heres something that might help you guys. I just ordered my sg10 last night and im going to order these tommarrow.
What are you ask? AGP and pci FLEXABLE risers
thats right flexable so u can move them wherever you want.
I belive the agp one will work but the pci one is iffy.
Heres the agp riser:http://www.rackmountpro.com/productpage.cfm?prodid=813 its 50bucks
and
Pci Riser:http://www.rackmountpro.com/productpage.cfm?prodid=594 20bucks

Im ordering the agp but im going to wait to see if someone get the pci to see if it fits.

Your welcome ;)

MrHack

09-02-2002 04:35:46

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Thanks MrHack,
I apperciate the real value of this BBS when someone steps forward to share new Info.
I searched for last night to no avail looking for an AGP or PCI flexable header, but could not find one.
And there you are with the infomation...
I may invest in one myself, because it would make installing a new OS eaiser with the daughter board connected, so it could be auto detected with the install process.
I'll get the PCI at $20, vrs the AGP at $50 (Ouch!!), and just use a PCI Video Card while upgrading the unit.
After its upgrade I'll yank it back out as I won't need video anymore.
-musicman
09-02-2002 06:49:43

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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MrHack, Ditto what Musicman said, welcome and thanks for the help...if I remember right you are an old fellow epodser.

You may want to wait on ordering the AGP until you have a chance to see the SG10 in person. Even with the flexibile connection it might not work. If you look at the picture of the Hard drive/hub board, there is very little space when its buttoned up. You could get a ribbon cable out, but you could not I think fit a card in there, even flat.

On the other hand the PCI adapter could be used as a bridge to the hard drive board, allowing it to operate and give us the space we need to work. There is one other connection we would need to bridge.

There is a 12 pin connector from HD board to the Modem (just to the left of the hole in its center). That one would be easy to jumper. Certainly it would be worth $20 to find out (wonder if they rent them ;)

09-02-2002 07:16:35

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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Several things I did like about the e-smith software over clark connect:

1 ability to create groups and "idrives" (samba shares) and make them accessible to those via internet
2 MANY MANY addons and modified RPM installers for VPN, firewall enhancements, ecommerce server and tons of other stuff
3 reconfigurable through the menu by reruning setup
may come in handy with the disconnecting and reconnecting scenario on the lan/wan adapters. you cna set it up for standalone and install it then reconfigure to use the gateway option
4 installed it on many types of hardware and it always worked and detected everything.
5 latest version 5.5 based on the RH 7.2 kernel (im not sure about clarkconnect)

see more at www.e-smith.org

09-02-2002 16:44:26

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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James,
I spent some time on the http://www.e-smith.org website you suggested.

Most impressive OS, and the documentation is very extensive.
It looks like a perfect choice for my own needs.

But that said I wonder what Toshiba used in their own design, and if
the existing Linux can be easily modified.
I guess the trick will be to have that video card installed and see whats inside.

Without even having my unit yet, my wish list starts with the following three items.

(1) Disable the need for the SG10 to be a DHCP Server.
(2) Enable the machine to serve web pages to the internet.
(3) Ability to program it's little Display to say Cool Things (Grin)...

I may have a larger list after I get my unit and start playing with it.

-Musicman

09-02-2002 21:20:58

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) tightwad
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I have been reading manuals for this unit, and believe that one can access the file system via telnet, with root privileges, and that the unit will act as an http server out of the box. I confess that I not proficient with telnet or linux, so don't know how much that can get you, but wouldn't there be the ability to turn off DHCP via telnet (also customize IP and workgroup)?

The extended manual, linked above, indicate in Chapt. 4 that:

"The Magnia SG10 can be configured to allow access to its intranet
sites from the Internet, essentially allowing it to host an Internet
site. The same is true of its File Transfer Protocol (FTP) and email
functions. To modify the firewall to open TCP/IP ports associated
with these features, allowing unsolicited access from the Internet,
make sure the firewall is on, and then click Customize on the
Firewall page to access the Firewall Advanced Configuration
screen."

In the FAQs on Toshiba's site, it explains how to use telnet to correct a misentered firewall rule. Telnet to the unit's IP, log in as telnetuser, pwd toshiba, enter "su -" at the prompt, and you are at user level and can access /etc/rc.d/init.d, and use vi to edit it.

Maybe I am missing something, but musicman38's desires seem to be easier to achieve than installing a new OS.

09-02-2002 22:55:57

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) tightwad
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I have been reading manuals for this unit, and believe that one can access the file system via telnet, with root privileges, and that the unit will act as an http server out of the box. I confess that I not proficient with telnet or linux, so don't know how much that can get you, but wouldn't there be the ability to turn off DHCP via telnet (also customize IP and workgroup)?

The extended manual, linked above, indicate in Chapt. 4 that:

"The Magnia SG10 can be configured to allow access to its intranet
sites from the Internet, essentially allowing it to host an Internet
site. The same is true of its File Transfer Protocol (FTP) and email
functions. To modify the firewall to open TCP/IP ports associated
with these features, allowing unsolicited access from the Internet,
make sure the firewall is on, and then click Customize on the
Firewall page to access the Firewall Advanced Configuration
screen."

In the FAQs on Toshiba's site, it explains how to use telnet to correct a misentered firewall rule. Telnet to the unit's IP, log in as telnetuser, pwd toshiba, enter "su -" at the prompt, and you are at user level and can access /etc/rc.d/init.d, and use vi to edit it.

Maybe I am missing something, but musicman38's desires seem to be easier to achieve than installing a new OS.

09-02-2002 23:11:33

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Hey Tightwad,
Thank You for that quote from the SG10 manual.
Again it's fantastic how everyone contributes in this forum.
I confess I totally missed that important piece of information that you quoted from the manual, and like you said it may work just fine with it's existing Linux Operating system "Out of the Box".
My needs are pretty simple, (1) the DHCP has to go, (2) ability to access hosted webpages from the internet.
Only other is the fun of flashing Cool messages on its little display..
Hopefully I will get mine in today, and start playing with it.
Thanks again.
-Musicman
09-03-2002 10:46:35

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I've downloaded the PDFs and am getting excited about this thing. I in fact just bought a Shuttle SV24 to use as a home server box, but it may be more fun to use for other purposes. So I'm looking at the Magnia thinking maybe I could convince the boss it's just a router or something (too many PCs already). Anyway, can anyone speak to the following:
1. How many does Computer Trade have...how quickly might I have to decide this
2. How noisy or quiet is this thing--I'd want to put in a "public place" in my home (the Shuttle is noisy BTW)
3. Might the Digital Jukebox that is built-in work w/my Rio Receiver (talks of the Turtle Beach audiotron)
I think I will want to use it "as-is" out-of-the-box as I have too many other projects to want to hack this one!
09-03-2002 13:44:23

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I found the Photo Album and Digital Jukebox info with the SG20, and since this sw is SUPPOSED TO be shipping w/the SG10 from notebooktrade, can anyone confirm:

- Digital Central in-box
- Home Automation

The last has me REALLY excited--I wonder if this is thrown-in along w/the Photo/Video/Music/Camera features. Anyone got theirs from notebook trade yet????

09-03-2002 14:32:56

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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From every review I have read the SG10 is very quite, and can sit with your Audio Video equipment unnoticed.
And after reading "tightwads" quotes from the manual, I don't see much of a need to do anything but run it out of the box.
Only thing I want to do is disable the fact the SG10 by default wants to be a DHCP server, and I see no problem doing that. I just personally already have a D-Link Router in place and am to Lazy to change it over (Grin..)

(1) I just want to use it to host my MP3 files to my Audiotron and other computers in my home.
(2) I want it to serve up simple Web Pages, accessed by my Broadband internet connection.

Don't know what stock is left, but at the $199 price they will go pretty fast.
I have seen them already on eBay with starting bids at $250.00 and all the way up to $1100.00 on other sites.

-Musicman

09-03-2002 14:38:55

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Groch has two already so he is the Man to ask about the Home Automation question software or whatever that is you mentioned.
I would be very interested in that also..
I presently use Homeseer for my Home Automation, but it needs WinBlows to run on (Smile..)
There are several Home Automation programs out there that run on Linux, so that is an idea I had not thought of yet.

I was hopeing I would get mine today, but the holiday must have delayed it some, hopefully tomorrow.
I just placed a second order today for one more SG10 just for a backup.
I'll let ya know when I get mine..
-Musicman

09-03-2002 14:52:08

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I had to order one myself...the wife is gonna kill me!

In re-reading this thread I notice Groch had said it was very quiet, but I'm very curious about the "$200 value" software that the SG10 is "now packaged" with, i.e. the ad copy implies it comes with software that did not originally ship with it. Also, I have not been able to find any mention of the Home Automation software except in the SG20 manual (not in the specs or anything).

Note folks that UPS Ground shipping was $31 to my area (gulp!) and I don't expect mine to arrive for another week anyway.

09-03-2002 15:31:14

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) nazareth
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Can anyone comment on how quiet this thing actually is? I'd like to put one
near my home theater gear, but would catch a lot of grief if it were too noisy.
I guess it would be OK if it were on the order of my DirectTIVOs.

Sean

09-03-2002 16:19:58

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Another cool link on the SG10:

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/pr/download/flash/010330_m_sg10_key_features/intro.htm

Since this is apparently a "new" product I have to assume the SG10 was phased-out in favor of the SG20, perhaps due to lack of availabiity of a component or something...

