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New MessageWML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) Gondola
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I recently purchased one of these:

http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=38&prid=631

The feature set seemed to be what I wanted; it's a portable wireless internet radio, and can play music from the local network as well. It has RCA and optical outputs, and you can remove the speakers to just integrate it into your home entertainment center if you don't want to use the cheap speakers that come with it.

Unfortunately, after I got it and installed it, it appears that you need to run MusicMatch Jukebox software (Windows only) and that part doesn't even work for me. So the only functionality I have right now is stream-based music. I emailed Linksys tech support two weeks ago, but have gotten no response about my inability to browse my music server.

Anyway, I figured this kind of appliance was something that you guys might enjoy hacking.

Please post any experiences you've had with this device.

Thanks!

07-11-2004 09:58:42

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) MOOKIE
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Go to http://slimdevices.com/ and download Slimserver for FREE.
It is available for a Windoze, Mac and Linux.
See if you can connect your Linksys device to the IP address and port number of your music server.

You can use Slimserver to stream music to various PCs around the house or over the web.


Adam@MOOKIE
07-12-2004 08:43:57

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) zmoz
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I basically built my own with a Pocket PC and a wireless card...only cost about $150 total. Good for other things too.
07-13-2004 00:20:44

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) runningtwig
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I recently got one of them there linksys thingamabobs. I was unable to find anyone else who claimed to get it to work under linux, so I figgered I'd post my experience for all the world and google to see. The device plays internet radio streams as well as music served by a local musicmatch server. Getting the wireless set up, and playing internet radio was simple and straightforward. However, I didn't want to run musicmatch on my linux box since MM for linux relies on WINE, and I didn't want such a resource hog sitting in the background. I tried slimserver. That likes to broadcast on port 9000. There's no way to get the linksys thingo to look for something other than a musicmatch server (port 80) on the local network. In fact, there are no configuration options for the local media server. Either the linksys sees it or it doesn't. I tried running slimserver on port 80 to fool the linksys, but for some reason, running on port 80 breaks slimserver, and some of the configuration screens stop working. So I moved to icecast. I didn't have much luck with icecast either. I couldn't get the linksys to see anything local.

Now, kids, I know you're thinking that all is lost, and that we should abandon all hope. And just when I was starting to think that, inspiration struck! I decided to see if the linksys was accessible through my browser. Sure enough, it was listening on port 80, and it asked me for a username and password. I took the radical step of searching through the documentation, and found that the default username is blank (as in, no username), and the default password is admin. Voila, I was able to do more configuration on the linksys! The bad news is that there was still nothing that would allow me to tell it what to use as the local media server. The good news is that it offers an interface to define "Favorites" --- the list of favorite internet radio stations. The unit itself only allows you to add favorites from a set list of stations that gets downloaded from somewhere out in the ether. From the web interface, I could add http://IP_OF_MEDIA_SERVER:9000/stream.mp3, which is the default address for the slimserver stream, and start listening to music. Granted, I can't take advantage of some of the features of the linksys, like browsing through my collection, and playing a specific song. But my normal M.O. is to load a bunch of music, put it on random order, and listen passively. So this solution works well for me.

Be careful out there.

12-08-2004 07:02:01

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) DreamingSandman
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Just thought I'd Help you on that..

I've bought a WML11B a few days ago and only now stumbled upon a way to use *ALMOST* every feature without having to run Windows somewhere.
Basically, the WML11B is a UPnP MP3 Device, which only need a UPnP "server" to be usefull. While searching, I've stumbled upon a nice server that works under Win, Mac OSX and Linux.

Get the Server there: (the Music Server is Free)

http://www.twonkyvision.de/UPnP/

Put it at the root of your Music directory and run it. It'll recurse throught the dirs and build up a database to feed the player. Now make sure you aren't blocking your player with a firewall on the server and it should automagically discover the new "Media Server" (just check the server`s .ini files for config). Every M3U (Wimamp Playlists) it finds are added to the "Playlist" menu of the WML11B.

