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Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile There's a small thread about these things in the auction forum..but since there's only 1 day left on this auction I thought I'd post it here as well. The PC is a 233MMX PC, but it has an LCD monitor. These things look like they were custom built from OEM parts. I'm going to Mod one of these and istall in my Truck. The guy has 40 of these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2049150217 09-01-2002 12:28:49

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) robby Profile pretty nice, looks like one rugged case too. At that price it would be a nice source of an LCD touchscreen for another project. Looks like a standard VGA connector too. 09-01-2002 14:39:02

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Mick73 Profile I didn't see anywhere on that auction that says it's a touchscreen... if you're buying it for a touchscreen I'd verify this first.. but even at that... $100 for a LCD display 13" isn't bad anyways Mick 09-01-2002 14:59:40

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Starting price is high for item. Been able to purchase Biscuits (TSI) with LCDs for as little as $50 with P233's. I have one currently set up running an AMD 400Mhz (overclocked/mod'd for new Vcc). Very small footprint all metal case. Looks like the TSI's may have been used in a bank/investment/insurance co. Another mod done with help from one our peers was a touchscreen addition and custom video bios for new touchscreen...total invested ~120. (with 128 megs/5 gig 1.5 inch hd). Will find a link. 09-01-2002 15:32:36

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I don't think it's touchscreen. I emailed fusionmicro, but have not heard back. I doubt I'll hear back from him seeing that it's a Holiday and all. I still think it's a good deal. I put my bid in. Bolex 09-01-2002 21:33:18

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Curious Profile What is a Biscuit (TSI)? 09-02-2002 08:35:55

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) PeteC Profile Here is the link for a shell of a TSI. Looks like there are pieces available but nothing intact. http://www.technologyrenaissance.com/trcxs/MW061201/MW061201A4.JPG They do come up for auction on Ebay every once in a while. 09-02-2002 10:37:21

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) robby Profile whoops, no idea why i thought I saw touchscreen. 09-02-2002 16:30:30

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I got an email back from him today...The LCD would work on another computer...but the power connector is a regular molex connector....that almost sounds better than a regular plug in... 09-04-2002 14:50:18

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I'm sure this is the monitor: http://www.optoma.com/public/panoview_632a.asp The Manual and Serivce manual are there for download. He emailed me, and said he didn't think it was touchscreen. I guess We'll find out once it gets here. Mine should ship tomorrow. 09-04-2002 21:43:41

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile He tells me that the buttons on the front are not functional...hmmm.... 09-05-2002 14:49:03

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Hey bolex...have you got yours yet? How is the LCD for possible use somewhere else? Mine is suppost to be here tomarrow...I'm so impacient.... 09-10-2002 19:00:48

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile Mine came in today. The monitor is an LCD with a standard 15 pin connector. The connector just plugs into the VGA at a right angle. The LCD gets it's power from the +12 of the PC power supply. The monitor also has built in speakers. The LCD monitor is a CTX Panoview 600T3. The computer has a disconnected watch dog on the serial port. If it doesn't sense serial data every 5 minutes, it resets the PC. The power supply is a 250 watt power supply. Here are some pictures: http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdpc1.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdpc2.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdpc3.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdpc4.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdpc5.jpg The case is actually nice, and would be great for any project. Underneath the ugly plastic shell is an all metal enclosure. It would be very easy to mount in a car. The CPU fan had fallen off the CPU, so make sure you check that before you fire it up. Mine started right up, and booted windows ME. Bolex 09-11-2002 15:13:57

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Just curious... Is the display a DSTN or TFT? Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 09-11-2002 17:10:21

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I got mine today too. Is yours kinda blurry? Also I found some software that centers the video on the cd...I can find the link for you if you want it. Also if you take apart the LCD display you will find that there is a regular VGA connector on the display, so you can replace that crappy cable it comes with. There are also mic/line in connections, but I don't know if they work. Can you tell me more about that watch dog thing is? The LCD is TFT...also if you measure it you will find that it is actually 12.1", not 13! Damn.... 09-11-2002 19:04:28

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile zmoz: A watchdog is a device that checks to see if the system is responding and takes some action if it thinks the system is hung. In most cases it will reboot the machine. Some watchdogs look for certain interrupts, some look for a change in a memory location. Based on Bolex's description, the one that you have is looking for data on the serial port. There is likely a program that needs to be running on the Fusion to keep the card from constantly resetting the machine. It probably would be easy to disconnect the watchdog from the system (you will need to find the reset line). Better yet, find the program that sends the serial data to the watchdog and use it. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 09-11-2002 21:08:47

