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New MessageCVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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Got one of those camcorders for $20 at local CVS store with coupon. The business model is similar to the camera, that is, you pay $20, use it, and when full (20 minutes of video with voice), turn it to the store and they will make a DVD for you for about $12.

So my question to all of you is.... how can I do the download and erase myself, so that I can reuse it?

02-14-2005 13:15:36

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sailpix
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sevenephors,

The one-time use camcorders are brand new to the market. There are a couple posts in the Questions thread (around 2/4 timeframe) about them, but all else is unknown here.

They are available here in Atlanta, GA so I went by CVS and took a peek. Nothing visible on the packaging or camera stickers about the technology inside. I've got enough projects on my plate right now - like decoding the SMaL compression used in the still cameras - so I'm not gonna dive into these new toys.

Basically - it's fresh, fertile, unplowed hacking territory.
I suppose the first clues will come when someone cracks one open and posts information about the chips inside. Then there are the same USB analysis techniques that have been applied to the still cameras - just start hacking.

The only known connections to the still cameras is that they have Pure Digital on the sticker and they seem to use the same non-standard USB connection (and probably the same "developing" box - though probably different software).

Good luck!


- sailpix _/)
02-14-2005 13:58:09

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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Well, I will be more than willing to sacrifice my $20 camcorder if you fellow can mentor me thru the process. I do have a camera that I can use to take pictures as I disassemble it.

One thing that worries me is that you can't delete video after it is on the camcorder for, says, 20 minutes... can be a problem to find out how to erase it when the memory is full.

02-14-2005 14:06:30

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sailpix
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Hmmm... I'll tell you the basics that I know, but some of this is a "voyage
of discovery" that you'll have to figure out yourself.

Of course the first thing to do is a "mindset check". When you're taking something
apart you stand a chance of destroying it. If you can't handle that outcome then
run away now. Of course this can be a dynamic decision which can be continually
re-evaluated as you carefully disconnect or brutally pry the pieces of the subject
apart.

I would guess that taking one of these camcorders apart is slightly safer than
dissecting the still cameras. That's because the camcorder doesn't have a flash
and the associated flash capacitor (which can shock). Still, be careful
and generally try not to touch anything metal that you don't have to.

My innate curiosity has led me to disassemble stuff ever since I was a kid, so I
have tons of practice - and a bit of practice putting stuff back together. But, off
the top of my head, here are a few guidelines:
- Establish a work area. For me this means room to spread out the parts, good
light, something to protect the furniture I'm using as a work area. If it looks
like I'll be messing with small parts I try to figure out somewhere that those
things can be placed so they don't wander away - trying to find a small spring
in shag carpet sucks...

- Try to think about how it was put together - that had to happen somehow. Sometimes
that gives me a clue about how to take it apart.

- Don't touch anything unless you have to. Capacitors can shock - learn what they look
like and avoid them unless they are discharged first. Integrated circuit chips can
be fryed by static electricity - discharge yourself first by touching a ground source
if you *have* to touch the circuitry. The rest of it just looks nicer if you don't
leave big fingerprints. Corrollary: Don't eat while you disassemble...

- Go slow and careful. Pry gently before prying hard. Pry before pulling.
Small hammer before sledge hammer.

- As you remove bits, arrange them in some order that you'll remember so that
can put them back on in that order. Sometimes it doesn't matter - sometimes it
does. If you can't remember, write stuff down. (or take pictures!)

- Photograph stuff on a light-colored solid background so that it's easy to see.

The Wolf/Ritz camera was held together by three screws on the back under the stickers.
After considering it a bit I decided that the nicest approach would be to use an
Exacto knife to cut away the sticker above each screw.

For now my initial approach would be to take it apart, take pictures of everything
and to write up what each of the integrated circuit chips appears to be. If the
IC identification numbers aren't clearly visible in photographs then write them down
for us.

The next step would be to look up the component circuits on the 'net and see if the
manufacturers provide any technical data. If they've used publicly available and
publicly documented components then we'll know more about it from the start. If not,
then careful software hacking over the USB port (which I don't really know much about)
may be the only option.

Good luck!


- sailpix _/)
02-14-2005 15:29:30

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) brite_eye
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Even before taking it apart please post some pictures - closeups of lens and download connection. Also try to hold several buttons during power up (Vulcan nerve pinch) to obtain hardware and software info on LCD. I do not believe there are any SMaL video drivers so hacking may be several months even if we can get around an enhanced challenge response over USB. Is there an option to also take pictures?

Note codeknowbi posted some info over a week ago in questions thread (he indicated he was going to take it apart): "USBSniff shows ID as Vid 04C5 2003 rev_0100". I wonder if the 100 is related to SMaLs ACM100 released recently for autovision (specs indicate 640x480 at 60fps).

02-14-2005 19:42:58

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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Don't know if the following link works, but here is a coupon in a local newspaper that I used:
http://epaper.ocregister.com/Default/Scripting/ArchiveView.asp?skin=OCW&AppName=1&GZ=T&CurrentPage=37&BaseHref=OCWIrvineWorldNews%2F2005%2F02%2F03&PageSize=3&PageLabel=22%2F65

It has a pic of the camcorder.