09-03-2002 17:44:07

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Sounds like several of you will have these real soon, I will be very interested to hear your opinions, but here are a couple of other thoughts.
1. Quietness,I rate it very good. It is quieter than most computers, and quieter than the 3Com server I have, but it is not silent. There are 3 fans, (1 in the power supply, 2 on the right side of the case). because of the small size of the case, I think these are quite necessary. You can hear it softly from 6 feet away.

2. Software, I have not played with the software much as most of my efforts were trying to get it to work with my MSN Arescom DSL modem, which I have not been able to get it to do. I briefly looked at all of the modules, and have only the original 3com software, and Clarkconnect to compare it to. Compared to both of them, is designed for extreme simplicity (my first server I suppose). If it does the things you want out of the box then that's OK. The intranet web server seemed to be very restrictive. You could choose from several color schemes, and give it the name and insert the logo of your company, but were not given the option of changing much else. I am a born tweeker, and the inability to change, upgrade, update etc seem very restrictive compared to clarkconnect (and from what I hear of E-smith, that is even more flexible). I did not know you could use this webserver other than as an intranet.

3. As for the $200 home computing software upgrade, the MP3 and photo gallery modules looked fine. It works great with my Audiotron so I imagine it would would with the Rio and other mp3 appliances. Their is no home automation that I saw, but there is the option of purchasing surveilance webcams from Toshiba. The surveilance software is designed to accept only these cameras, I did not investigate them but imagine they cost quite a bit. There is also a training module, basically you can see 3 inch demos of several sales and motivation training modules, and can order the complete set from Toshiba. An interesting marketing concept really. Sell a internet server, and then provide ongoing services to the owners for a monthly fee. I missed all of the references tightwad saw about telnetting, so maybe there is a way to get inside without surgery.

The

09-03-2002 18:21:10

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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groch is right about the loudness factor, Id rate it very good in that respect especially when comparing to a full blown PC.

Nice find on the telnet Ill have to give it a shot...

In regards to the "intranet" accessible from the internet, it is true and from what I understand a level 2 or level 3 ID can actually replace the pages with their own site through the samba share therby getting rid of the useless canned intranet site.

A major limitation I still find with this box is no full mail server functionality. The ability to only act as a postoffice retrieving pop mail from another source cripples this unit. The e-smith is a full blown pop and imap server (using IMP) and if someone could uncripple this function on the tosh it would be greatly appreciated by me at least.

I have an audiotron but not tried it yet with the tosh. Glad to hear it works well and dont see why it wouldnt...Id still like the ability to use domain emulation with groups and user rights. A little more security options that whats available in the canned tosh.

09-03-2002 20:40:27

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Hey this is getting better and better.

In Chapter 4, Page 143 on the Manual, it says.
The SG10 can be configured to allow access to its intranet sites from the internet, essentially allowing it to host an internet site, This includes FTP, and Email functions.
Also allows creation of custom IP chain rules or access to other clients or servers on the local network.

Chapter 3, Page 111

Tells how to turn off the DHCP setting to give the unit a Static IP address.

Chapter 3 also shows how to create custom messages on it little display.

Looks like all my needs are already met with the stock "Out of the Box" Linux software.

UPS tracking shows my first SG10 will be delievered tomorrow, can't wait to play with it...
-Musicman

09-03-2002 22:01:24

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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Musicman-

I may be wrong, but I think what you are referring to is the IP Configuration for the Internet side. Depending on how you connect to the Internet/LAN, you may have a static IP address. I believe the SG10 will still have 192.168.1.1 and will still act as an internal DHCP server. If we can in fact get Telnet access, we should be able to modify these. I ordered mine yesterday, but I haven't received a confirmation yet..

A few more Toshiba links for us lazy people:)

Detailed Telnet Instructions in a Support Bulletin: (watch for wrapping)

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_dtlView.jsp?soid=139008&moid=119519&BV_SessionID=@@@@0428983771.1031150073@@@@&BV_EngineID=hadcfddhkiilbfekcghcfmfdglj.0&ct=SB

All Support Bulletins:

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_modItemList.jsp?moid=119519&ct=SB&BV_SessionID=@@@@0428983771.1031150073@@@@&BV_EngineID=hadcfddhkiilbfekcghcfmfdglj.0

Chris

09-04-2002 07:58:40

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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In case some people missed this, there are many models listed on Toshiba's web site. If you look at the model that notbooktrade.com is selling, SYU3900U-00010, you will find the following specs:

SYU3900U-00010

Replacement for SYU3900U-00003

Magnia SG10 with 1 20GB Hard Drive with 64MB of memory in a Standard Chassis (no provision for Kensington Lock) with the Enhanced Image (SMB with VPN pre-installed plus Digital Photo Album, Digital Music Playlist, and Digital Video Monitoring/Recording)

May be useless info, but I wanted to pass it along..

Chris

09-04-2002 08:08:21

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) SiteExpert
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Does anyone know if this can be used on an NT domain?

I noticed the installation steps describe setting the workgroup to a fixed value. (I use an NT domain controller in my home network).

Thanks.

09-04-2002 14:57:02

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Nice to see additional folks getting involved, none of us is as smart as all of us. Thanks to musicman for starting this thread, and Bystander before him for noticing the original deal in the first place.

I am most interested in the telnet information,celledge came up with, I would imagine that folks less ignorant than I could use this information to, at the very least, tell me how to change the SG10s unfortunate choice of addresses so it would work with my DSL.

I have ordered the PCI ribbon cable from servercase.com, because I think they are a couple of bucks cheaper, and will; once it arrives early next week; try to install either clarkconnect or e-smith. I think I will be happier overall with their flexibility even if I could get the Toshiba software to work. I have the original image if I have to go back.

Anyone wanting to mess with/or add a hard drive will need a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter to image the system on their desktop. compgeeks.com has these for $3.65 plus shipping.

As for the question on NT domain. I can not fire up my toshiba now cause it is in pieces, but I think it possible you could use it to log on to an NT network to gain internet access, but as stated before, the Toshiba software, so far as I can tell, insists on being the DCHP server on the intranet side, and I do not think it is flexible in that regard without some hacking.

09-04-2002 18:40:34

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Well, it seems that notebooktrade caught on. The price is now at %599.00. Not a good deal anymore.
09-04-2002 21:12:45

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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From what is posted, it seems like this version of the SG10 comes with SAMBA installed. If that is the case then it will work in a NT domain just fine. There may not be a GUI interface to adjust this though. I don't have one to check so no definite. If there is no GUI, you can always telnet in and edit the configs for SAMBA manually to allow this function.
kNiTe-oWl
09-04-2002 21:18:21

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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well thats greedy of them... I just got my order in today after they rejected my last order ( different billing/shipping addresses ) for 200. I have a ton of info about the motherboard on my other computer I'll be able to post in a day or two.
09-04-2002 22:04:18

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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Wow, I guess a few of us got lucky. I placed my order yesterday and received my shipping confirmation today. I was hoping that the price would stay low so more apps/hacks would come from the group.

I would also like to thank Musicman for posting this on the Audiotron mail list (I assume this is the same Musicman). As soon as I saw it, I came here. I am also an Audrey user and have found this message board to be the most valuable collection of information.

Modifying the SG10 will be similar to upgrading a Tivo, but we have a big advantage. A standard x86 CPU and hardware. It should be fairly easy to modify get other apps running depending on what distro of Linux they are using. I can't wait to get mine! I plan on pulling the drive and creating a backup image before I power it up. Then get started...

Chris

09-04-2002 22:50:25

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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My guess is that notebooktrade has run out of them and no longer has a cheap source. $200 was about $100 below the ebay price, but $600 is much too high for an AMD K6-2 with 20 gig laptop drive. If you cannot find one of these on Ebay for $250 or so, then I suggest you pick up a 3-com 3C19504 which are plentiful on E-bay for $180 and is an easy hack.

According to some of the documentation referenced in this thread, the Toshiba software is based on Redhat 6.2, so its pretty old stuff.

09-05-2002 02:28:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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yea i read that somewhere too! man cant believe they upped the ante on these things...definately not worth that money out of the box. Id be curious to hear how the e-smith or clark connect install goes. I dont have the HDD adapter yet so Im reluctant to do anything.

Whoever made an image of the drive is it possible to post it for dload somewhere??

09-05-2002 06:12:22

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Hi everyone,
Well I got my first unit in yesterday, and I am pleased as can be.
Tiny little bugger, about 2.5 inches high, and 12 inches wide.
I plugged an old laptop into it's hub in back and was able to find it shared drive called "Myserver"
however thats as far as I got as the software gets an error when setting up.
I went to my broswer to it's built in webpage to manually set it up. but requires a user name and passwork.

Does anyone know the default user name and password on the unit ?

I'm using an old Compaq Laptop with windows 95 on it to test it out.

Apperciate any ideas..

Thanks

-musicman

09-05-2002 06:43:42

New MessageHow to setup the SG10 Manually from a Windows Client PC. (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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The self install disk would not work on my computer for some reason, so i did it manually.

Personally I like to do things manually myself.. He He...

Instructions on how to manually setup the Toshiba SG10

Heres what I did to manually set my up mu SG10 on a Windows 95 workstation.
(Remember you don't want to plug this in to your existing network just yet as by default it wants to be a DHCP host)
Personally I just plugged an old laptop with a NIC installed into the back of the SG10 HUB.

