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New MessageV4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) jceven
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I have been poking around in other threads and havent come up with any viable information for my question.

From previous threads I gather that the switch (SW3? SW4?) on Version 4+ iopeners allows for easy cpu voltage adjustment? is this correct.

Turbo3- Are u just doing a direct drop in for you K6-2 and K6-3 cpus in a version 4 iopener? What settings on what switches did you have to change? Did you have to do any soldering on the mobo. (I am very hesitant to do that)/

What choices do I have for a V4 iopener. Right now I have a P166 in mine that WCPUid reports at 200 Mhz.
I would definetly love to throw in an AMD chip with L2 cache and just a faster cpu.

Please let me know.
jceven_NOSPAM@ucdavis.edu. Take out _NOSPAM.

-Joel

08-04-2000 08:43:04

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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First, I have a V5 with the new sound chip. The only change I have made to the motherboard is to remove R130 and move SW3 to the SW1 position so I can adjust the multiplier. If you are satisfied with running at only 3x multiplier you can leave it stock.

To test at 3x just set SW4 to all OFF and drop in your K6-III. My K6-III is stamped for 2.2 core and runs fine at 2.0.

SW4 is the key. With it you can get the lower 2.0 core voltage needed for the faster processors to run with the little Iopener supply. I would definitely go for the K6-III even at the stock speed of 3x66. The L2 cache helps a lot. You can still adjust the FSB with SoftFSB to get 70 MHz instead of 66 without making any MB changes.

If there is a Fry's in Davis I would pick up the $29.95 K6-III 333MHz chip.

08-04-2000 09:08:29

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) asm_
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Are you refering to the AMD K-6-2 333Mhz?

I checked the AMD web site and the Lowest speed offered for K6-III is 400Mhz.

08-05-2000 23:43:12

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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What you are looking at on the AMD site are their standard offerings. The K6-III 333MHz is a custom part with a higher temperature limit but to get that they qualified it at a lower clock speed and multiplier. As I understand it the chips were to be used in a notebook computer but were dumped on the secondary market. The chip is stamped "AMD-K6-III/333AFK 2.2 CORE/3.3V I/O". Note the special "K" temperature rating that is not listed for the K6-III on the AMD website.

This is the perfect upgrade for a V4 or V5 Iopener. You can get 2 to 3 times the performance helped mainly by the 256KB of L2 cache. For $29.95 you can not do better.

I will be testing out a three resistor change to a V3 that should drop the core voltage to 2.0 and allow the K6-III to be used there as well. The change makes the V3 core power supply just like the V4/V5 one but without the unnecessary SW4 switch. To get 2.0 SW4 is set to all off so it and the two resistors it controls are not needed for 2.0v. The only question is did Netpliance change Q16 from a 28N03L to a 6030 because they ran out of the 28N03L parts or to replace it with a better part.

08-06-2000 00:36:50

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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The lowest consumer version of the K6-III was 400 MHz. After sorting (binning), lower speed grades will also exist. Do you think Intel or AMD throw these out? No way. They are sold in the OEM channel after being marked at a lower speed and/or different temperature grade. This helps prevent undercutting the price of the consumer version. However, occasionally, the OEM versions show up on the retail market, for instance due to oversupply or product transitions. This may be one of those cases, but is unusual in that a 1-year consumer warranty is being offered, as opposed to the 30-day OEM warranty. Also, it appears that Fry's bought out the entire overstock from AMD (they're practically next door to each other in Sunnyvale).

Both the AMD-K6-III/333 and 350 chips are known to exist, but the present lot at Fry's is the 333. It is the extended temperature (0-80 c) AFK grade, although the store has mistakenly labelled it as the lower AFR (0-70 c) grade. Perhaps they have got mixed stock and have simply not bothered to sort it, since it is anyway the least expensive x86 CPU in their stock (they also have the K6/300, K6-2/300, etc., all at the same $29.95 price. Go figure.)

I have run Cachechk on it, and it is without doubt a K6-III with on-chip 256k L2 cache. A few minutes playing around with it will leave no doubt about its formidable internals - it is palpably much quicker than any other similarly clocked Socket 7 CPU (MII, Winchip2, Rise MP6, K6-2 or P233/MMX).

It also runs relatively cool at Vcore = 2.0 v and 266 Mhz. All in all, this is a great bargain at $29.95. It has helped to erase all of the pain that I felt in missing out on their sale of the K6-2/350 at $24.95 a few months ago. This is just perfect for all my upgrade needs until the Thunderbird gets under $100 (probably 12-18 months from now).

