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New MessageCruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) cerulean
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Does anyone know what this has in it for hardware?

http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=MIS-ZCRUIS

Bob

10-30-2002 05:47:55

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jsmmd
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http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Zenith%20Cruisepad

some info.

10-30-2002 06:17:01

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jsmmd
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"NOTE: These units will not work without the CruiseLAN card & Access Point ISA card;..."

humm.. that could be a problem.

10-30-2002 06:18:22

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Deviant
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The same internet store (CSO) offers the corresponding network card for PCMCIA, and the ad indicates it can work Ad hoc (peer to peer). The wireless is listed as FHSS (frequency hopping spread spectrum) which is a technology incompatible with current 802.11b, but tended to predate it. I would think that any FHSS equipment will work with this system. On ebay, there once was a listing for a CruisePAD/RangeLAN2 access point, so that seems to verify.

Also, on other webpads that have had modems, they where implemented as an actual PCMCIA modem card inside the machine (removable). This may be the same (an FHSS network card inside the case of the CruisePAD). Information on the 'net says that the CruisePAD was software upgradeable, and that the computer sharing system was software by Citrix. I think it probable to replace the internal FHSS card (if it exists) with an 802.11b card, and update the system with the correct drivers. First one who gets a machine can verify if it has an (internal) removable card, and possibly what the OS is. (What is Citrix experience besides Windows NT?)

-Deviant

10-30-2002 14:14:28

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) vwbug19
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i searched all webs and could not find the tech specs for the cruisepad what i need to know the cpu and memory,it did mentions 2 3.5 disks?
but drawback is mono vga at 640x480 ick!!!!
10-30-2002 16:31:08

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) PeteC
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Here is some stuff grabbed while surfing:

The CruisePad was a device marketed by the now defunct Zenith Data Systems,
and jointly developed by offspring CruiseTech. Proxim developed the CruiseLan
for ZDS in order to achieve wireless networking and Citrix provided the metaframe
technology to provide the near real-time updated screen of the server (host PC).

Although this technology is dated, these units can still be neat to wirelessly surf the
web, send email and do general computing.

Don't expect it to run on NT, XP windows platforms, the software was made to
run on Windows 3.1 or Windows for workgroups and DOS. But it should run
on Windows 95/98.

Although it does require a Proxim 2.4 Ghz wireless 802.11b network card (not included),
at $59 this product is still pretty cool. Tigerdirect has the wireless
cards needed for another $39. You can snag a Cruisepad at different surplus
warehouses, such as www.computersurplusoutlet.com.

10-30-2002 17:42:11

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) cerulean
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From what I found on the web, it sounds like the Cruisepad runs its own OS (not windows) that is just for handling screen updates and inputs. The remote PC that is being controlled needs to be running DOS, Win311 or Windows for Workgroups. The host software may also work on Win98/WinME.

I don't think that the Cruisepad supports 802.11b. It sounds like it was based on Proxim technology from before the 802.11b standard came out. But, if it does support 802.11b, then the Cruisepad should be able to control any Win9x PC that is running the host software and is connected to an 802.11b access point.

Bob

10-30-2002 18:05:16

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Deviant
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HA!

I found a few articles referencing James (Jim) Y. Wilson and partner Aspi as having worked on the CruisePAD, and that it uses Windows CE 2.01 ! OK, so CE isn't very editable, but you can add drivers and apps to it.

10-30-2002 19:47:26

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Deviant
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More blow by blow searching:

Intel 486 CPU

10-30-2002 20:03:05

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Deviant
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Well, the Windows CE comment was premature, so I'll doubt the 486 as well. It appears that this product was revamped by Cruise Technology to be ported to CE, have a color screen, etc. This article does say that both supported thin client protocols ICA and RDP to run on Citrix MetaFrame, WinFrame, and Microsoft Terminal Server.

Apparently the original was also remarketed as "companies such as Motorola, Wyse, and Telos licensed CruisePAD technology and introduced their own versions named SitePad, Winterm Wireless 2930, and MobilePAD, respectively."

But, it does look like the old "in-house operating system called Mobile Interface Operating System (MIOS)"

10-30-2002 20:35:41

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) vwbug19
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really? a 486 based? at what speed?
i dont think win98 can be run on 486 without mininmum ram requirment?
i liked t-200 pad cool
i was looking at the hardware specs to hack it to run embedded linux
10-30-2002 21:06:18

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) zmoz
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You could never run windows 98 actually on the pad...just maybe communicate with a windows 98 computer...
10-30-2002 21:20:13

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) nosupportanywhere
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Well, here’s the hardware in the one I got:

386SXC-25
1.5M Ram
Rangelan2 OEM module

11-16-2002 17:52:04

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jsmmd
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They are now free with any order over $100.