I am going to take it apart and post pics, but probably won't have time in next few days, maybe during weekend. I doubt that it is 60 Hz, but that would be nice.

02-15-2005 08:55:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) morcheeba
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That link required a username/password, but slashdot/slashdot worked. Here's the interesting text:

Record as many segments as you want, up to 20 minutes worth of video and sound. Don't like a segment? The Playback and Delete feature lets you delete unwanted scenes and then record new ones. When you're ready, simply return the camcorder to CVS and get you video memories on DVD that same day*!

*Additional charge

The picture shows it has a color screen and four buttons - record, playback, delete, power. I wonder if you can only playback the most recent scene, like with the PV2. Looks like it could be fun! Too bad I live in a state with no CVS stores.

02-15-2005 11:59:32

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) mattguyver
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I created a login for y'all to use to see the ad.
User Id: bbspass
Password: bbspass

Enjoy! :)

02-15-2005 22:37:58

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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Alright, I took it apart, and snaped some pics, but how can I upload the pics if I don't want to link it to my homepage?

There are two AA batteries. They are Energizer Lithium, not the cheapy type.

Anyway, peel off the top sticker, and you can see a ten-contacts interface. This is where they plug the camcorder to the computer to download the images.

Peel off the back sticker (the one around the LCD). This reveals four screws that you need to remove to take the cover off. You will see a little piezo speaker attached to the inside of back cover.

There are two or three screws below the LCD that you need to remove after you take the back cover off. Two screws above the LCD can be left alone.

Disconnect the ribbon and the power connector to remove one of the two PC boards.

Remove one screw on the bottom PC board. Two screw near the CCD should be left alone, since they hold the lense in place. If you remove the lense, it will prone to dust/fingerprint, and you may need to adjust the focus...

02-17-2005 09:12:52

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Photos can be uploaded to Yahoo photos then enable public access...

Not the best but it works in a pinch...

02-17-2005 10:01:53

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) codeknowbi
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Just a real quick (and dirty) note on what I have found:

built around Fujitsu Millennia-3MM (MB91382 to be exact) translated page link
has 256MB flash storage
- an 8 and 16MB RAM chips
- a 2MB chip for firmware

can record multiple clips and playback and delete the last one. (I have recorded 2 clips and was able to delete / play them all)

has encouraging test points labeled BGA, TV, and GND (haven't messed to see if they are in or out)

unbelievable low light performance (SP?) for what appears to be a 1/5th inch CMOS (Add IR light source for poor man's night vision?)

I have an ExVeiw Sec Cam and a usb2.0 mpg capture, should I try to put together a clip of it in action? some one would need to host the file for me. what rez and bit rate would be good?

I will be happy to answer questions as time allows I have an 8 yr old with an IQ of 216 and an 5 yr old autistic (my sons) that I home school, needless to say my attention is always divided)

02-17-2005 15:48:46

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) brite_eye
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Hopefully someone will volunteer to post on their web page.
02-17-2005 16:22:57

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Bloke
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This is exiting!

The NYC area CVS stores don't seem to know about them yet.
are they just available in Ca. ?

02-18-2005 08:07:51

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sailpix
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Um... goodbye!

They are available in Atlanta, GA CVS stores also. Someone posted a list of markets in the first emails on the "Questions..." thread - seems to be limited for now.


I couldn't find any technical information posted on the 'net for Fujitsu's new Millenia-3MM video processor. From the translated press release it looks to be brand spankin' new - first production chips were available Feb. 1, 2005. The (beta) Korean and Japanese translations of the press release are "interesting" - Korean translation has the most funnies.

An economic model consideration. Fujitsu posts the price as 5000 Japanese Yen for the Millenia-3MM chip - that's around $47 at today's exchange rate (http://www.xe.com). So... they are selling it for $30 and charge $12 for processing to DVD - total of $42 in revenues, some of which must get shared with the retailer. They are definitely relying on being able to re-use the hardware, otherwise they lose money. Perhaps we should wait until they build up a market before hacking these things into reusables - that way they won't get yanked off the market real quick.

Even without indepth technical data, it appears that this single chip is a CPU combined with image sensor interface, SD card interface, USB support and MPEG-4 processing. Sounds like this one chip is almost the whole thing! That could make it either easier or harder to hack.


- sailpix _/)
02-18-2005 08:40:08

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) morcheeba
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wow! The chip there is the fanciest one & has a SD card slot! I wonder if that's just the first version out of production and that's why its being used .. maybe later ones will use a less-capable chip. I couldn't quite figure out the 5000¥ price - is that for samples (i.e. qty 1), or production (lots)? That core didn't provide many hits on google but this looks interesting!
02-18-2005 10:25:48

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 1 times) sevenephors
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If anyone promise to put the pics up on a home page, I can email the files to the interested party... any volunteer?
(Sorry, don't want to mess with Yahoo photo)

Oh, it does have nice low-light performance, as mentioned above.

So anyone know who to get the USB interface to work? I think only 7 out of the ten pins are functional.

