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V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom
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New MessageV4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I know I'm not the first person to do this on this board, but I can report it can be done. This is a V4, Badflash chip, custom made 44 pin, two connecter IDE cable, also from Badflash. I'm using an older Seagate drive(ST9840SG), and a Toshiba 1402 cdrom. Both of course are laptop drives, running off the I-Opener power, mounted externally. The hard drive is master, cdrom slave. I auto detected the hard drive, and skipped detection of the secondary drive. In the first setup screen I set the D drive to none. It booted normally and I had a cdrom. The sandisk is nowhere to be found. I did not have to do anything to the sandisk. I assume it would be found again, if necessary, by unplugging the cdrom, or maybe just puting a switch on the power to it(haven't done that though). I'm not sure if you could pull this off with every hard drive/cdrom combo, but I don't see why not. When my custom base is finished, I'll try to get some pictures. Thanks goes to Badflash for his perfect custom cable, and at least four other people on this board who posted about their success doing this.
07-29-2000 10:46:30

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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This V4 is proving to be much faster than a V2. Using Sandra 2000 pro, my V2 with a Winchip2, had a CPU/FPU score of 292/136 (Average). The Rise 266 scores 400/145 (Average). The Rise scores varied quite a bit during testing. But I just found my final CPU upgrade. Off EBay I got a Pentium200 MMX. This is a drop-in upgrade, no other changes are necessary. It scores 380/224, and is extremely stable. It also runs very cool. This chip has a permanently connected heat sink and fan. It requires a small square hole in the RF shield and back plastic case. When put together only the fan is sticking out, about 1'4" or so. During initial testing this chip/fan setup runs (using Winamp) a stable 36/37C. This is with an external 9v power supply.....very quiet.......using 12v would probably lower the temps. 1 or 2 degrees. This is proving to be a good up-grade, and cheap ($60 new, off EBay).
07-30-2000 08:21:04

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Glad it worked for you! I'll have to try one my self.
So why have all these folks been hacking off the sandisk I wonder?
07-30-2000 18:42:47

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I suspect some just gave up too easily. There have been so many postings about this not being possible...I guess they just started off by hacking on the sandisk. The cable you made me turned out to be exactly the right length....1 inch less and I would have been S.O.L. I split the ribbon cable to get it to route easier....also the ends can be flipped easily this way. The cable will go right under the stock heat sink, if you're using it. I cut out the 2nd USB blank hole, and routed the cable through it. Externally, I covered the split ribbon cable with that black plastic cable covering stuff, which is split down one side. This base I made sits right under the I-Opener stand.....It's actually a hack of a laptop part, with the CDRom opening forward and the hard drive completely hidden inside. No external power is required for this setup...everything runs off the I-Opener power. I'll send you some pictures.....I'm still puting the finishing touches on it. The whole thing looks OEM. Thanks again.
07-30-2000 19:20:27

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I DEFINITELY want some pictures!
07-30-2000 20:50:48

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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ckbone, any details on what kind of cd-rom to look for, ie. HD 2.5 44pin, what specs do we look for in a cd-rom? haven't seen one listed as 'laptop' on any online shopping sites I've noticed... thanks
07-31-2000 08:05:18

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Not many retail outlets sell laptop parts. I get all my laptop parts off E-Bay. The cdrom I'm using is a Toshiba XM1402B (6x), the 1602 is a 10x, there are others in this line ...1802,etc., but I'm not sure of the speeds. They're all pretty much interchangable, same size, etc, so any in this line should work. On E-Bay they go for $30-$70. The Badflash custom cable just plugs right in...no adapters needed.
07-31-2000 09:46:00