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CSO Enews
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November 22, 2002 Volume 3, Issue 342

http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com

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FREE Wireless Cruisepad with Any Order Over $100 Today
(Originally sold for over $1300)
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order over $100 placed today. No coupons to enter. Just place
an order for over $100 before Tuesday 9am PST and receive a
NEW Wireless Cruisepad (Original cost over $1300). Also, take
a look at our New Arrivals and At Cost Specials, all just
released for immediate liquidation. Have a great weekend.
Your Friend,
Parker Webster

11-23-2002 10:49:00

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jayklm
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how does this thing boot up? is it booting off of a DOC or flash?
11-30-2002 13:24:33

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) razor1001
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I'm pretty sure that the CruiseLAN cards are variants of the RangeLAN2 cards, which use an earlier version of the HomeRF protocol. I use Proxim Symphony (HomeRF) cards exclusively on my home network, and I believe they are backwards compatible with the RangeLAN2 cards. I believe Proxim called the protocol used in the RangeLAN2 cards "OpenAir".
12-02-2002 03:49:06

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Bought 3 of these from CSO. Bought a PC-Card adapter as well.
DOS program require novell netwrk stack I cannot figure out. Downloaded win95 drivers from proxim site for 7200 2-piece PC-Card. Network cards are not removeable. Network protocols are: 802.2, 802.3, II, and SNAP. The laptop seems to see all of the clients but the client cannot see the laptop that has the 7200 in it.

Keep in mind that these devices are 640x480 16 colors only. I am not sure the MP3 player I want to run will run with this limited capability. but I'll worry about that when they work. I would apreciate any info about how to get them to work. I have the proxim drivers all installed, and the rl2 protocol installed. seems like a piece of host SW is missing. The HMWIN does not seem to run. with no drive I get a complaint screen. with the drivers , nada.

01-26-2003 00:12:56

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) sonofaglitch
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Whats the status of your work Ziggy, did you ever have any luck getting these
puppies doing anything?

I have a BUNCH of software for these, If I can find it. I had one and sold
it because I got too busy to play with it.

I would like to get one again, but didnt feel like re-inventing the wheel
if anybody else has made any progress - lemme know! Cheers.

02-20-2003 14:15:20

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) assassins
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I have made pretty good progress on my cruisepad, but still have not made the "connection" yet. On the cruisepad itself, I've been successful in getting the host name and group name to show up. Once you get this far, the "connect" button will turn from grey to black. But it just won't connect! I have been playing with the NET.CFG file quite extensively, and I've only had luck with the 802.2 frame type. None of the others seem to get me as far as the 802.2 did. I'm really itching to talk to someone with a deep technical understanding of this unit. It looks like nobody out there has made these things work yet... The folks at CSO seem to have made theirs work, but offer limited technical support. Hey, Sonofaglitch, maybe we could share some info on this thing? I have alot more technical advice to tell, but it seems I'm still missing a key piece of info... Someone out there, let me know what you think ?!?!

assassins

02-21-2003 13:08:05

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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I just ordered a cruisepad also. Its not here yet but I have been doing some research ahead of time. Here is some possible bad news ... the Wyse winterm 2900/2930 is a re-badged cruisepad, and Wyse offers the following bit of info:

Use of the Winterm Wireless products depend on the proper installation and configuration of three components. They are:

Proxim or Proxim OEM Radio LAN Adapters
Citrix WinFrame or Citrix OEM Operating System
Winterm Wireless User Interface

... the "bad" part is the citrix piece. I have a feeling it is going to difficult to track down the server version of the old winframe product? Any one have the winframe host software or have a lead on where to find it?

02-22-2003 11:53:58

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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also ... don't know if anybody needs it, but here is a copy of the drivers and some docs:

http://www.webnovice.com/dec01/Cruisetech.ace

02-22-2003 11:56:34

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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here are a couple other possibly useful links with patches, etc for the winterm.

The winterm is NOT identical to the cruispad so use the software links at your own risk. You might find something useful here though:

http://www.wyse.com/Service/support/winterm/techtips.htm

http://www.wyse.com/Service/support/winterm/2930soft.htm

anyone that has any luck please let me know ...

