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CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera.
CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera.

New MessageCVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) tooncis
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After it found the new hardware, I point it to the CD....doesn't accept it as a valid driver.
I ran the driver setup on the CD and rebooted...no luck
I added the extra "lines" to the inf file...still no go.

What do I need to do to get it to use the driver off the CD? The Foxz2 drivers give me "blue" pictures.
Thanks

03-28-2005 20:57:05

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) billw
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tooncis, be sure that you're checked out binaryweaver's flatfoto2 specific page here http://nystepmom.blogdns.com/phils/demanufacturing/pv2/driverx/page2.htm
(the above is a direct link to a frame. bw's full site is here http://www.demanufacturing.com/pv2)

It is a Flatfoto _2_ driver CD, right? It would be also helpful to know if you modified the PID in firmware, or did you originally modify the Foxz2 driver's inf file for a 27 PID?

03-29-2005 11:44:56

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) tooncis
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Yes, I altered the inf files from 0025 to 0027 and I also edited the firmware so that it is permanently unlocked.

Yes, the FlatFoto 2mp driver CD from Radio Shack.

I'm not sure how to answer the last question. Is there a link that describes it in more detail?

03-29-2005 20:55:47

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) brite_eye
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Not sure but it seems like I usually go to control panel remove programs and get rid of cheez before installing flatfoto. I have bounced back and forth several times and I always seem to need a monkey wrench but please do not ask me to describe what that is or how I misused it. Sometimes I have just given up and created a new XP instance starting over from scratch.
03-29-2005 21:13:47

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) billw
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I guess I wasn't clear on the last point, tooncis. I wanted to be sure that the firmware mod you applied didn't change the camera's USB Product ID Number (PID) from 27->24, which is a common mod to get the Red cameras to work out-of-the-box with the foxz2 driver.

Just review the firmware change you made. If you see a byte change from 27->24 (hex), then you'll know that your camera now reports itself as PID 24. If so, then you need to change the flatfoto 2 .inf file to use 24, instead of 27 or 25.

03-29-2005 22:13:46

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) tooncis
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billw, ok, so the "44->46" change is to unlock the camera (correct?) and the "27->24" change is actually the Product ID Number. I made the changes from forkboy's page (I actually used one under your name) http://mysite.verizon.net/forkboy/patches.html. I thought both hex changes were to put the camera in permanent unlock mode.
So, all I have to actually do is the "44->46" to unlock it and then I can make the "27" anything I want (or leave it at "27" and then update the inf to reflect it? Why would someone change the PID if they can simply change the inf?

thanks billw!

03-30-2005 07:12:25

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) tooncis
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Getting the windows to accept the "corrected" inf file is still a pain, but I did get it to work. I had to completely delete the old inf files in the C:\windows\inf folder.

One last thing, twain was left out of the FlatFoto driver disk. I've read here about that, but I don't see anyone talk about how to add twain support...like the Foxz2 has.

03-30-2005 07:41:03

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) billw
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> billw, ok, so the "44->46" change is to unlock the camera (correct?)

Actually, the breakdown of the patch is...

01->02 ...unlock camera
27->24 ...make camera PID=24, which is foxz2's PID
44->46 ...just an adjustment to balance the camera's additive-checksum from the previous 2 changes. ((1)+(-3)+(2)=0)

> I made the changes from forkboy's page (I actually used one under your name)

Ah, I'm the culprit then! ;)

> So, all I have to actually do is the "44->46" to unlock it and then I can make
> the "27" anything I want

Be very careful here! You can toast the camera if your firmware changes don't checksum correctly. Heck, I've even toasted a camera when everything did add up correctly.

If you want to make the change in firmware so the camera works out-of-the-box with flatfoto 2, this is what you want to do to the original firmware:

01->02
27->25
44->45

that said, since the camera is unlocked, I'd recommend just leaving it with the PID=24 and modifying the .inf file to match. If you ignore this advice, don't hold me responsible if you get the beeps-of-death.