1. Plug it all together (Duhhh)
2. Run Winipcfg on your workstation, hit "Release All", then "Renew All"
It will then find the your new Toshiba SG10 DHCP server with IP address of 192.168.1.1

3. Start your browser type "http://192.168.1.1:8282" You can Telnet also into the unit if you like.
4. Everything you need is there on the page to completely setup the server , clients and everything else.
5. Login in as "applianceadmin" password is "toshiba"

Now if I can turn off DHCP, I can plug it into my whole house network.
If any Linux experts have any ideas on how to do this, Please let me know...

My knowledge is mostly all in Windows networking (What I do for a living), but I have a home filled with Audreys running QNX, and 2 Compaq IA-1's running a version of Linux called Jailbait.

This will be my first attempt to play with a Linux server. (So Excited.. Grin !!)

Again, any Linux'perts out there could ya give me some ideas on turning the DHCP part off of this server and making it a Static IP ?

-musicman

Thanks..

09-05-2002 07:25:23

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) robby
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First off at $1,300 Toshiba is making an absolute killing on these. Next up, I have good news and bad news. Good news first, the motherboard is a Matsonic MS6391 aka PM-586MLR, it has onboard AGP video, 4 speaker sound, lan, ps2 ports, IRDA and modem. There are drivers for windows fairly easily availa ble. Unfortunately the memory for the vid card is shared ram but considering this isnt going to be a gaming rig or even a performace beast that doesnt matter much. All the onboard parts have decent stats for what they need to do.
Next the bad news is that none of these onboard peripherals are accessable without a header. I noticed the vga header cable looks very much like the one used for an MSI i810 rig I have already. The only header cable I see coming with the SG10 is the one for the printer port and the modem if you count that. I'm also guessing the switch/notebook hard drive daughterboard plugs into the onboard LAN port header. The header that has the ps2/usb/irda on it is a standard piece of hardware called an ATX Form card. Good news I found a site that carries all the headers. I havent tested any out but them look to be standardized.

Now here's what you really want, the juicy links:
The stats-
http://www.matsonic.com/ms6391e.htm
The manual-
http://206.135.80.155/manual/ms6391e.pdf
This is the most vauable, this is a definitely download. It has motherboard layouts, compatability list, etc.
Drivers & Bios-
http://www.matsonic.com/download_sis.htm
ATX Form Card pin outs-
http://www.amptron.com/html/atxformcard.pinout.html
ATX Form card for sale and pin out diagram-
http://www.pc-extras.com/prods/hdatxf.html
http://www.cablesonline.net/usbatxforcar.html
http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?action=Showitem&id=ID336449&partno=70599&search=ATX&rsite=www.pccables.co&rcode=
J4 Sound Header for sale with pin out diagram-
http://www.pccables.com/07127.htm
VGA Header for sale-
http://www.pccables.com/07129.htm
(I've never done bussiness with any of them so you'll need to check up on their rep)

Looks like this is basically a cheapo computer in a nice case , 3line LCD screen, switch, and notebook laptop compatability. I'm I'm betting the notebook compatability is built in through hardware so hacking this to be a standard PC should be rediculously easy. Thats no fun though so I'd like to find a way to keep all the hardware functional on another linux distro.

The problems I still see are:
1. Low voltage of the PS will limit expandability. May be a problem if you want to power a cdrom drive or desktop hard drive.
2. Maintaining compatability with the LCD screen. I have absolutely no experience with these, case modders regularly use these so someone out there must be familiar with them.
3. The built in switch is managed via the original software(?), I have no experience with hardware like this so I dont know how tough it will be to find new windows/linux software to maintain useability.

I have a few Qs for those who already have an SG10.
1. I know room is tight, if you remove the switch/notebook daughtercard is there room for a standard HD with the lid closed?
2. Are there standard 4-pin power plugs to plug into cd roms/hard drives.
3. What program are you using to save the image of the old hard drive. I have a USB2.0 external hard drive that I can plug in laptop HDs to, is there any
4. What type of BIOS does the default configuration use?

Oh and very important, just in case you skipped the links, DO NOT plug in an AGP card just yet. The slot is an ADIMM slot,

I'm betting this is the motherboard in the SG20:
http://www.icuepc.com/piii-3755lmb.htm

The order for the headers is on its way to me so I can let you guys know how it goes, I also just placed an order for the SG10 so I should see it in about a week.

Forgot to mentioin, dont forget most of you will probably need a PS>AT connector.

09-05-2002 08:02:20

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Musicman could you describe please what came in the box? I'm particularly curious if you got a "Quick Start" instruction, or better yet a full hardcopy manual. My SG10 is on its way, having gotten just under the wire (shipped yesterday) but it's coming overland and I won't see it til Tuesday earliest. So I need to live vicariously thru you for a couple days. I dunno if these were mis-marked at notebook trade or if they indeed got a bunch for cheap from Toshiba (would likely have to have cost them <$150) but a simple Google shows them to be available from other vendors for $1499 (yes the highest price) so they'd have been nuts to leave their price alone.

In thinking about this DHCP question, I might be inclined to let the box do its thing, and change all my computers from fixed IPs. Currently I do this so I can port-forward and use VNC to get remote access. If there's another way to accomplish this remote access then why not use DHCP? Might be easier in the end?

I have at home an Audrey and an Iopener and a wireless PocketPC and a Rio and a Tivo (linux) (as well as 4 or 5 other misc w2k & w9x boxes too) and some end-user experience w/other Linux boxes at work, so am hopeful this will draw me further into the world of Linux and networking, both of which I have been trying to learn...

09-05-2002 08:21:42

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Laserfan,
First it was packed very well, double boxed.
In my box were only the CD, and a 2 page quick start guide, a LAN cable, and Phone cable, and warranty card.
The 400 + page manual is on the CD in PDF.

I don't think the DHCP should be a problem, I'm sure one of the Linux Guru's here will help change that.
I personally have a D-Link router in place already and it would be a lot of work to change everything.
As I don't need this unit for it built in router, but to host MP3 files, and some small webpages, I just would rather have it a Ststic IP address..

-musicman

09-05-2002 08:55:18

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) iambarry
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looks like these are now listed at $599. Maybe they had mis-entered the price originally. Congrats to all who got one.

http://www.notebooktrade.com/products/Servers/Toshiba/Magnia_SG10.html

--Barry

09-05-2002 09:37:53

New MessageTelnet login help needed (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Can one of the Linux'perts here tell me if there is some sort of root password needed
to login to linux using Telnet ?
When I use Telnet I get the Login prompt:
It says :

Red Hat Linux Release 6.1 (Cartman)
Kernel 2.2.12-20 on an i586
Login:

I need a login & password, the password used in the administrator's menu will not work here.

-musicman

09-05-2002 10:11:22

New MessageSpecial order is $199.00 for limited time on the SG10 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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I bring good news to everyone

If anyone still wants a unit at $199.00 you can call notebook directly and they will honor the original price for users of this Forum.

For un-disclosed reasons they can not publish the old $199.00 price anymore.
(likely Tosbiba and other dealers had a problem with it as oether are selling them for $600.00 or more)

It is also not known how many more orders they will honor at that price or what little stock they have left.

So here is the way you can get the special.

(1) call 1-866-976-7822 ext 23
(2) ask for Gary Ext 23
(3) Tell them "musicman sent you from I-appliance BBS for the special price of $199.00"
(4) remember that shipping is about $36.00 , my order was $235.35


I suggest anyone that still wants one, to get it fast..

Good luck...

-musicman

BTW: Hope you guys read Robby's post on the main board, it has USB, serial, IRDA, Sound, and even built in VGA.
I just happen to have several headers for a mainboard like this, and I know of a source for more. I will post it when I find the information.

09-05-2002 10:56:20

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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Musicman-

The user name should be: telnetuser

And the password should be either the password used for the first configured user account, or if no user accounts were created yet, use: toshiba

Let us know if this works! Can't wait to get mine..

FYI, this info is in the link I posted yesterday.

Chris

09-05-2002 11:05:18

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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If someone gets telnet working, they can help us pinpoint some config files. Since we know the box is running RedHat 6.1, we can assume a few things. Note: I do not have my SG10 yet, so I haven't tested this. I am basing this on my experience with normal RedHat distributions.
Ethernet config files are normally located in the following directory:

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX (Where X = 01234...)

I assume that we will have both an eth0 and an eth1. These files configure the IP address, Netmask, etc.. If you view these files, one should be set to 192.168.1.1, which is the internal address and causing the most problems. The other should be the external IP address and may be set from DHCP (from the cable modem, etc.)

As for the DHCP server, we should be able to check the status by doing a "chkconfig --list dhcpd" (without quotes) at the command prompt. You should see the status of dhcpd, for example "dhcpd on". To turn the DHCP server off, you can try using "chkconfig dhcpd off" (without quotes). Again, this is assuming RedHat 6.1 and that the chkconfig utility is loaded on the server. That should disable DHCP.

If you are not comfortable with turning off DHCP server, maybe you can tell us if the chkconfig utility is loaded. I will do some testing when mine arrives. Hope this helps..

Chris

09-05-2002 12:13:28

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Musicman you said:

>Hope you guys read Robby's post on the main board, it has USB, serial, IRDA, Sound, and even built in VGA.

