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Question about cd-rom drive

New MessageQuestion about adding cd-rom drive (modified 0 times) jtech
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When your adding a cd-rom drive to the tiger.dot,looking at the web site www.rickadee.net/~zephyrus/dot/cdrom.html he only shows the ide cable connected to the drive,but not wheres its connected,is this connected to the secondary 50 pin connector?Or do you daisy chain it with the hard drive using the regular 40 pin connector.Also do you connect the power to this drive,using the power connector,but where does this connect to on the Intel motherboard?He doesnt show any other cables connected to the drive except that ribbon cable.Also when you have the device put back together,how do you load the Windows boot drivers since this motherboard isnt floppy drive compatable?Any help would be appreciated.
jtech
11-11-2004 02:20:17

New MessageRE:Question about adding cd-rom drive (modified 0 times) radarman
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jtech,
Once you get the BIOS flashed to something a little less restrictive, the dot.station is just a PIII/Celeron based PC - and you can pretty much treat it as such.

It has two IDE ports (primary and secondary) - and they are amazing placed in the right order. (the primary IDE is behind the secondary, so the HDD cable doesn't block the CD-ROM cable). Unfortunately, they chose to use a laptop style connector for the secondary port. I reused a cable I bought while working on a WebSurfer (bought it from GCT/Allwell) that went from a standard IDE port to a laptop HDD. (I'm using it in reverse) In fact, it might be possible to use any 2.5" -> 3.5" IDE converter (boards included), but these cables aren't that hard to obtain.

One IMPORTANT note - the connector is 50-pins. Most adapters are only 44-pins - the last 6 are for audio, which the mainboard doesn't *appear* to support. Just make sure your adapter is properly aligned in the connector such that the first 6 pins aren't populated. It looks weird, but I assure you, it works. Alternately, you could just use a longer IDE cable for the hard disk, and make the CD-ROM a slave on that port.

Oh - one last thing, the machine (using reference BIOS firmware) will boot from a CD-ROM. Just stuff your OS install CD in the drive and set the BIOS to boot order to look for the CD-ROM first.

11-12-2004 08:39:45

New MessageQuestion about adding cd-rom drive (modified 0 times) jtech
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Radarman,Thanks for responding to my question.I understand what you said,but I have a question about putting in a Windows OS.I have Windows retail software,that I plan to use,it has a boot floppy,for the boot records,and a cd-rom disk that has the OS on it,how do I load the information thats on the boot floppy to the device?I understand you can use the cd-rom drive for the OS.Also what about the power connector for the cd-rom drive,does this need to be connected?Rickadee doesnt show any cables connected,except that ide cable.He does mention and shows the pin diagram for those other connectors,are any of them used?If you need to use the power connector,where is this connected to the Intel motherboard?I understand the other two are for audio.Any help would be appreciated.
jtech
11-15-2004 00:31:24

New MessageRE:Question about adding cd-rom drive (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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jtech,

There is some information in the "Adding a CD drive" thread lower on the page, and a little more info in "Successful Hacks" thread. With the laptop cdrom adapter, the drive just uses a standard 40-pin IDE cable. If I remember right, I used a power cable splitter to power the cdrom. It uses a regular 3.5" floppy drive power connector. When I took the photos of my drive installation I didn't have the power cable plugged in (it was a "work in progress" at the time).

I just SYS'ed the drive and copied the Win98SE install files and the 98lite files onto it when I had it out of the Dot and temporarily as a slave drive in my desktop (the same thing you do for an iopener.) You can make a CD bootdisk though: http://www.bootdisk.com/nero.htm

Kludgemeister

11-16-2004 14:36:41

New MessageRE:Question about adding cd-rom drive (modified 0 times) radarman
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Assuming you have a real (bootable) Win98 CD-ROM - just stuff it in there, and boot from it. The board supports booting from an El-torito CD-ROM image. You will have to set the BIOS to look at the CD-ROM first, of course.

Remember, with the latest version of the Intel BIOS, the dot.station becomes a regular old Intel based system. I haven't tried my retail Win98, but I know that Win2k and WinXP can both be installed directly from the CD-ROM. The floppy you have is basically a DOS disk with a bunch of CD-ROM drivers on it - for systems that predate the el-torito boot method, or that don't properly support it.

Oh, I forgot to note (thanks kludgemeister) that the board DOES supply 5V to the CD-ROM header. It is designed to go directly to a laptop style CD-ROM - and provides all the hooks. (I'm not sure about the audio - but I wouldn't be surprised if it was hooked up).

If you do use an adapter cable, you can actually run power from the adapter board to the CD-ROM board directly from the mainboard. In fact, that is how my system is setup. I have a ribbon cable, but you could use an adapter board, and simply replace the male Molex connector with a (longer) female floppy connector. (obtained from an old PSU if you have it). Then, you don't need additional splitters, etc.

If you can find the GCT/Allwell cable - it is even simpler. Just connect the 44-pin header to the mainboard connector (aligning towards the rear - leave the first 6-pins open), connect the standard 40-pin ATA cable into the CD-ROM adapter's ATA connector, and the 2-pin power cable into the power connector. You may have to trim the plastic on the power connector to get a good fit. (I actually replaced the 4-pin connector with a 2-pin connector, but trimming the plastic works just as well) It works great, and is a single cable solution. I spooled the excess cable into the metal cage under the CD-ROM.

-radarman

11-16-2004 16:57:06

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