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HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC

New MessageHP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 1 times) JunkLeo
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I got this ultraslim toy last month for $120 plus shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2725403393&category=31548

It is same as Mitsubishi Pedion, the specs:
233 MHz Pentium MMX
12.1-inch Thin Film Transfer SVGA
one USB
two CardBus PC Card slots
2.1 GB non-removable hard drive (8mm)
64 MB Random Access Memory (Memory is not expandable)
magnesium case
11.69 x 8.58 x 0.71 inches (ultra-thin)
3.2 lb.

It is Refurbished by HP, mine is almost close to brand-new. You can stack with the multimedia expansion slice(docking station) which has floppy/cd-rom and I/O ports. I don't find anyone sell it and I tried to get it from eBay but someone outbid it for $152.50(more than my Sojourn :P). Anyway this notebook is very cool, it is very very thin. It is slow for today standard but it can play MP3 or VCD, it is also good for the second notebook lying around for terminal services or RDP. I reinstalled Win98 without any problem. The membrane keyboard is hard to use for good typers but I can live with that. Overall I like this notebook, it is just cool.
It didn't come with AC adapter but the plug size is same as Mitsubishi Amity, so I use my spare Amity AC adapter. Good news: it works; bad news: my battery is only charged to 50%(3A for HP, 1.8A for Amity)
The seller has about 20 left and he is willing to set up the group-buy. If anyone is interested to organize the group buy, you can send email to Mark(liquidationzone@sbcglobal.net).
BTW you can get the spare battery for $10 (shipping is high though)
http://www.centrix-intl.com
search for Sojourn

04-26-2003 10:04:32

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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i'm in for a group buy @ $120.
04-26-2003 12:37:54

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) zmoz
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I'm in for a group buy. I definately don't need another laptop...but that would make a really good "wireless monitor". I'm currently using a webplayer for this, but as you know the display isn't it's strongest feature...
04-26-2003 13:31:32

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
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I think Mark will sell the notebook for $130 incuded shipping without group buy because usually you can get it at this price on eBay if no one try to outbid you. Of course the price for group buy could be lower but we need someone to organize it(I won't buy another one so I am out).
04-26-2003 14:17:25

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) SiliconIce
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ooooh....another toy I don't need but couldn't pass up!

I'd be in for one $120 shipped...130 even maybe...

04-26-2003 14:23:33

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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how many buyers constitutes a group buy. looks like we've got 3 so far? i think 120 shipped is fair
04-26-2003 21:07:14

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) Werewolf
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Sure, I will buy in for one unit as well.
04-27-2003 02:56:32

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) Randomluck
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Oh alright twist my arm LOL
BUT they need to be cheaper than the eBay price.
04-27-2003 15:00:17

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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who wants to contact mark and try to make a deal. Less than 120 would be great
04-27-2003 15:37:49

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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don't know how we could swing shipping to one place.

Thanks for the inquiry. I sell these for $149.99 on my website plus shipping (and on eBay Buy It Now for $120 + $17.75 s/h). If you take 4+, I will do $125 and include FREE UPS Ground shipping (as long as they are all going to the same place). Let me know, as there are only about 20 of these left. Thanks.

Mark
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From: Adam
Subject: HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC


I don't know if anyone has contacted you yet but we have four people so far for a group deal on the HP OmniBook Sojourn notebooks. What is the best deal you can give us

Thanks
Adam

04-27-2003 20:43:17

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) amused
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I assume this could do a serviceable job of running Win2K? If so, I'm in. Maybe we could just get a break on the shipping?
04-27-2003 21:54:13

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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Amused,

If the Sojourn is identical to the pedion, then maybe this would answer your questions:

http://www.mitsubishi-mobile.com/support/mobile.htm#Pedion,

* Windows 2000 is not supported because of install problem. During the installation of Windows 2000 or after,
* each re-boot(warm boot only) cause a corrupt screen and system hang up.