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I just went back and took a look at Bolex's photos. I want to change my statement about it probably will be easy to disconnect the watchdog. The reset connector is clearly labeled, so you can disregard the word "probably" . 09-11-2002 21:20:18

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Yes...it comes already disconnected...but it would be cool to use it... 09-11-2002 21:53:03

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email zmoz: is the screen display really very blurry? could it be the software you are running? the Ebay page showed only four bidders. i wonder if the seller has any left. now that you have had it a while, what do you think? was it worth $100? oldman oldman 09-28-2002 20:04:41

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Yes it is quite blurry. It gives me a headache if I look at it for too long. I took the thing apart and used the screen on another computer. When you take the screen out of its case it is less blurry, because the screen has a peice of clear plastic over it. It is better than the monitor that it replaced on my old computer, which was an old packard bell peice of crap with a .39 dot pitch... 09-28-2002 20:24:41

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) adam714 Profile i'd like to see a pic of the lcd out of the case 09-29-2002 10:18:56

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I plan on building a nice wood frame for it an using it as a digital picture frame. http://home.attbi.com/~zmoz/lcd_top.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~zmoz/lcd_back_closeup.JPG 09-29-2002 11:14:30

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Question for ZMOZ. You say you used the LCD to replace a CRT. Is there some sort of controller attached to the LCD or in the box that converts the LCD signal to XGA? My understanding is you have to have a device of that sort present to use an LCD to display a VGA signal. Thanks :) 10-01-2002 11:34:03

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile The LCD that comes with these things has a regular VGA input, just like a new LCD monitor you would buy somewhere. You just plug it into the video out on your computer. If you were to try and use an LCD from an old laptop or an iopener or something you would have to have a special (and expensive) controller. 10-01-2002 14:39:08

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email Everybody: if you go to the Optoma site and look at the service manual pdf, the standard VGA connection is shown. all the specs are there including screen resolution and sync freqs. Optoma used two different lcd's in the monitor: an IBM like zmoz has and a Toshiba. if the display is blurry as zmoz says, the vga-to-lcd controller probably can be used with a different lcd. the vga-to-lcd controller is almost worth the $100. check out the prices at earthlcd. Fusion Microsystems still has some unsold. i ordered one today. i will try to put a i-opener mb inside the Optoma case or something similar and drive the tft with the i-o vga out. since the lcd is 12.1", it cannot go into the i-o case. that is what i think can be a cheep and easy way to go to tft on and i-opener. the p233 computer should do as a cheep test mule for other projects. Best Buy has a 14" tft lcd monitor, brand name 'MAG' at $200 after rebate (at least they did last saturday), but that would take the fun out of reutalizing hardware. have fun, cheeply, oldman 10-01-2002 19:34:22

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) mikehell Profile Hey, you got a URL for fusion microsystems? What is it they're selling? More of those airport terminals for $100? I could use one of those. Mike 10-03-2002 10:42:09

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email mikehell: check out bolex's posting at top of this thread. the ebay link still works. email to janathan at fusionmicro.com. refer to 'airport internet terminal ebay item 2049150217'. the devices do NOT appear on fusionmicro's web site. price is $125 including shipping. they still had some as of sep.30. oldman 10-03-2002 19:37:02

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile My LCD looks real sharp. It's not blurry at all. The controls don't work as was promised by the vendor, and the power button has been bypassed with a loop. The speakers work fine, but I have not tested the MIC yet. I'm still planning on installing a diffrent mobo in the case, and installing this in my truck. I just need to figure how to mount the LCD. I'm goint to buy a touchscreen pad for it. ( http://www.touchwindow.com/laptopktmt.htm )The plan is to use touch, and voice to control the PC. I just think the MMX is just a bit slow for what I want to use it for. Plan is to use this as a DVD player, Media Player, GPS, and ODBII interface for the car computer. ODBII will alow you to create more detailed dash board monitors. ( http://www.autotap.com/autotap_for_windows_screenshots.html ) Really neat. 10-06-2002 11:11:05

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Hmmm....you just gave me some ideas...guess I will be ordering some more.... 10-06-2002 12:51:45

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Has anyone made any progress on getting the front panel buttons to work? Is anyone even trying? I was hoping that it would be a simple jumper change (or something like that). My current theory is that the buttons are disabled in the firmware. I haven't found any info on the PanoView 600T3, but as Bolex noted, it is very similar to the 623A. I'm wondering if the firmware from the 623A could be put on the 600T3 to enable the buttons. I'd be willing to guinea pig my monitor to test the theory. All I need to do is find a EEPROM from a 623A (or similar monitor). Anyone have any leads? BTW, I'm working on putting together the parts to add a touchscreen to the monitor. The parts should be less than $80 (including shipping). It will be a few days before the last order arrives. I won't know for sure if it is going to work until then. I'll post my results (once I have some) if anyone is interested. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-10-2002 19:09:20

