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Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up

New MessageBest audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) SomeHuman
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Ok, I've looked through all the audio-out mods on the board and need to make a decision now that I have my V4 (Yamaha) bios flashed, mounted the HD and have Windows ME running.

I'm looking for the best audio-out mod to hook this think up to my stereo for MP3 playback. I've pretty much ruled out tappng the speakers and would like to hear from others how they approached this. There seems to be several ways to get good sound off the motherboard but no concensus on which way is the best...

So please post your method and the results.

Thanks,
-= SomeHuman =-

09-15-2000 08:40:15

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) starfish
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This is Referred to as the ButtonPuncher Hack . I have Used it a Few Times. Very Nice.
Color Picture of Connection points in the Thread if Not in the Document file.

Thanks ButtonPuncher. GREAT JOB ! MP3s RULE !

RE:HEY Roastbeef!! Help me out! Great audio out...
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ButtonPuncher

Well, I'm back from testing and...

I tried a 100uF capacitor and I found that it blocks the DC bias and has an excellent frequency response from
20Hz to 20kHz. On the bad side, I found out that the Yamaha chip has to have a buffer placed on the output. If
you connect the Yamaha to your stereo through a capacitor directly, THE AUDIO WILL BE VERY BAD. This is
because your stereo will place too large of a load on the Yamaha chip.

To fix this you need to wire up an Op-amp from radio shack. The part only costs a two bucks and is VERY easy
to wire up.

For all of the details on my testing and for the wiring diagram please download the Word document from the link
below:

http://www.execpc.com/~theshoes/bentemp/i-opener%20audio.zip

This should give you CD quality audio out of the i-Opener. Oh yeah, the zip file is about 200k and all of the
readings were taken with my Fluke 89 IV multimeter. (the peak to peak readings were calculated)

Once I borrow a scope from work for the weekend, I will post any new findings and results.

Also, please tell me if the word document works out for you.

If you need to contact me directly, my e-mail address is buttonpuncher@yahoo.com

05-31-2000 10:20:44 P.M.

09-15-2000 09:56:00

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) ButtonPuncher
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Hi Everyone! I'm glad that this circuit is working out for you. I haven't posted here for a couple of months due to me moving. My original user information was also lost! That's why this is my "first" post.

Anyway, about the audio info... I created the Word documant using Word 97. I have received a few e-mails from people who couldn't see the embedded graphics. If you would like, I could upload the graphics and put a few links here.

Sooooo, does anyone want them, or is the .doc file working out?

I'm glad that I could help! (BTW, If you are a real audiophile, I could post the same circuit with an AD811. It has a 200MHz bandwidth(I think.))

;)


DAMN, I REALLY need a girlfriend.
09-15-2000 19:41:09

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) avcomp
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Hello Buttonpuncher, I would very much appreciate it if you could post the cicruit for the AD811 chip, I have a couple v5's and no audio out on them. If you could post it I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance
09-16-2000 01:03:47

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) ButtonPuncher
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avcomp,
I'm sorry but you're going to have to use the original circuit for now. I don't have any AD811's on hand and I can't properly design and test a circuit without one.

The TL082 is still a GREAT chip for an audio buffer. I'd be surprized if anyone could tell the difference between a Tl082 and an AD811. ;)

09-16-2000 21:13:27

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) St0rmCat
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I think avcomp was talking about the sound chip on the v5 (AD1881A).. just a confusion of part nums. I'm curious if this op-amp line-out hack would work with the v5 chip? Where would the solder points be to get the left and right audio channels? Pins 39 and 41 and L and R line out, but could there be an easier place to solder to besides directly to the AD1881A chip? Thanks for any help.
09-29-2000 00:27:18

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) Laptopras
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Hey, I have some input on the Line out mod...I installed my I-Opener in my car, and just tapped the speakers. It works just fine. Nothing gets too hot...only a slight humm when used witha "Casett Tape" adapter. It's very easy to do this. Just take a twin RCA cable and cut off the plugs on 1 end. Then solder un solder the speaker, and solder the RCA cable to the speaker leads.....This is VERY QUICK AND EASY. I was worried about the sound, but as far as I';m concerned it's just fine!