If you get the AFR grade, just ask the counter salesperson nicely enough, and they will replace it with the (better) AFK chip if they can. So far, I've only turned up AFK chips (important when used in the I-Opener).

08-06-2000 00:54:09

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) alvin
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Anyone know if this fry's ever one is talking about has a website you can by the AMD-K6-III/333AFK 2.2 CORE/3.3V I/O chip on.. for this 29.95. Otherwize I am willing to buy on from some one that can get it for me and mail it. I will pay $60.00 including the shipping to any one that can.. Please email if you can do this for me alvin@pointonline.net

Thanks

08-06-2000 20:24:39

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) reforger
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alvin,

I do not believe that Fry's Electronics has a website. I also do not know if they do phone / fax orders. However, you could try calling one of their stores. They are located in both northern and southern California. The phone number for their Manhattan Beach, CA store is 310.364.3797. Fax is 310.364.3718.

They also have stores in Burbank and Woodland Hills -- as well as some other places here in So. Cal.

Their part number is 2742043.

Just bought a couple there today. Works great in my V4.

Good luck.

08-06-2000 22:43:29

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Gio2K
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Just an addendum... Fry's ships from Sunnyvale, (408) 617-1300 - ask for Venus in electronic parts. $29.95 is the correct price. Fry's web page is http://www.frys.com
08-07-2000 16:33:48

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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Would this type of modification work on a pre v4 iopener?

In other words, is it possible to do the same using only the resistor modifications listed in other threads?

Thanks!

Kudzu


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08-07-2000 19:06:29

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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Kudzu: Yes, you can modify a V3 core power supply to be just like the V4/V5 and run at 2.0,2.2,2,6, or 2.8 volts depending on the value of R202. I have a V3 running right now with the AMD K6-III at 2.0v core and a multiplier of 4 (266MHz). Check the "SW3...SW4....Correct Setting?" thread for the details.
08-07-2000 19:15:46

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) kuyote
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Just wanted to let everyone know that the Fry's in Sacramento has quite a few of the K6-III 333's in stock for 29.95 I just went out and picked one up.
08-08-2000 13:38:46

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Sundog
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Anyone out there in sunny California willing
to pick up one of the K6's at Fry's and mail
it to me in Texas? 5 mins on the phone with
them convinced me not to mail-order! I won't
pay DOUBLE the price like someone else who posted but
I'd certainly add $10 or so, plus the shipping of
course. Anyone willing to do this please
email me at mcox@nospamhotus.com, with the
obvious editing.
08-08-2000 14:44:35

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) GuyMontag
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Sundog,
You are sooooo right! Unfortunately, I made an order. On the phone with them AGAIN right now (finally got a call back, have to have manager approval to ship to a different than billing address). They still have not shipped, shipping is $11.80, on hold for 15 min. this time and counting.

If you thought this was long, search on "Fry's" and read my other posts.


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08-08-2000 16:40:35

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Pepsi
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alvin, Sundog,

I got some if you still need one, in fact, I can go get more if any of you guys are interested, my local fry's has about 40 left, not sure how accurate that is, but that's what the salesperson said on the phone.
I can go pick some up tomorrow if you guys need some, email me at pepsi1cola@netzero.net before I go, and state your price. If there's a limit restriction, I can always get my buds to go with me.

08-08-2000 22:10:09

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) ravton
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Pepsi or anyone else. I'd like one or two of these babies. Must be the extended temp range AFK's. Please email me at ravton@yahoo.com

Thanks
ravton@yahoo.com

08-09-2000 13:24:52

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Pepsi
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ravton,

Yeah, it's AFK, this is the markings on the chip:

AMD-K6-III/333AFK
2.2V CORE/3.3V I/O

08-09-2000 15:02:22

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Pepsi
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Ok, for some reason, some mails are not going through to some of the addresses you guys gave me, but some worked fine, so if you haven't gotten a reply from me, it doesn't mean I am ignoring me. Try mailing to me again with a hotmail account, I have no problem mailing to that. Thanks.
08-09-2000 15:22:25

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) klotz
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Any idea whether this CPU can be used in a V1?
08-09-2000 22:27:53

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Ramster
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Boy I picked up a few of those AMD 333 chips at Flies, I mean Frys the other day. I asked for the AFK version and received AFR boxes. Once I check the cpu’s I found that one of the chip I received was a AFK version and the others were AFR!

Man that Blow’s. I wish I would have paid more attention. Anyone ever have to return something at Flies! Man they suck when it come to returns. Yes they will take em back but boy you pay for it. I mean the time I spend waiting for their drones to process the return, etc…..