But since it only says that win2k is NOT SUPPORTED, maybe it is possible to run win2k?


ranman

04-28-2003 18:04:13

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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ordered mine a couple of hours ago. hope it's a good unit. found this link:

http://www.doors.ch/DOCS/HP/NOTEBOOK/sohourjn.pdf

04-28-2003 19:18:17

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
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all the support files:
http://24.237.160.4/files/omnibook/ob_sojourn/
04-28-2003 19:37:07

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) FALLENNITE
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i will join in the group buy if you can't drop the price further (limited to 64mb for memory) this is a big draw back if you want to run anything above win98/me like win2000/winxp system will be slow. By the way there is a way you can install 2000/xp on these laptops. all you need is a 2.5 to 3.5 ide connector install win2000 on the notebook drive and move it over and install the rest off the drivers. Can anyone tell me what limits the memory
04-28-2003 21:51:25

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
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64MB RAM is not expandable, and the 8mm HDD is also not removable but you can test your skill to open Sojourn
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~urabishi/page002.html

overclock Sojourn to 266MHz
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~urabishi/page006.html

replace 8mm HDD by 9.5mm HDD
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~urabishi/page007.html

For me, I will stick with Win98 before I can get the multimedia expansion slice from eBay.

04-28-2003 23:19:58

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) FALLENNITE
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is the laptop missing battery, floppy drive, cd drive, and ac power?????
04-29-2003 01:12:42

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 1 times) JunkLeo
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no, yes, yes, yes.
The floppy drive and cd drive are on multimedia expansion slice which is not included. It is refurbished by HP in sealed antistatic bag but no AC adapter. When this notebook just came out in 1998, it was not easy to fix quickly, HP offered second-day replacement, and I think those notebooks are returned, fixed, sealed and ready to ship back to different customers for replacement.
04-29-2003 08:50:49

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) smigs
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I might be into doing a group buy if the terms are right.

smigs

04-29-2003 14:22:30

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JayEl
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I'm very interested too - count me in for one. Do we need someone to help with this?

A few hardware questions arise. Does anyone know what the power adapter socket / plug this uses? A 14V 3A switcher is even smaller nowadays and I'd like to get the right connector for it.

The Titan II Mobile chipset (Intel 430TX) can handle EDO DRAM as this uses - and SDRAM too - up to 512MB. It looks like the processor board has the EDO DRAM ICs soldered directly to it. Anyone determine the parts used? I'm considering replacing them with 256Mb SDRAMs which would significantly speed memory and increase it to 256MB. The SRAM cache may be doubled using a similar modification (I've done this sort of thing before to my ancient Compaq C-120 Windows CE machine).

Finally, the LiIon cells are getting old even if still "shrink wrapped". Any news on which cells are used? The classic 16850 cells won't fit.

More memory, use of an MMX, and the tiny package would make this nice for my coming trip to Kazakhstan. Best to all!

04-29-2003 21:32:17

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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Count me in for one as well, maybe even two (depending on the price).


ranman

04-29-2003 21:42:57

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) vwbug19
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look at model label usually on bottom of laptop check the date of manufacture if it says 97' you're in luck cause cardbus(32bits) supported and on laptops before 96' won't be supported
cardbus is needed for usb cards and firewire cards too
mine is old cheese!


"isn't that Kazakhstan went supernova one thousand years ago?" says commander data

04-29-2003 22:46:34

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JayEl
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Oh, foobar. One of the reasons I wanted this was to use my DLink DWL-650+ 802.11b WiFi card for browsing the Web around the house. However, the card requires a 300MHz CPU or faster - or it will lock up the computer. And I don't expect I can overclock the CPU quite *that* far.

Sorry, folks - drop me from the interested list (!@#$%^&*). Or has anyone tried this and it works? Still hoping to make it all happen...

04-30-2003 11:24:46

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JayEl
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Regarding the expansion slots: Both are *Cardbus*, not just PCMCIA (i.e. they're 32 bit, not just 16). Only the rear one supports zoomed video (used by FireWire and other digital video cards for direct access to the display). But most modern cards will work if the 233MHz CPU and 64MB of RAM is sufficient.
04-30-2003 11:32:05

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) zmoz
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Damn! That's the card I wanted to use with it too!
04-30-2003 17:46:41

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) amused
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Ah, foo. No Win2K support. Oh well, guess I'm stuck with W98. Since all I need to run on it is IE and some VPN software, I'm hoping I'll be OK.
05-03-2003 13:44:07