Rick...

10-02-2000 21:18:43

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) SomeHuman
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I have wired up ButtonPunchers line-out hack using a TL082 op-amp and 100uF caps.

It works... BUT HERE IS MY PROBLEM !!

It only sounds OK when I have the IO mixer volume turned WAY DOWN... And the stereo volume turned WAY UP. Not a good final solution for me as I know my kids will at some point switch to the turner and blow the speakers!!!

Any ideas from anyone on a solution... DO I REALLY NEED THE OP-AMP? How about smaller caps?

Thanks,

-= SomeHuman =-

10-08-2000 18:09:20

New MessageArgh!...big problem... (modified 0 times) Grima
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hey guys...I was just finishing this hack and inadvertantly got caught on one of the wires and pulled the left one off. With it came the pad. I scraped down to the trace and soldered to it, but in the process completely removed the resistor. Is the resistor still necessary? Do I need to replace it before powering up, and if so, what kind of resistor do i need to get to replace it?
11-04-2000 17:51:49

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) Tackhead
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Grmia: Which resistor? One of us can compare with our IO's to tell you what the proper value is.

All: The reason "some hacks" sound good/bad depending on your volume setting is because of impedance matching.

http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=verytech&Post=93&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

is a thread that describes my mixed results with several hacks. To summarize, I built *both* hacks because I wanted to be able to run both headphones and external speakers. Complicating things was the fact that one of my headphones had an inline volume control, which would affect impedance.

All: Grmia's not the only one - I screwed up and tore off a few components the first time I did the audio hack. To prevent this kind of damage, I offer a few suggestions:

1) Be *extremely* gentle with things while you're building it.

2) When testing, you may want to "glue" the wires to the edge of the PCB before plugging in your test. That way, any stress goes to the wire and the edge of the PCB, not to the place where you've soldered to a component or trace.

3) AFTER testing, consider any glue you put over a wire and a surface-mount device to be "permanent". If you try to remove the glue, you may end up removing the device with it.

4) If you have to disconnect a wire, no matter how "loosely" you tacked it on with your soldering iron, use a soldering iron to desolder it. Do *not* "wiggle the wire until the solder joint breaks". Ever. You can get away with this on through-hole mounted parts, but it's suicide on surface-mount. Take the extra 10 seconds to desolder it properly. ("No, I've never done this and gotten stung, why do you ask?"

11-06-2000 10:43:39

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) Grima
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Tackhead,
Thanks for the response. I plugged it in and booted it up, and the audio out works great. The only problem is that I get small blips, or hiccups in the audio, especially during the first couple seconds of the song, but continuing periodically throughout. Maybe 5-7 times total during a song. It is similiar to the slight pause you get when the processor is not fast enough to handle mp3's. I'm not sure if this is due to not having that resistor there, or if it is indeed the processor. Can anyone verify that the V3 can play mp3's with no errors?

the resistor that I accidentally removed is the one circled in this image. I learned to use most of your tips the hard way. Especially #2 - I recommend doing that to everyone who attempts this hack.

11-13-2000 15:42:56

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) Tackhead
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Grima: The little hiccups are probably MP3-decoding problems, nothing to do with your audio circuitry.

The decoding problems come because you've *probably* got your Device Mangler properties set to not use "only one IDE channel".

(That's a horrible description of the problem, but if you search around the old postings on the BBS, you'll find a walkthrough to set up your 'doze install to use only one IDE channel.)

As for the missing part, I'll post the value of the missing part either tonight or tomorrow, 'soon as I can get a pair of probes on it.

As for "tip #2", I can only say to take a look at the "OOPS" pictures on my audio-hack page...

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tackhead_1999?d&.flabel=fld13&.src=ph

11-14-2000 10:35:25

New MessageRE:Best audio-out mod for stereo hook-up (modified 0 times) Grima
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Thanks Tackhead, disabling the second IDE channel cleared up all of the audio problems.

Don't bother with the missing part, because it would just be needed to enable the internal speakers, and I don't think it's really necessary.

12-02-2000 08:11:03

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