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I would be VERY happy to get the front buttons working, that would allow you to center the display without software. It also might have other adjustments to improve quality. I have opened up the LCD, and the buttons are on the inside, as well as a winbond chip that I guess would hold the firmware. I see no reason why they would include those parts if it wasn't possible to make it work. I would think maybe they did something simple to disable them so people in the airport couldnt mess with them, but I don't see anything that could be wrong. I have emailed the guy at fusion m:icro about it, but I havent gotten a reply yet. I have to admit...I ordered 7 of them that should be here tomarrow... (yes 7!) 10-10-2002 19:59:02

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Oh....and where are you getting touchscreen stuff for 80 bucks? 10-10-2002 19:59:57

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Well...I just tried playing with all the jumpers inside the LCD. (there are 2)I tried every combination, the buttons still do not work. . Sometimes changing the jumpers did nothing, other combinations made the display all messed up. I wonder what they are for? 10-12-2002 13:19:24

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Hmmm....looking at the service manual for the similar monitor it explains how to flash the firmware near the bottom...although I don't think it would work the same with our monitor... http://www.optoma.com/marketing/marketing_support/Product_spec/panoview/PV632A_Service_Manual.PDF 10-12-2002 13:28:05

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I'm think that the 600T3 may be an OEM/industrial version of the 623A. There is a good chance that they share the same internal parts. The flash procedure in the service manual would probably work, but it requires a special interface board. I think the odds of finding someone with a 623A that would let us borrow the EPROM chip for testing are higher than finding an interface board. Granted, the odds of finding either of these are very slim. I've only taken a quick look at the jumpers. I'm guessing that they set the voltage for the LCD panel. I haven't had a chance to trace any of the circuits or probe it with a multimeter to know for sure. The parts that I found for the touch screens did not work together. I'm have a few more things to try. I'll let you know if I find a cheap working setup. zmoz: Seven of them!!! Your UPS guy must love you <g>. The down side to these machines is that the very large boxes that they are shipped in make it impossible to hide from your wife <g>. I thought about buying a couple more of these, but I just don't have the space for them. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-13-2002 10:52:14

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Actually...looking at the pictures of the internals on the service manual for the 623A it is slighly different than the monitors I have. It also says there are 2 different LCD panels used in these. Anybody have anything different than an IBM panel? Actually...I have bought 11 total now. I have them all pretty much taken apart and I am selling all the extra parts on ebay and just keeping the LCD's. That makes them pretty much free. And there are giant boxes everywhere!!!! 10-13-2002 11:07:26

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Yep, you are right about the board in the service manual being different. I noticed that the shielding/etc. were different, but I didn't pay much attention to the board. The service manual will be of limited usefulness. I spent a few hours this afternoon trying to get the front panel buttons to work. The buttons can be traced to the FPGA and the signals change with button presses. I tried adding and removing various jump points around the FPGA hoping that the one of them would activate the menus. None of the ones that I tried did anything. I hope that Fusion Micro has some suggestions. I wonder if CTX would be of any help? I had the same idea of parting these out on eBay. BTW, be sure to check the boxes carefully. The back cover and some software were tucked in the bottom of the boxes. I almost tossed them because I didn't see them when I unpacked the systems. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-13-2002 18:23:42

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Hey all got a few questions/statements ZMOZ: You say you found "some software on the CD that centers the screen". The only CD that came with mine was a new WinME CD. Brand new as in unopened. The thing already has ME loaded so I'm trying not to open the one that came with it. Any ways is this where you found it and is there a freeware version of it somewhere (or maybe a link to an image...) Also, What is the best way to part out the rest of the components to get the most $ ? Everyone: Actually the one I got today was an accident. I am ordering 10 of these on 10/15. They must have gotten my info mixed up with someone elses. If you sent in a money order in at the begining of the month and had your shipped via UPS on the 7th, I've got your computer :) I called Fusion and theyre working on tracking down the prob. The End 10-14-2002 14:09:48

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Here is a link to download the software: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ps.htm I have no idea why I said I found it on the CD, I have no idea what that is suppost to mean, mine only come with a windows ME CD as well. I have just spent like 5 minutes trying to think of why...must have had too much to drink... 10-14-2002 16:00:34

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Ah ha! I know why I said "I found a program that centered the video on the cd"...I meant to say LCD not CD...the L just didn't get pushed hard enough... 10-14-2002 16:40:30

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Just got an email back from fusion micro...he doesn't have a clue about the buttons either. Damn... 10-15-2002 14:34:48