Don’t get me wrong, I am sure happy as hell that they have these chips, just wish they weren’t so hard to deal with.

Better check those boxes, or I should say check the top of the chips. I hope you guys can get the right chips via the mail order!

Happy trails.
Ramster

08-10-2000 02:02:01

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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Might anyone be interested in the mobile K62+ as an upgrade?

http://www.vegapc.com/

Kudzu


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08-10-2000 11:54:15

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/TigerSystems/item-details.asp?sku=CP2-K63-350

I just found this one too. It might be a good alternative for those looking to mail-order?

Kudzu


Listen, my child... to the sound of one hand clapping.
08-10-2000 12:23:36

New MessageQ16 Heat (modified 0 times) InspectHerGadget
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Hear's what I did with my V4:
1. Added switch from SW3 to SW1
2. Changed Multiplier to 4X
3. Changed Voltage to 2.2v for my K6-2
4. Kicked Her Up to 100mHz on SoftFSB

This made poor lil Q16 damn hot so I went to Rat Shack and bought a small lil heat sink and some heat compound. I epoxied the side of the heat sink to the processor socket and luckily it held nice and snug in all directions. Now I run at 400mHz w/ a K6-2 w/ a Lasagna. The CPU temp stays around 41 degrees C and the entire temp is at about 45 after about 2 days w/o turning it off. Its not getting any hotter so I guess that about does it for me. ON TO THE COMPACT FLASH!!!!!!


Only after we've lost everything can we really do anything.
08-10-2000 12:55:46

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) GuyMontag
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klotz,

It *should* be useable, but you will either have to add resistors across some pads or add switches like the v4 and v5 have on their MB. Going to take a bit of research and a lot of translation between what the v4/5 guys found and what you have.


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08-10-2000 13:43:56

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Ramster
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I was hoping someone could clear something up for me. I am not completely sure as to the correct setting I need to upgrade my cpu.

I have a V5 IO. I picked up the AMD-K6-III/333AFK cpu and set the sw4 to 2.2(1=on, and 2=off). Now is there any thing else I should change to my V5?

I have never nurtured down the path of motherboard alterations and not sure I wan to at this time, so I was hoping I could avoid all the pin removing and such. Sorry for the newbee question. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated!

08-12-2000 00:23:14

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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To Ramster: The info is on other threads, but basically, if you are willing to run at the basic 3x66 speed, you can just set the voltage to 2.0 or 2.2, drop in the K6-III and go.

To operate at 3.5x66 or 4x66, check the settings for R130, R327 and R328. For instance, for 4 x 66, R130 is removed (desoldered) and R327 and R328 are populated (soldered on) with zero-ohm resistors.

08-12-2000 19:43:32

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) justme
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Turbo and Linuxguru,

Maybe this should start out in a new thread... however I'd like to have some help if you can... I have followed the threads regarding the AMD K6 AFK/333 and had a friend pick up 5 which will be here Monday. This leads into my question, I have 5 V3 and V4 I-Openers.

Could someone post a picture of the V5 I/O and in particular detail how to convert a V4 and V3 to a V5 to enable running of the new processors. I'm likely going to order from DigiKey, if anyone has done this, part numbers would be appreciated.

At the same time, I'd like to modify the I-Openers to include a 2nd USB port, and a 2nd serial port (well at least on one or two of them). As I'm going to try to do 5 more or less in a row, it'd help to get information from others who have been successful.

Next to last, there has been several posts about problems with memory upgrades for some I-Openers. Has anyone looked into this and resolved any obvious problems? I'm posting here, as adding the cpu, a 2nd usb, serial port and more memory are more or less the "final" upgrades I hope to feel a need to make, but would like to do them all sort of in sequence (testing of course at each step). I'm also concerned that some answers may vary based on the totality of the mods, which is why I'm mentioning what's up. Also I believe many would find such upgrades reasonable with the CPU upgrade (that is while soldering something, may as well add a usb or serial port).

Finally, has anyone found a reputable sunon dealer for the flat 9mm sunon fans? To be found at http://www.sunon.com.tw/slimcpu.htm

Thanks

08-12-2000 20:20:15

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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V4 and V5 are both very simple to upgrade with the K6-III, since they both have switch SW4 for setting Vcore from 2.0 to 2.8v. Just set Vcore to 2.0 v, plug in the K6-III and go. If you want a larger multiplier than 3x, you have to play with R130, R327 and R328 (details in other threads).

V3 requires some soldering (details in other threads). Basically, you have to enable split-plane functionality (separate Vcc and Vcore) and you need to set up the voltage reference divider to give 2.0v as the reference.