02-18-2005 11:16:41

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) dcarr
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Hit me at junk@dcarr.org and I'll post the pictures. I can't afford the bandwidth for video.
-DC
02-18-2005 11:40:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sailpix
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Morcheeba,

I looked for info on the CPU core too... not much out there. What you found seems to be
the closest match to the specs they list.

I wonder if they haven't used the SD card support to interface to the internal FLASH
memory? That would eliminate any hacking to add an extra SD card interface but would
make a bunch of sense for their design.

It's pretty clear why they picked one of the higher (i.e. -3MM) chips: they have the
built-in MPEG-4 processor. But we'll have to see what they used the SD interface for
since that's the only difference between the two -3MM chips.


- sailpix _/)
02-18-2005 15:09:36

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) morcheeba
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I'd be happy to post the pictures, too, but I probably won't try hacking the camera for a while (I've got two other fun projects to play with -- all development, no disassembly). My contact info is at the bottom of this page
02-18-2005 20:47:21

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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I send two emails to junk@dcarr.org with the pics. Thanx for posting the pics for me, dcarr!
02-21-2005 10:02:31

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) dcarr
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The pics have been posted at:
http://oscar.dcarr.org/dd/
02-21-2005 13:41:20

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) daBass
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Found the instruction manuals for the FR series 32 bit RISC processors:

http://www.fme.gsdc.de/products/instruct.htm

02-23-2005 09:32:31

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 2 times) Shatner
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This unit will be $24.99 tomorrow (if you have a CVS Card). Clearly we're not anywhere near a hack for it, so I was wondering to those of you that already own it. Is it worth the price to just use it as a "Video Notepad?" Like a portable audio recorder, but with video? Since you can open it and replace the batteries, it would seem useful as a way of keeping track of things that you don't need to save permanently to computer.

Also, would they go so far as to track you if you pay with a credit card? You know, like 6 months later charging your CC more money because you never returned it? I know that's a silly question, but you never know these days. Is there any kind of "terms of service" in the packaging? Or is this something you can just walk in and buy without any hassle and then never take it back?

Comments appreciated!

02-26-2005 14:21:05

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Shatner
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Also, I've been looking around for this "Questions" thread where there are apparently more comments on this camera, but I can't find it! I even searched ALL threads for "CVS" but it didn't bring up any thread with "Questions" in the title.

Can someone point me to it?

Thanks again.

02-26-2005 14:41:45

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) daBass
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@Shatner:
> Also, would they go so far as to track you if you pay with a credit card?
> You know, like 6 months later charging your CC more money because you never returned it?
> I know that's a silly question, but you never know these days.
> Is there any kind of "terms of service" in the packaging?
> Or is this something you can just walk in and buy without any hassle and then never take it back?

I would say you're in the clear, but if you really want to play it safe, pay in cash, but make sure you don't pay
with any RFID equipped bills .

02-26-2005 17:47:49

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) brite_eye
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daBass, thanks for sharing RFID - I initially thought you may be joking (but that's not your style). Did a google and am now wondering whether $20 bills with RFID will explode in a microwave. The thing that scares me the most after working for very large corporations is the number of systems that are no longer fully understood by a single Human, yet can influence economic, political, judicial ... events.

Shatner, hope your not looking at cheap cameras because Vulcan took over your last job. If you go to the top of this thread and click on cameras then select sort in descending order by last modified "Questions - 1 2 many 4 all" should be in the top 15. It may gradually work its way further down as there are over 200 posts in that thread with some on camcorder near the end.

02-26-2005 22:16:43

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) xEggbert
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Hi,

I have been playing around with this camcorder for a few weeks and I have got it set up on USB where windows recognizes it as a USB device. When the camera is connected, the LCD screen goes blank and when it is disconnected from USB the LCD screen turns back on and the camera is back in the state it was previously without having to "reboot" through the Pure Digital and CVS screens. However, it does not know what driver to use to communicate with the camera. I have tried finding a driver for the MB91382 chip but there is very little information that I can find about the chip. Anyway the way I hooked the USB wires to the camcorder is the same way that people have connected their Dakota digital disposable still cameras to USB. More information about the USB connection can be found here http://cexx.org/dakota/

xEggbert

02-26-2005 23:47:35

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Shatner
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I decided to pick up one of these cameras. Well, my "video notepad" idea has one problem. The unit will only let you playback the most recently recorded segment. I was hoping that it would play them all back so I could pick and choose what to delete.

So, unless someone hacks it, it looks like I can only save one "note" at a time.

Cool camera though!

02-28-2005 18:57:20

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Shatner
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Doh! I get it now. You can only delete the last clip. But if you delete the last clip, then you can delete the one before it.

Video Notepad...you're mine! :)

P.S. Lame that you can't modify posts on here after a certain time-limit. :(

02-28-2005 19:24:41

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Tiporari
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Does anyone know of any CVS Stores in the metro Atlanta Area which carry the digital camcorder?
The one by my house (just opened) only has the digital still cameras.
03-01-2005 09:10:25

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sevenephors
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>..Doh! I get it now. You can only delete the last clip. But if you delete the last clip, then you can delete the one before it.