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile I may have a small bit of information on the screen image being shifted to the left. Its value has yet to be determined: After taking apart the LCD and putting it back together, minus the clear plastic in front of the LCD, it looks like the screen itself is set to far to the left. The metal bezel around the LCD is visible on the right side, on the left it is not. I'm not sure how this is because all other measurements look square. 10-15-2002 20:24:39

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I'm not quite sure what you are talking about...but I have used a few of them with the cases removed, and the image is definately of center in the LCD panel. Does it look OK in the case with the clear plastic on the front removed? I was thinking about doing that to a few of mine... 10-15-2002 21:34:11

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile When you remove the clear plastic and seat the LCD on the plastic pegs inside the case and put it all together, apart from there being a big ugly gap all the way around the screen (so, no it does not look very good), the LCD seems to be a little to far to the left. It's like the pegs that seat the LCD are a little off so the LCD is not centered perfectly in the hole in the housing. 10-16-2002 00:09:17

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 1 times) inx3us Profile Allright, I am looking for a std. ps for these LCDs. The back of the mon. shows it uses 5V and 12V. Will the ps listed below work? I dont have the equipment to test the pins to make sure which one is what voltage and polarity. If the ps does work I'll be ordering 10 for myself and will tack on as many as people want. If you want one lmk and I'll inform you of when I will order them and you can Paypal me for the cost of them plus like a dollar for shipping (I'm just gonna buy padded envelopes and put a few stamps on 'em). Oh yeah, I'm also getting the IEC power cord for these also, same rules as above if you need that also. http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=14022+PS 10-16-2002 07:05:59

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Hmm...that looks like it would work, but I have no idea. I might be interested in some of those though... 10-16-2002 14:27:54

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: That's the same power supply that I ordered. It should work just fine. I'd like to find a physically smaller brick. I've measured the current draw of one the monitors and it was about 0.5a on the 12v and 1.0a on the 5v. There may be times where the currents are higher (power up?). It seems like one could "get by" with a smaller power supply than specified by the ratings on the back of the monitor. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-16-2002 15:53:20

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I just tried painting one of the LCD's cases silver today. It looks like it would have come out pretty nice, but I used a $1 can of spray paint I've had for like 4 years...so it made weird buble kinda things in the paint. But in the areas where it did go on right, it looked very nice. Oh well...it was extra and already beat up anyway... 10-16-2002 16:25:43

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) wvgeo Profile I would be interested in purchasing two of the power supplies. Just let me know what your paypal account name is and the total amount. 10-18-2002 11:27:31

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile OK. It will be in about a week or so. I'll wait and see if there are any other takers and to make sure that the PS that was ordered by someone else will really work. Check this thread again on Fri. 10/25. 10-19-2002 08:49:35

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile I don't think I am going to buy any right now (I spent all my money on 5 more ) but tell me if they work... BTW...he is out of windows ME (I got the last 5) but they still cost the same... 10-19-2002 12:03:35

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I was playing around with my LCD trying to figure out the best way to mount it on a flat surface. I turned the mount around, and now it's free-standing! If any of you are trying to figure out how to make it stand up by itself, check it out. I just flipped the mount on it 180 degrees. There was a small clip on one side of the mount, that limited it from rotating. I unscrewed that end, and took a flat-head and just popped off that clip. It now stands up by itself. /http:\web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand1.jpg /http:\web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand2.jpg Bolex 10-20-2002 21:23:36

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I was playing around with my LCD trying to figure out the best way to mount it on a flat surface. I turned the mount around, and now it's free-standing! If any of you are trying to figure out how to make it stand up by itself, check it out. I just flipped the mount on it 180 degrees. There was a small clip on one side of the mount, that limited it from rotating. I unscrewed that end, and took a flat-head and just popped off that clip. It now stands up by itself. /http:\web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand1.jpg /http:\web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand2.jpg Bolex 10-20-2002 21:24:30

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand1.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\lcdstand2.jpg backslash forwardslash whatever!! 10-20-2002 21:29:42

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Doesn't it stand up already without it moving all the way around? Mine do. Are you using a websurfer keyboard with that? If so how? 10-20-2002 21:32:46

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile I am using the metal backing plate that was part of the original mounting bracket as a stand. The existing screws can be used. I added four rubber feet to make the stand furniture friendly. It actually looks fairly nice. The plate could be painted to match the case. I've thought about replacing the plate with a larger one for added stability, but it currently works so well that I might not bother. BTW, the touchscreen panel from eBay auction 2062655952 fits perfectly on the display. This is a 5-wire resistive display. One would need a suitable touchscreen controller to hook this up (you do have a extra one somewhere, don't you <g>). The biggest problem with this display is that it doesn't have a anti-glare finish. It is a ultra clear panel with a glossy surface. This is great if you are worried about monitor clarity. Personally, I'd like to find a way of adding a coating to the surface to reduce the glare. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-21-2002 07:45:14