The only thing I can't seem to get completely OK is that the Browsing is a bit different than with MusicMatch, since it misses some sorting choice. Browsing around take a bit more time for BIG mp3 collections. It seems that the "enhanced browsing tree" is only available on the Full release, wich is reported to be 10$USD via PayPal (link on same page)

There are some tools to build up an Internet Radio playlist from Shoutcast.Com and it work well.

I'm quite surprised at that little server, I was about to ditch the WML11B right before finding that one;)

DreamingSandman

12-08-2004 22:25:02

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) zonyl
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zmoz: What combination of PPC and WiFi did you acquire for ~$150? I want to do something similar. ;)
12-26-2004 17:41:58

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) m_bed
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It's not hard to put together an iPaq package like that from ebay auctions. Especially if you're not afraid to crack the case and install a battery in a unit that's cheaper because the existing one is shot. But be warned that, if you want to Linux-ize it, the base install of a GUI version of Familiar uses up almost all of a 3600's flash. You'll probably want to either look for a WinCE-based client, or spend the extra bucks for a 37xx or 38xx to get more flash.

Ran

01-01-2005 12:27:57

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) zonyl
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Heh.. That is exactly what I did based on this idea (glad I stumbled on to this before I bought the linksys) Bought a CF WiFi card and a 3650 (w/sleeve) from ebay with a dead battery, installed familiar 8.0 on it, "baked" the battery and it now takes a charge. ;) $110 total

I am in the process of backing off some packages and replacing them with NFS mounted versions as this will be a permanant fixture in my home. I need something like rsh on it so I can remotely play mp3's / display some GTK message (CID / Weather / Etc) ala Misterhouse.net. Havent quite figured that out yet (wish it had room for perl)

Thanks for the ideas and help!

01-01-2005 22:24:52

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) lmbowling
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What do you mean by "baked" the dead battery, zonyl? I've got several and would love to know this trick! TIA
01-02-2005 03:30:20

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 1 times) zonyl
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To bypass most LiIon saftey circuits:

Put the battery in the oven at 350 Degrees F (no preheat) for about 5-8 minutes in the oven. It took a couple of tries with the Ipaq battery so I am not sure of the exact time it will need on first try. Heat it up, just dont let the plastic melt. Take out of the oven and quickly put it into the ipaq and charge. Afterwards, dont let the battery run down too far (If you Ipaq shuts off due to battery depletion, get it charged again quick!)

*** CAUTION: This is bypassing the safety circuit that is there to prevent the battery from overheating and possibly exploding! Do this at your own risk! Wear eye protection, gloves, etc!!! ****

Most of these LiIon batteries (Notebooks, etc) have an internal resistance safefty circuit that prevents them from being charged after a certain point. (age degrades the battery over time) When a battery is heated, its internal resistance seemingly decreases temporarily, enough so that if you take it out of the oven and quickly put it in the ipaq, it will start to charge. Just dont run the battery too low again and it will be fine for a while longer.

01-02-2005 08:27:05

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) zonyl
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I just want to futher express the danger of heating up the battery! I have a college friend who also did this a while ago and had a thinkpad battery explode on him while taking it out of the oven. A lot of the heating time involved is intuition, and its better to undercook the battery and try again.
01-02-2005 08:39:53

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) Wildsong
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I feel so dumb compared to the rest of you, but what does running a server like the slimdevices do above a normal windows file server? Right now I got my songs on a 2003 server box, and reach them by musicjukebox. What extra does a specialized music server give?
01-02-2005 18:18:28

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) MOOKIE
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The setup you have now with Musicmatch works fine. I have a similar setup using Mandrake Linux as my file server.

Most of the gadgets you see on this site are not complete computers. Some cannot map network drives (or samba/nfs mount them in linux). But most of these gadgets are web enabled.

Basically, SlimServer, and other programs like it, let you broadcast your music files over a network. Just point your gadget to the server's URL and port number and you can listen to your streaming playlist.


Adam@MOOKIE
01-02-2005 18:34:15

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) m_bed
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Bought a CF WiFi card and a 3650

Hey, you probably beat me in one of the auctions where I've been trying to get another cheap WiFi card

Some 3600s and 3100s were built with 32M of flash due to a shortage of 8Mx8 chips. You can find out if you got lucky by checking the messages on the serial console when you do a hard reset: the flash chip type is listed there, and the 32M iPaqs have a pair of 28F128s.