02-22-2003 12:01:52

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Took two step backwards. Booted win95 with the cable off. The driver reconfigured (I think) now it does not work anymore.
Burned up this weeekend trying to recover. Something wierd in the un-install.

Had a lot more trouble than I thought finding a PC-card to PCI adapter. This forces me to use and old laptop. Anyone thinking of buying one of these don't overlook difficult in getting the PCard to operate a Rangelan2 hub/router may be a better choice.

02-23-2003 21:59:53

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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There are lots of pcmcia adapters available on ebay. If you have an older pc with at least one ISA slot you can pick up an adapter for around $10-$12 shipped. (I just grabbed one yesterday so that when the cruisepad arrives I will be ready to start hacking) There are PCI cards also ... but expect to pay closer to $30 for one of those. Amazingly enough there are even some of the access points that Ziggy made reference to. If you have the cash I agree that that may be the way to go?

However, if you just want to go cheap ... stick an ISA adapter in any old pc you have lying around and then put an ethernet card in it to connect to your network. Then you can load software like VNC viewer to control the other pc's in your network:

http://www.realvnc.com/download.html

the benefit of this method is it SHOULD allow you to control ANY pc, even those running XP, LINUX, ETC.

Of course ... this is all just theory and is all academic until someone figures out how to make this thing work.

Ziggy- sounds like you have made more progress than anyone. What is your take on Citrix Winframe? does it appear that this is not really required? Also ... did you take a look at the docs that came with the download from webnovice? There is a lot of info about setting up the ini and cfg files for different configurations??? (maybe you already had this info)

02-24-2003 08:23:45

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Southpaw
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I am really interested in trying to get this to run under DOS, has anyone tried or had any luck with that?
02-24-2003 20:08:47

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Southpaw
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Actually let me throw my "idea" out to you all, and tell me if you think it is possible.

I want to build a MP3 Jukebox for my car, and use the Cruisepad as my "remote control."
I was planning on using DOS as the operating system for the player, so I think the cruisepad should work with it.
Any ideas? suggestions? comments?

Thanks!

02-24-2003 21:08:55

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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I think the mp3 remote is a great idea. I had considered the same thing. The only suggestion that I would make is to use Windows 3.11 instead of straight Dos. The cruisepad is supposed to be compatible with Win 3.11 also ... and it will provide you with a gui that should be a lot easier to navigate around via touchpad. The setback with using the cruisepad in dos IMHO is that dos is going to require you to use the graphical respresentation of the keyboard that the cruisepad has built in. This might be fine for a few things here and there, but could prove awkward and/or dangerous while driving? If you don't have win 3.11 you might check sites like www.oldos.org? Of course if your Mp3 program has a decent gui and you boot directly into it this might not be a problem? I still think that loading win 3.11 allows you a little more flexibility... in case you want to run some other programs in the car like say a day planner? or maybe just want to play solitaire while you are sitting in the parking lot?

Other thoughts on this:
* Might be nice to add another rangelan2 card or access point inside your house/apartment so that your mp3 computer can connect to "the mothership" to download new mp3's you have acquired. You could probably get one for the same cost as a cd rom drive and to me this is a much cooler way to get songs/software into loaded into your mobile player???
* I have seen advertisements for automotive software that plugs into your cars wiring harness and monitors all of your cars vital statistics in real time ... that might be a cool thing to have loaded and access via the cruisepad?????
* find a buddy that wants to get the same setup ... then whenever you are within 500 feet of each other you should be able to connect to each other's pc via the wireless card and swap music. (if the proper permissions are set up)

... just my thoughts ... my cruispad hasn't arrived yet so I'm just sitting around speculating hoping that someone figures out the pieces to this puzzle in the mean time.

02-25-2003 07:08:26

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) Southpaw
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What operating systems are you all trying to get this to run with?

Anyone have any success with Dos?

02-25-2003 10:38:53

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Still not able to get this pig working. Think I have to re-install Win95. I chose Win95 because the DOS software or Win3.11 software for the PC-CARD is hard to get working on this Handbook PC. Hate to pay $30 for a PCI-PC-CARD adapter until somebody can run this under win98. Don't want to regress on my other system.

From what I read about the Citrix software, this is only needed if you want to use a single PC to support multiple users. If you just want to control a single PC then you are OK. I agree that using VNC to access the other PCs is probably the way to go. I think that VNC will do the translation to 16 color VGA that the cruispad needs.