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
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I guess the group-buy won't happen because the seller is selling all his Sojourns now on eBay Dutch aution which ends by May-05-03 16:38:51 PDT:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2727271750&category=31548

05-03-2003 22:04:07

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) jsmmd
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I think $120 is good, but for the hardware, it should be more like $50-$75.
05-06-2003 11:31:16

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) zmoz
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If that was a desktop...or even an old used laptop, but this is a very good price for one that is refurbished by the factory and apparently in very good condition. I just sold a 266mhz compaq with 32mb of ram about 5 months ago on ebay for over $350
05-06-2003 16:21:41

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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got mine last night. very very nice laptop. i copied the win98se folder to a CF and ran the update from there and everything went fine. then i noticed in the device manager that the drivers for usb weren't correct(yellow exclamation). so i went to the ftp listed above and installed the file sou10en.exe. i know this is for 95 but i thought it would work. well it didn't now the laptop won't boot. i get errors at boot and it won't even go into safe mode. i really don't want to take this thing apart to get the hard drive out. any ideas?

i also noticed a plastice slide cover at the top of the keyboard. anyone know what this is? can i lift the keyboard off to access the hard drive. this sucks

05-07-2003 09:20:39

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) piperpacer
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Maybe you could boot from the CF. I have seen successful posts in this forum where people were able to boot appliances from CF. If I recall correctly CF is a close cousin to IDE.
I have no first hand experience but I bet the pool of talent here could help.

lotsa luck

05-07-2003 11:17:43

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) JunkLeo
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The battery is under the keyboard, unless you open the notebook, you can't access the HDD. I fresh installed Win98 SE(98 lite, in fact, rename Windows folder and win.com to win.old) without any yellow mark. The reason I want to get the multimedia expansion slice because when you screwed up, you can boot from the floppy.
05-07-2003 13:33:02

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) zmoz
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So of everyone that has already gotten one...is your battery good? How long does it last?
05-07-2003 17:29:01

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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problem solved. i was able to get to command prompt from startup menu. re-ran 95 setup from cabs on c: and then re-ran 98 from cf. will check battery life tomorrow
05-07-2003 20:23:55

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) Lincoln_man
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adam714 - When you ferform an upgrade and you get a device that didn't load the driver or
something and end up with your yellow exclamination, the first thing to always do is to remove the item from device manager and reboot. Sometimes a left over driver is being used and Windows needs to refind the device anew.
05-08-2003 07:03:54

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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anyone notice that the keyboard is UK?
05-09-2003 08:05:13

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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I got mine this past Thursday. When I took it out of the box, I was very surprised at how small and light it is. It makes my compaq laptop look huge.

I installed win98se, office2k, and streets and trips 2002 (and netstumbler too). I am very happy with it. I have a multimedia slice coming soon. The battery, however, is bad. It is now at only about 18% charged after being plugged in for several days. The first day it was at 5% and has gradually gone up. I haven't actually tested how long the battery last as I expect it would be just minutes. The amber light showing the battery charging only stays amber for a few minutes before turning green.

My dlink dwl 650 (not the + card though) 802.11b cardbus adapter works perfectly in it.

Anyone been able to get DMA turned on for the hard drive? It appears that it is not supported as I select the box in the system properties but it reboots with it off. Oh well.

I am very happy with the sojourn.

05-19-2003 20:50:11

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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My battery takes a full charge and lasts about an hour or more. the proiblem i have is that when running on battery power. it just goes into standby without warning. i upgraded the bios and made sure all standby modes are disabled. worked fine for about a week then started doing it again.
05-20-2003 08:03:06

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 1 times) ranman
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adam714,
Mine does the same thing, except mine does it about 15 seconds after unplugging the ac adapter. It still does it even after I flashed the newer bios.

When I have it plugged in, it shuts down the hard disk after 1 minute even when I specify 3 minutes or never. Strange. Fortunately it never goes into standby while plugged in.

My battery is now up to 20% charged! Now if I could just get that other 80%.


ranman

05-20-2003 13:41:13

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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I tried installing windows me on my sojourn (hoping to fix the problem of immediately going into standby mode after removing power), but each time it came back from standby or hibernate mode, the cursor would be very jumpy. I fixed this problem by disabling advanced power management, but then the usb mouse wouldn't work when coming out of hibernate mode.