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Glitch, and others: If you take out that clear plastic in front of the LCD and finish the inside edges of the case with 1/4" foam tape (to fill the gap)the LCD itself has a nice low glare surface already. 10-21-2002 08:26:03

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: To clarify... The add-on touchscreen panel that I mentioned above has the glossy finish. Once you add this panel, you have a glossy, glare-prone surface. What is underneath is almost irrelevant. I would like to add a non-glare protective film like you can get for a PDA. However, I've never seen it for sale in large (10"x8") sheets. The stock plastic panel is relatively glare free but it pretty much kills the touch functionality. I'm not sure if any spray-on coatings exist for home use. It seems like these would be hard to apply properly and could really make a mess of things. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-21-2002 10:20:41

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile DOH! Submitted for consideration and possible indemnification: Have you checked with window tinting places or picture framing shops for a non-glare finish of some sort that could be applied? 10-22-2002 07:25:14

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile My power supplies from MPJA were delivered today. I've adapted one of them to the power connector on the monitor and it works fine. Here is the link to the power supply (again): http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=14022+PS As I thought, the supply is a bit bulky. I'd still like to find something smaller for portable use. The output cord is long enough so you can keep the brick on the floor. Considering the price ($13), it is hard to go wrong with this supply. BTW, if you place an order from MPJA be sure to check out the monthly specials page. There are a few great deals there. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-22-2002 16:40:58

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Adapted? What did you need to do? By bulky...how big is it? Is it the size of like a laptop power brick? 10-22-2002 20:17:00

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile zmoz: What I meant by "adapted" is that I built an adaptor from the existing connector on the power supply to the 4-pin Molex connector on the monitor power cord. One could also splice directly into the power cord or do several other adaptations. The dimensions of the brick are given on the MPJA website. It is about the size of a power brick from an old laptop. I'd like to find a brick sized like one from a new laptop (about half the size). 10-24-2002 07:41:23

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile ? Glitch that explanation totally confused me. It looks like the PS from MPJA will plug straight into the back of the monitor. The 5 pin DIN (male)plug should go straight into the 5 pin DIN(female) in the back of the monitor. This should negate the need for any splicing of any sort. 10-24-2002 08:51:57

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: We should get so lucky for that to happen <g>. The power supply has a 7-pin DIN connector (full sized DIN). The monitor has a 5-pin mini-DIN connector. The pin pattern on the monitor connector looks more like a 6-pin mini-DIN pattern with one pin missing. Even if the connectors were the same, the odds of the pins being wired to the same voltages would be very low. 10-24-2002 09:59:30

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile What the..? In the MPJA catalog and on the website the power supply is described as having a 5 pin DIN. The connector that comes with these things and the hole in the back of the monitor also have 5 pins. The voltage for these things is a combo of 5V and 12V, the same as the PS from MPJA. All this leads me to believe that everything should be just ready to go. If the PS you got from MPJA has a 7 pin connector you might have gotten the wrong one. Whats up with that? 10-24-2002 13:43:07

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Hey Glitch, any further word on the power supply? I hope the info I mentioned above was food for thought. 10-30-2002 07:22:49

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: I'm not sure what else to say about the supply. MPJA shipped the correct supply. It has the connector configuration that I mentioned above. To use the supply you need to splice on a connector that is compatible with the display. The power supply works fine once the right connector is installed. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 10-31-2002 12:26:16

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) 02U2 Profile Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I believe most newer external CD Writers use the same power adapter with the mini din 1 pin missing. I scored on a USB interface module (no drive) and new power adapter with above din plug for an I-Omega "predator" Exernal writer. I just BOUGHT the Polaroid 40X External USB 2.0 CDR/RW drive that's advertised in tommorrows OM sales flyer for $79 after $20 instant and $20 MIR. It's power adapter is identical to the one I fished out of the dumpster. The pin connections ID diagram is on the power adapter body identification label. CAUTION! I would definately VERIFY the pinouts on the power adapter and the LCD panel if you choose to go this route for testing purposes only. 11-02-2002 13:10:32

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile That sounds like interesting info. I'm still confused why the power supply from MPJA is called 5pin (std din -1) at the proper voltages and will not work. I will call MPJA on Mon. and explain everything to them very carefully and see what they say. I will post results as soon as I do. 11-02-2002 20:19:51