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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One more thing to add.....If you get a used laptop cdrom, see if it's working before going through a lot of mounting trouble. They work in a normal computer using a 2.5/3.5 adapter. On the Toshiba, the jumper settings are printed right on it, with others find the correct settings off the mfg. web site. Too bad you cannot boot off a cdrom...no bios support for this. But it does work fine, with no power issues seen at all. I never was happy with using up hard drive space for junk mp3s. They play just fine off the cdrom. I also think most laptop cdroms will work properly in any mounting position. Using your imagination, I'm sure you could come up with some unique solutions........leaving the hard drive inside the case....maybe hacking a hole in the stock base for the cdrom......etc.
08-02-2000 03:34:26

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ttn1
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This is from an old post. I ordered my cdrom drives from bason computer also. They don't have them listed on their website http://www.basoncomputer.com , but if you call they have them. Although I got mine about a month ago. It's still worth a try. My cdroms work great, they are XM1402Bs. Also, their hardrives are reasonably priced.

This guy is selling 2x, 4x, and 6x for 15$ each. He had an ebay auction so I asked him what he had and how big they were. They seem like they would fit in the case ok. heres the text from his emails. His address is:weili@basoncomputer.com and you could order from him at: 800-238-4453x115
> They are 5.25" x .8" x 5.4"
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> XM1102BX 2x
> XM1302B 4x
> XM1402B 6x
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> they are all 44pin IDE interface. drive only. all the same price $15/ea

DISCLAIMER: I dont know this guy, I cant tell you if he is trustworthy or not but his ebay rating was good. I got his info from this auction: 297066365. If you get screwed by this guy dont come whining to me. I have not yet ordered from him yet but I am going to soon, hopefully before you guys clean him out.

08-02-2000 06:18:20

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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thanks for the tip, just ordered... now, gotta get those cables from jack... hehe, this cheap little computer is kinda like a drug habbit, lol.... just one more hit....
08-02-2000 11:07:40

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Here's another thing....before ordering your cable, measure carefully. The idea is to make the overall cable length as short as possible. When I get the pictures finished, I'll post a link to them; you'll see I have only a short loop out the back of the case, to the base. My overall cable length is 25". I don't know how far you could push this. (I think IDE specs call for a 22" max). The connecter ends all point down, red wire on the right. Your setup might be different. Spliting the ribbon cable made routing a snap. Inside the case, the cable(split in two wire pairs) goes straight down from the m-board connecter,routes around the top side of the modem,then straight down the right side between the modem and BIOS chip, Then out the cut-out second USB hole. No sweat at all.
08-02-2000 17:06:59

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) no_nick
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I was thinking about the CD-ROM deal, too, and when I saw some used ones a computer show, I picked up up for $13. It is a Toshiba XM-1602B, so it sounds similar to what you've got.

Except, the interface seems completely proprietary. The interface on the outside is about an inch long, and has, best as I can count, two rows of 25-each pins. I took the thing apart thinking there would be a regular 44-pin connector inside, but no luck, just another, completely different 5-pin 1-inch long connector.

There's basically just a rigid/plastic ribbon cable going from the reader itself (the part that slides out) to the intermediate connector, and then a second flat rigid/plastic connector going from the intermediate interface to the one that actually sticks out the back of the unit.

Anybody have any idea how this can be converted to a 44 pin interface? Or am I out the $13?

BTW, I intend to use it with the sandisk (running Jailbait) and no HD. This machine will be a music machine set up to run MP3s (mounted over NFS or streamed from my server). IF I can get a CD on it, then I can run audio CDs on it too.

08-02-2000 21:04:35

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) starfish
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Sounds like SCSI to Me.
08-02-2000 21:11:22

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) no_nick
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Following up my own post (ettiquette, what's that!).

The intermediate interface is shown at http://www.toshiba.com/taecdpd/techdocs/1902B/1902connect.shtml This is for the XM-1902B, but it seems the same as my XM-1602B. It says it is ATAPI, and the pin out description is enough to make you own cable, but there must be some way to get a pre-made cable for this. Or at least an interface fitting. There's no way in hell I can solder each of those 50 pins!

Any ideas or has anybody seen anything like this before?

The 50 pins vs the 44 pins are for 4 pins to be the direct audio link to the sound card, and 2 more for vendor specific. Perhaps without a direct line from the CD to the audio chips, I wouldn't be able to play audio CDs anyway.