I think I've figured out how to easily build a new image to take advantage of the extra flash, if you can network to an NFS server. Watch for a post to the familiar mailing list in a day or so.

I found some info on how to flash iPaqs with broken screens, too, so you can make pocket-sized headless Linux boxen for under $50 a pop (plus the cost of a wired/wireless NIC). I'm planning to use a couple of them as music clients. Not as nice as having one with a display, but it's half the price.

If baking batteries gives you the willies, I found a vendor on ebay that sells 1600mAh replacements for about $17 each, plus $6/order shipping in the U.S. The service was great, but I'm not sure how to test the quality: mechanically, they look _slightly_ inferior to the originals, but not horribly so. The most worrisome thing is that the flex-circuit is a lot smaller, and I wonder if there's a risk that the exposed areas of the battery's foil casing will short something out.

Ran

01-04-2005 17:52:10

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) m_bed
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Arrgh: this Audipoint gadget at Halted:

http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17366&czuid=1104988831218

looks like it might be just what I'm trying to build. And for only $40.

Anybody got one? If so, what's under the hood?

Ran

01-05-2005 23:37:56

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 1 times) zonyl
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I put familiar distro on mine and it is kinda useless on the 3600 series because it is out of flash space. What I did manage to do was customize the familiar image to start esd with a -port option and now I simply redirect xmms and mplayer on my host machine to the ipaq's ip address. Music sounds great!

I wish I could put dillo on it so I can make use of the screen remotely as well. Messing around with getting XDMCP working on it.

01-06-2005 06:07:21

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) m_bed
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kinda useless on the 3600 series because it is out of flash space

Did you check to see whether yours has 32M of flash?

If not, it might be easier to start with the "bootstrap" image, and add console apps, than to try to pare down the gui image. Which uses gobs of RAM, as well as flash.

You might also want to look at QNX: the "free for non-commercial use" version has been ported to the iPaq. I put it on one of mine to see what it looks like. When I brought it up in GUI mode, it was only using about 11M or RAM (as opposed to 28M for GPE). App availability is poor compared to Linux, but porting of console apps is supposed to be pretty easy.

Ran

01-08-2005 12:38:15

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 0 times) m_bed
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Well, esd turned out to be easier than expected to install, but getting it right wasn't as straightforward.

One would think that using "-port" implies "-tcp" when running esd on the iPaq, but one would be wrong. Worse, one gets fooled because there's no error message when the client app fails to connect: it just directs output to the client's sound system, instead. I thought maybe I'd found a bug.

Once I'd sorted that out, I found the sound quality mediocre on my my little portable speakers, but decided to try hooking the iPaq up to the stereo, anyway.

The results were just awful: I'd switched to a WiFi card, and the music was horribly broken up because there wasn't enough bandwidth to keep up with the 160K bytes/sec XMMS was sending down the non-wire.

Works great via Ethernet, though. Close enough to "CD quality" for my middle-aged ears.

But the WiFi results are a little disheartening, because the iPaq was less than 10 feet from the router, with no intervening walls. I may have to rethink this project, and fall back to old-fashioned analog RF.

Here are a couple of links that turned up while looking into XDMCP:

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6713

You might also want to check out fbVNC: there's an iPaq port on Sourceforge.

Ran

01-15-2005 23:06:31

New MessageRE:WML11B - Linksys Wireless Media Link for Music (modified 1 times) zonyl
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I got less than stellar results from Xmms as well.. I am using mplayer now with the -ao esd:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and it sounds great. (Im using a MA701 wifi without WEP/WPA) I can browse via vncviewer and hear mp3's just fine with that card and my WRT54g router.

As for vnc, I took the gpe image, dumped the gdm, and started xvncviewer to a custom 240x320 Xvnc on my host. Further, I have the Xvnc host just load dillo fullscreen to a custom web page on my server that allows for querying www.misterhouse.net software (weather, light control, music, comics, tv guide, etc).

This was probably one of the best investments I have made and will probably be picking up a few more ipaq's and possibly mounting them into the walls of some of my rooms.

01-16-2005 09:41:31

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