>>...One thing that worries me is that you can't delete video after it is on the camcorder for, says, 20 minutes... can be a problem to find out how to erase it when the memory is full.

I have not use mine, so I am not 100% sure, but that's what the CVS store manager told me.

xEggbert, thanx for the USB cable link.

03-01-2005 10:49:48

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) sailpix
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Tiporari,

I saw one in the CVS on S. Cobb Drive at the corner of Cooper Lake Rd. - that's about 1.5 - 2.0 miles outside the perimeter towards Smyrna.


- sailpix _/)
03-01-2005 12:41:44

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) mike
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CVS in Mcdonough, Ga. [cedar street& hwy 81] has them......
03-01-2005 18:28:14

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Baranski
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I found them at both CVS's in East Point - Washington Rd & Cleveland Ave.

Thanx for the USB info, xEggbert. I'll be tinkering with that this weekend.

03-01-2005 22:31:35

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) binaryweaver
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I spoke with the manager at a CVS in Schenectady, NY and he told me that the one-time-use camcorders will be ariving in my area sometime this coming May. I forgot to ask if they would be available nationally or not at that time. It's looking good. Perhaps the test market is responding well to the product?
03-03-2005 21:42:50

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Tiporari
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Hi all,

I just found them at the local CVS; apparently they hadn't received their full stock when I last checked.

Image quality is awesome, and the audio sensitivity seems pretty good, although quiet with the micro sized internal speaker. I had to modify the case slightly (connector is smaller than the still camera) but a carpet knife and a little patience... viola "USB Device" unable to find a driver.

The libusb driver I used to connect to the still camera didn't cut it either.

Correct me if I'm overdemonstrating my ignorance, but...
If this camera has an SD interface built into it, is it reasonable to assume that a driver could be loaded which would enable you to access the data stored in memory much like a thumb drive or higher end still camera? It seems to me this would be the only practical way for them to engineer it given the large amount of data they have to deal with.

If anyone wants me to try something now that I have one, I'd love to contribute labor, eyes, and hands(if nothing else for now).

03-03-2005 22:14:39

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Drmn4ea
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Just driving around today... the Medford, MA CVS and the one at Porter Sq. do NOT have 'em.
03-05-2005 22:22:30

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 3 times) sailpix
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Uh... nevermind. Wrong thread.
- sailpix _/)
03-14-2005 15:35:06

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) chrisfly
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live in NY, 2 of the 3 cvs's near me didnt have them... i didnt get to check the 3rd...

how cool would it be if this worked? pocket cam for your college classes and stuff? :-p

04-11-2005 11:33:02

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) kfm03
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News for WNY and I'm assuming the rest of NY as well: I work at cvs and tonight me and a co-worker were playing around with the cameras. Regular price will be 29.99 and developing to a DVD will be 15. The release is set for early to mid may and will be on sale when they first come out (they usually do release sales to get people interested). If I get any more information, I'll post it, but otherwise not much that you already didnt know, except they arent available in most states, just GA and CA from what my manager knew.
04-26-2005 19:29:28

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) jcalis
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The Somerset Mass. CVS store has one. Hopefully more will show up soon. Any other info on unlocking these camcorders yet?
06-04-2005 20:41:29

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) camcorder
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Anyone has a sample video?
06-05-2005 17:02:07

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) bhtooefr
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http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Flash/NAND/2Gbit/K9F2G08U0M/K9F2G08U0M.htm
Samsung 256MB Flash - THIS is what we're interested in... What's the protocol, though?
06-07-2005 18:20:59

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Sunkenloot
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So, Looks like a driver is what I will need? Dont mean to say that lightly. I picked up a camera today and just found this site. I will be running this down on the Mac OSX side. Ill cobble up the parts for the cable, give it a go and leT ya'll know how far I get. If this works it will be too cool. Imagine the influx of videos we see if these suckers catch on.
06-07-2005 18:31:03

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) thegoldenboy
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I think we need kfm03 or anyone else working at a CVS to checkout how these are processed
06-08-2005 02:48:04

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Doobiewon
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I think this might shed some light on the process

http://vickers.homedns.org/PV2mods.htm

06-08-2005 04:59:16

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) exitFrame
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Hey, I'll host some video and pictures if anyone is still interested. Got plenty of bandwidth to play around with. Just e-mail me at Linx@exitFrame.org if anyone is interested.

Linx .:. www.exitFrame.org

06-08-2005 07:29:20

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Crunk
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I can host pictures and videos as well. Maybe as a mirror or whatever.
06-08-2005 10:01:20

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) SamHall
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It looks like there's already some info on the chipsets and disassembly photos over at http://camerahacks.10.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=13

I bet this one is going to be a tough crack though. Surely Pure Digital has learned it's lesson with the Dakota and the newer "one time use" cameras! Then again, some people never learn!