08-02-2000 21:17:50

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) no_nick
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OK, more poking around the toshiba web site, picking random models. Some of the models have this after the description of the ATAPI connector:

"A 50-pin ATAPI interface connector is found at the rear of the SD-C2102 DVD-ROM drive.

Connecting cable should use Japan Aviation Electronics Industry Limited KX15-50KLD L or equivalent connector."

Seearching for a KX15-50KLD gets me nowhere. Any good cable sites I could check out?

08-02-2000 21:41:07

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) reforger
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The guy who makes the after-market I Opener cases was talking about developing an adapter cable. I don't know if he has done this yet. His email address is: mturpin@spel.com
08-02-2000 21:51:48

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) starfish
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You know BadFlash would do it, If You ask him.
I don't think You need all 50 pins ???
to play MP3s, You don't. Now Audio Cds You would need those pins, But Maybe they could be a second connector ???
Just some Random Thoughts, Since I was Wrong about the SCSI Thing !
08-02-2000 22:23:56

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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The cdrom I used (Toshiba XM1402B) has a standard 44pin connection. I can't give any specific answers about any other brands/models. These are very common on Ebay...go for as little as $30. Badflash was kind enough to post some very poor photos of my setup here: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=whatever&Post=1405&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= If I can find a battery for my Nikon, I'll try to take some better ones, but you get a general idea of the setup.
08-03-2000 02:42:10

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Here's a link to one of these bases currently on E-Bay. Shis same guy offered to sell me one for $79 (no shipping), by-passing Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=396980668 That seems about average.....
08-03-2000 03:49:20

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Here's what I know about sound and this setup: You can play mp3's, any game sounds I know about, video sound, etc. with this cdrom. The I-Opener sound (except V5) works just fine. You cannot play audio cds, with this setup. To do so would require hooking up the audio outs on the cdrom, to an audio input, which the stock I-opener does not have. There is a complete sound system, using a Yamaha sound chip YMF262-M, and an ESS Audio Drive ES688f which came in the custom base. Getting it to work with the I-Opener is beyond my capibility. It has some kind of a pcmcia controller/interface....maybe somebody could do it...not me. The base does contain 2 speakers and a sub-woofer, which have hack potential. Here's a amplifier that would fit in the same space as the Yamaha setup....A small amplifier out of a set of SONY amplified speakers SRSA21 will fit...I measured it. You could connect the cdrom outputs to the sony amplifier, and play audio cds this way, using the speakers in the base( I don't know about the sub-woofer). In order to get the hard drive to fit, I had to remove the sub-woofer, but if you left the hard drive in the I-Opener, you could use the subwoofer. If you had an audio out on the I-Opener, or even use the speaker outs, you could play the computer sound, using this Sony amplifier setup, by running some wires down to the Sony. There is a lot of hack potential still left here.If you remove the whole sound system from the base, as I did, there is an open space the size of a 2.5 hard drive (17mm) left, to the left of the cdrom. You could put a USB hub here or whatever.....I have never heard these speakers in the base working, but they look good and are about 2.5X as big as an I-Opener........happy hacking.
08-03-2000 17:20:18

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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ckbone, I finally got all my parts together, but, I'm alittle lost... my toshiba xm-1402b cdrom drive says, : : master/slave could you tell me which you jumped? I actually tried 3 combs, none, first set, second set... no luck... I wonder if my problem could be... I partitioned my HD, c: and d:for a swap drive... I'm sure I'm close... I will keep messing with it... also, does it make any difference on the cable? in the middle, or on the end? thanks so much!
08-18-2000 18:54:53