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: Are you looking at the right supply? The one that I have is this one http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=14022+PS If you look at the picture carefully it is clear that the connector has 7 pins. Whoever wrote the description to which you are referring may not have taken a good look at the connector and assumed that it was 5 pin. Besides, there is a big difference between a standard DIN and a mini-DIN connector. I'll also repeat 02U2's advice. If you find a supply that has the correct connector, be sure to verify that the proper voltages are on the appropriate pins. If you happen to put 12v on the 5v input you will very likely have a LCD monitor shaped paperweight before you know what happened. Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 11-02-2002 22:10:37

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile OK, I called MPJA today and here is what I found Out. The PS (14022) that was listed as a 5 pin DIN is that. But when the tech or whoever went to check he found out that some of them on the shelf were 6 and some were 5 pin. Their bad. Glitch sorta did get the wrong one, but if he had gotten the right one it wouldn't have worked anyway. The only thing we need to find now is a converter that is 5 pin std DIN female an one end and 5 pin mini male on the other. The ones in the MPJA catalog go from 5 pin std to 6 mini. With the ps supply being the proper mix of volts, what power is going to which pin can be sorted with a cut and splice of the wires. I have yet to look for the proper converter anywhere else. 11-04-2002 19:03:06

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email everybody: it does not matter what connector the power supply has. there is no standard pin-out for using din or mini-din connectors for power. even with an adapter, you could fry your display. you need to take a meter and a load and open up the case and measure the voltages. remember, a switching power supply needs a load such as a small lamp to operate for you to check the voltages. when inx3us first posted the mpj link, i checked it out. the picture looks like a ps i happen to have. my ps had no pin-out diagram on the case as some have, so i got my meter out and tested it. Glitch: does yours have a pin-out diagram sticker on the case? all of this is called 'hardware hacking', which is what this web site is all about. getting electronics made by different companies, when there is no standard, to plug together and work is close to a miracle. have fun, oldman 11-04-2002 21:54:17

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile oldman: I'm glad to see that at least one other person out there "gets it". I'm sure that there are many others, but they seem to be keeping quiet. I really shouldn't care so much, but I hate seeing or hearing about good hardware going up in smoke. My power supply does have a label on it. Looking at the connector with the key at the top and counting clockwise, the pins and wire colors are: 1 - common - white 2 - n/c 3 - n/c 4 - common - black 5 - +12v - blue 6 - +5v - red 7 - +5v - yellow shield - ground As always, it would be a good idea to verify the voltages on the pins/wires before you plug it into the monitor. I think my interest in the power supply part of this thread is just about gone. If anyone has any further questions of me, send them to my yahoo.com email. 11-04-2002 23:29:34

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Gee Glitch, I guess your short temper and obvious sensitivity towards those that dont "get it" is in some sort of inverse proportion to how smart you are and how much you know, huh :) To bad your interest in this subject has waned. The rest of us pitiful mortals will wallow in our ignorance and figure it out ourselves. I hope when I get as smart as you are I'm not such an A**Hole about it. I will use my knowledge and power to help others and not make them feel dumb. To bad your interest in this subject is gone, you will never be able to read this or admit that you have, to do so would be to admit that you have lowered yourself to the level of those that dont get it. :( 11-05-2002 08:10:36

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile inx3us: You seem to be making quite a few assumptions about how I feel about you (and presumably others on this board). You also seem to be making big assumptions about how I feel about myself. I'm just trying to help others get their systems working without destroying them in the process. I am usually more than happy to answer any questions from anyone. Yes, I do get frustrated when someone seems to believe a misprint in a catalog more than my firsthand knowledge gained by working with the actual part. Yes, I do get frustrated when one implies that I'm not capable of ordering a power supply and recognizing that I received the proper item. Yes, I do get frustrated when one implies that I'm not able to count the number of pins on a connector. Do I get angry about it? No, life is too short for that. You don't seem to want (or believe) the information that I'm providing. This is why I suggested that those who do contact me via email. Then I don't have to be frustrated by you refuting what I post. I apologize for using the phrase "get it". The phrase is not specific enough and is open to misinterpretation. Your interpretation seems to be different from the point that I was trying to make. If you want to discuss this further, contact me at smoke_liberator at yahoo dot com. I don't think that this forum/thread is the appropriate place to talk about this. 11-05-2002 11:28:35

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile So is there no standard plug I can get that will plug into the power jack on the LCD? I know that PS plug won't fit, but I don't want to cut up the original power cable...because I change my mind alot . I just ordered 10 more too...that makes 26 total! You should see the piles of boxes and leftover parts around my house... (hey...if anybody wants and extra one of those cases...I've got about 26 I'm going to throw away... 11-05-2002 17:25:39