For the split-plane, desolder R60 and R61 and install it at R184 and R185.

For the voltage reference, as suggested by Turbo3, use R342=25k and R343=100k for the required ratio. (R342 has a 10k that needs to be removed. Simply moving the 10k to R343 and adding a 2.5k at R342 will not work, since it loads the reference and drops it below 2.5v).

Then, set up the voltage-series feedback divider for the op-amp U16. This consists of R202 and R203. The details are in the other thread, but for Vcore=2.0v, just remove R202 and you're set.

Before firing it up, remove the CPU and plug in the AC adapter. Measure the voltage at the source of Q16 (this is also conveniently available at one of the pads of R60 and R61). It should be the Vcore you have chosen (say 2.0 v). If it is not in the range 1.9 to 2.1 v, do not plug in the CPU until you have rectified the error.

If Vcore is within spec, you are ready to install the CPU and go. If you want to alter the multiplier from the default 3x, the procedure is the same as that for V4/V5 (R130, R327 and R328).

I haven't looked at V1/V2 yet, but I expect that they will be similar to V3.

08-14-2000 01:41:27

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) osupernick
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can someone please review for v4/v5. (with the dip switches)but with a v1 bios.

does the amd k6III upgrade work without power supply problems?
how much faster than a rise266?
heat sink/ lasagna fan issues?
cheapest price found?

08-14-2000 08:27:14

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) justme
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Linuxguru,

Thanks, but now I'm even more confused than before... I assumed my earliest I-Opener (which was made on April 29) was a version 3 (it has Torx and a female voice, no hacked IDE pins). I further assumed my other units, made on 5/30 and 6/16 were V4's mostly due to dates, I opened the memory door and no SW 3 (there is a SW 4). Sigh... my problem is too darned many I-Openers and that I haven't been spending enough time playing with them.

Are there more than one type of version 4?

Thanks

08-14-2000 18:53:46

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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I believe there are early V4s without switch SW4, but with the Rise MP6 CPU. I haven't seen one yet, but it has been reported in other threads. Later V4s (including mine) have SW4. I'll call these V4B for clarity. V4Bs and V5 are trivial to upgrade with the K6-III.

Changes to make the early V4s support the K6-III/333 are similar to those for the V3, with the exception of the split-plane change, which is already implemented.

08-14-2000 19:10:41

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Pepsi
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I think there's more than 1 type of V4 as well, I got 2 IOs in May, about 1.5 week difference in receiving it, both with Rise MP6 cpu, no cut pins, nothing glued to the bios, and femail voice, but one has a SW4 switch and one doesn't. The one with no SW4 switch was from CUSA, and the one with SW4 switch was from CC.
08-14-2000 19:56:42

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) alvin
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I will second that . I have a V4 with out the sw4 switch and a rise processor. Would rather have a v5 and wait for the sound problem to be fixed than have to start screwing with the mother board to make the amd work. did a led mod and that wasn't to bad but messing with those small resistors takes some really steady hands and good vision..
08-15-2000 00:08:20

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) pete7000
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what are the settings for the SW3 and SW4 FOR
AMD K6 III 333?
08-16-2000 08:08:09

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) starfish
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Just wanted to Thank PEPSI for picking up some CPUs for Me. Took a Week to get to PA from OR & USPS Traking SuX, But PEPSI did a Great Job. Thanks Dude, * StarFish *
08-17-2000 12:22:54

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Sundog
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I'll second that. Pepsi got me a couple as well; they just arrived and I'm getting ready to sit down with a screwdriver. Thanks, Pepsi!
08-17-2000 16:44:49

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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The SW4 settings, courtesy of Linuxguru.
.....

As mentioned by Turbo3, Vcore (CPU core voltage) is set by SW4 on a V5. For reference, the settings are:
Pos
.2. .1. Vcore
--- --- -----
off off 2.0 V
off .on 2.2 V
.on off 2.6 V
.on .on 2.8 V

As always, the engineers at Quanta have shown an outstanding consistency in connecting the lsb to the low-order index of the switch position.

Using the the default FSB and PCI clock settings (66/33), the default multiplier (3x) and Vcore at 2.2v, the AMD-K6-III/333AFK (underclocked to 200 Mhz) is a drop-in upgrade that handily outperforms anything else for this socket. No fan required, either, so it's as quiet as the stock IO.