06-08-2005 10:39:45

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) HolyDuck
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The sell them in the CVS on Maple Street in Carrollton Georgia. I'm thinking of picking one up later today and poke around inside.
[img]http://duckclan.invisionzone.com/uploads/1110745137/gallery_21_14_46645.jpg[/img]
06-08-2005 11:22:52

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) ccrook
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Got one from a CVS outside Yardley, PA for ~30bucks

firmware 3.4

06-08-2005 15:18:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) ccrook
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Wired up a usb connector and getting windows to recognize it as "Saturn"...time to play around
06-08-2005 17:03:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) SillihKram
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Flyer with out user/pass

http://epaper.ocregister.com//Repository/getimage.dll?path=OCWIrvineWorldNews/2005/02/03/22/Img/Pg022.png

just have to search the source a little bit but you always find what your lookin for

--Sillihkram

06-08-2005 19:38:58

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) forkeh
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I have a problem with this. I am a current employee at a CVS and I am that guy that sells the camcorders to the people that don't really need them. I am very good at this. The way the camera's are loaded onto a dvd is very complicated. We use a holder that holds the camera's and reads teh digital memory. It is specially made from pure digital. So if you do find a way to reuse it, it would have to be a hardware hack or spend a lot of time and/or money trying to get one of those machines/parts/holder things and get the software to burn it.

otherwise, your out of luck.

06-08-2005 21:28:24

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) thegoldenboy
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Thank you forkeh for your technical incite, I am no longer going to try to reuse this camcorder knowing that they use a “holder” that is specially made from pure digital. I now feel its going to be too hard or expensive. Thanks for changing my and I’m sure everyone else’s mind. Keep up the good sales.
06-09-2005 01:08:16

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Doobiewon
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let me send a little ECHO back about that hack that the CVS employee is speaking of:

"SMaL’s kit met all the image capture requirements of the Pure Digital Imaging Platform: high integration, cost-effectiveness for manufacturing, and consistent ability to capture and store high quality images. In addition, the digital images are stored in the camera before processing in an encrypted, uncompressed file format that can only be processed by the Pure Digital Server. This proprietary format allows Pure Digital’s retail customers to produce images of a superior quality over those captured by standard digital cameras using JPEG compression."

Now I've seen this on other sites as well. But this information is for their previous camera. It stands that a similar method is still in use with this camcorder.

Also found:
The camcorder is manufactured in China and the memory chip is supplied by Samsung Electronics, the world's largest memory chipmaker.

06-09-2005 01:09:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Doobiewon
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In addition

Pure Digital's cameras are produced in China. After the consumer uses them, they are shipped by the retailer to a recycling facility in Chicago, where they're refurbished and repackaged. Kaplan won't say how many times the cameras are recycled, but the industry average is five to eight times.

06-09-2005 01:13:37

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) paperw8t
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Can someone please link some pictures of where the solder points for the USB wires go?

From what i've read, it sounds like people already have figured it out.

Just need to get started on the drivers.

Thx
Paperw8t

06-09-2005 08:08:35

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) DocHW
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Here is the pinout for the CVS one time use camcorder. Pin 1 starts at the end where J5 is printed on the PCB.

1 no connection
2 ground
3 no connection
4 Battery + (probably used to verify the battery level when recycling)
5 no connection
6 USB +5V
7 ground
8 USB Data +
9 USB Data -
10 ground

Pins 6 - 9 is the only pins needed to connect to a USB port.

06-09-2005 12:23:27

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) naevity
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For the USB Pinout, check out this page: http://www.maushammer.com/systems/dakotadigital/usb-cable.html

I just made a cable out of an old palm III cradle following the instructions, its for the digital camera, but the camcorder has the same pinout.

Only took me 15 minutes to do. (i didnt bother desodering the old wires, i just snipped them and connected them to the USB wires.

06-09-2005 12:48:11

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) paperw8t
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Thanks for the pinout

Paperw8t

06-09-2005 16:22:23

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) forkeh
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I work tomorrow, ill take some pictures of our machine and how it works. I'll post them here to clarify things and how hard it will actually be.
06-09-2005 20:14:09

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) jsheinz1234
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I heard about this camera on DIGG.com and also on the news. Went and purchased one today ($29.95 in San DImas, CA). I figured until someone finds a way to download the videos I was going to use it to send videos to my parents in Florida.

I recorded a few little moments, and then figured I would see if it stops exactly at 20 mins. It does...But then I turned it off and set it aside for a few minutes. My sister came over to visit and I was going to show her the clips. It wouldn't playback any video. It wouldn't delete the last video (I had 5 videos saved).

I took it back to the store and the manager replaced it with a new one...I couldn't get the firmware info to come up, so no way to tell if that may have been the issue.

Still...pretty cool machine. I hope someone can figure out how to get it to offload the videos.

06-11-2005 23:04:22

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) harrypotterbutnot
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Does anyone know what resolution the camera has? I dont have easy access to a CVS and cant check the packaging =+(
I would hope that CVS isnt jerking people around and is using a decent (+2Mp) resolution.
06-12-2005 14:22:32

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 1 times) afineman
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Hey all

I the new guy, I found out about this cam yesterday, I dashed to my local CVS and picked one up.

I fly remote controlled aircraft, I also take aerial photographs for money to offset a sometimes expensive hobby :-}

My interest in this cam is from the hobby side and not from the business side.