What's "the main board"??? Where is this, can you post a link? I searched on SG10 and couldn't find anything on either the BBS or at linux-hacker.net.

09-05-2002 12:13:38

New MessageTelnet Login help needed (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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celledge,

Thank you for the telnet login:

Login is "telnetuser"
password is "admin"

This this gets me the [telnetuser@myserver telnetuser] $

Prompt.. From there I will have to rely on everyones help as I am a windows man (Opps Sorry), but I look at this as a great way to learn linux..
This unit is very cool...
-musicman

09-05-2002 12:15:36

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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And ROBBY !!!! You are The Man !!!!

Thank You, Thank You... I am so pumped to think this is a full fledged computer.

I will install the VGA connector, and hang it out the back of the case, likewise with the USB,Serial, and Audio, PS2, At least for now.
One day it may be possible to cut the case and even fit those connections in , but I want to keep the warranty in tact for the time being.
The Keyboard could be a problem as there is no room to plug the keyboard connector in while in the case, but since it has USB already then my trusty USB keyboard should work in it, assuming the BIOS supports USB Keyboard.

-musicman

09-05-2002 12:41:35

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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for laptops with 1 PS2 port you can usually get a splitter to plug in both a mouse and a keyboard into the same port. I dont know if a laptop has any extra hardware to implement this, I dont have a ps2 splitter handy but I'll definitely try it when i get everything in. Unfortunately my billing address and my current address are far apart so it'll be a while until I actually see the SG10.
09-05-2002 13:02:51

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) keith721
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Gary at NotebookTrade is a very busy man!!

And a very nice man to deal with, as well. :D

Musicman's "good news" is absolutely correct, and I promised Gary that I'd confirm their excellent customer service to others on the message board. I spoke with him about 4:00 p.m. EDT on Thursday, and will gladly deal with them again, given the opportunity.

Thanks, everyone !!

09-05-2002 13:24:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) keith721
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Gary at NotebookTrade is a very busy man!!

And a very nice man to deal with, as well.

Musicman's "good news" is absolutely correct, and I promised Gary that I'd confirm their excellent customer service to others on the message board. I spoke with him about 4:00 p.m. EDT on Thursday, and will gladly deal with them again, given the opportunity.

Thanks, everyone !!

09-05-2002 13:26:20

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Robbie, Thanks for the great post. I would be interested to know how you recognized the board. Looks like I may not need the PCI adapter I ordered after all. the VGA header is a must, everything else is only necessary if you really want to convert this into a full fledge, but slow, computer.

The motherboard information indicates you could upgrade the CPU to an AMD K6-III 550 if you can find one.

To answer Robs Questions:
1. Even without the daughterboard a standard hardrive would be very tight, I do not think it would fit, but it would be close.
2. I see no 4 pin power plugs for CDrom drives, I was so excited to see the IDE connectors I had not even thought of that. The only connector out of the power supply goes to the motherboard. This is a potential problem. I am willing to stick with the laptop drives to keep the LAN switch, so I may be able to use anther power supply long enough to install clarkconnect or e-smith, but I am sure that there is some way to splice into the existing power.
3. I used Symantec ghost to image the drives, and am not sure if it will work through a USB interface or not.
4. The Bios says Amibios American Megatrends 586@1985-1995 and HN85677 on it. cannot tell what version til I get a VGA header.

Once again thanks for all the information, makeing some real progress now.

Glad to see the notebooktrade folks are not getting greedy after all. I am in retail myself and understand that manufacturers can get nasty if you advertise products low enough that it threatens other accounts.

09-05-2002 18:35:14

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) robby
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I figured out which motherboard it was by looking up the chipset. From there I narrowed it down by visually looking for a motherboard similar to the pics you shot. Then I did some digging to get some live links for the drivers, manuel, etc. The hardest part was finding a place that sold those headers, I just got lucky there because they are standard AT headers. Even then, finding a place that stocked them was a pain.

I'm curious, is the switch part of the SG10 basically a seperate switch or is it managed by the SG10? I'd really like to be able to get Mandrake(i'm a linux noob) on there and keep it running as a switch/router/firewall as well as a light web server. Basically I'd like to use this to learn linux, especially its networking components.

Also, how long was the time between when you ordered and when they shipped? I ordered this yesterday morning and still havent recieved shipping confirmation.

09-05-2002 20:05:48

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Raymond_Day
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Hi all. 1st time posting here. I order mine on Labor Day Sept 2 and they sent it out the next day. I should get it Monday the 9th. I did not get any email that they sent it. I seen the price went up and thought I will not get one. I called and gave them my order number and phone number. In about a half hour the lady called me back and gave me the UPS tracking number. I don't know why they still have not sent me a email that it's been sent out.

-Raymond Day

09-06-2002 03:44:02

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) keith721
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TigerDirect has two AMD processors available:

$35.00 USD
AMD K6-2 Plus 450Mhz/L2 - 128K Cache / Processor
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=CP2-K62-450P%20C

$40.00 USD
AMD K6-2 500Mhz / PC 100 BUS/ Processor
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=CP2-K62-500C%20DT

09-06-2002 08:53:33

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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I ordered mine on Tuesday, September 3rd. I received a UPS shipping notification email on Wed., but it has not actually shipped yet. According to UPS, they have the billing info but have not picked up the package. My original scheduled delivery was 9/10, but I am sure that will be pushed out several days. Oh well, I am not worried since others have received their units but I am a bit disappointed..

Chris

09-06-2002 10:04:34

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) liunam
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There are several references here about another thread on this BBS regarding the SG10. However, I did a search on SG10 and Magnia and came up empty. Would somebody direct me to the thread please? Thanks. BTW, I just joined this BBS after I order my unit.
09-06-2002 10:23:58

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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heh all I had to do was call them up to get my tracking number. Cant wait to rip this thing open. I'll definitely pop in at least another 128mb stick.
09-06-2002 12:00:58

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Raymond said:

>I don't know why they still have not sent me a email that it's been sent out.

I got an email notice, but it was not from notebooktrade, it was from UPS, i.e. "your vendor has requested that we advise you of this shipment". I think this is an option for UPS service that a vendor can select when they ship an item via UPS. So either notebooktrade forgot to check the box or to input your email address, or perhaps it was UPS that screwed-up somehow.

09-06-2002 12:15:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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Notes about faster CPU's.. Keep in mind that the inside of the SG10 is really tight. Faster CPU's will most likely require more cooling. There may not be room for a larger heatsink or fan. If you do try updating the CPU, be sure to check Pricewatch.com I found K6/2 500 CPU's in stock for $19 ($23 shipped).

(I am not promoting this site, just an example)

Example: http://www.econopc.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?sku=AMDK2500KO&sc=pr

Chris

09-06-2002 12:31:58

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) preacher
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Just ordered. Gary is a very helpful guy.

I haven't been this excited about a "hackable" since the original IO. (Still and have and use it everyday. Not a bad investment for $29, hd, and cable!)

Does anyone know what kind of digital video this unit will record/play back? I'm thinking DVR as well as other uses for it.

--preacher

09-06-2002 13:56:08

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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I dont think the SG10 would be good as a pvr, it has no built in VIVO and the CPU/RAM are too low. It's possible but it'll take some heavy modding.
09-06-2002 14:07:10

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Well, it streams "training videos" but I assume these are relatively low res and bitrate, and of course are "captured" or created externally. Methinks one would do much better to look elsewhere for a DVR/PVR--and in fact the Tivo is still at the top-of-the-heap especially if you can find an original Series 1 (hackable).

Even the geeks at screensavers have said that the various video tuner cards aren't yet up to Tivo stds.

09-06-2002 16:26:06

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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In response to celledge Qs on the config files:
telnet to box, user telnetuser, password toshiba worked for me.

eth0 is the internal adapter (192.168.1.1 etc.) and eth1 is the wan adapter

chkconfig appears to be loaded as I can run the command as you listed but it says dhcpd 0-6 are off with a chkconfig --list dhcpd command...doesnt list any dhcpd as on but the dhcp server is currently running as my client got an IP.

In /etc i see the smb.conf file with the changes Ive made and an smb.conf0 which appears o have the defaults.

For celledge and knite_owl who seem to be the experts. I would like to be able to have samba users AND groups and assign permissions to samba shares based on them. Id imagine this is a possible hack and would be grateful for some help in doing this either by installing SWAT I think or manually editing config files.

Along those lines, cant we telnet to the box and have it do an upgrade to RH 7.3 via the internet? Not sure what would break in the process but Im wondering if its possible.

If not with full telnet access Id imagine we can ftp packages to the device then telnet in and install what we need no?

Im by no means a linux guru but what little exposure Ive had leads me to believe these things can be done. If Im off topic please guys email me the answers so as not to clog the thread here.

As always, good stuff on this BBS!!!

James Douglas
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Shift 2 Solutions
jdouglas@shift2.net
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09-07-2002 07:11:07

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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>If Im off topic please guys email me the answers so as not to clog the thread here.

You're not off-topic--discussion here please!!!

09-07-2002 07:31:29

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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maybe a nice upgrade for the unit ????