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile zmoz: We seem to be thinking alot alike on this project <g>. I was also thinking of offering the empty cases (two of them) to a good home. All I would want is exact shipping costs, or stop by and pick them up if you want to drive to Detroit. I don't know where zmoz is located. The shipping costs may be lower to get them from him. FYI, the proper connector looks like Digikey CP-2050-ND. I haven't recieved my order yet so I can't say 100% that it will work. 11-05-2002 20:09:20

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email everybody: if you got the ps from mpja, take it to radio shack and match up the connector to one they have in stock. cut one of the device power cables from the ps that is in your airport terminal and follow the pin-out diagram that is on your mpja ps. solder the wires onto the terminals on the rs connector. red is +5 volts, yellow is +12 volts and black is ground. you only need one black wire. check your work. turn on the lcd before putting power to the ps. you are in business. have fun, oldman 11-05-2002 20:46:23

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Now you're thinkin'! I can't beleive I didn't think of that. Also..a big warning to everyone: I was plugging in one of the LCD's power connectors to a PS that was already on. When I plugged it in, it first went in backwards, and although it didn't go in the socket because it didn't fit, some of the contacts touched. *POP*POP*! Now I have one of those wonderful LCD shaped paperweights. SO MAKE SURE 1, you turn off your computer before you plug it in, and 2, if you get that external PS hooked up, check it carefully before plugging it in! I opened up the dead LCD, the fuse inside was blown. I didn't have any fuses to replace it with, so I just put a peice of wire in there temporarily. Turned it on and it started to smoke. (I guess the fuse wasn't the only problem...) 11-05-2002 21:51:58

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Greetings flame/rant watchers, hackers that get it and dont and those in need of a fast and easy solution to the LCD power supply problem. I am getting ready to order a custom run of cables for the LCD power cable. It will be 5-6 ft long and either be a 5pin mini extension to connect to the power cable that came with these things or it will simply be a longer version of the ones that we have, molex on one end and 5pin mini m on the other. Dont worry, all thru connections will be made. Despite previous comments I do "get it". I also like to minimize my time and effort in accomplishing the final goal, in this case, getting power to these LCD's at a length greater than 1.5 ft! The custom cables will probably end up costing about the same as the notorious MPJA ps of previous posts but will require no cutting and or hacking. I know to some it may seem unthinkable, but to others it will simply be a fast and easy means to the end. LMK of interest and I will post later next week about the final price. 11-08-2002 08:53:08

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I got the OSD to work on the LCD. Here are a few commands: Reset: hold down the menu/select/right arrows ---a reset dialogue box will appear. OSD: Hold down the menu/left/right arrows ---a "press menu" will appear. Hit the menu button. Navigate by hitting the select button. Bolex 11-24-2002 00:32:48

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) lasvegasprogrammer Profile BOLEX, YOU DA MAN! Thanks! 11-24-2002 09:27:45

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Glitch Profile Bolex: Thank you, thank you, thank you! Just curious, how did you figure this out? Glitch Electronics run on smoke, if you let the smoke out they won't work 11-24-2002 09:34:05

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Wow Wow Wow!!!!!!!!! 11-24-2002 10:48:53

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile It was born of frustration. I was trying to find some software to center the screen. I couldn't find anything I liked, and I was just mad at the LCD for being so off-center. I pushed all the buttons and held it there for a few seconds. I got the reset screen. I thought that if I got the reset screen, then the LCD probably had the OSD hidden behind some key combination. That's when I started playing with different combinations. A few minutes later I was centering the LCD. Now I only wish I would have bought a few more. Damn. Bolex. 11-24-2002 19:02:52

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile You don't even know how happy you have made me! I finally got a chance to try it out today...it fixes the centering and makes it clearer, and there's all kinds of settings for the speakers. I couldn't have aked for more. I bought about 27 of them...so this is REALLY great for me!!! 11-24-2002 19:09:43

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile SWEEET! I had tried the same thing but my patience when frustrated is apparently much shorter than yours. I am still waiting to hear back from a company about making power cables for the monitor. I have given up on the idea of using a walwart or laptop supply and am just going with a 5ft. version of the existing cable that plugs into the computer PS. I quit waiting for one company and have contacted a second. I will probably hear from them after the holiday. If anyone is interested below is the pin/voltage info for the LCD power cords.. 5V+ 5V+ GRND \ \ / \ -\--- / -\ o /- - o o - - __ - - - - o o - /- - / / 12V+ A little crude but it gets the point across. The shielding on the cable is crounded to the case on the plug. HAPPY TURKEY DAY all! 11-25-2002 09:29:18