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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It shouldn't make a difference which connector on the IDE cable goes to the cdrom. This is just standard IDE stuff. I'm not sure what effect your partitioning setup would have. Mine has two std. partitions...C and D...the cdrom shows up as E. My sandisk in this setup was never touched...never formatted..etc. As far as the jumpers are concerned, mine had a diagram on the top of the drive. (Its installed now..can't see it) Seems to me no jumper was master...a jumper in the first row of pins was slave...and the last setting was cable select. Mine has one jumper in the slave setting. If you see a setting that says master/slave, that usually means it will configure as either, depending on how the other device in the chain is jumpered. I've only seen this in laptop stuff. In the BIOS, mine boots as C only. If you put D first in the boot order, it is just ignored, and it boots off the hard drive anyway. Does your sandisk show up with a drive letter when you boot without a cdrom? If so, I would recommend using Partition Magic to just delete the whole thing. I never did that because my sandisk was never formatted from the stock setup, and was never recognized by Windows. I have my boot menu visible when booting, and I can see the cdrom being recognized as a slave device during the boot process. One more thing: are you sure you cdrom is good? It should work in a normal computer using the 2.5/3.5 adapter. If not you're SOL.
08-19-2000 02:41:35

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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ever have one of those days.... things just _dont work? well, thanks very much, I got one working this morning, (I used the other CD drive, will test the other next...) nice to have small successes!
08-19-2000 09:26:43

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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nuts... one will NOT work this way... that caused all my troubles... next step??? the drive Does work fine, with the 3.5/2.5 adpt in a reg computer... it just doesn't work in this IO, ONLY thing I changed was the CD... everything else, same... oh well, I will win in the end!
08-19-2000 09:34:18

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Another thing to try......When you boot to windows with the cdrom connected, you're not getting a drive letter assigned, right? Does anything show up in device manager under cdroms, drives, controllers, etc.? If it shows up there, maybe a setting change, and a reboot would fix the problem. I'm curious to know how this turns out.....remember, other people reported difficulty with this setup. Mine's working....no sweat.....hope you're successful.
08-19-2000 10:57:59

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Here are the links to the last set of pictures of this cdrom setup. Thanks to Badflash for his help.http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Back_Close4.jpg
http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Bottom_Closed3.jpg
http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Bottom_Open2.jpg
http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Front_Angle1.jpg
http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Front5.jpg
http://www.badflash.com/Opener_Setup6.jpg
08-19-2000 12:21:58

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Many people have difficulty with this setup, for various reasons. I only have one cdrom(Toshiba XM1402B) to try, but I have successfully used 5 different hard drives with this exact setup. Here's a list of the ones I used: #1 IBM DYLA 28100 8.2gig 17mm...#2 IBM DCRA-22110 2.1gig 17mm.....#3 Seagate ST9840AG 840meg 12mm.....#4 IBM 1.4gig 12mm....#5 IBM 840meg 17mm. The procedure was identical for all five. Hard drive master, cdrom slave. Ide cable from motherboard to cdrom, then to hard drive. In BIOS settings, I auto detected the hard drive , option 2, skipped detection of secondary drive. Then I went to the first setup screen and changed the hard drive setting to AUTO, the secondary setting I set to none. It booted normally, and the cdrom was working, WIN98se. To anyone having trouble with your setup first see if the hard drive will boot by itself on either connecter of your IDE cable, it should. Then see if the cdrom will work in a normal computer using your 2.5/3.5 adapter, it should. After that if the computer boots, but assigns no drive letter to the cdrom, go into device manager and search for any problem devices. If it still won't work, you could try different BIOS settings....I didn't have to do that. You could also be having some sort of compatibility problem with the drive and cdrom...but I didn't with my setup. FWIW.....all four of my IBM drives setup/installed with no sweat. The 8.1 gig drive is noiser than the others, but not excessively so. In this whole procedure the sandisk has remained untouched.
08-20-2000 12:08:20

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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well, I have an interesting deal here.... this cdrom does work as a slave in another computer, not in my IO, and, I have another identical cdrom, works fine, I keep swapping back and forth, only changing the cdrom , one does, one doesnt.... kinda dissapointing... I will keep checking stuff....

on another note, I have 2 IBM drives, work fine... I bought 2 other models, IBM model DPRA-21215 ... I hear the drive spinup, but, NOTHING recognizes it, not the bios, not fdisk... tried several machines... I don't know what to try next... I guess just return them, and stay away from that model... now, to find another source for a good buy....