HERE

09-07-2002 09:01:34

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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DHCP not a problem

Just wanted to let some of ya know that I was able to install the SG10 on my existing network no problem.
The problem was that some of us have networks in place that already have a Router in place that is a DHCP server, and all other computers or ethernet devices are DHCP clients.
Some said this would be a problem because out of the box the Toshiba SG10 does not have provisions for setting it up with a static IP address, and it insists on being the DHCP server on the network.
Also if you use the client software that comes with the SG10 (I suggest you don't) it automatically reconfigures your whole network and does not give any provisions to do it differently. This may be good for first time users with none complicated networks, but some of us (Like myself) have many different devices and computers on an existing network, and for myself it was not an option to let the SG10 change everything. It would have taken me many hours maybe days of labor to change my whole house configuration and install the CD software on every computer (No Way !!).

Anyway the short of it is that the SG10 can be adapted to your existing network by simply using it's built in router (WAN Port) to connect to your existing home networks HUB and use your existing DHCP host. It needs a couple of changes on the LAN Administration page to redirect and bridge the different IP addresses, but end result it works.

I can now access this unit from my existing network from any ethernet device or computer on my home network.
Every function works perfectly and I did not have to install not one copy of the software on any computer or device in my entire house.

I have uploaded all my MP3 files to the unit and it is serving all my MP3 players in my home, in fact it seems faster than my Big Windows 2000 server with a processor 3 times faster (Figure that)

I was testing and playing MP3 files from it on 4 different computers at one time (Thats alot of network traffic) and not a pause or stutter from it... Very nice performance from such a Cool tiny little box ...
DO I SOUND HAPPY (BIG FAT GRIN on my Face) !!!
-Musicman

09-07-2002 13:22:18

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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congrats musicman, any details to go along with this??
09-07-2002 14:43:00

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Glad musicman that you have got it working to your satisfaction so quickly!

I would want initially at least to assign the SG10 a fixed IP address--I am not using DHCP at all. Did you trip across a way to do this?

09-07-2002 15:34:43

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Laserfan,
I know someone will come up with a better way to do this.
But the SG10 (Out of the box) wants to be IP address 192.168.1.1
My home network is on the standard 192.168.0.XXX, with a D-Link Router as a DHCP host at 192.168.0.1

I only have two choices here, redo my whole network to 191.168.1.XXX (No way) or keep it as-is at 192.168.0.XXX
(there is a 3rd choice, but I don't yet know how to change the SG10 to static IP), so I remembered it has a built router support.
So I plugged the SG10's WAN port in to my Network LAN HUB.
And the SG10's router simply allowed me to bridge it's internal IP 192.168.1.1 to an assigned IP of 192.168.0.24
Actually I did not assign it my DHCP D-Link Router did.

So the SG10 is still at IP 192.168.1.1, but the network see's it as 192.168.0.24...
Everything talks.

Now to answer Jamesdougles's question.

You must have a computer to connect to the SG10 with and pluged in to the network LAN port.
Make sure the SG10 is on and completly booted, now turn on your computer, it should boot up and be assigned an IP address.
I did this with a stand alone Laptop with a LAN card in it, directly connected to the SG10.
** Do not connect the SG10 to your existing LAN yet.

Now start your browser and goto the Servers Administrators setup page at http://192.168.1.1:8282
If you are not able to connect, you should run the command "winipcfg" and hit "release all" then "renew all" it should be assigned an IP address by the SG10 server. Like 192.168.1.2

If you are able to get the browser to see the SG10's webpages, Great!
Now connect a cable from the SG10's WAN port and plug it in to your existing LAN's HUB or switch.

now Login as "applianceadmin"
and password as "toshiba"


Now Go to the Network Tab: and Use these settings.

Internet Connection Configure

Connection Type: Corporate LAN
IP Address: DHCP
Computer Name: saF5DE
Domain Name: myserver.loc

Turn the Firewall OFF (Not needed)
Turn the Cashing OFF (To save drive space)

Goto the Local Network Tab and advanced settings,
now set the workgroup to "workgroup" (or whatever you use)

When you hit the apply button it will ask if you want to test the
setting to see if it works (Toshiba thought of everything).

It will now test the internet connection and LAN and automatically assign an IP address.

If it comes back and says OK? you will have been assigned a compatable IP address of 192.168.0.XXX from your existing router and you will be up and running.

Hope this helps, I could have missed something in the process, if so let me know if it does not work.

-Musicman

09-07-2002 19:08:10

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) tightwad
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The setup was very easy for the basic stuff, esp. because I used 198.162.1 as my network IP already. The menu let me change the workgroup to match my system, instead of having to conform to the SAWORKGROUP, as the standard install would do.

I also got into telnet just fine, but don't know enough to do anything there.

I am perplexed by FTP. The network mirror drive "FTP" is accessible both under a logged in client, and via ftp (externally if allowed througth firewall). However, the joy ends there. I can't figure out how to get files into the ftp folders; when I try to write, a dialogue tells me no permission. All the folders are readable by ftp users; can't seem to hide them. Finally, the only way for ftp use is with anonymous login. Is there an easy way to set up, or transfer, users accounts to public ftp to control access? The same limit might be nice for http public server.

Any help will be appreciated.

09-07-2002 20:21:55

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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tightwad, I noticed thre same things in playing around with the security as well. It seemed also that when i created a user (with advanced security enabled) with access level 1 (lowest) that user could still access folders in the intranet share that I wouldnt think a regular user should be able to access.

I think once the gurus get their hands on the unit we'll be able to modify the user and group security (fingers crossed) to allow for more options and the ability to create our own smb shares and apply security to them. NT domain controller emulation with logon scripting would also be nice so I can shut down one of my win2k servers altogether.

Muicman, sounds like you got what you need but I misunderstood you and thought you had modded the conf files via telnet to do what you needed. In your case, I guess disabling the firewall and opening the box wide sufficed. In some of our cases I think we'd like to use the unit more for what it was fully intended to be, a full blown server with firewall etc for our home networks. Glad to hear you got yours up and running though!

09-07-2002 21:14:11

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Jamesdouglas,
Routing the IP to my home network is just a patch for my own imediate needs.
The fix will be getting in to the Configuration files through telnet and making a few minor changes there.
I don't have any experiance in Linux, so I will have to wait on someone else to help me with that.

It is an impressive little box isn't it ?
I think Toshiba did a great job in its design.
I'm really quite impressed at how easy it was to setup.

My other interest would be to dangle a USB cable from the mainboard out the back of the case and plug a USB Hard Drive in to it.
I wonder if the existing version of Redhat 6.1 will address USB ok..?
I could get a large 120 Gig External Drive at a much better price than trying to add a small capacity 2.5inch drive to the unit.

09-07-2002 23:31:08

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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for the record, i had an extra 5gb laptop drive, jumpered it slave and threw it in the unit and configured it as a second drive via the web interface, no prblems at all!
09-08-2002 19:23:08

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Jamesdouglas,
Thats good news, I was under the impression that there was some special format on the drive, as indicated by a previous post by Grouch.

Did you install the drive unformatted ?
Does the SG10 format it ?

Also does anyone know of a good way to get a virgin image of the units hard drive .
I have a second unit arriving Wednesday, and I would like to save that image on disk just for backup.

-Musicman

09-08-2002 22:14:13

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Musicman38

If you want to do a raw image, then here are a couple of ways.

First way, and probably most common way. Get a 2.5hd to 3.5hd adaptor and attach the drive from the SG10 to another computer. Use Ghost, Drive Image, or Dolly to image the drive to a file. My preference would be in this order. Dolly, Ghost, then Drive Image.

Second way, and the way I would do it. Attach the drive from the New SG10 to the Old SG10, or another computer with Linux. Run the command "dd if=/dev/hdb | bzip2 > sg10-bak.bz2" remove the quotes of course and substitute the /dev/hdb with the correct one for your drive. You will need to make sure that dd and bzip2 are available on the system. If not, you can download them from RedHad.


kNiTe-oWl
09-08-2002 23:07:45

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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I can't see why the system would use a special format for the drive. Unless you consider the Linux format a special format. I would assume that the system would use only the file systems that are supported by Linux.
kNiTe-oWl
09-08-2002 23:12:12

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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3rd lazy mans way to make a backup. Add the second drive and configure it as a mirror drive. system tells you it will take 45 minutes to establish. then you should have a working copy of a virgin unit to restore from when you blow it up.

anyone mess with conf files yet? I tried to change the dhcp scope but when i rebooted the box seemed that the files were restored to original form. I used vi and did :wq! to be sure the chanes were saved. I think the unit must run a script to restore conf files from originals maybe .conf0 files like the one i noticed for samba??

Need guru assistance at this point...I hope you guys get your units soon!

09-09-2002 07:36:46

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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hmm not so good news, the sound card headers seem to be out of stock.
09-09-2002 10:22:48

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 1 times) laserfan
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kNiTe-oWl said:
...the way I would do it. Attach the drive from the New SG10 to the Old SG10, or another computer with Linux. Run the command "dd if=/dev/hdb | bzip2 > sg10-bak.bz2" remove the quotes of course and substitute the /dev/hdb with the correct one for your drive. You will need to make sure that dd and bzip2 are available on the system. If not, you can download them from RedHad.

I have a couple of Linux boot disks that were made for my Tivo drives that should work for this, except I'm not sure of the bzip2 command. Anyway if anyone else is curious the floppy version is called "Dylan's Boot Disk" and is probably just a google away. Very handy sometimes to have Linux for your PC just a floppy boot away!

My SG10 is supposed to arrive tomorrow but I don't know how quickly I'll be able to get after it this week.