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 2 times) inx3us Profile Doh! M@!##% G#% D@^! ASCII art! Three pins on top, two on bottom, left to right... 1= 5V+ 2= 5V+ 3= GRND 4= 12V+ 5= empty 11-25-2002 09:44:34

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Hey...anybody figure out what the other two audio connections on the back of the monitor do...if anything? 11-26-2002 15:46:06

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile The middle one is the line in. The one on the left is a line out. When you use it, it disables the speakers on the monitor. I have the monitor installed in my truck. I have the middle one plugged into the line out of the computer. I have a cassette adapter plugged into the left. This way I get the PC audio through the car stereo via the cassette adapter. I've been driving around town using netstumbler (netstumbler.com). I found 6 open access points on my street alone. I think (I have not tested this) that the one on the right is a mic. Someone should connect that to a mic-in on your sound card and see if it records. I want to get voice commands to work on my truck setup. If that's a mic, it would make it much easier to implement. Bolex 12-01-2002 21:18:50

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile I have some info about the power supply problem. I have found a company that can make a 5 pin mini extension cable. It is 5' long and will just plug into power supply cable that came with the monitors and then into the back of the monitor. I was waiting for a quote from another company that was going to make the identical cable that we already have, just longer, but they have yet to be heard from. The cable is $12.50. If anyone wants some reply here. I will just send it out regular mail in a padded envelope so the only other cost would be for the envelope and postage. I wont be making any money off this and I would prefer Paypal so I can have the money before I order. I have read stories of group buys going bad before and just want to make this less risky for everyone. 12-03-2002 22:16:58

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile I have a question about the looped power switch. Does anyone know if the black or the white wire is the hot one? The black wire is in the space on the mini plug that is marked with an arrow which would seem to indicate "hot" to me but white is usually the hot wire. Thanks. 12-04-2002 09:09:29

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Hey all. I'm going to be ordering the power supply cables in one week (12/13). Right after I see the new STAR TREK movie of course. Get with me here if anyone wants to get one. 12-06-2002 14:43:47

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) Bolex Profile I've finished installing that monitor in my truck. I didn't want to mount it anywhere, so I decided to try to use the cup-holder in my pickup as the base for the monitor. I made the mount out of 1/2 pipe. I bought all the hardware at home depot. 2 flange, 1 2" nipple, and 1 6" nipple. I also bought some screws nuts and washers. I drilled a 5/16 Hole through the base of the monitor, then put all the hardware together. The base goes in the cupholder, and fits in real snug. Here are some pics/movies: http://web.qx.net\tpierce\Stand.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\Joint.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\TruckView.jpg http://web.qx.net\tpierce\truck.mov I bought a small wireless keyboard to use in the truck. It's a gyration mobile keyboard. It uses RF, so no line of sight is needed. I also bought the gyration wireless mouse, but it stopped working after about a day. I'm going to RMA it. I've ordered the touchscreen, so hopefully that will not be needed. Bolex 12-26-2002 09:19:44

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile Wow...that looks really good. Is it easy to see what's on the screen in the sun light? I think I just might have to do that in my jeep. I just ordered the last 10 LCD's (only the LCD's) for $675...that brings the total to 37 :-o 12-26-2002 12:44:18

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile On a separate note; I am putting a call out to buyers of this unit to see if anyone has any of the cases that they would be willing in giving up. I am mostly looking for the plastic shell and the metal base with the piece of metal attached to it that the pc cards stick thru. Hopefully for free if they're just lying around, I pay shipping. 06-25-2004 11:10:58

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) zmoz Profile That's funny...I just hauled the last 15 or so cases that I had to the dump last week. 07-03-2004 18:34:56

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Oh S*** :( I hate when that happens. 07-04-2004 07:21:32

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) onthink Profile No very cheap ************************************************ ArtsˆD•ø 07-22-2004 10:27:09

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile Still looking for any of the cases that went with these units, anyone..., Original post: I am putting a call out to buyers of this unit to see if anyone has any of the cases that they would be willing to give up. I am looking for the plastic shell and the metal base with the piece of metal attached to it that the pc cards stick thru. Hopefully for free if they're just lying around, I pay shipping. 10-12-2004 12:16:38

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) itsvincer Profile | Email I just happened to see this thread while cleaning up the workshop and selling off idle stuff. I have two of these complete cases if you're still looking. They'll be gone in a week though; too bad you didn't include your address. -V 12-15-2004 17:02:08

RE:Airport terminals with LCD display on ebay - $100.00 (modified 0 times) inx3us Profile yes, yes, i'm here and still looking. e-mail me and i'll give you my ups shipping number so you can send them. or we'll work something else out. e-joe at excite dot com 12-16-2004 19:56:02

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