08-20-2000 13:28:51

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Redwood....If you still are having trouble, I've got another idea. Try setting up your hard drive like this....Get a copy of the Maxtor drive install boot floppy MaxBlast 9.04. Put the drive in a normal computer, have the BIOS find it, set it to AUTO, LBA enabled. Then boot off the floppy. Follow the directions....It will ask for the Win98 startup disk....it will then format and partition the drive and make it bootable. If you enter the advanced settings during this process, or after it's done, then enable EZBIOS for the drive. This may help the I-Opener recognize the hard drive. Remove the floppy and reboot to the DOS prompt. Then, using a DOS cdrom driver installation program, (mine came with a Panasonic cdrom, use default settings) install the DOS cdrom driver. When you reboot, the last lines before the DOS prompt should show the drive letter for the cdrom. You then will know that DOS has cdrom support. Then.......put the drive in the I-Opener, use the BIOS settings I described above...and allow the I-Opener to boot to a DOS prompt. You should then see the drive letter for the cdrom. I'm assuming here, you have the cdrom connected on the IDE cable. If you are successful, put the Win98 disk in the cdrom drive, change to the cdrom drive letter, say D: type setup...hit enter...and if I got this figured right, you should be in business. If you have problems finding those programs, post your address in your profile...maybe I can help.
08-21-2000 16:57:12

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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One more thing...Use MaxBlast 9.04 only ...earlier versions will not give you Fat32 support....later versions will only set up maxtor drives. That version used to be available off the Maxtor home page.
08-21-2000 17:04:54

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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thanks ckbone, that gives me some ideas... kinda busy day today, but I'll get to it...
08-21-2000 19:01:34

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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ckbone, you said "I only have one cdrom(Toshiba
XM1402B) to try"
I'm finally back to working on this problem... could you tell me what tosh*.sys file you are useing for dos support of this drive? I'm trying to set it up the 'old way' haha, but, I think I have forgotten more than I remember... I have a coupla of tosh cd drives/disks... but, I got no disk with these new notebook drives... thanks
09-07-2000 06:28:51

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Redwood....I'm using a generic driver from panasonic.....it's installed using a DOS program. Post your address and I'll send it to you.
09-07-2000 14:05:43

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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ok, thanks ckbone, send to rdwd@hotmail.com,
funny, one of these tosh files I have should work.... I will win!, I got my IBM drives working... NO idea what the problem was... haha, keyword... working...
09-07-2000 16:46:56

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) vwbug19
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yes the KX15-50KLD connector is available at 1 website i sumbitted for free sample :)
http://www.keiconn.com/home.htm my order is still waiting a week now :(
09-07-2000 22:39:55

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) onone
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CK,

I liked your setup so much that I bought the Multimedia Dock!! (It's supposed to be a cheap takeoff from the Remington Shaver commercials). I was looking at the pics that you supplied of the underside of the dock with the bottom open and I can not figure out what a bunch of the cables are (in particular the cable attached to the former MIDI and sound in / out ports). Would you be kind enough to reply with more details of what you did with your conversion of this DEC Multimedia Dock, pit falls, things that you would have done differently, and things that you would note change. Thanks again for this WONDERFUL idea.