> (or leave it at "27" and then update the inf to reflect it?

If you want to patch the original firmware with *just* an unlock patch (which would leave the PID=27) see brite_eye's single instruction change. I believe it is also listed on forkboy's page.

> Why would someone change the PID if they can simply change the inf?

I can't speak for the others, but the reason I do it is just for ease of setup on a foreign computer. Also, I'm planning to solder a standard mini-USB device port in a few camera's and gifting them to friends - I'd hate to have to talk them through a .inf file change. Much easier to say "download the foxz2 drivers from here".

> thanks billw!

No problem. Good luck on the flatfoto 2 setup!

03-30-2005 07:46:44

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) brite_eye
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Caution - if tooncis ordered the $2.49 flatfoto and didn't get all the drivers (missing twain) then I wonder if he just got what radioshack posted online - in which case he wasted $2.49 (sorry). Someone posted a picture of the cd that comes with radioshack blue 2mp camera. Also with a reduced price to $49 it is an excellant buy! I am going to try to find one pronto (I took my old one back because flash stopped working after 500 pictures and I was still in 30 day trial/return period).

Yes, If you are planning to give to friends and young children the 27 to 24 change makes sense on a older < 2F camera. However if it is just for yourself I recommend no firmware change but rather follow link to busters process in FAQ thread. Also to minimize changes and potential failure due to bad blocks or buggy error recovery, please consider using morcheeba's pv2mod with my single instruction change which only rewrites one 512 byte block on flash (this is far safer than rewriting the whole firmware or complete 16M upload).

03-30-2005 17:59:06

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) billw
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tooncis, is there anything flatfoto2 related in C:\winnt\twain_32?

I'm sorry if the CD doesn't have the twain drivers - I specifically complained to Radio Shack about the missing twain from their website drivers, and they directed me to the replacement driver CD you ordered. Worst case, I'd say you can probably get a refund by complaining. After all, what good is a replacement CD if you can't get to your pics?

Unfortunately, there's no way to easily hack in twain support to the existing driver you have - all of the RAW->JPEG magic is in the twain driver.

03-30-2005 19:29:56

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) binaryweaver
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I had posted the photo of the CD I acquired directly from Radio Shack at http://www.demanufacturing.com/pv2/driverx/large/DSC00011.jpg

This is what the directory on my CD looks like: http://www.demanufacturing.com/pv2/driverx/large/ff2dir.jpg

The DRIVER folder has a SETUP file that should have the TWAIN support. The CD I have has a part number on it (16-3931)

03-31-2005 17:46:34

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) billw
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That doesn't bode well for tooncis - the downloadable stub-driver at Radio Shack is listed as Part Number 160-3831, and the first part of the mail from Radio Shack said: replacement CD DRIVER CD FOR 16-3831 12427258 $2.49 may be obtained through our order center. Because of the wording, I assumed the 16-3831 was the part number for the camera.

It seems that they gave me a bum steer. It must be that 16-3831 is the part number for the twainless CD, and 16-3931 is the one with twain. Probably a good idea to update your site with that if you have the time.

BTW, in case anybody gets the same bright idea as I did, I couldn't manage to download 16-3931.exe, 16-3931.EXE, Win16-3931.exe, ..., from the Radio Shack site.

tooncis - I think it wouldn't take much complaining to get them to send you the right CD. It's assinine to have a driver CD that doesn't fully *drive* the camera.

Offtopic: Sailpix, if you or anybody else wants to sourceforge open source code, I can add you to the pv2devkit group... (not that it's tough to open your own project) I'm also willing to submit files if you don't want to be bothered.

03-31-2005 18:39:46

New MessageRE:CVS FlatFoto driver on CD not accepted by Windows as a valid driver for RED CVS Camera. (modified 0 times) binaryweaver
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Sorry. I mistyped. It was difficult to read the number with the flash glare on the photo. It's 16-3831. Even so, it looks like it's a different part number.
03-31-2005 20:02:08

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