09-09-2002 11:19:29

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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laserfan, i NEED your guruness...

just crack the damned thing open!

09-09-2002 16:56:19

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Raymond_Day
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I got my Toshiba magnia GS10 today 9/9/2002. It does work very good. I even put my Web page on it with a lot of photos in it's photo folder linked in my web page. It works very good. My web page is just a copy form here: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/raymondday/ I copyed it in the web page of my GS10 I just put all the photos in the photo page linked at \MYSERVER\multimedia\photos I did copy the HTML code and put it in the text part of the GS10. Did some one say you can't do a lot with it's web? Looks like you can put any HTML code in it and link it to photos. I have jpg photos.

-Raymond Day

09-09-2002 17:02:44

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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It would be nice if someone actually made an image of the Hard Drive.
I get my second unit tomorrow and plan to do some playing around with it, before I do I would like to backup the virgin drive somehow.

Jamesdpouglas said he was able to install a second hard drive, but did not say how he did that.
like did you have to format the drive first ?
Or did the installation manager do that for you ?

Would you be able to make an image of the primary master drive on a smaller slave drive installed in the Sg10 ?

09-09-2002 19:05:26

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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musicman, dont think u can make the image onto a smaller drive but i can give it a shot tomorrow and see what happens.

as fr the drive ,i actually had redhat installed on it already for use as a swapout drive for my laptop so it hard to say. I think it does need to be formatted for linux in any partitioning scheme before installing it. I dont think an unformatted drive will be recognized when its installed but Im not positive. Mine was already linux partitioned and it warned me that the drive would be wiped out so I clicked ok and that was that.

09-09-2002 19:44:20

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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The original Toshiba software will not format a hard disk. As I did not have a linux boot disk, I made a ghost image of the original drive and formated my 2nd 20 gig drive that way. Nice to know any linux formated disk will work.

I do have an original as new image, and if anyone gets into a real bind I can arrange to send it out on a DVD on an individual basis, but its 2 gig in size, so downloading is not and option.

09-09-2002 20:17:57

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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Just browsed this thread for the first time out of curiosity, and the unit looks cool. I don't have one (yet).

Questions (sorry, I haven't researched it yet):

1) Has anybody got root access to it yet? Can you su without a password? If not, I believe we can still get to it by running crack on /etc/passwd. However, if shadow passwords are enabled, this might be out of reach.

Having root access throws the doors open to install RPMs, and more generally add/remove/change any file on the system.

2) Is the slot into which the built-in ethernet card/hub fits a standard PCI slot? Is it possible to replace that with a standard PCI ethernet card?

If this is possible, then a 4-port 10/100 card like the Phobos Tulip-based card can be used to replace the built-in card. This would enable the installation of an LRP-based distribution with FreeSwan, and you can build a VPN/router/firewall combo for a fraction of the cost of an equivalent Cisco or Netscreen solution. Like $300 vs. $50k.

09-10-2002 00:13:32

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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Question2)
The switch/network card seems to plug into the motherboard's onboard NIC header and the bottom PCI slot. Since the laptop hard drives are on the same card as the switch/network card we'd either have to figure out how to maintain useability of that part of the card or use an external powersupply and standard hard drives. It has the IDE cable as well as 2 more ribbon cables and 2 two wires cables ( hard drive lights? ). I have no experience with vpn software/hardware so I have no idea what you're talking about there. Even a two port 10/100 NIC goes for quite a bit though. You'd need it to be pretty low profile if you dont want to hack the case.
09-10-2002 01:13:56

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Raymond_Day
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Hi I posted how I got a web page on the SG10 with jpg photos. Last night I turned it off because it's about 10 feet from my bed and it is a little loud. I could even truned the volume down a little on my TV by my bed when I turn the SG10 off.

Any way I checked out my web page it did not have the photos just the box's. So I went to \MYSERVER\multimedia\photos were my photos are. But to get there I had to type in my name and password. Then the web page on the SG10 would show the photos.

I don't want to do a name and password all the time. I did set up and name and password in the SG10. I deleted my password but it don't let you. I deleted my name and password it still don't let you. Do I need to have a password? Is there a way to just set it up so you don't need to type in a name and password?


Raymond J Day
09-10-2002 04:19:48

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Linuxguru, Plunk down your money and pick up one of these fast, we could use someone with a nickname like yours on board. Like robby, I do not understand your last sentence, please explain, if it will make us $50,000 I am all for it ;)

I do not fully understand some of the hardware substitution ideas that have been put forward so far. The SG10 has a 7 port hub built into it already, which obviously works in Linux, as the toshiba software is based on Redhat 6.2. Why substitute if we do not have to?

In order to use a normal PCI cards in this thing you would have to leave the top of the case off, which defeats the compact size/coolness factor that really distinguishes the thing. (sorry, I'm kinda shallow and looks matter).

Has anyone plugged a keyboard and monitor into this thing and looked at the bios yet?

09-10-2002 06:28:22

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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>Linuxguru, Plunk down your money and pick up one of these fast, we could use someone with a
>nickname like yours on board.

I'm tempted, but at the moment my hands are a little full. Too little time

>Like robby, I do not understand your last sentence, please explain, if it will make us $50,000 I
>am all for it ;)

Netscreen, Cisco and various other vendors make multifunction VPN boxes. Typically, these have multiple ethernet interfaces like eth0, eth1,...(not just multiple ports on a hub). One of these is connected to the outside (untrusted) world, another to the DMZ (a buffer zone where things like webservers, routers, NIS servers etc. reside), yet another to a trusted internal network, etc.

Linux has progressively got support for most of these features. The Linux Router Project (LRP) aims to use a Linux kernel, configured for routing and with minimal other services, on a standard obsolete 386/486 box with NICs as a router. It works well enough to obliterate Cisco et al at the low end. But there's nothing preventing the use of LRP on a dual 2.2 GHz Athlon with a dozen gigabit NICs to compete with Cisco at the high end, and indeed, there are a number of companies that are taking this route.

Linux also has built-in support for firewalls (this is actually not a kernel functionality, but mostly a userland function). There are distributions like Smoothwall Linux or Bastille Linux that are optimized for use as firewalls, but it is possible to configure any generic linux distribution to get similar functionality.

Finally, for VPNs, Linux has support in the 2.4.x kernels for a module called FreeS/Wan, which stands for Free Secure WAN. This allows the use of encrypted IP tunneling to set up secure VPN connections between two similar units, or between a FreeS/Wan unit and a router running commercial S/Wan.

With Linux, it is possible (although it involves a lot of work) to combine all three features in one box, thus making a single combo box that does firewalling/VPN/routing. In fact, it is possible to use the same box as a webserver/popserver/ftp-server also.

Netscreen's high-end boxes cost 50k and up, but what is likely to happen as Linux LRP boxes threaten that space is that prices will drop to a few thousand bucks. We probably won't make 50k by taking a Magnia and hacking it .

>I do not fully understand some of the hardware substitution ideas that have been put forward so
>far. The SG10 has a 7 port hub built into it already, which obviously works in Linux, as the
>toshiba software is based on Redhat 6.2. Why substitute if we do not have to?

It's only a hub/switch, not a multiple-interface Ethernet card, which is required for router/firewall/load balancer configurations. Of course, for use as a plain server, a single interface is sufficient.

>In order to use a normal PCI cards in this thing you would have to leave the top of the case
>off.

OK, so it looks like the way to go is to leave the hardware unmodified, except maybe CPU, memory and hard disk; and skip the LRP/FreeSwan ideas. Restrict the project to hacking the distribution. First step is to get root access. This should not be difficult - just get the drive off, connect it in another Linux box, mount the root filesystem, and substitute the /etc/passwd file with one without any passwords set.

If you're able to successfully boot with that drive and get root access on the Magnia, you can install any generic i386 RPM and customize it your heart's content.

09-10-2002 11:51:04

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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One more question: Is there a free PCI slot into which a low-profile 1.75" (including the edge connector) PCI card will fit with the bracket removed and the case closed? The other existing hardware should remain unchanged.
09-10-2002 12:03:07

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Regarding root access, Musicman said:
>celledge,
>Thank you for the telnet login:
>
>Login is "telnetuser"
>password is "admin"
>
>This this gets me the [telnetuser@myserver telnetuser] $

Is this $ not 'root access' linuxguru? I'm getting my SG10 today but it will be a day or three before I will get to play with it.

09-10-2002 12:17:01

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) hod1
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>Is this $ not 'root access' linuxguru? I'm getting my SG10 today but it will be a day or three >before I will get to play with it.

You should be able to type "su -" at the $ prompt and gain root access. After you have root access you can add as many users as you want into /etc/passwd.

09-10-2002 13:34:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Linuxguru,

Keep it in mind that I don't have one of these, so everything that follows is from what is gathered from here as well as from the Docs, and the message board on Toshiba's site.

Yes, you can gain root access with su. This is documented on Toshiba's site.

The SG10 runs on RedHat 6.1 and from the size that Groch quoted of 2 Gig, it seems likely that Toshiba just did the standard install and then edited the configs and added their own stuff on top of it.

As it pertains to the VPN/Router/Firewall combo box. This can be done with the box as is, with no modifications at all. Check the NetMax version of the SG10, they sell this with all those installed. In addition to those options, they also include FTP/WWW/more servers...