Greg

09-08-2000 00:18:44

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Good for you....actually it was rather easy. To get the hard drive to fit (a 17mm thick one fits fine) you have to remove some plastic bracing/channels where the sub-woofer used to sit....its a snug fit, but with no forcing. No screws are used to hold it. With the bottom back on it won't move at all. Remove the inside paint from the hard drive area....it's conductive and could touch the bottom of the hard drive. You will have to remove some internal bracing in various places...on the outside edges of the case, the plastic is very brittle, and will split if cut with a snipper. I used a file to cut the groove for the IDE cable to enter the base. That cable you see coiled up by the midi port, is 1/2 of a cut joy-stick extension cable, permanently mounted inside. Right now I'm using some of the wires to bring 12v into the base, to power a 12v jack, which you can see, used for my 12v cpu fan. I used the little green lite hole (Radio Shack 12v led) to indicate from the front if my cpu fan has 12v. There is visible a coil of extra wires from the cable not being used yet. If you wired that section differently, there is enough room for a small USB hub. I am using the small speakers in the setup....I un-plugged the stock I-Opener speakers..These are much better. I ran the wires down with the IDE cable...no shielding works fine. My badflash Ide cable is 18" from the board to the cdrom....should have been 20" to allow the screen to tilt more. Right now the thing is held to the I-Opener base with velcro..works ok and makes for easy removal. The bottom fits back on with no forcing, using the stock screws...you will have to do a bit of plastic trimming to get all the wires to fit. The only visible change on the outside is the one hole for the IDE cable. And I did have to enlarge the former holes for the line in, so my radio shack small power jack would fit. Good luck...
09-08-2000 03:11:40

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I did put up some more picts of this setup. http://photos.yahoo.com/ckbone63123 When you get it finished, set up an photo account and post some pictures.
09-08-2000 03:33:17

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Due to possible new interest in cdroms, brought on by new developments, I thought I'D update this thread. My Toshiba XM1402b is working fine. At a computer show I found a large number of laptop cdroms. They were in a dark gray enclosure, with the name Dell Latitude CP 20x Variable cdrom module, p/n 9033c. The guy wanted $10 each. I bought one even though the connecter was non-standard. After taking it apart, inside was a Toshiba XM1602b....it also has a non-standard connector.....great...two different non-standard connecters, completely useless without a usable adapter. Any more leads on this adapter problem?
11-11-2000 08:53:00

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) redwood
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now there's a great idea... take a 44 pin connector, that costs prolly a nickle... and change it thru 2 different adpt...
Standards... Standards... when will they learn?
hope you figger something out,
11-11-2000 09:02:10

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Sounds like you might have the micro-50 pin port, the JAE-50. Same thing on my HP cdrom drive (actually a rebranded TEAC 224-E).

I lucked out because HP sold the drive with an adapter and cables. With a little patience, I got the 50-pin connectors off the original cable, and crimped them onto a 44-pin IOpener cable. The extra 6 pins are probably routed for CD-Audio, but I didn't beep them out to be sure.

If anyone in the South SF Bay is able to create PCB clones (I don't have EE connections here), I'll be happy to lend one of these adapters so you can beep the traces and produce a JAE Adapter clone for all.

11-11-2000 09:13:56

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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After researching Toshiba cdrom drives, the only model I found with a std. 44 pin connector, is the XM1402b. The later models, 1502b on, all have non-standard connections. The XM1402b is a 6x.....works fine for mp3s, whatever. If anyone has a laptop cdrom with a std. connection, please post its model #.
11-12-2000 07:14:04

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) ckbone
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FWIW...I just did a clean install of WinME using a new 3.2 gig IBM drive, and the Toshiba cdrom, set up exactly as described in the first post in this thread. Here's how:

Attach the drive using a 2.5/3.5 adapter, to another computer. Detect the drive in this computer's BIOS.

Boot the computer using a Maxtor drive setup disk, version 9.04. When asked, insert a Win 98 startup disk to get the system files. Reboot.

At the DOS prompt insert a cdrom driver disk ( I used a Panasonic disk version 2.07), and install the driver (I used the default install). Reboot. Check to see if your cdrom is recognized. If successful, shutdown.

Install drive in I-Opener setup, with cdrom attached. In the BIOS detect the new drive..Skip detection of the slave drive. Boot to the DOS prompt. Check to see if the cdrom is recognized. Insert setup cdrom. At the cdrom drive letter type setup....You're on your way.