03-04-2003 19:11:28

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) totalprecision
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ok ... I have gotten it to work in DOS and Windows for Workgroups 3.11. It is working in conjunction with a lan card so I have access to my network. This is really not ideal, though because wfw 3.11 and dos really don't run all of the apps I would like to run. The original plan was to connect to this "old" pc running wfw 3.11 and then use vnc to connect to the rest of the network .. however the only vnc client I can find for win 3.x / dos is not very good.

The new plan is to try to get it running on win 95/98 or atleast win nt 4?? I'm not sure if it is possible though?

Anyone who wants any info on how to get this thing running in win 3.x / dos ... I had to do a lot of fiddling to get it to run, so I can't really remember the whole process, but perhaps if you wanted a few ini files or something I might be able to help? or if you are stuck at a particular place I MIGHT remember how to make it work. the techdoc.wri provided most of the info I needed to get it running.

... I am going to try to get it working in win 95/98 OR run connectix virtual pc on win xp and see if that will work??? that might be the best solution?

03-08-2003 18:42:51

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) andersen
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It's now $20 http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=MIS-ZCRUIS . If I had the money I would get this.
03-19-2003 15:09:30

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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As a note to this, there is another item at http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=COM-CRUCOM Which has the PCMCIA card included. They just marked it down from $37 to $30. Mine was shipped on Monday at the $37 price... :(
03-20-2003 16:31:00

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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totalprecision,
Did your battery light blink while it was charging like the manual says? I just got mine and I think the battery might be bad. The battery indicator did not come on and blink after putting the battery in the CruisePad and plugging up the charger. When I turn on the CruisePad with the charger connected, it DOES come on, and the battery indicator comes on showing the battery is completely discharged, but none of the bars blink. If I remove the battery, the battery indicator goes out, so it seems to be seeing the battery, but I don't think it's charging it. I will let it charge overnight and see if it works. If not, I guess I'll have to check with Computer Surplus Outlet to see if they'll send me another one. :(
03-24-2003 17:47:54

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Good luck. Batteries are bad in 2 of the 3 unit I bought. Batteries are specifically excluded from the warranty.
03-28-2003 20:43:34

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Have you tried asking them about batteries? I sent an e-mail to returns e-mail address the day I got it asking about it. The unit comes with a 1 year warranty and batteries are excluded from that, but I'm not sure if that will exclude a DOA battery. Note that if you buy an extra battery from them, THAT battery is covered by a 90 day warranty. It seems like they could at least cover the battery against DOA and then not warranty it beyond that... I've ordered another battery and we'll see if it works. I might have to send the first on back as DOA... ;)
03-30-2003 11:27:38

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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Hi guys!

If you have a cruisepad with a dead battery, try this to try and revive them.

1. look at terminals on battery. You should see two with + and two with - written below them on the battery case.
2. Obtain, steal, borrow a power supply, wall wart, battery that can supply 12V 1.5-3A.
3. Connect that supply to the the battery in the proper polarity. It doesn't matter which of the two identical contacts you use. (just make sure you connect negative to negative and positive to positive).
4. Leave connected for about 10 secs. Read voltage with a voltage meter. The voltage should be at leadt 8.3 - 8.5 volts. This with "force" current into the battery to get the level high enough for the cruisepad to sense that the battery is good enough to be charged.
5. If at first you don't succeed, try again.
6. This has worked for me, using a 12V 3A cheap benchtop power supply.
7. I have "repaired" 2 dead cruise pad batteries in this manner. These would not charge at all when connected for two days in the cruisepad. Now, they fully charge in the cruisepad to the full battery icon.

Let me know if it works for you.

It's worth a try! A dead battery can't be killed!

03-31-2003 20:46:42

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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Here's another little surprise.

Connected a keyboard to the cruisepad and did the three finger salute.
It rebooted! Just wondering if you can press a key combination to get to dos. Looks like the screen says NETWARE DOS and some other stuff before the startup screen but it flashed so quickly, it's hard to read.

03-31-2003 20:50:50

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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http://www.wyse.com/service/support/winterm/2930soft.htm

Take a look at COMPLETE FIRMWARE UPGRADE 2.30

This package has the full firmware for the wyse 2930. Maybe one of us can disassemble the Bios and DR DOS, and application modules to make something usefull.

03-31-2003 20:57:37

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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I'll have to try that revive the battery trick...