I have veraciously been reading everything I can on this cam, and I see lots of interest in it.

Now I will get to my question.

Hacking the cam may take a while (or it may not), assuring this, has anyone thought of a 2 prong approach to making this cam reusable. Example, has anyone gone in with a scope to see if on playback, composite video is available any where. I believe these are not ASIC chips, so I would assume composite video is available some where on this board. this would allow the installation of a RCA jack to get the video out. this would allow the masses to use the cam while awaiting the software hack.


I ask for selfish reasons, with out the case, batteries, LCD, and using the USB port to input the power this weighs in at about 2 oz, for me to have a 2 meg pixel video cam on my plane and only add 2 OZ WOW I have wood.

If no one has done this yet, I will, I just don't want to spend the time if someone else has the answer.

Thanks ALL

Me

06-12-2005 19:03:35

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) will0723
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I picked mine up in San Dimas, Ca also but you do know that you can just register for an extrasaver card or something and get it for 5$ off right.....???? You can also print out that flyer online for an aditional $5 off.... It should only cost $20.00.......
06-12-2005 22:40:38

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) mrgator
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FYI people
if this camera is as sensitive as people seem to think it is, it could have a significant impact on one aspect of amateur astronomy.

there is still need to measure timing's and light curves for occultations both lunar graze and asteroidal. Asteroid occupation timing helps determine orbital parameters of the asteroid and as a side effect determine the outline of the asteroid's shape and whether or not there are any bodies orbiting the asteroid.

In order to do this, you need two things. The sensitivity and the ability to correlate the video captured to a common time base. Typically the way people do this is by recording wwv on the audio track and doing some form of synchronization with video playback. I'm really not sure how this part works.

Once you have a good cheap video recorder with a consistent frame rate and audio synchronized with frames, data gathering becomes much easier. If the video recorder head (i.e. CCD) is very lightweight, it becomes significantly easier to put together field equipment. if the video equipment is cheap, more people can participate and increase the chances of gathering data. Granted telescopes are expensive but when you put together a low light CCD camera with some form of recording device, you almost double the cost of field equipment.

so, I will be watching. This looks very exciting.

---eric

06-13-2005 07:04:52

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) ttmm
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Hey guys, just thought I'd let you know, this camera is definetly not 2 Megapixels. Being a filmmaker, I know that the most top of the line High Def Video cameras around ($50,000) only have a resolution of around 2,000 by 1,500 (can't remember the exact numbers). This camera, like the other tiny flash based video cameras records at 320x240, or possibly (and quite unlikely) 640x480. The resolution can't possibly be higher than that, because even at DV resolution and image quality, it's 25 MB/s.

Good luck with hacking this. I'm quite interested in it for mounting to skateboards and other places where my big DV Cinema rig wouldn't be safe.

06-14-2005 10:53:51

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) onmitsu
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I live in good old Salt Lake City and these cool toys never make it to a market anywhere close to me. I would be willing to make a paypal "donation" in the amount of camera cost + shipping to any good samaritans that would be willing to help me out. If you would like to help me out contact me at salsa117 at hotmail dot com I am looking for a cheap/disposable video camera that I could mount on my downhill bike. Since I still have frequent crashes and my insurance company is starting to wonder about my mental well being, I will also post any video on my site (http://www.onmitsu.com) for those that want to check out the resolution.
06-14-2005 13:48:58

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) edraven
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There are no CVS stores in the SF bay area, is there anywhere else you can get these?
06-14-2005 14:24:39

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) chrisfly
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hey this guy uploaded a 22 second video taken from the dvd he got back from cvs....

http://rift.org/1128/2005/03/cvs-camcorder/

yea if anyone needs a camera mailed to them(unopened), email me at Chrisfly@gmail.com

might be able to help

06-15-2005 10:26:22

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) cakestick
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Eek.. the wmv video he found on the DVD doesn't look too perty... maybe it's just because of all the white in the video? I hope so - As for the DVD, I don't think I'll be turning this thing in for processing - I don't trust that CVS won't cancel this program if the large portion of introductory release camcorders aren't being returned (thanks to us).

In the meantime, great work has been happening here. I'd like to be able to snoop around in the camera, but I'm an infant when it comes to hardware hacking - I'll see if I can deal with any of the tutorials for USB sniffing, etc. and we'll see what happens.

Cheers,
-Chris

06-15-2005 11:12:11

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) seevs
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Acton Mass, CVS in the shopping center where 111 meets 2, near 27, has 'em.

One hacking option would be to unsolder the flash chip...

Doesn't any USB device give out identification information,
manufacturer name, etc? Does it make sense to try to force
one's OS or driver to assume it's a USB storage device?

--SeeVS

06-15-2005 14:29:05

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) syukton
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In calling the camera "2 megapixel" they may be counting the red, green, and blue pixels individually. In other words, the "true megapixels" may be 1/3 of the disclosed megapixels.
06-15-2005 17:13:13

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) SamHall
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Seems to be a lot of hacking information on this cam at other sites. At http://www.hackaday.com vince claims to have a working hack 90% worked out, and will announce next tuesday.