08-18-2000 00:45:28

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) pete7000
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I have 4 V4 all of them have the SW3 AND SW4
What is the SW3 for? and what are the settings?
08-18-2000 10:20:16

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Sundog
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Just a review of the K6-III AFK upgrade, for anyone who is considering it: I just set SW4 and dropped it in, mainly because I'm concerned about heat. The difference in performance is nothing less than AMAZING!
Before, running Media Player pretty much choked the system. I have a broadband hookup and the IO couldn't come close to doing a video feed better than a frame evey few seconds. Now, just by switching processors, I am able to watch any video feed in perfect sync and at a framerate none of my "other" machines can top.
In short, if you're thinking of doing this mod, I highly recommend it. I have a little 12v fan mounted on it running at 5V and am running Rain (essential!) and the processor stays in the 105 - 110 range. Without Rain it's about 10 degrees higher!
Does anyone know where the sensor that reports the "motherboard" temp is located?
08-19-2000 16:46:52

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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The motherboard sensor is RT1 and for a V4/V5 iopener is located near the lower right corner of the Socket 7 (near the "7" corner). It appears to really measure the temperature around the 2.5 volt mosfet Q17. The misnamed "CPU" temperature is from RT2 which monitors the temp of Q16 the mosfet that produces the vcore voltage.

There are no sensors that directly measure the CPU temperature no matter what anyone says. At some core voltage settings and CPU loads one of these sensors might report the same temp that the CPU is really at but that is just a coincidence.

It is more important to know the temps of the mosfets than the CPU. The CPU has a big heatsink or a fan. The mosfets have none.

08-19-2000 18:00:00

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) onone
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Turbo3 et all,

You state that "It is more important to know the temps of the mosfets than the CPU. The CPU has a big heatsink or a fan. The mosfets have none."

Given that, would it be a good idea to make a heat sink of say copper and attach it to Q16 with some thermal compound when modifying the V4 with a K6-III?

Being somewhat unfamiliar with the AMD K6-III architecture, is the clock multiplier "Locked" thereby only allowing the FSB to be changed or change you change both?

With the voltage, clock multiplier, and FSB modifications mentioned throughout this thread what is the highest stable CPU speed people have achieved (please specify settings) with either 66 or 100 MHz SODIMMs.

Thanks,
ONONE

09-03-2000 04:03:32

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) Tackhead
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onone: K6-III-333-AFK is not multiplier-locked. You're free to mix and match everything.

Highest speed is limited by current draw through R302 (fixable with a new resistor) and heat on MOSFET Q16.

I've run stably at 300 = 4.5x66 without any software CPU-cooling solution, though I did take the voltage down to 1.91VCore.

I'll probably back down a few notches speed-wise in the interests of cooling; my numbers are fine with the cover off, but with the cover and backshell in place, the stock heatsink with a small fan pointed at it runs at 58C, and the Q16 MOSFET runs at 80C. Too hot for the hard drive I originally had mounted in the sink.

Finally, Q16 likely runs hotter than the temperature recorded; the sensor is about half an inch away. The capacitor between Q16 and the sensor takes a real thermal beating.

But - and this is a big BUT - if you can efficiently move the heat outside the case, you can run a K6-3 at 300 MHz with the stock current-limiting resistor. I wouldn't be surprised to see numbers as high as 400 MHz with beefier supplies and a willingness to open up the back of the unit for thermal management.

09-03-2000 21:31:21

New MessageRE:V4 CPU Upgrades (modified 0 times) boykster
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Well, thanks to Turbo3, Tackhead, Las_Vegas, and others who contributed to these threads about the voltage issues for the K6-2/3 cpus.

I have an early v4 - gooed bios, rise mp6, no cut pins, security torx, and most importantly, no sw4 (I do have sw3). I read many of the posts about the v1/v2, v3, and v4/5 mods and used this section of Turbo3 summary to enable my K6-2+ 500 cpu to run at 200mhz (for now)...

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Set Reference voltage to 2.0 (not the vcore):
Install 25K resistor in R342
Install 102K resistor in R343
This is an 80% divider to drop the 2.5 ref down to 2.0

Allow vcore adjustment:
Install 10K resistor in R203 (can use 10K from R342 or R202)

Remove 10K from R202 and replace with:

nothing to give 2.0 core
100K to give 2.2 core
33K to give 2.6 core
25K to give 2.8 core

These changes should change your V3 core supply into a V4/V5 core supply
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Count me in as a confirmed 2.0 v core! thanks to all for your help.

Oh, and btw, I used leaded resistors (24k and 100k) on R342 and R343....otherwise followed the above instructions to a tee. I haven't tackled the R302 mod...(haven't ordered from Digikey for a while...will be in next order :)) But I'm going to try moving sw3 to sw1 and play with some multiplier settings....

Cheers,

boykster

09-06-2000 09:32:20

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