I have done some additional research on this thing. As you noted, the Wyse WinTerm 2900 series is essentially the CruisePad rebranded for Wyse. My CruisePad has a BIOS version of 1.53 with a system software of 1.00. If you look at http://www.zdsparts.com/cruisel.htm you'll see there is a "Flash-BIOS code 893-3597-xx2" part listed. I don't see this on their items for sale page at http://www.zdsparts.com/cruise.htm however.

The Wyse WinTerm 2900 is essentially the same as the Zenith CruisePad from what I can tell. Th 2930 is a color version. The two versions of the software on Wyse's site are 2.10 and 2.30. I have done some poking around in these files and it just might be possible to flash the CruisePad with these. The software is actually produced by Cruise Technologies, not Wyse. The BIOS in these two updates is also version 1.53.

In version 1.00 of the system software, it has four copyright notices: Novell, Phoenix, Triton, and Proxim. We know Novell is the IPX stack, and Proxim is the radio card. I figured Phoenix was the BIOS manufacturer, since I believe that Zenith also used Phoenix BIOS's in their desktops. That left Triton, so I did a little poking around on the net and discovered that Triton Technologies produced a remote control software called Co/Session that was similar to PCAnywhere. Triton has been bought out, but the Co/Session product has been updated a couple of time to at least be compatible with Windows 95. I don't know if later versions of the CoSession Host would work with the CruisePad or not.

From poking around in the ROM images, I can see that this things boots some kind of DOS. I found references to both DR-DOS and ROMDOS. It appears that 2.10 still is limited to IPX, but connects to Citrix WinFrame. I'm not sure if it still offers compatibility with Co/Session or not. It appears that the 2.30 firmware update is compatible with TCP/IP and still connects to Citrix WinFrame. These were designed for Citrix WinFrame 1.7, but I'm not sure if they would connect with Citrix MetaFrame 1.8 or XP.

I have given thought to attempting to flash the 2.10 or 2.30 images onto the CruisePad, but there are a couple of things stopping me:
1. There are no instructions on how to do the flash prior to the 2.10 WinFrame way of doing it. The manual just says that the Upgrade button will become available if there is a software update available and tells you how to use it on page 16.
2. There is a dire warning on page 17 of the manual that says that if a flash update fails, it will require a special connector and cable to fix it. I read somewhere else that it will require a serial flash to fix it. I don't have the special connector to attach to the serial port or a copy of original software to re-flash in case of problems.

Also, something else that I don't know if you've noticed or not... Near the end of the TECHDOC.WRI file, the following:

CRUISEPAD DIAGNOSTICS

The CruisePAD has an internal diagnostic routine which can be initiated by pressing CTL-ALT-D on the external keyboard during the first two seconds that the CruisePAD welcome screen appears during startup. (The CruisePAD welcome screen is the screen that shows all the copyright notices during startup.) Pressing CTL-ALT-D at other times will not initiate diagnostics.

You mentioned the Ctl-Alt-Del key combo, but I didn't know if you noticed this or not. This is kind of like a BIOS screen. Mine fails the battery voltage diagnostic test, so I'm not sure what this would normally look like. It comes up with an "SL>" prompt. I tried typing everything I could think of and the only response I got was with "R" and enter. I get "Saratoga Manager" loaded screen. If I try it again, I get an error that it's already loaded and to unload it with SM -U and try again. I'm not sure what this is. From looking at the 2.10 and 2.30 updates, it looks like it may be the GUI that allows you to pick the server to connect to. I presume this "SL>" prompt is where you would load a serially flashed BIOS.

Let me know if you discover anything else of use.

04-01-2003 22:22:16

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Also, I don't know if you've tried using any newer versions of the software or not, but I was able to update both LSL.COM and IPXODI.COM to later versions and still get the CruisePad to connect. When I used the latest Proxim RangeLan2 drivers for the CruiseLan/PCMCIA card instead of the CruiseLan driver, I was not able to get it to connect. It could see the host, but failed to connect. I'm not ruling out an error on my part, but something to note.
04-01-2003 22:33:53

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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I opened the cruisepad and guess what! There is a 40 pin IDE header on the board. Well, not a header, but you can solder one in. I wonder if this this will accept a hard drive/compact flash disk and boot from that instead of from the flash disk which I am sure is emulating drive A:
04-02-2003 19:43:23

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jstef
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mutsy- Please break out the soldering iron and hook up a drive :) I'm anxiously waiting for someone to get this thing working!
04-02-2003 21:24:36

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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You need 44pins for an ide hard drive. This must be for an ide flash adapter. I don't have one of those. sorry.
04-02-2003 21:44:51

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) jstef
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What about floppy disk?
04-03-2003 15:19:10

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Mustyputt,
I noticed the same location for a header, but I kind of doubt it is a drive. I didn't trace all of the lines,but at least some of them run back to the Cirrus Logic video card, so I'm betting it might be a place for additional video memory. There is a blank area right in the center of the unit for a daughterboard that would hook up to the header you mentioned.