As you can see, this box is limited to the amount of time you want to put into it only, and what you want to do with it. LRP would be a very easy swap for the SG10.


kNiTe-oWl
09-10-2002 14:01:29

New MessageNo password protection in Admin pages. (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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I put my unit on-line for public access today just to play with it remotly, worked great !
But then I type my IP address plus the port number 8282 "XX.XX.XXX.XXX:8282" which give me admin access, and to my surprise I had access to it's administrative page no password needed.
It did have password protection on some parts, but I was able to change LAN access, and change the firewall access with no password. I pulled it off line after I discovered this.

I see no way totally password protect the Admin pages, has anyone else experianced this yet ?

-Musicman

09-10-2002 16:42:51

New MessageRoot access (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I found this in a Tech Bulletin:

From a client machine connected to the SG10, Click Start/Run... and type "telnet 192.168.1.1" and click OK.
A Telnet window should launch and display this prompt:
Red Hat Linux release 6.1 (Cartman)
Kernel 2.2.12-20 on an i686
login:
Type "telnetuser" and press Enter.
Type the password used for the first configured user account. If no user account were created yet, type "toshiba". Press Enter.
NOTE: While typing the above username or password, if the user types a mistake, the Backspace key will not function as backspace; the Delete key acts as a backspace.

NOTE: The above password is the same password as the applianceadmin account. Reset that password using any Level 3 account if this password is not known. (applianceadmin, telnetuser, and root account passwords are always kept in sync.)

A successful login will display a command line prompt like this:
[telnetuser@myserver.loc telnetuser]$
Type "su -" and press Enter.
At the "Password:" prompt enter the same password as used above.
You now have root access and a prompt like this:
[root@myserver.loc /root]#
.
.
.

Cool.

09-10-2002 18:20:10

New MessageOnline manual is OLD!!! (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I got mine today and was anxious to learn about the software included, so I looked at the CD and all that's in there are the client software, Acrobat, RealPlayer, and the User Guide. Nothing that I can find about the software in the box (though the License Info sheet states clearly "uses Red Hat 6.1" and says to go to ftp://ftp.redhat.com for copies of binary or source. Also sez "os is...made of 100s of individual sw components" implying it may be difficult to discern exactly what is inside w/o doing a lot of hunting around).

But I did notice the manual on the CD is a year newer than the online version I posted a link to earlier. Glad I found this as I was gonna try to print out the online version at work tomorrow! It's 18Mb and references the Digital Center but not the Home Automation software so I think that's NOT inside.

Anyway any of you who has one, don't use anything but the CD manual.

09-10-2002 19:19:02

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Laserfan,
Good tip thanks !! It's does give root access.

Does anyone know if there is a way to backup the entire Linux installation, say over the ethernet connection to another computer ?

-Musicman

09-10-2002 19:30:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) SiteExpert
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I am just starting to play with my unit. Anyone find the Digital Photo application that is mentioned on the spec sheet?
09-10-2002 19:34:42

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) jamesdouglas
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anyone install an rpm yet? was thinking of attemtpting IMP for webmail but I think it will break the customized email options in the server. I tend to agre with the others to make the existing hardware do what we want as opposed to physical mods. Its really a nice package and pretty standard stuff, especially if RH 6.1 can use it (Rh autodetection has come a long way since then).

What are the feelings on an update via ftp from RH web site? can we do that through a telnet session (thought it was possible). The e-smith server software I mentioned has customized rpms for free swan, firewall, webmail etc based on the RH 7 distribution (maybe its 7.2).

Id really like to work with someone on the mods for this thing as IM ready to roll one out to a client but want to mod it first. If anyone is interested in walking me through some stuff via email or IM please feel free to contact me anytime.


James Douglas
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09-10-2002 19:42:04

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) SiteExpert
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Has anyone been able to establish a pptp connection to a corporate server through the firewall? I assume there is a custom firewall rule we need to add to open the port? (I am unable to connect to the destination)

Thanks

09-10-2002 20:18:07

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Jamesdouglas,
My feelings are the same, this unit with a few tweaks will work perfectly for my needs.
My knowledge is in Windows based Network Administration, but I look forward to learning all
I can about Linux. The existing RedHat OS looks easy enough to navigate around in.
I have a couple of Books on Linux I picked up, and spent some time poking around in Telnet today.
My Second unit arrived today, and I will use it to test the upgrades in..
So count me in, I'll do what I can to help..
-Musicman
09-10-2002 21:40:24

New MessageBacking-up the drive (modified 0 times) laserfan
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kNiTe-oWl you said re: backing up the drive:

the way I would do it. Attach the drive from the New SG10 to the Old SG10, or another computer with Linux. Run the command "dd if=/dev/hdb | bzip2 > sg10-bak.bz2"...

It's late and I'm not understanding where the Output File (bz2) is going in this command. I want to just take the SG10's drive and back it up to another drive in my computer (which I will boot w/Linux). I have the 2.5" to IDE adapter. If my 80gig drive is hdc, and the SG10's is hdd, is the command:

dd if=/dev/hdd | bzip2 > of=/dev/hdc/sg10-bak.bz2

I'm exposing my naivete in re: Linux but really would prefer not to screw this up!!! TIA and good night.

09-10-2002 22:39:11

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Laserfan/Knite-owl, Re backing up the SG10 image.

Using the above linux command, Would the 80 gig drive also have to be formatted for linux? Or, could you boot using a linux boot floppy and run the command to back up the sg10 on your Windows drive?

09-11-2002 01:44:13

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) liunam
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My order arrived last night. I wa so excited that I thought I would have to spend an all-nighter playing with it. Unfortunately, the thing would not boot. I could not get past the "Warming up" stage. I tried resetting the unit a well as re-seat the hard drive. This morning, it was still "warming up" after leaving it plugged overnight. I'll call Tech Support as soon as they open.
09-11-2002 05:12:43

New MessageDrive backup (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Groch said:

Using the above linux command, Would the 80 gig drive also have to be formatted for linux? Or, could you boot using a linux boot floppy and run the command to back up the sg10 on your Windows drive?

I'm glad you brought this up Groch! I think my idea to back-up a zipped file of the original SG10 drive to my 80Gig drive might not work, because it is an NTFS drive for Windows 2000. I have very little experience w/Linux but I think it will talk to a FAT drive but maybe not NTFS.

My idea was to zip-up the SG10 package to my monstro HD and burn it to DVD or CD for safekeeping. I suppose I ought to break down and upgrade my Drive Image app to 2002, where as best as I can tell it will image Linux drives just fine...

09-11-2002 07:13:06

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Groch/laserfan

Example system:
Win Drive: /dev/hda
CD-Rom drive: /dev/hdb
SG10 Drive: /dev/hdc
Spare Drive: /dev/hdd

using the command "dd if=/dev/hdc | bzip2 > sg10-bak.bz2" {note, no "of" in the command} the output goes to a file in the directory that you ran the command. This will be a bzip2 compressed file that you can save for restore later.

If you wanted to make a duplicate of the SG10 drive on the Spare Drive, (forgot if the drives have to be the same size or not, I am thinking not, but haven't done this in a while) then the command would be "dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdd"

If your intent is to backup the drive to a file for future restore, you can use the first command, this can be done with a linux boot disk on a windows machine. The format of the spare drive does not need to be linux, just a format that the linux boot disk can read/write to. As long as the linux kernel on the boot disk supports the format of the drive than it can be done just fine.

Example: Spare drive is formated with MS-DOS.

1. Boot the computer up with your linux boot disk.
2. login with root access
3. mount the spare drive "mount -t msdos /dev/hdd1 /mnt"
4. change to the spare drive "cd /mnt"
5. image the SG10 drive to a file in /mnt which is the spare drive "dd if=/dev/hdc | bzip2 > sg10-bak.bz2"
6. change back to the root directory "cd /"
7. sync the drives "sync"
8. remove the linux boot disk and reboot "reboot"

everything in quotes are what you type. I know this is a little more than what is really needed, but the extra commands are for safty ;) Once you are back in Windows, you can backup the file that is stored on the spare drive to CD or whatever you want.

One more thing, forgot to list, but read up on the bzip2 command, there is a test flag that you can use to test the file before you actually reboot the machine.


kNiTe-oWl
09-11-2002 09:55:46

New MessageBacking up the drive (modified 0 times) laserfan
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Thanks kNiTe-oWl, I think I can handle this. I have a spare FAT drive to try and hopefully will be able to report back tomorrow yea-or-nay.

Last night would have been a definite "nay" as the PC I was using has only NTFS drives built-in, and not understanding the execution of the command I would have been trying to save my SG10's 20G drive to a floppy diskette! Thanks again...

09-11-2002 11:22:06

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) nazareth
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I don't have mine yet, but I imagine that we should be able to mount using SMB
an external Windows Share. If this is possible, then it should be possible
to make this backup without having to "crack" the case from the telnet shell.

Sean

09-11-2002 11:25:18

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) kNiTe_oWl
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Yes, you can telnet in and mount a SMB or NFS share and do the backup without cracking open the case.
kNiTe-oWl
09-11-2002 13:23:47

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Toshiba SG10's are now all gone, Sold Out..!!

I got an email from Gary at Notebooktrade Thanking me for all the units I helped them sell from my original post on this BBS and another usergroup. Seems they sold 600 units in less than 2 weeks..
So I hope some of you guys here got one or two units.

Looking forward to seeing what we can learn about this very cool computer.