So, I took the sojourn apart, removed the HD and reinstalled win98se.

Taking it apart isn't too tough. Putting it back together is a bit tougher. Taking it apart reminds me of taking the Ipaq IA-1 apart (remove screen hinge cover, unattach screen, prop cover off...).

Now, if I had my multimedia slice yet, I wouldn't have had to do all of that. It should be here on Friday.

Ranman

05-24-2003 16:33:12

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) adam714
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ranman,

other than the standby problem, how does Me run? i was thinking about putting Me on mine. are there any drivers issue?

Can u give some details about the disassembly and assembly?

05-25-2003 13:05:28

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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Adam714,
I am happier with how windows98se runs that winME. After I installed windows me, each time the sojourn would come out of standby or hibernate mode, the USB mouse I had plugged in was not responsive. And on top of that, using the built-in mouse pad, the mouse would skip. Also, at the same time, my dlink dwl650 would also not work. However, these problems would disappear when I disabled advanced power management.

I also one time encountered the low system resources message in winME. For winME I did all of the windowsupdates, office 2000, and streets and trips 2002. For win98se, I did all of the windowsupdates, office 2k and S&T 2002, and I never had a low system resources message.

With win98se that I have installed now, I have no problems when it comes out of low power modes.


To take it apart:

1. remove screws from bottom of unit including 4 four that are in/under the foot pads
2. unplug power, hit recessed off button below left CTRL key
3. flip up keyboard and remove battery
4. unplug the ribbon cables going from the keyboard and touchpad to the mobo - there are
3 of them. of course, be careful.
5. take the keyboard out
6. remove plastic around lcd by using something thing to pry along an edge but be very
careful - it was somewhat easier for me because this plastic was already cracked in
one area on my unit
7. lay screen down completely open (i.e. flat)
8. unscrew 4 screws holding lcd to case
9. gently pry open case by using something thin (I used a very thin knife) to open it up
10. when prying case up, the lcd connector will probably become detached (it is just above
the escape key)
11. now you should have access to most of the unit
12. remove 4 screws holding the drive cage to the case (it is to the right of the touchpad)
13. remove hard drive cable
14. remove hard drive from cage


As far as putting back together, the tricky part for me was getting the LCD cable plugged back in. I didn't realize initially that it was unplugged until I had put the hard drive back in and rebooted, and found there was nothing on the LCD. Putting the LCD connector back in last seemed to be easiest for me. Less difficult was plugging in the 3 ribbon connectors for the keyboard and touchpad.


I am typing this from memory, so when taking it apart, please be careful.
Let me know if this helps.


ranman

05-25-2003 20:06:43

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) ranman
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Got my mitsu slice on Friday. Got it for $10 on ebay! It is very nice. Initially though, the sojourn did not want to stay attached at the left edge (where the main connector is) as the spring holding the latch had popped out. Opened it up, put the spring in place and now it works well. However, some little metal clip from somewhere else inside came out. Seems okay though.

It is neat how the small speakers pop in and out on the slice. Sound is quite a bit better through them than the internal speaker. The 24x cd-rom works fine.

It looks as though any slimline optical drive could be put in place of the cd-rom.


ranman

06-01-2003 19:35:37

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Just in case you are interested and you missed this one? http://www.stores.ebay.com/katzenlover/plistings/list/all/dept2/

I'm not selling these or affiliated.

06-01-2003 21:32:14

New MessageRE:HP OmniBook Sojourn 233MMX Notebook PC (modified 0 times) saabnut
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Ram chips are M5M465 165ATP (741CBOW-6) 8 of them. if anyone who comes up with a mod to add ram, I would be really interested.
Cache chips are KM732V596ALT-15 2 of those.
Intel PCI chipset 82439TX and 82371AB 1 each
I have used larger drives up to 10GB with success on this these machines. Win 2000 will run, but it is way too slow. If you wish to run windows I found Win95 updated to Win98 gave the best performance/features compromise. 98 SE seemed significantly slower. Intel has a windows driver update for the 430TX chipset that seems to make the machine operate faster. There is also an update to the bios and other things on the Mitsubish pedion support page. I have not tried the bios update on the OB yet.
12-29-2004 10:57:15

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