Already mentioned this site, but http://www.camerahacking.com has identified 2 different chipsets and 2 different nerve pinches on these cams.

06-15-2005 20:58:10

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) dyfrgi
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Ah, but the next day at hackaday, he said:
"""
The CVS camcorder. I’ve got it rigged up USB and plugged into my Mac/Linux/whatever. It is not recognized which sucks. But, by holding down the record and delete keys while booting up, you get a system info menu. This reveals only a little (but some) information about the camcorder. It’s probably helpful to some people. Thursday at the meeting we’ll discuss how to get it rigged up with proper device drivers, etc. I’ve been talking with some people about getting DD out there because they’re needed. This isn’t as easy as all of us thought it would be!
"""
Not exactly what I'd call 90% done.
06-16-2005 09:08:54

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Pebnice
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I have been checking the board everyday and looking forward to the hacks of these. I also saw the post on another board about the 2 different firmware information found. The area phaze for upgrades of software for these cameras are now complete (or where suppose to be). So maybe the cams will be availabe on a wide scale now ....I live in Michigan.

If there is anyone who can't get one of these video cameras and wants one...I have two cameras and will let one go for the regular price $29.99 plus shipping (I have have one blue still cam). I am ofcourse keeping mine to mess with the hardware hack once one becomes available. Contact pebnice@yahoo.com


Pebnice
06-16-2005 11:43:01

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) MrMeebles
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Just a quick thought, it's been suggested that the on board flash memory still uses a smart media interface. If someone's feeling very adventurous wouldn't it be possible to wire the chips (with some very careful sodering) to a card reader to read off the contents? I live several hundred miles from the nearest CVS store or I'd probably try it.
06-16-2005 15:44:26

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) agentofboom
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Just a thought/question- Has anyone considered or tested for maybe a need to jumper pins together on the connector itself? Maybe just like the old motorola phones it got you into a programming mode? I would try it but I dont want to apply voltage to something that doesnt want to see it and zap this thing.
The only documentation Ive found about the pins themselves is sketchy, but nothing about their usefulness beyond the USB connector. Anyone?

Somebody just needs to either:
a)get a job at CVS and get close enough to the interface/DVD burner to get more details or
b)bribe an employee of CVS or pure digital

Maybe we could start selling the hacked dakotas as a group to raise bribe $. HA!

Is there a central site for all of this info? I know i have about 10 spots i search for progress...

06-16-2005 18:37:08

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) zeropanic
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Does anyone happen to have a better hires photo of that coupon? My CVS won't take it. :\
06-20-2005 20:07:59

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) hevnsnt
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If your CVS wont take it you have a few options:

1) Try a different CVS
2) Wait until Sunday when the ad comes out. This is where that coupon came from. I went to 2 CVSs and both of them asked me where I got that coupon for, since it shouldnt come out till next weekend (6/26/05)
3) Just make up some sob story how you need it for vacation or something, and you cant wait until sunday..

06-21-2005 08:40:13

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Bloke
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I have successfully used the "coupon" in 2 Brooklyn NY CVS stores, each time acting VERY sincere, telling manager
a story about how the Californians have had this cam for months, and how my nerd pals have all gotten them, and isn't it a disgrace that the ACTUAL CVS website knows SQUAT about them!!

BTW, I hope you have all read the "PC" mag and other reviews, there is some question as to what the REAL resolution of this cam IS!!!
Can any of you verify a resolution,or, given known data (storage capy, time to run, bitrate of mpeg4) can VGA be possible????
(I feel it is a useful toy even if it's only QVGA)

Best to All,
bloke

06-22-2005 19:17:41

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Ydef
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Quick question. Does this cvs camcorder also take digital stills as well as running video footage?

I'm in seattle where there isn't a cvs within at least 200 miles from here. Anyone have any extras to sell?

06-25-2005 00:24:54

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) traxxton
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Found this on slashdot.org

Hardware: CVS Disposable Camcorder Hacked
Posted by timothy on Saturday June 25, @03:02PM
from the dept.
ptorrone writes "We've been watching this on MAKE closely- and the king of the one-time digital camera hacks/analysis finally got his hands on a CVS Camcorder on Friday, the 24th via someone shipping him one FedEx. Within 18 hours, he had slurped the flash memory and has the unencrypted, XVID codec, 320x240, 30fps movies stored in the camera on his computer."

http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/06/25/1758235.shtml?tid=222&tid=137


Other link (not working?) http://www.maushammer.com/systems/cvscamcorder/flash.html

06-25-2005 18:22:44

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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SO we have video off the flash chip...That's a start.

Who's gonna try to pull it via a palm/usb cable?

06-29-2005 00:04:54

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) allen455
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Ok! I am lokeing the idea of hacking this thing! But I would like someone to email me the whole prosses laid out. Does anybody know how to program codes. There must be some way to write a driver for it. You guys have been so helpful!!!
07-02-2005 22:47:20

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) iSportsLinks
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The new CVS coupon book came out today and they are selling the Camcorder for $24.99 with their card. I'll get one tomorrow at lunch and see how many they have. I'd be willing to pick some up for those that need one.