-Musicman
09-11-2002 14:25:45

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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Wow! we have a LOT of lurkers here. Good to see we have a nice base of people who can work on this though. I just hope my SG10 isnt defective, so I dont need an exchange.
09-11-2002 14:47:53

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Well musicman, I hope he gave you a some kind of commission, thats quite some salesmanship ;)

Do you have any idea where the other user group is, perhaps we could share ideas.

09-11-2002 19:11:32

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) tightwad
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Some concerns about the software, security, and wondering if anyone has tried a vga header/usb keyboard to access this unit?

I was very interested in the ftp server, but have come to learn that it is wu-ftp2.6.0. A friend going through this with me opened it to the web, with anonymous access, and was seriously hacked-into within a day due to what I now know to be -- well known and serious holes -- in that version of ftp server. Tried to upgrade with a higer version, using RPM and telnet, but without success. Tried to change settings to only allow real and group users, and eliminate anonymous ftp, but can't get the ftp to accept the right passwords. Is there a toshiba spin on the passwords?

There must be enough of us now to press toshiba to make an "upgrade" package to work through the admin interface to fix this. It is unconsciounable to sell a unit as a public server with such a well known security hole. I also have seen indications that RH 6.1 is itself suspect; anyone know anything about this?

Otherwise, I may try the route of installing another OS to the system. Just for kicks, I might try WINXP to see if it will p&p recognize at least the router/switch on its own. Might give information about the model to start seeking other drivers. Someone more sophistocated than me might be able to discern enough looking at the hardware inside (I have not cracked the box -- waiting for my vga header), or by studying the setup files on the installed package. Thanks if you can give some insight on the router, and especially for the lcd!

Cheers.

09-11-2002 19:19:08

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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My Original post was on the Turtle Beach Audiotron User group.
http://maillist.voyetra.com/audiotron.html
For those that don't know what an Audiotron is, It's an MP3 / Internet Radio Appliance.
It has built in Web Based setup and can be controlled from any browser on your network, and it gets it's
MP3 files from an any server on your network.
http://www.audiotron.net/audiotron/producthome.asp
The fact the Toshiba SG10 does this right out of the box was a perfect match for the Audiotron. I would suspect a 100 or more users purchased the SG10 for this use alone.
I did leave a post inviting the users to this BBS, as most of the posts there are for the Audiotron, so I am sure we will have more visitors. Maybe some more ideas.

Oh I have my Sg10 back on line again (Public access), it actually is very secure, I just did not have some of the passwords in place.
Now what I would like to do is completely remove the built in Web Pages and setup my own.
Should be pretty easy task, just need some time to play this weekend with it.
My MP3's are working great from it, however I find myself just about of drive space, and will have to find an enexpensive 2nd Hard Drive.
Lots of things to do, and so little time (Grin..)

-Musicman

09-11-2002 19:58:55

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) celledge
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I finally received my SG10 and have been playing around a little. Thanks again Musicman for letting us know about the deal! It is a very impressive box.

If any of you want to write messages to the LCD, it can be done. This may be handy for future apps or scripts. Here is what I found: (this assumes you have telneted in and became root by using su -)

There is a config file (/sa/conf/lcdkbd.cfg) that is created by a Perl script at every boot. In order to write to the display, you must first define a "name". This name is a variable used to display the data. To have your own "name" included at boot, you can create a new file in the /sa/conf/lcdkbd/ directory. The easy way is to copy an existing file such as tst.lcd. Here is a sample that I created and named /sa/conf/lcdkbd/chris.lcd

#
# chris.lcd
#
# rev 09/11/2001 gls
#
chris:1:0::Chris Test::

# Note: You can include multiple names in one file
#
# <name>:<enabled>:<readonly>:<cmd>:<desc>:<params>:
#
# Where:
# <name> - name tag of the message
# <enabled> - determines if enabled to display
# <readonly> - flag to indicated non-editable
# <cmd> - command to issue if <enabled> is changed
# <desc> - user friendly description
# <params> - application defined params
#

After creating one of these files and rebooting the server, you can issue the following command (using your name) to write to the LCD:

/sa/bin/setlcdq -name chris -ontop -center Hello -center World

This example writes "Hello World" with Hello on the top line and World on the bottom and sets your message to the current message. There are several other options for the setlcdq and setlcd commands. I am sure that someone will come up with a use for this.....

As far as the static IP address, I have tried to set the IP address to something different than 192.168.1.1, but it gets reset at every boot. I have to do some more looking to find that...

Chris

09-11-2002 22:30:24

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Celledge,
Thank You !!!
This Display routine is a great discovery by you. I forsee all sorts of uses for this little display.
Perhaps a scrolling display, showing Temp, Fan Speed, Time , Date, Current MP3 file playing..
Very Cool discovery...

BTW: It was my pleasure to have introduced everyone to the SG10, But actually more for selfish reasons, because I knew the more users like yourself contributing their knowledge the more I would realize it's full potential.
-Musicman

09-12-2002 11:24:57

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) AudreyMI
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Hi Musicman et al,

Just a quick note to say I've bought one of the last SG10's from notebooktrade - still hasn't turned up

Hopefully I'll get it working with my 6 (I think) Audrey units and CDJ. I hope to get an Audiotron in the near future.

I was wondering if it was worth setting up a egroup for this discussion (unless the I-Appliance BBS can handle it), as this thread is getting very long and slow, even on my cable link. This would allow the information to be stored in a more logical way, and also allow the sharing of files.

Regards,

PJE

09-13-2002 08:36:34

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) AudreyMI
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Hi again!

Well I just went and did it... Check out:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg10/

Hopefully we can get a community goint on this device, or at least have a central place we can deposit any information that we may discover.

Regards,

PJE

09-13-2002 08:49:29

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Groch
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Moving this discussion to the Yahoo Group has my vote. Great Idea.

If this Linux/hacker board is willing to give us our own section, that would have some advantages (multithreaded messages, and no adds). On the other hand Yahoo has some files storage, and it is getting old scrolling through all of these messages.

We should get a concensus now. Everyone gets 1 vote and musicman gets 10 votes for starting the thread.

On another Note:
Dell Home has a 40 gig IBM 2.5" drive for $108 shipped as described here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1023&message=3375300

Careful, I do not know of anyone trying drive larger than 20 gig, but if it works, and I imagine it would, this would be a tremendous second drive at a great price.

So what do you say, should we move?? Let the voting begin.

09-13-2002 17:49:13

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) keith721
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It's a good thing that I get home before the spousal unit does.

Last night, I brought the package in from the front steps, sliced and diced the boxes, and the darned thing is so small, and so quiet, it hides behind my scanner on a table top!!

Thanks, musicman, groch, and gary at notebooktrade for the great lead on this sweet appliance/server !!

keith721

09-14-2002 06:54:41

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) Musicman38
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Thank You Groch for rating my opinion at 10 votes, I am "Truly Humbled and Honored" And if elected to office, I pledge all user's of this thread "Free Toshiba SG10's for a lifetime" (Ha Ha ..) ..

It's a tough call, but considering the present state of the I-Applicnace BBS being so slow, and I am growing weary waiting for almost 200 messages to load on my computer everytime I post or view something on this BBS. Even on my Broadband connection running 1.5MBPS its slow.

I do have other interests here like the "3Com Audrey", and "MSN Companion" that will still keep me a regular as usual, and of course my most favorite place to visit is the "Breaking News" Forum. I have found some great deals here from the many posts. So I will continue to post on the I-Appliance.

However for this project the Yahoo groups is fast, and sends email so I know what is going on immediately, And I like that.. If it does not work out or we can always come back and start a new thread here.

So my 10 honorary votes go in favor of using the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg10/ for the development (Hacking) and support (Tinkering) of the Toshiba SG10.

-Musicman

09-14-2002 08:20:04

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) robby
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For those looking to turn this into a VPN box, I found a cheap source of Phobos P430TX QuadPort 10/100 PCI NICs. They have no faceplate but thats not really difficult to fab or to create a workaround for. Check this out:

http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=57909216&m=8690919235

I got one myself for my SG10, thinking of getting one or two more. You really cant beat getting a 500 dollar card for 50 bucks. I'll post this over at yahoo groups too so everyone knows. Let him know you came fromt he I-Appliance BBS. Now we can build that 50k VPN box LinuxGuru was talking about. I just started this to learn some simple linux/networking looks like I'll be having more fun than I expected though.

09-16-2002 09:54:10

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) drun
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I spoke to Gary at notebook trade today (check post date) and he told me that they have nine SG10s left and will still honor the $199 deal that Musicman scouted out. However, one of those in the nine count should be on its way to my home address cause I just bought one!!!!

See you guys at the Yahoo site very soon.

L8er,
-Drun

09-16-2002 16:43:14

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) h2oboxer85
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Just got an email from Tiger Direct. They have these for sale for $299.
09-29-2002 12:05:15

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) dozens
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Has anyone successfully configured the box to send mail ? I have installed the mailx rpm but I am not sure how to fiddle with sendmail.
12-05-2002 18:45:52

New MessageRE:Toshiba Magnia SG10 Internet Server Appliance Only $199.00 (modified 0 times) laserfan
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dozens, this thread was abandoned some time ago when the board slowed down to a crawl, and everyone from here, and many new SG10 owners, are now over at the magniasg10 group at Yahoo groups. Your best bet is to join there.
12-06-2002 15:03:54

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