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Old Primestar Receivers
Old Primestar Receivers

New MessageOld Primestar Receivers (modified 0 times) SpamapS
I appologize if this isn't directly about a DTV recorder, but this seems to be the right place.

I've recently upgraded my Digital Satellite system from Primestar to DirecTV. To my surprise, the technician left the General Instrument Primestar receiver here(it was leased, as is all Primestar equipment). So anyways, I'm here, looking at the insides of this machine, and it is certainly intriguing. It seems to have, among other things, a Motorola 68HC16Z1CPV16 chip on the board.

Immediatly this piqued my interest.. .as I've toyed with 68HC11's before, so this seems like a possibility. Unfortunately, it seems the 68HC16 is really just a 16-bit 68HC11. Not some 68k capable chip. But I'm still interested!

Before I get too far in to this, the real reason I'm posting here is to see if anyone has taken a look at these, or other Primestar equipment. It seems they're just leaving it all behind everywhere.

I can see some expansion slots on the thing. When I get my digital camera back from the office, I'll take some photos of the internals. Some ideas...

1) This thing is made to decode an Mpeg-2 video stream. Possibly this could be tweaked in to decoding Mpeg-3 audio streams.
2) It has expansion slots, though they don't match anything I've ever mucked with.
3) Of course, an internet applicance, with the TV for the monitor.

The best thing about hacking on these is that the equipment should be relatively easy to find, and most likely free.

06-08-2000 22:59:46

New MessageRE:Old Primestar Receivers (modified 0 times) partsman
They left the old dish and LNA also, if not the installer is probably selling them, you lost out on that one.
The raw parts might be useful, but trying to figure out how to program the processor is a waste of time.
You could get a board like a zworld board or other HC11 board with a monitor and upload ability/support like miniboard or something and connect it's ports to certian hardware things like the downconverter's tuning curcuit and point the old dish around till you pick up something, then try and see if you can decode it. It's a K-band LNA (10 GHZ, might make a good radar detector too).
There will be lots of those boxes and dishes around, I wonder if people will buy them off ebay for the parts.
Watch nuts&bolts mag to see if something pops up for a use.
It has IR input circuits you could use for other projects, and a nice power supply and box w/display.
Hook a websurfer or IO up to it via parallel port, add a MPEG encoder card & HD and make your own TIVO (now you have all the reasons that this is on topic).
06-09-2000 07:59:16

New MessageRE:Old Primestar Receivers (modified 0 times) ioioioinfoioioio
Uhhhh Ahem...."X"-Band is 10Ghz +/- 1Ghz.* "K"-Band is 24Ghz +/- 1Ghz.* (*Approx.)

I build and repair X and K band Police Radar guns and microwave transievers, motion sensors.

I believe you may be referencing "Ku band" that is one of many bands allocated for satelite tv.

06-14-2000 21:06:22

New MessageRE:Old Primestar Receivers (modified 0 times) ioioioinfoioioio
Oooopsss Correction, actually The Ku band was for the older huge 12-18' backyard dishes.....
I'm not sure what band primestar was using.....not into it at all....except noticing the small approx 15" dish

But I do know "X"-Band is 10Ghz +/- 1Ghz.* "K"-Band is 24Ghz +/- 1Ghz.* (*Approx.)

06-14-2000 21:14:43

New MessageRE:Old Primestar Receivers (modified 0 times) Eric
OK, I'm quite knowledgeable on satellite in general, so let me explain:
PrimeStar (will be reffered to as P* hereforth) is a KU band service, or 11.7 GHz to 12.2 GHz, on the Ku side of a C (3.7-4.2 GHZ, the band of the large, backyard dishes) and Ku band satellite. It was started by General Instruments originally as a Analog service, but several years ago it was switched to a Digital service, using General Instruments (GI's) Digcipher 1 (DC1) Digital compression technology. While the name is Digicipher, that does NOT necessarily mean that it is encrypted, many things are, however, there are many Free to air, or unencrypted services.
Honestly, the receiver itself isn't much use. Besides P*, there are only a couple channels using DC1, most have moved over to using Digicipher 2 (DC2) a newer and more efficient form of compression. That is the intent of the connector on the side, as Primestar was supposed to migrate to DC2, so that connector is to add a "sidecar" that would decode DC2 signals.
These are not technically MPEG2 signals, so I think you are out of luck as to playing MP3's. I'm not that familliar with DC1, but DC2 uses its own transport stream, and uses Dolby Digital (AC3) for the audio, versus Musicam for the MPEG 1/2 audio. The video information in MPEG2 and DC2 is encoded the same way, I'm not sure about DC1, it may predate MPEG2.
There are a couple signals that are on the C-band and Ku band, I do not have the instrucations handy, but there is a method of tuning the signals with a P* receiver and I will post it later.
In other words, the receiver is near worthless, I picked up 3 of them for $5.
The dish on the other hand is a Standard Ku Band dish. The older ones used two seperate cables, one for vertically polarized signals, one for horizontally polarized signals. The newer ones used only one cable and switched polaritity by switching the power down the cable to the LNB from 13 to 18 volts, the way DBS dishes do.
The dish is a nice dish, but they are EXTREMELY plentiful, so don't think you will get more than $20 for the dish, and if someone offers you less or to just haul it away for free, let them have it, as at least it will go to a good home.
If you have a Big Dish (C-band) receiver, most can be setup to do Ku also, in which case you can scan the skys looking for signals. See www.lyngsat.com for lots of satellite signals.
If anyone has more questions, fell free to ask, sorry for the (very) long winded post.
06-15-2000 08:14:07

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