Scott

07-07-2005 21:21:35

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) paperw8t
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Well, i got my USB cable installed finally after finding a Camcorder in the Fayetteville, NC CVS.

Does anyone else's camcorder turn on when they plug it into the USB port?

I guess that might be a good sign, the camara doesnt come up with any errors or anything. But my computer didnt even recognize that something was plugged in. Then again its on a USB 1.1 Hub and not directly connected to the USB 2.0 Connecter on the mother board.

Ahh there we go, now i got the Saturn driver look up thing.

Hrmmmm....

Hopefully soon some real drivers will be made, i have no real experience making em, and anyway have no clue where to go from here even if i did, well maybe i would.

But everything seems like it is working well, so i guess my soldering skills are up to par.

Soon oh i hope soon.

07-08-2005 09:23:44

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) paperw8t
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I dont know if this will help:
Using USB View I got this information out of the connection, Though most of it is probably obvious, hopefully it will lend some sort of clue to what is being searched for through the port and what information is being sent over.

Device Descriptor:
bcdUSB: 0x0200
bDeviceClass: 0x00
bDeviceSubClass: 0x00
bDeviceProtocol: 0x00
bMaxPacketSize0: 0x40 (64)
idVendor: 0x167B
idProduct: 0x0101
bcdDevice: 0x0000
iManufacturer: 0x01
0x0409: "Pure Digital Inc."
iProduct: 0x02
0x0409: "Saturn "
iSerialNumber: 0x03
0x0409: "PS0000010"
bNumConfigurations: 0x01

ConnectionStatus: DeviceConnected
Current Config Value: 0x00
Device Bus Speed: Full
Device Address: 0x03
Open Pipes: 0

Configuration Descriptor:
wTotalLength: 0x0027
bNumInterfaces: 0x01
bConfigurationValue: 0x01
iConfiguration: 0x00
bmAttributes: 0x80 (Bus Powered )
MaxPower: 0x30 (96 Ma)

Interface Descriptor:
bInterfaceNumber: 0x00
bAlternateSetting: 0x00
bNumEndpoints: 0x03
bInterfaceClass: 0x00
bInterfaceSubClass: 0x00
bInterfaceProtocol: 0x00
iInterface: 0x00

Endpoint Descriptor:
bEndpointAddress: 0x01
Transfer Type: Bulk
wMaxPacketSize: 0x0040 (64)
bInterval: 0x00

Endpoint Descriptor:
bEndpointAddress: 0x81
Transfer Type: Bulk
wMaxPacketSize: 0x0040 (64)
bInterval: 0x00

Endpoint Descriptor:
bEndpointAddress: 0x83
Transfer Type: Bulk
wMaxPacketSize: 0x0040 (64)
bInterval: 0x00

Aside from that, thats all i got.

07-08-2005 09:29:42

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) tickler999
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I am in Canada and won one of the cvs digital camcorders. I have no clue what to do with it because I can't find any place to take it to to get it "developed" I'd like to know more about possible ways to retrieve the vid out of it but after reading this forum I am still lost, does anybody have pics showing how to make or attach the usb cable to it. I have a lot of old computer bits and pieces lying around I also have a palm pilot cradle for the M130 palm pilot. can I use that cradle without modifying it? I'd prefer to not have to go inside the camera if possible has anybody been able to do that sucessfully?
07-09-2005 21:41:33

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 1 times) kazymyr
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http://www.maushammer.com/systems/cvscamcorder/flash.html
http://camerahacks.10.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=13
http://cexx.org/dakota/ (see "hardware setup" section, it details the cable)
07-12-2005 01:13:02

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) chaostic
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Is it me, or did a new version of the camcorder come out? I went yesterday and it had a new package, and the camera itself had a design on it, like alternating white and clear lines, like you can image from rising sun type images.

http://rift.org/images/200503/cvs-camcorder.jpg

That's an example of what I saw.

09-10-2005 11:36:27

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Yes, that's the much more common "Model 200".

The original "Model 100" described in these forums earlier is a darker grey, has a longer record button, and all buttons protrude from the body a little more. While the Model 100's have yet to be cracked, they seem to have the most potential -- their flash chip can physically store up to 256M (if you can format it correctly), whereas the Model 200s only have a 128M flash.

09-12-2005 16:32:00

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) mtnbike129
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I got a CVS camcorder a couple weeks ago, have managed to download hours and hours of movies with no problem, and was anticipating being able to increase the resolution of the camcorder a bit WITHOUT the compression increasing, but when I try to get onto camerahacking.com to check on that thread, it doesn't work, and i have tried since yesterday on multiple computers. I'm sorry if this is off topic, but this was the only CVS camcorder related forum i could find, does anyone have any idea what's going on with camerahacking.com???
09-13-2005 15:46:48

New MessageRE:CVS one-time use digit camcorder (modified 0 times) hairyjuan
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Hey,

mtnbike129, the forum seems to be down, some kind of problem with the server,www.camerahacking.com is an alternate point of entry if you go to it you'll see the message.

09-14-2005 00:32:35

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