There are other ways to do this, but this is the easiest. If anyone needs copies of the mentioned software, post your address. Good luck.....Who needs a bootable cdrom anyway?

11-12-2000 10:31:34

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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OK, i dont know if any of you guys have my post's of hacks in other areas off the bbs in the past but here are 2 of them:
from:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=technical&Post=950&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=4&Session=mp3boombox.96536404546619

Welp I'v dont it again!!!
My roomate and I have been working on this for a while but have added a multi port to the iopener for use with MULTI DEVICES!!!!! Like zipdrives, cdrom's, supperdisk's ect....
How did I acheave this you ask? Ok got to let you in on the secret.
Step #1
Remove the base from the Iopener, holding arms as well. Now get ahold of a dremal (in a drill press kit) or a nice drill press with a mobial clap table under it. Next you need to have a tecra laptop muti bay drive. I'v got the cdrom but am waiting on a supper disk comming to me. You need to mesure out the size of the drive then mark it out on the base unit in the middle (trying to center it). The next part is a pain in the ass.

Step #2

OK you need to have a very thin thin routing bit. The thinner the better, though the cutting blade must be around 5mm long or so. Now you need to make 2 long swipes on the sides and one long swip on the front of the base unit to match out the size of the drive units (5" wide X 5.25"). dont cut 2 deep into the base because you want to keep the cross brase's in tact on the under side. The under side you'll have the hardest time with using a dremal to seperate the cross brases from the top of the base. The top sheet of plastic will act ad your drive cover. Now that you have done all of this the cross brases need to be be even. Wip out the old routing bit gain. this time size matters! They just need to be flush with the front of the io's base which is about 7mm high. Once you'v made the cross brases all at an even hight, and about 7mm high. Add a VERY thin piece of plastic to the top there for making a sliding serface for drive units. Welp if its been done good it will look something like this a rather large centerd squar has been cut. any tecra drive unit will fit in it nice and snug, yet the connector will pose a problem.
step #3

So the lid is now nice and flat on the inside. The drive is nice and flat with nothing obstructing the front so things can open or be incerted. Well that wasn't so bad was it? Or was it........
Now for the next fun part. I got a mini din 50pin scsi external connector cable from a local computer junk store of sorts and proceded to do some soldering. The wires from the IDE cable on the inside of the IO has been hardwired to the connector. The external cable now plugs onto this nicely or unplugs. As for placement, pick a place cut a hole and glue or screw it in.
So the base unit is done almost, we'v got are IDE made external. but are missing the connector between the drive and cable inside the base. The interface between the drive units and the main unit, are done easly. Take the base drill a whole in the back of the base for the cable. next you need to make a PCB board and get a female 2.5" ide style connector (a 50pin female SMT OR THEW HOLE solder connector would be ideal) the connector can be gotten from www.fciconnect.com model# 57202. As for the rest the web site isn't up so i cant give you the exact number but its a 25x2 for 50pins SMT. Its 50pins becaue of the AUDIO connector. Well seeing as how the laptop cdrom has the standerd 44pin for IDE the extra 6 pins on the side are for audio. Left, right, and 2 are ground. the base unit is hardwired to slave.
Now provided that you have made a nice small pcb with this long set of ide pins that has been solderd to pcb you need to place it just right. If you don't, when you slide the drive in it may miss the pins. i just pluged the adapter in. THEN just placed the CDROM in and broke out the good old trusty HOT glue gun and gave her hell so that the pcb wont go anywheres. Now i can put any ide device in that follows the same IDE header style.
The only problem i have currently is i need a LINE in hack for my io but dont know what pins and or what parts are needed to do audioin. for the time being i'm using an IDE hack driver which makes audio CD'S look like pc cd's so i can just play the audio thew the ribbon cable just fine, i can even rip them thew the audio cable just drag and drop.