BTW, the connector that the Proxim card connects to kind of looks like a compact flash connector.

As far as the number of pins, 40 pins is for a standard ide connector like in a desktop. A laptop drive uses 44. The four extra pins supply power instead of using a seperate connector.

04-03-2003 18:02:55

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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Damn!
04-03-2003 18:38:11

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Hehe, don't let me discourage you from testing. :) That's the only way we'll learn about it. I tried your battery trick with a couple of wall warts with no success, then I used an old 486 power supply's 12 volt connections. When I first jumped the battery off this way, it rebooted the machine, but it revived the battery! I'm trying to bring that old 486 up with Win 3.11 to get this CruisePad going. :) Thanks for your battery tip!
04-04-2003 11:43:46

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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Do not do the battery hack with the battery in the cruisepad! If i was not clear about this i apoligize. This is to be done with the battery out of the unit and only to the battery!
04-04-2003 13:38:50

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Finally ordered a PC-Card adapter for an ISA macine. Only $4 at CSO.

http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?ProductID=STO-LPCMRE

Looks like proce went up but enven at $10 this is not too bad

I'll try again with this new setup.

04-04-2003 21:02:43

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) NarShadda
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Mustyputt,
It was clear to me although maybe not to a newbie. I ordered a second battery prior to your battery revivification trick. The second battery says "Cruise Technologies" on it instead of "Zenith" and the slide locks are a bit longer and easier to work than the Zenith ones. The Zenith battery didn't hold a charge after a full day out of the CruisePad, so it still needs a bit of work, but I was able to charge it again without jumping it off. When I do the Ctrl-Alt-D trick with the revived battery, it goes through a complete set of tests. Interesting. BTW, when I tried the Ctrl-Alt-D trick with the NEW battery when fully charged, it complained that the battery voltage was slightly above the maximum and failed it. Picky, picky... sheesh! :)

Ziggy,
I ordered one of the PCMCIA adapters from eBay, and have it in a machine. I saw the $4 deal you mentioned, but by the time I got ready to order it, it had gone back up to $10. Oh well... I picked one up at that price, though.

04-06-2003 02:30:24

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) andender
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I've had a MobilePAD working for a while now. It is just another version of the CruisePAD by Telos and Motorola. It is identical to the WYSE 2930 as it has the 2.30 OS that works with Citrix and shows 256 shades of gray on its monochrome screen. I use the WYSE drivers (http://www.wyse.com/Service/support/winterm/2930soft.htm) for the Terminal Server/Citrix based computer. This version, as you all know I'm sure, runs the CruisePAD as a thin client. A "virtual computer" is created in the server, so you don't actually control the server. I use TightVNC for this (http://www.tightvnc.com). The setup I have is a central server running Windows2000 Server (which includes terminal services and is needed) and Citrix Metaframe. I use a ISA PCMCIA card adaptor and a CruiseLAN card. I loaded up some useful software like Trillian for Instant Messaging and Opera Browser. I use both of them because they are "light weight" as Trillian connects to all other IM software (no need for multiple IM programs) with no adverts and Opera is sleek and fast with no bloat and you can adjust the zoom percentage to fit the 640x480 pad screen. Once I connect to the server with my MobilePAD/CruisePAD, I can use the programs installed on the server and surf the internet like a normal computer. I can also control other computers on my network via TightVNC. I use the pad Mostly with my "entertainment" computer that I use to play music and watch DVDs. I have a HollywoodPlus DVD card, using Eugene's DVD software and have designed a custom 640x480 DVD skin for use with the pad. Unfortunately I can't upload the skin, as Eugene's site seems to be no longer up. You can download the program from http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/eugene_player.html, but no skins. If anyone is interested, let me know where to upload it.