This may not be hot swapable but having the ablity to use multi devices in an IO makes it a great appliance. The cdrom I'm using is a XM-1402B 6x speed. It's just a straight ATAPI ide device so any drive unit from a tecra laptop SHOULD work. Including a hard drive caddy to use any hard drive that will fit ect... Or you could go so far as to use DVD or CDR(W) oooOOOOOoooooo....... The best thing is that its powerd VIA the I-OPENER!!
my seccond io i'm making an external bay box unit. It'll also house a battery pack for thous times when i'm running my seccond io OFF battery power i drain less on the system power :) 12batterys low voltage 5volt regulator 1capasiter and a resister is all it takes. Oh and a switch to go between system or bat. power.
want a parts list give me an email maby i'll post it or build a web page some time with a collection of my hacks

When I get a digi cam or something I'll post some pictures!!
ENJOY AN OTHER GREAT MP3BOOMBOX MOD!!!


AND THE SECCOND ONE:

Ok, :) I'v got your problem solver and this is more likly the best cooling mod yet. I must say even I didnt think of that one. GOOD job doc, but my fix does involv a fan. DONT start hissing yet :). This fix requires only a little cutting of the RF shield, yet the area thats cut is on the edge of the io and NON EXPOSED. Now you all rember them fun loving 1"x1" fan's in laptop's on the side???
WELL I'v done this, the only cut is on the side of the RF shield by the cpu, then i ran a big tube on the INSIDE of the IO on that 1" boarder where the mother board ends. This tube runs from the cpu down to the very bottem and then across and opens upto the vent cuts at the bottem. I'v placed the fan in the middle of the tube between the cpu and the serial port, which cuts down on noise due to it being totaly internal. last but not least i'v coverd the heat synk with a thin foil to keep the cool moving air IN the heat synk only.
Ok to sum this up, I'v made a speical tube across the inside of the io by the cpu going from the cpu to the bottem then it runs across the bottem for a little bit. The fan is in the middle of the io kind of close to the cpu and serial port but its not mounted on the cpu at all. The cool air runs in from the bottem and out over the heat synk and will also help cool the HARD DRIVE.
i'v got an other setup like this already and my CPU runs at about 86f-94f degreese. (just for a little teaser the 94f was after about a half hour of running the windows GL maze screen saver.

The reason why this mod works so well is that there is a NICE boarder on the inside around the entire IO with plenty of space to do a lot of things. Though this mini fan is a low power user and doesnt suck as much air as a standerd fan does. It's out doing its self as far as I can tell. When I get a cam. I'll post some pictures.


I do have other hacks like a PLUG on serial port adapter using a max235 adapter which you just plug on to the MB and cut a hole in the case and your done. these go for $30 each hand made, it makes it so that you can use ANY serial device, but if a device requires a power source i can't be shure if it will work or work properly. Now all data line are there so ablity wise it's 100% usable for all devices. some examples that i'v tested mouse, laplink,irda, external modem ect.. plus you do have a 5volt line.
if you need a 12v line you need a 12volt regulator and a cap, tapping power off the main source where you plug in the power supply of the io. That is risky becuase the power level may be to much!! its 1.83amps 19volts brake that down, a serial port doesnt output that many amps :)
intrested in a serial adapter email me
berinc@acadia.net

11-12-2000 10:34:50

New MessageRE:V4 with IDE hard drive and CDRom (modified 0 times) hseaver
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I've got a Mitsumi SR242SI laptop cdrom with the 50pin JAE connector. I got an adaptor for it, the drive works fine with jailbait on the sandisk, except it sees it as /dev/hda. I've had an ide HD working fine, running slackware on the drive, and it and the sandisk both coexist okay, but I can't get the cdrom to work with the HD. I think the problem is that there's just no way to set the master/slave on the cdrom that I can see. No jumpers at all.
Has anyone gotten one of these cdroms with the JAE connector to work with a HD on the i-opener? I've got the latest bios from badflash and his double cable, and, as I said, both the cdrom and the HD work fine by themselves, just not together. Is the only solution to get another cdrom or clip the sandisk? Has anyone been able to put a switch on the sandisk?
10-08-2002 09:54:28

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