I bought the pad from Ebay with no manuals or drivers so I did a ton of research before hand. I thought it was going to be the dos version, so I found the dos drivers at http://www.webnovice.com/dec01/Cruisetech.ace. It was found by luck that 0123456789 works for the serial. I also found that those dos version drivers only work on DOS, Win3.1 and NT 3.0. They only work with IPX and not TCP. I never got IPX set up on the dos computer and gave up when the pad arrived and it was the Citrix version. I also found that it had a maintenance password set, so I could not change any network settings. I looked through the info I had and I believe I read in the manual that when you forget your password and try and fail 3 or 4 times a code would show and you could call Cruise Technologies and they could tell you your password from that code. I had found some names of people who worked at Cruise Technologies when it existed, did some email searches and hit pay dirt on three of them. Got info that I already knew from two, but the third put me in contact with a guy who use the code and give me the password. I contacted the guy and he came through for me. He's not willing to make the program available that he uses, but is willing to help people out who have password problems. He said it was ok to pass his info along. His name is Mike Molinare and email address is m-o-l-i-n-a-r-e-@-a-t-t-b-i.com WITHOUT THE DASHES! He didn't have any other useful info other than the password. Oh, somehow he got the password LOGNET from the code B347F807088746. If someone can figure out the key to that it would be handy.

The Citrix version pad runs a customized WindowsCE. I have heard mention that there is some way to get regular WinCE on these tings but have yet to find any info on it. Not even from people who worked on the project. This would be key for people to get great use out of these pads. With that you could cut out the whole Citrix/terminal server or host software combination and use simple networking along with a remote control program to control other computers. Citrix and Terminal server software is very expensive. The only ways I have found to change the firmware on the pads is to have the pad working and connected to a host computer via wireless (which ever version you have) and upgrade via/from that computer. I haven't had to do this since I have the later version already and don’t want to screw anything up until I get another pad to experiment with. The other way is to have the direct cable connection.

One last tidbit, somewhere out there, there are color CruisePAD NXT's http://www.pencomputing.com/archive/PCM23/cruisepad_nxt.html. Haven’t seen any for sale anywhere.

I think that's all I got, sorry if I rambled too much.

Links:
Dos drivers: http://www.webnovice.com/dec01/Cruisetech.ace Serial:0123456789 (I figure its ok to include this since it was found by luck)
Citrix based drivers, manuals, firmware from WYSE: http://www.wyse.com/Service/support/winterm/2930soft.htm
Info: http://www.zdsparts.com/cruisel.htm <--some specs
Pads/Parts: http://www.zdsparts.com/cruise.htm
RangeLan drivers for PCMCIA card: http://www.expressresponse.com/cgi-bin/proxim02/showFaq.cgi?session_id=1049649540.28442.7&type=&product=rangelan2
Free remote control software: http://www.tightvnc.com
CruisePAD NXT http://www.pencomputing.com/archive/PCM23/cruisepad_nxt.html

04-06-2003 11:26:14

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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The cruisepad is totally laid out in patent #6,137,473. Check it out!
04-11-2003 19:57:55

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) mustyputt
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6. Flash Disaster Recovery

As mentioned above, the wireless interface device 100 includes the flash memory devices 742-748 (FIG. 25). As will be discussed in more detail below, the flash memory devices enable user software upgrades by way of the radio interface 960 (FIG. 16). Should power be lost during the programming, the data within the flash memory devices 742-748 will be corrupted, which could result in the system failing to boot.

In order to enable recovery from such a condition, recovery BIOS is stored in a protected sector of the flash memory device 742, which will be unaffected during reprogramming. In addition, a serial port interface 790 (FIG. 30) is provided to enable the flash memory devices 742-748 to be programmed in such a condition by an alternative wired source following a normal boot-up. Unfortunately, the configuration of the flash memory device 742 may result in the system failing to boot. More particularly, disaster recovery BIOS is not stored at the uppermost address of the flash memory device 742. Each flash memory device 742-748 are 512K.times.8-bit devices. With reference to Table 5 above, the flash memory device 742 is mapped to the address range $0C0000-$0FFFFF. The recovery BIOS is contained in the lower half of that range (i.e. $0E0000-$0FFFF).

On a normal boot-up, the system begins executing code at the top of the address range (i.e. $0C0000-ODFFFF) flash memory device 742 by way of the system address bit SA18. More particularly, on a normal boot-up a test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE, available at port 1.1 of the keyboard controller 125 (FIG. 15) is pulled high by the keyboard controller 125 during boot-up, which enables the buffer 762 (FIG. 17) which, in turn, enables another buffer 760 to enable the system address bit SA18 during boot-up. When the system address bit SA18 is enabled, the system begins executing code at the top of the address range ($0C0000) of the flash memory device 742. However, during a condition when the data in the top half of the address range ($0C00000-0DFFFFF) becomes corrupt as a result of a problem occurring during reprogramming, the system may not boot during such a condition.

In order to solve this problem, the system address bit SA18 is forced low. By forcing the system address bit SA18 low, the system will begin executing code from the protected area of the flash device 742 in the address range ($0E0000-$0FFFF) during such a condition where the disaster recovery BIOS resides in a protected sector. In particular, the system address bit SA18 is applied to the buffer 760 (FIG. 17), which is under the control of the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE by way of the buffer 762. The output of the buffer 760 is a signal FLIP.sub.-- SA18, which is applied to the address pin A18 (FIG. 25) on the flash memory device 742.

During a normal boot-up, the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE will enable the buffer 762 (FIG. 17) and, in turn, the buffer 760 to cause the system address bit SA18 to drive the signal FLIP.sub.-- SA18. During a condition when the code in the flash memory device 742 becomes corrupt, the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE is forced low, which, in turn, forces the signal FLIP.sub.-- SA18 low, resulting in the system executing code from the protected area (i.e. $0E0000-0FFFF) of the flash memory device 742 during such a condition to enable the flash memory device 742 (FIG. 25) to be reprogrammed by way of the serial interface 790 (FIG. 30).

There are various ways in which to force the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE low during reprogramming of the flash memory device 742 by way of the serial interface 790. One way is to externally ground the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE during such a condition. In particular, the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE may be connected to one pin of a two-pin header 1100 (FIG. 30). The other pin of the header 1100 is connected to system ground. During reprogramming of the flash memory device 742, an external jumper (not shown) is inserted into the header 1100 to shunt the test mode signal TEST.sub.-- MODE to system ground to enable the system to execute code from the protected or boot block area of the flash memory device 742 in order to enable the system to be booted. Once the system is booted, the flash memory device 742 is reprogrammed by way of the serial interface 894 (FIG. 29). Once reprogramming is complete, the shunt is removed from the header 1100 (FIG. 30) and the adapter plug 790 is removed, restoring the system to normal operation.

04-12-2003 07:58:46

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Just Recieved the Litronic PC-Card adapter from www.computersurplusoutlet.com. Now $10 (better deal at $4)
http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/viewproduct.asp?productid=STO-LPCMRE

Seems to work well with Win98SE the drivers were loaded after non plug-n-play scan.
Works well with my COmpact flash memory, sees the Proxim network card. Have not loaded netwrok drivers yet.

04-12-2003 11:09:59

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) ZiggyGT
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Well... The Litronic PC-Card adapter works well. the network card is recognized and installed under Win98. Can share files and with another Rangelan2 equiped laptop. Using the PNETCON program and driver from the Proxim site (model 7200)the PC can send test packets to/from the cruisepad. 1500 byte packets can be sent at 38Kb/sec, using site survey option and clicking on left icon. Note that system do not appear until the update button is pressed on crisepad. Seems like you must set the protocol manually. I used 802.2. this is set on the maintenece screen on the cruisepad and in the network option in the control panel on the PC.

Host manager does not start. Do not think the network stack is correct. Error message on boot is:
Microsoft workgroups odi/ndis3 mapper version 2.0
error. not bound to any boards
odi/ndis3 mapper initialization failure
press any key to continue

then also NWnblik.vxd missing from system.ini

will tryp to eliminate. backing all up to install wfw 3.11? can't find the damn disks.

04-14-2003 21:18:48

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) andersen
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Holy smokes! this is totally unrelated to anything, but I just remembered that my mother used to have a computer made by these guys at her job. I didn't relize what all these people did.
04-17-2003 07:26:16

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) lineber
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Does anyone know where they sell the NXT version of the CruisePAD?
http://www.pencomputing.com/archive/PCM23/cruisepad_nxt.html
06-18-2003 23:54:53

New MessageRE:CruisePAD at CSO for $49 (modified 0 times) m_bed
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I scored an Intel 1.6 Anypoint USB adapter at a swap meet the other day. It appears to be compatible with Rangelan2, based on what I've read on the web, but it's not entirely clear.

Has anyone tried any of the "original" Anypoint adapters (as opposed to the "Anypoint II" series, which are actually 802.11b. Or the wired Anypoint adapters, which are actually Farallon PhoneNet or somesuch. Somebody at Intel needs to be shot before they have a chance to decide that "Anypoint IIB" would be a good name for their Bluetooth line...) with a Cruisepad?

Ran

06-23-2003 03:21:07

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